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Do you tithe of your monthly increase or of your monthly gross? As Christians are we to tithe as Israel did?

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Pray for a revelation of God's Grace (unearned favor)
Acts 13:39 through him everyone who believes is Freed from All things from which you could Not be freed from by the law of Moses.
---David on 7/29/10

1 Corinthians 9:6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?

I understand what you are saying
But this is not a right that you can give up, it is a right that you can reserve.
menaing while paul choose to work, at any time he could choose not to work and live of the tithes and offerings.
---francis on 7/9/10

francis, //I think what he is saying here is that dispite hois choice to work, he syill reserves the right not to work.//

I Corin 9:15, But I have used none of these things, nor have I written these things that it should be done so to me, for it would be better for me to die than that anyone should make my boasting void.

That doesn't sound like Paul reserved his right.

If you want to take a position that Paul didn't but others should, ok, but be careful not to read something into a passage that isn't there. I understand that you have a system of theology and you'll believe it not matter what, but you miss out on some of the great things of God. Such as, learning to give up your "rights" for the sake of others.
---Rod4Him on 7/8/10

francis, do you agree that Paul, and people with him, gave up his "right?"
---Rod4Him on 7/8/10
I don't think they gave it up. because at anytime they could choose not to work. They choose to work, but not gave up the right not to work.
I think what he is saying here is that dispite hois choice to work, he syill reserves the right not to work.

1 Corinthians 9:6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
---francis on 7/8/10

francis, do you agree that Paul, and people with him, gave up his "right?"
---Rod4Him on 7/8/10

Yes, Paul says in that passage and others that he has a "right."
---Rod4Him on 7/5/10
Thank you
---francis on 7/7/10

francis, I'll start with the last comment first. There is nothing in the text about a "tithe," so that is an assumption. That is another topic by itself.

Yes, Paul says in that passage and others that he has a "right." However, as I mentioned before, he gave it up for the sake of the gospel. Perhaps the issue wouldn't be so nauseous if most people who feel they should have that right didn't demand it. In over 35 years I have heard of only one person "giving up that right."

Much of living a life in Christ is "giving up our rights." Why do "church" leaders demand this right when Christ demonstrated giving up rights?
---Rod4Him on 7/5/10

How can anyone be blessed, by beginning any project with a denial of what Christ has accomplished with his sacrifice.
---jhonny on 7/5/10

Would you agree that based on paul's comments in that text, and dispite his taking up a job, that he had the right not to take up a job, and to live off the tithe?

Corinthians 9:4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?

1 Corinthians 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and [as] the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

1 Corinthians 9:6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
Read more verses if you must

In order words, he gave up the right to forebear working, but he did have the right not to work, and live off the tithes right?
---francis on 7/4/10

God judges the thoughts and intents of the heart.If you give in the right spirit, you will be blessed accordingly, if you give will be judged accordingly... So, the ball is in your decide how or if you want to be blessed.
---Gayla on 7/4/10

I am the tithe.
---jhonny on 7/4/10

Tithing is OT Law and those who claim to be Christians and do tithing are following the Law and are Blaspheming against The Christ.

You give what the Holy Spirit tells you to give and to whom He tells you.

Funny how apostate churches, preachers and fools. Think its okay to go back to the Law when it comes to money in THEIR pockets. They will burn in Hell!!!
---John on 7/3/10

so what verse does it say how much should a pastor be paid?
---mike on 7/3/10

francis, your post would have fit better in the "Stirred up Money Tactics."

I know that you know there is more to the chapter, but you neglected to mention it in your post. Verse 12 goes on to say that Paul gave up his right for the furtherance of the gospel. In addition verse 15 goes on to say he did not make use of the right. Verse 18 also continues the thought of Paul not making use of the rights he is entitles to.

We have many "rights" in life, but we need to give some up. Christ gave up His "right" to life for us.

The concept is a basic principle of salvation. Do we give up our rights or demand our rights?
---Rod4Him on 7/3/10

First of all nothing God ever required was, could be or will be a SIN. Its not possible.

Secondly, these questions will never provide the answer intellectually the Holy Spirit will provide spiritually.

Be guided by the Holy Spirit.
---larry on 7/4/10

Tithing was never abolished in scripture. Jesus Himself said that tithing should NOT be left undone (Mat 23:23). But tithe is not "given," as it is not ours to give. It is rather "returned." We are to tithe on the "increase" (or profit) according to scripture, rather than the gross. Indeed, with combined taxes approaching 90% in the USA, tithing on the gross leaves nothing for the individual.

Offerings, on the other hand, are optional as we are pursuaded by the Holy Spirit.

Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
---jerry6593 on 7/3/10

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1Cor 9:4-8, No mention of tithing there francis.
Release yourself from your false doctrines that you read into scriptures instead of pulling true doctrine out of scripture.
---micha9344 on 7/3/10

\\Do people REALLY tithe today since OT tithes were always FOOD ONLY and NEVER money?\\

Not always.

In Deuteronomy there's a passage that says it's acceptable to take the money equivalent of your agricultural tithe and spend it on booze.
---Cluny on 7/3/10

I give what & when I can. I'm not a member of a church where I need to help out (yet) but give in other ways as well to God, & this is between myself & him. Once I actually decide I want to stay at the congregation I'm at, i will help out to whether it be money(tithing) ,food pantry, or other services.
---candice on 7/3/10

Pastors do not have to work, and have the right to live of the tithe.

Corinthians 9:4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?

1 Corinthians 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and [as] the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

1 Corinthians 9:6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?

1 Corinthians 9:7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?

1 Corinthians 9:8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
---francis on 7/3/10

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Tithing is not mandatory but voluntary. If you want to tithe, then do it! No one is stopping you! But don't put anyone else down, if they choose to be a cheerful giver, as the bible, also says. I believe in giving, cheerfully. God will bless that type giving. Not someone giving because they are forced to do so.
My pastor is young and able to work. Why should he, if I am working for him? I would love to receive 10% off, just 50 people, in the church. Wouldn't you? Tax free money and all of the food,clothes and everything else one can think of, for free!
---Robyn on 7/3/10

Tithing is sin.
---Eloy on 7/3/10

In Genesis 4:4 Able brought the firstlings of his flock(gross).Malachi 3:8-10 talks about man robbing God in tithes and offerings.Malachi also poses a challenge to give to God so that He might bless you.1 Corinthians 10:23 talks about the earth and the fulness of it belonging to God, surely we can give God 10% of what is His anyway.Also in one of the Epistles Paul thanks them for supporting him faithfully(now thats missions but both are vital in preaching the gospel).Would churches stay open without tithe?Would missionaries go to foreign lands to reach God's creation that we may never meet this side of heaven?What about tracts,flyers,vbc's,.......?So give 10% and watch God pour out the blessings of heaven.Taste and see Psalm 34:8
---somme8743 on 7/3/10

Tithe your increase
that would be gross
take away the cost of production, then tithe your increase
---francis on 7/2/10

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For those who say that the minister will live off tithes for doing nothing. What is it when members call them all times of the day and night, when they travel to the nursing homes and hospitals to visit the sick and elderly, conducting funeral and weddings, along with the responsibilities of a full-time job and family. Not to mention, the full time ministers who have no life or health insurance because they have given up their jobs to become full-time ministers to properly educate their congregation. The bible says be a cheerful giver not a giver who wants to know what their tithes are paying for. For those of you who are not satisfied with the teachings or your pastor, seek membership elswewhere.
---Gwen on 7/2/10

Tithing is used as a verb in Deu 26:12 . I stand corrected. As, I asked before, God save us for all from our ignorance.

Give generously and have faith in God.
---aka_joseph on 4/11/10

LOL, that would be awesome obewan, to truely tithe biblically and turn your coin into food items before you hand it over to the church(I know, it's not the temple or any Levite)..LOL... Some pastors would have a heart attack.
Deu 14:24a-27 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it, [or] if the place be too far from thee, ... Then shalt thou turn [it] into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, ... and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, And the Levite that [is] within thy gates, thou shalt not forsake him,...
---MIchael on 4/11/10

Tithing not abolished?
Your church must have an awesome barnyard and fruit cellar!!
---MIchael on 4/10/10

LOL The closest my current church comes to true biblical tithing is their collection of huge truckloads of food for Second Harvest Food Bank.

Sadly though, they un-biblically try to teach that the full 10% of cash income is required, and that it must go to support the church staff. (They have a huge staff with huge salaries.) They teach that any missions and charity giving must happen above and beyond the 10% "payment due".
---obewan on 4/11/10

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Tithing not abolished?
Your church must have an awesome barnyard and fruit cellar!!
---MIchael on 4/10/10


if your theory were true than why do majority churches report a drop in income during month of december and months that follow

and most churches if honest in their reporting would also state less than half of their congregation gives them anything ...majority attend each week use the free services yet contribute nothing in money because they were sold on idea tithing was abolished

tithing was never abolished but then again most in religious christianity believe all one has to do is say the name of a Christ on their lips and they are covered from their sins forever
---Rhonda on 4/10/10

Very wise aka Joseph.
Robyn is both funny and sad.
My church has an option for direct deposit but I heard a podcast where a minister was saying giving should be a conscious act and not something where we can sign and forget about it.
Its so much easier when you are just led by the spirit to give generously. The spirit will not lead you in ways that are not acceptable to the Father.
---larry on 4/10/10

According to Merriam-Webster, the word "tithe" may be EITHER a noun or a verb.
As a verb, it means to give a tenth (not more, not less)
---Donna66 on 4/10/10

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1. Tithe is a noun not verb.
"I gave one-tenth of my salary" as opposed to I one-tenth my salary.

2. There were three or four Jewish festivals that the Jewish people gave a tithe. As I understand it, annually, it adds up to about 30-40%.

3. Thank you, Lord, for covering our sin and ignorance.

4. Give generously as you can and Trust in the Lord.
---aka_joseph on 4/9/10

I don't think ministers really understand the tithe. What they do understand is: if everyone(in the church) gave 10% of their income, the pastor,his kids, family and everyone would live really well, off of it. So they keep pushing and preaching and lecturing the members about this. And using scriptures to scare the people,especially, Malachi ch 3,into giving the 10%. It almost ensures a steady income for the pastor and others. This makes the pastors and leaders more secure and won't have to work. They can simply live off the money the members give in the church. A nice little set-up for those who stand to benefit. A nice way to get rich for doing very little.
---Robyn on 4/10/10

Do people REALLY tithe today since OT tithes were always FOOD ONLY and NEVER money?

And, gross or net is not relevant since freewill "offerings" of MONEY are used today.

And, OT tithes were part of the social welfare system in their day since 1/3 of all tithes went to the poor. Today, we have social security and Medicare to take care of the poor since they church does not do it - but I realize our present gov't is not a theocracy.

So, give thanks for those so blessed as to be able to GIVE more than "exactly" 10% and forget about gross or net.
---obewan on 4/9/10

As Christians are we to tithe as Israel did?

Of course not
---michael_e on 4/9/10

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Don't tithe unless you know a Levite to relinquish your crop and cattle increase.
---MIchael on 4/9/10

Tithe increase
---francis on 4/9/10

Nomos and entoley
The nomos is traditional ritualistic laws these were nailed to the cross, Christians do not live by these laws.
Christians live by the Entolay or moral laws of God that he writes in their hearts.
These laws are based on the love of God but they are strengthened by the Holy Spirit.
God reqires 100 percent of your life he is pleased by faith not money. Christians give out of need. When they see a need by love they supply it. THe widows mite is what jesus revealed to us as true giving, Not giving what you do not have to give but whatever you have pleases God.
---exzucuh on 11/3/09

If you have one hundred dollars but you owe that money to someone, the scripture says you should pay them, that is their money. The righteous will repay his debt. You can only give what is yours out of your increase. To give God money that is owed to others is a sin, you are stealing to give to God. Give to Ceasar what is his and God what belongs to him. You belong to God, You, not your money. If you give God money that is not yours by faith expecting God to give you more you are tempting God. NO different than the devil trying to get Jesus to jump off the penacle, the devil used the word to justify his request.
---exzucuh on 11/3/09

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Bye-bye Jimbo. Sorry to see your adherence to a distortion of a mere man's words rather than those of Jesus.
---jerry6593 on 11/3/09

Jerry you proved my point about where you stand.

I guess you ignore the Decreed of the Apostle concerning Gentiles, as well as Galations and willfully uphold the Laws above The Christ.

Keep Kosher, get Circumsized, and remember to observe the remaining 611 laws, so you can be justified by your good deeds on Judgement Day.


---PASTOR_JIM on 11/2/09

Jimmy: It is apparent to me that you have some social interaction issues. I can only imagine the accusatory screaming rant that would constitute one of your sermons. Do you have a congregation? How many?

Jesus said:

Mat 5:17,18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

You say the law is destroyed. Jesus says it is not. I think I'll go with Jesus.
---jerry6593 on 11/2/09

Jerry, Please show me anywhere in the NT where he commands you to Tithe (10%) not to give, but to TITHE. If not then following the law is BLASPHEMOUS to God who sent his Son to fulfill the laws for us and was brutally tortured & killed on a Cross for you. All to set you free from sin. Yet you reject Him and return to the Law???

Again I will state so even the "blind in faith can read it

---Pastor_Jim on 11/1/09

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Malachi excerpts: You are presenting defiled food upon My altar. "But when you present the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? "And when you present the lame and sick, is it not evil? "and you bring what was taken by robbery, and what is lame or sick, Under the law only the finest animals were to be offered to God for sacrifice, tithes, and offerings. As you can see the entire robbery issue preached from the viewpoint of quantity to put guilt trips and condemn the brethren was really an issue of quality. They were titheing their lame, sick, blind, old, etc.. animals to God and keeping the finest for their own selfish gain.
---Bob on 11/1/09

Does gross or net include medical insurance as income?

It is not fair to ask the person who pays $850-$1100 a month out of pocket a month for medical insurance to tithe on gross when a person who gets free medical insurance does not do that!
---obewan on 11/1/09

Jim: Very few people, particularly those in ministerial occupations, would dare to call God's word blasphemy. As I recall, Jesus and all the disciples seemed to highly regard the Old Testament, even quoting from it frequently. Were they blasphemers too? But, I guess you know better than them.
---jerry6593 on 11/1/09

The Roman Catholic church prohibited asking for tithes for centuries. The Protestants, until the nineteenth century, also shunned the practice. In both cases, the custom was started in order to build an edifice. Christians give voluntary offerings and alms with joy *3. Acts 15:20, 29 do not mention tithing. However, Romans 14.
*1 Acts 13:39, Romans 3:20, 28, 8:1-17, Galatians 1:6-9, 2:16, 3:10-13.
*2 Job 36:15, Psalm 12:5, 72:4, Ecclesiastes 7:7, Ezekiel 22:7, 29.
*3 Romans 15:26, 1Corinthians 16:1-3, 2Corinthians 8, 9:5 (covetousness), 7 (necessity = obligation, commandment).
---Glenn on 10/31/09

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Preachers who try to place others under the curse of the law violate scripture *1. Tithes were salaries paid only in Israel by Israelites, on comestible crops, and clean domesticated animals (Leviticus 27:30-32). Tithes were not always accepted, Deuteronomy 23:18. Tithes were not paid on money owed, Matthew 5:23-24. A "Tithe" used for other than salaries, or exceeding the median salary, or excluding some workers, is a Malachi 3:9 curse, and was a form of theft. For the first few centuries, most giving was to the poor *2. Also, many church ministries, like many government ministries, are both extravagant and unaccountable to the common folk.
---Glenn on 10/31/09

Jerry, Thanks for quoting out of the OT, which is under the Law.

Again it is BLASPHEMOUS to tithe. (Giving the 10% law) (Read Galations) when you go back to the Law you deny the salvation of the cross and Jesus Christ is no loner valid for you. Read my post, it said
"Christians gave in the true sprit of The Christ".

We give according to what the Holy Spirit commands us. (1% to 100%+)
---Pastor_Jim on 10/31/09

The MAIN problem with the "tithing/giving" issue is that we are still thinking as the world, i.e. that the money is ours, and we don't want to let go of it. If we accept the truth that ALL that we have or are belongs to God anyway, then we won't have a problem with this issue. We might then encounter the problem of where to stop giving, but hey, what a novel idea! God will take care of our needs, when we let go of our physical wants.
---tommy3007 on 10/31/09

Mr. Jim: "This is blasphemous!"

Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

The Word of God is NOT blasphemous!
---jerry6593 on 10/31/09

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It always amazes me how when Churches who want your money, they tell you to Tithe.

This is blasphemous!

Why dont they tell you to keep Kosher and circumcise your sons? When it is convenience for these greedy Pharisees to grab your money, they do not hesitate to blasphemy The Christ. The 1st century church never tithed, (see Sermon of the Mount)for the laws are written on your heart and the orginal church gave all they had. Not the 10%. They never resorted to the deceptive Stewardship classes either They were honest and said we need money, clothes, food, shelter etc. Christians gave in the true sprit of The Christ. But Pharisees are called Hypocrites by Jesus. And they still exist today dont they?
---Pastor_JIm on 10/31/09

Paul was an authority on old covenant law. He never addressed the issue of tithing 10 percent in the new testament. He did say Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. I'm sure if the 10 percent tithe was to be part of the new covenant that Paul would have addressed the issue.
---Bob on 10/30/09

I Tithe from my Gross.
Matt. 22 v 21, about the coin, that which is Caesers, taxes - other. That which Is God's, Tithes & Offerings.
---Lawrence on 10/30/09

Although I believe in tithing,in the New Testament it is given from the heart,not as an ordinance. I would say pray and ask God to quicken to your heart the way you should tithe. Different situations call for different methods,if you work for wages,you tithe on what you get,if in business for yourself you tithe on the net not the gross because you don't make the gross, with all expenses to run the business coming out of it. NT,God loveth a cheerful giver.
---Darlene_1 on 8/2/07

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The N.T. says to render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's (government) and unto God what is God's (tithe). The government takes what belongs to it in your paycheck, now all you have to do is give to God what is His out of what is left on your paycheck (after government).
---Leslie on 2/11/07

After I cashed my husband's check, I right then take out 10% of that check for tithes. I know that is the OT law, but hey it works for me. A person should give with their heart. If someone is thinking, "I have to pay how much in tithes"? then they aren't giving with their heart and God won't honor that. No one can out give God.
---Rebecca_D on 2/11/07

A Christian Jew of the tribe of Levi said that if you tithe as in the old testament, you are under the law and have to keep all the law, including blood sacrifice, stoning people for adultry, etc.
This is not a popular view among ministers who pull the tithe law out and ignore the rest of the old testament law.
---Virginia on 2/8/07

Anyone that discourages giving, or charity, or piety is a False prophet.
---catherine on 2/8/07

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I believe that we are to give as God has blessed us. You can never out give God! For me personally, I stick to 10%, but this is an Old Test law. I think it's a good "guideline" to follow. The two most important things to remember are that everything is God's anyway, so I don't believe that the amount is set in stone, and that God cares about the heart attidude, not the amount!
---Sara_Bennage on 2/7/07

For 45 years I've been tithing on the gross. Thirty Three of those years was spent as a "faith" missionary. (Meaning living on just contributions, which we tithed.) Not once have we every out-given God. Not once have we ever been "sorry". Tithing is an investment with the greatest return. From experience, our vote would be to tithe on the gross income.
---wivv on 2/7/07

I do not understand why GOD would remind me one day and I QUOTE Him, "what about your tithes", and some people feels that don't have to. Man!
---CATHERINE on 2/5/07

At our house, we start with the 10% on our gross income and go from there. Whenever you see a need that needs to be met, you should meet it regardless of your tithes and offerings.
---Susie on 2/5/07

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No Christians do not have to tithe. Jesus abolished all of the Law on the Cross (Colossians 2:14, also Hebrews 10:9). What strikes me about tithing being preached is that is done by the so-called mighty men of faith in the Word of Faith camp. Surely, if they really did have enough faith they would just believe God to provide for them.
---Helen_5378 on 2/5/07

2/... Christians are to be cheerful givers, not of necessity. Giving out of necessity puts one under the Law, and therefore out of grace. Jesus came to set us free.
---Helen_5378 on 2/5/07

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