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Vows Of Apostolic Poverty

Many Roman Catholic priests, such as the Franciscans, take vows of apostolic poverty. They are now allowed to receive salaries. Are they, therefore, less open to corruption, and more likely to preach the truth, than ministers from other denominations who receive salaries?

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 ---Ed on 2/23/07
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All people are tempted, no matter what state they are in. Jesus said that we will be tempted. It is not a sin to be tempted, even Jesus was tempted, but it is a sin to give in to temptation.
---Larry on 1/21/08

Don't get me wrong. I am as guilty of loving money, at times, than the next man. And I don't think that money itself is bad, or owning it is bad.
My point is that some people go on about Catholics being guilty of idolism when in fact we are all equally open to the worst and most powerful idolism of all: the love of money. The Catholic Church condemns any form of idolism as much as any other Christian Church.
---Ed on 2/27/07

Ed, you said that the poorest countries in the world are being turned to Christ. That's true, but how did they hear? Through preachers. How did the preachers get there? With money. I am not a wealthy person money wise. I agree that spiritual blessings are more important. But even Paul took donations for the believers in Jerusalem. How could he get donations if no one had the means to give. Wealth is to be used to further the Gospel. God blesses us so we can be a blessing to others.
---Betty on 2/27/07

I agree 100% with Helen
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/26/07


I thought you were saying: Jesus chose poverty to make us wealthier, materially. O.k. I agree with you.
---Ed on 2/26/07

Ed - ("Jesus became poor so that we could be rich" - where does it say that in the Bible?") -- 2 Corinthians 8:9 says "..that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich". This verse is used by the prosperity preachers to mean riches as in money. Not so. The riches here are spiritual riches.
---Helen_5378 on 2/26/07

I agree it is the love of money that is the root of all evil.
'Jesus became poor so that we could be rich' - where does it say that in the Bible. To me that is a gross perversion of the truth.
"How can we spread the word" - over 100 years ago most Germans attended church, now only 5% of Germans attend church. Many other countries in the first world are now similar to Germany. Meanwhile it is in the poorest countries that Christianity is growing rapidly.
---Ed on 2/26/07


Jesus tells his apostles: "take nothing for the journey, no bread, no bag, no moeny."
Another time He says "worry not for what you need."

"Go sell all you have, give to the poor, and you will have treasures in heaven."

Jesus doesn't say: be miserable. He just tells the apostles to go, unprovided for like children, through the world (and that God will meet all their needs: to trust God, and not thier own inidividual effort).
---Ed on 2/26/07

Don't get me wrong. I am guilty of love of money (sometimes). And feel bad about it. But i think and know, from personal experience, it is easily the most powerful idol there is "the love of money is the root of all evil" and it is something that all Christians have to face up to - both Catholic and Protestant (Germany is a rich country: only 5% of people there now attend Church).
---Ed on 2/26/07

Lastly i have already referred to Jesus teachings on wealth.
Also don't forget Old Testament too, where Moses turned his back on the wealth, prestiege and power of Egypt, and lived in the wilderness where things were hard (and this led to the Golden Calf idolatory incident).
And don't forget Job who suffered poverty, destitution, physical sores, public rejection, and so on - but it says very clearly that God loved him very much.

God Bless.
---Ed on 2/26/07

Religious people have been led astray to thinking that living a life of poverty will make them holy or some such thing. It won't. Only God can make a person holy through the Cross of Christ and Jesus' finished work there for sin.
---Helen_5378 on 2/25/07

Ed... Please read the Word. 1Tim. 6:10 the love of money is the root of all sorts of evil. Not money. Jesus became poor so we could be rich. He is not against wealth. He is against what evil people to do achieve and keep it. How can we spread the Word if we do not have the money to do it? In this world it takes money to do things, even spead the Gospel.
---Betty on 2/25/07

Helen"Poverty is a curse Not a blessing":Careful Helen you are exposing the IDOL in your life?
---Emcee on 2/25/07

Ed - ("Money is the root of all evil") -- No Ed that is wrong. 1 Timothy 6:10 says "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil..". There is nothing wrong with money whatsoever. It depends on what it is used for. If it is for the glory of God and does not control a person it is alright. It is the love of money that leads people astray.
---Helen_5378 on 2/25/07

Ed - ("Jesus asked His apostles to live in poverty") -- What! Just where is that in Scripture? The apostles always had somewhere to live and plenty of food.
---Helen_5378 on 2/25/07

Ed - Poverty truly is a curse. Especially when people have absolutely no food whatsoever to eat. People who are dying because they have nothing to eat are not better off. Get real. I've been there on the poverty trail myself, and it is not pleasant.
---Helen_5378 on 2/25/07

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It's the other way around.

Remember the rich young man who turned his back on Jesus.
Remember Job who suffered dire poverty and yet was still loved by God.
"Money is the root of all evil."
John the Baptist lived in the desert and ate locusts.
Jesus asked his apostles to live in poverty.
---Ed on 2/25/07


Don't forget that Jesus was born in a stable.
Moses turned his back on the wealth, power and prestiege of Egypt. And lived in the wilderness where things got so bad that many in his community turned to The Golden Calf, and Moses denounced them for doing so.

Not saying that owning money, itself, is wrong but that certainly poverty is not a curse. Went travelling through Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, recently, they are much happier, in my view than Europeans and Americans.
---Ed on 2/25/07

Poverty is a curse, not a blessing.
---Helen_5378 on 2/24/07

It should be "they are not allowed to receive salaries" not "they are now allowed to receive salaries."
---Ed on 2/24/07

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