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Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. 1 Corinthians 7:14b What does "holy" mean in this context? What are the fundamental differences between a Christian Child and an atheist's child at birth?

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Nothing at all
---alanUKquent64534 on 12/23/07

Jack, Jack, Jack! Cut us some slack, slack, slack! That's mighty right of you, or is it? Please enlighten us lowly, wretched concordance users to the true meaning(s) of the word hagios . Thank you sir!


---Leon on 2/17/07

**That's the full definition from strong's...I do.**

The lexica in Strong's concordance are to serious Greek and Hebrew study what a first aid manual is to brain surgery.
---Jack on 2/16/07

From ἅγος hagos (an awful thing) compare G53, [H2282]; sacred (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated): - (most) holy (one, thing), saint.

That's the full definition from strong's...I do.
---Pharisee on 2/16/07

"I see nothing about 'consecrated' in this definition." Okay Ryan, fine! Maybe you'll see it soon if not later. Peace. :)
---Leon on 2/16/07

Leon, Lexicon Results for hagios (Strong's 40)
Greek for 40

Pronunciation Guide
hagios {hag'-ee-os}

Part of Speech
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) most holy thing, a saint

I see nothing about 'consecrated' in this definition.
---Ryan on 2/15/07

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
---Pharisee on 2/15/07

Pharisee: "Why...would God dissimulate concerning infants that die.[?]"

All I know is God is God (Omniscient: All-Knowing). He is Holy (Righteous, Just). His ways are higher than our ways & far exceeds our finite understanding. Though we strive to know, some things will remain beyond our comprehension until we're at home with the Lord.
---Leon on 2/15/07

If I was born holy how did I grow up a sinner? How can that which is holy become unholy?

Let's count the ways, I was a thief, an adulterer, a killer, a liar, a blasphemer, a glutton, and a wine bibber. (love that phrase!) I could go on all day.

The point is it took 30 years for that which was called holy to become hagios. I speak according to the understanding of life as it has been shown in relation to scripture.

Your cut and paste logic has not matured, read Nana's answer again.
---Pharisee on 2/15/07

Ryan: Sorry you feel that way. My copy of Strong's Concordance (Greek Dictionary of the NT) translates hagios to mean " consecrated ".

"Paul...was describing nouns...not speaking of actions....".

- An adjective may indicate quality or quantity, or may identify or set limits.
- A noun names a person, place, or thing, a quality , idea, or action.

I'm really not sure what your beef is about. :)
---Leon on 2/15/07

Though the word Hagios is used and saint is it's most common transliteration the word does not concretely mean "saint."

How can one be a saint who has not overcome evil with good by the blood of the lamb??? How can one be saved unless he has confessed Christ and repented of his sin?

The word Hagios is also be used to describe something sacred or ceremonially consecrated or "clean".

It is as I said, the child is born with a promise.
---Pharisee on 2/15/07

#1 Leon, what you have done is absurd. You cannot take a word and change its part of speach. Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, used the words holy -hagios- and unclean -akathartos- both of these words are adjectives. When you say it means 'consecrated' you are ignoring basic fundamental rules of language. Paul used these adjectives because he was describing nouns, he was not speaking of any actions that take place.
---Ryan on 2/14/07

#2 Leon, If Paul, a very educated man, was prompted to explain an action that had taken place he would have used a verb like -teleioo-. Leon, you cannot ignore the rules of languages and turn adjectives into verbs.
---Ryan on 2/14/07

Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call."
---lorra8574 on 2/13/07

Leon Is dead on.

The promise that the child is born with is Holy, the child however is no different than any other.

Leading to my point, why then would God dissimulate concerning infants that die.

My Mother was a Christian when I was born and not my Father, all four children went on to be Christians. I can speak for myself and say that the Father had to DRAG me to Jesus, God is faithful, and his promise is Holy.
---Pharisee on 2/13/07

Leon, **1. "Holy" in this context means they are consecrated ( dedicated , given over to, set aside for a high purpose) to God.**

The word 'holy' in this verse is the Greek word -hagios- and it means the most holy thing, a saint. It does not change its definition within the context of the scripture. The etymology of the word 'hagios' is well established to say it deviates from its origins is being intellectualy dishonest.
---Ryan on 2/13/07

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1. "Holy" in this context means they are consecrated ( dedicated , given over to, set aside for a high purpose) to God .

2. There's "no difference" since children aren't born Christian or Atheist. All children are natural born sinners !
---Leon on 2/13/07

The basic truth of the matter is the scriptures say that a married couple with at least one spouse being a beliver will qualify the marriage as sanctified, in the eyes of God. The marriage that does not have either spouse as a believer is not sanctified, in the eyes of God. Sanctified marriages produce holy children; children born to nan-sanctified marriages are unclean. Those are the fundamental differences.
---Ryan on 2/13/07

I do not get the point about Man being born a sinner and
corrupted. Romans 9:11: "(For the children being not yet born,
neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God
according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that
---Nana on 2/13/07

It is stated in that verse that the gestating child is
neutral.How about 1 Corinthians 7:14: "For the unbelieving
husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is
sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean;
but now are they holy."
---Nana on 2/13/07

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Holy child on account of what? On account that the believer
acts as an officer of God to offer the child before God. Now,
neither the child, nor the unbelieving spouse get branded on
the forehead with holiness and Salvation, but rather that they
are in the presence of the hope and faith of the one believer
and that is bound to yield good fruit.
---Nana on 2/13/07

well the only difference Iam aware of might be gender,if one were a boy and the other a girl.the passage you state has to do more with the relationship between a husband and wife,one being a believer and the other not.but the one that not living with and and allowing them to show by example their faith.
---tom2 on 2/12/07

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