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Degree Needed To Preach

Where is it in the bible does it state that you have to have a degree to preach the word of God?

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Nowhere. Avoid 2 extremes: (1)must have degree to preach (2)school training drives away the Holy Spirit. God can use you either way. The key is, what is he calling you to do, and are you equipped?
---Tom on 12/1/07

Some Bible translation work says, "Study to show yourself approved", in 2 Timothy 2:15. But the word, "study" (Strong's Greek dictionary, 4704), here can mean make an effort, be earnest, to endeavour. So, this scripture is not necessarily a call to books, but "could" mean to make sure with God. He teaches better than any of us can...including deeper than words and knowledge.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/25/07

"The words of the wise are like goads, and the words of scholars are like well-driven nails, given by one Shepherd." (Ecclesiastes 12:11)

Words of a "wise" person are effective and beneficial. Studying and knowing is not enough. You need to be "wise". And the "scholars" whose words are "like well-driven nails" have gotten their words from our Shepherd...not just from book study with one's own understanding or fad denominational beliefs.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/25/07

"And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh." (Ecclesiastes 12:12)

So, I would say the way to study God's word will not be wearisome, but "you will find rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:29) while you learn from Jesus > "learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart" (same verse). And it is free > "Freely you have received, freely give." (in Matthew 10:8)
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/25/07

This need(man created need) is one of the reasons that the churches have fallen into apostasy. Many churches made this as a requirement. Many degree preachers are very proper, upright and great learned people, yet the Jimmy Swaggart's of this world are much more beneficial to the kingdom of God. The true statement, the blind leading the blind applies to most graduates of the seminary.
---Mima on 11/25/07

It doesn't say anywhere that you need a degree to preach but it does say that a novice should not be a leader in the Church and that leaders should have some qualifications and be recomended by other leaders. Any one can preach but not any one can be a preacher, just like anyone can hammer a nail but not every one is a carpenter.
---john on 11/25/07

Listen to me very carefully!No man has the right to tell you that you have to have a degree to preach. However it is very dangerous to step into the pulpit without knowing the word of God. You could mistakenly mislead someone.If you feel God is calling you into ministry then do not waste time about it. Obey his word. Make sure you have a good sound doctrine and let the spirit flow out into the gutters of the earth. Praise God! Many are called but few are chosen.
---monti on 11/25/07

there is no such thing as a degree to preach..the apostles never had any degree etc..what you need is to get to know the Word of God..thats where you get your teaching from to become a preacher..stay close to God and you will become the best preacher...good luck
---jana on 11/25/07

I know of some churches whom will only let a degreed licensed Preacher come in and preach at their church. They believe if a Preacher doesn't have a biblical college degree their not qualified at all to preach anywhere. And that is so sad. I'm not saying it is wrong for a person to better educate themselves in the word and have a biblical degree. But it is wrong to only let those kind of preachers to preach in their church and kick the ones without a degree to the curb.
---BJ on 11/24/07

Study to shew thyself approved "unto God"
The spirit of man seeks the things of man.
The Spirit of God reveals the things of God.
Study to show God that you are diligent, but allow the Spirit of God to rightly divide the word of truth.
Man's degree means nothing.
God's approval and anointing means everything.
---Frank on 11/24/07

Man cannot put a degree on that which the half has not been told. A carnal mind and school has no busines tampering with the spiritual things of God. The spirit of man seeks and reveals the things of man and the Spirit of God reveals the things of God. Schools such as seminaries do more harm than good and allow those who attend and graduate think they have the Spirit and God's blessing in that which he won't bless.
---Frank on 11/24/07

It doesn't. The Deciples WALKED with Jesus and were told not to go out into the world to preach until the holy Spirit had come upon them. When it did,they went to the uttermost parts of the earth to preach, takeing nothing with them. The Spirit provided. I don't remember a Degree being mentioned. A degree shows that you have been taught in a specific denomination. So the church will know that you were taught the same way as they were. There's no room left in the church for Preaching the Deciples way!
---George on 11/23/07

RitaH you are absolutely right..some would continue to do this when they hate or dislike a denomination n their teachings and re introduce the same subject with the intent to discredit..there are some on this forum as such...hypocrites they are called.pharisees of old..
---jana on 11/22/07

Rebecca, these old posts keep re-appearing and I agree that it can cause problems. I really wish that it would stop as they are giving new dates to posts of deceased people. This is very upsetting and should not happen. Also, the posts don't always make sense when printed totally out of sequence. Have you noticed that it often happens when no-one has commented for some time so I guess it is to restart a debate that has been forgotten?
---RitaH on 11/21/07

Rebecca, I've had this happen too and I've come to the conclusion that periodically old blogs are reposted with the most recent posting, (in this case 1 by you) being given a new current date. This may be done by the moderators.....
---Christina on 11/21/07

Ac 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled, and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
I know men that have never had any formal bible training. A lot of them have never been to college, but they can preach! They have more understanding that most D.D.s.
Do you want to know if a man is called of God to preach? He preaches with demonstration of the Spirit and with power (1Cor 2:4).
---trey on 11/21/07

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One can have degrees until they're blue in the face, but if one hasn't been "called" into the ministry, it won't work. Everyone will be miserable including the pastor, his wife, and his congregation. So, NO, you don't have to have a DDD to preach the Word of God!
---Carolyn on 11/20/07

I didn't write this reply today on 11/20/07. I wrote this reply a good while back. So why is it coming up stating that I said this again just on a different date? I do not wish to stir up any strife with anyone.
---Rebecca_D on 11/20/07

Madison; you keep on saying, they have studyed themselves approved. Who are they approved by? Man or God? When was the last time you seen the anointing of God come upon your Pastor and the Holy Ghost spoke through him? I don't mean speaking in tongues. What if an angel came in human form (and no one knew) and wanted to preach, would they ask what crudentals he has first? Or would they turn him away? There is an old song by Johnny Paycheck, Jesus this is Jimmy, it reminds me so much of your church.
---Rebecca_D on 11/20/07

I do not condemn anyone whom wants to further their education about the bible. I just don't think it is right for a man or woman to preach if their not called by God. Romans 10:14-15. AMEN Matthew.
---Rebecca_D on 4/5/07

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All the degrees in the world means nothing if you haven't yet been schooled by the Holy Spirit.
---Matthew on 4/5/07

I am not condemning degree's at all. It is better to have someone with knowledge of how to interpret Scripture correctly. What my comment meant was that sometimes even the one's with degree's fail dependent upon what his motives are. Our church was without a pastor for about a year, and many substitudes did a great job. We now have a pastor who teaches from the confessions of faith of the church.
---frank on 4/5/07

Those condemning degrees for pastors fail to understand and appreciate the results of study in the original Bible languages, Greek and Hebrew.

Since they are taught in graduate school, the congregations calling their pastors from seminaries want to have want to have someone thoroughly grounded in facts, not whimsey.

That takes study. The discipline of study helps congregations to keep off the crazy bandwagons of flashy TV preachers.
---Observer on 4/4/07

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---Doggie on 4/3/07

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... I am not ashame to say what I have learned, that I don't have to change my name to deceive anyone to attack them.
---lisa on 2/5/07
---Context on 4/3/07

JohnT: What wakes me up in the morning is my cats. They cuddle up against me and start purring, and being too cute to ignore. Your Puerto Rican coffee sounds yummy, but I can't have coffee for a while. My ulcer is bothering me too much these days.
---Madison1101 on 4/2/07

.I was wondering what wakes all of you up in the mornings.

On the good days, it is Puerto Rican coffee, on bad days, it is agua peringa

To you gringos, it is a Puerto Rican idiom for American style coffee. It means dishwater. LOL
---John_T on 4/2/07

Elder ... You will see thwe same thing ghas happened to Helen ... and that is after someone was falsely posting in her name.
---alan_of_UK on 4/2/07

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Elder: When my church posts an opening for pastor, they send information out to accredited colleges and seminaries to do a search. They would not consider a "fly by night" school. Having a Bible college in our town, we know many of the professors and employees, as they attend our churches. One time, one of the professors from the college served as our interim pastor as we did our search for a pastor. My own sister-in-law works at the Bible college here.
---Madison1101 on 4/2/07

"Credentials". lisas, we know you are not frank. When you resort back to the book, your grammar and spelling will be perfect.
We can understand you without all the copying. Why don't you stop it? Your copying is a big part of the problem on these blogs. Without honesty about your sources, there is little trust for what you are copying. No credibility, it's not honest. You are not being honest with us or yourself.
---Tim on 4/2/07

lisas, what you said about the "Credenials" is so oppositional to your entire foundation for blogging.
You use the material from those with credentials as your own. Without that copied written material from those with credentials, your blogs wouldn't have looked nearly as authentic and impressive.
For an entire year, we have had to put up with this facade.
It's a huge part of the problems and anger that comes your way.
---Tim on 4/2/07

Nowhere, but everything today is 'measured" in degrees. Whether someone is correctly teaching the Word, a preacher, I would say it is a great responsibilty. We might think that someone can be a false preacher and get away with it, but people like that will have to stand in front of Jesus one day, and explain!
---Junia on 4/2/07

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OK. I have hacked up many hairballs over the name games. You can't chase two rabbits at one time, you'll lose both.

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---Catfood on 4/2/07

STEP 2: Realize that you should not feed your cat dog food. Cats require five times more protein than dogs do, so dog food will not meet cats' nutritional needs. Avoid feeding your cat a vegetarian diet for the same reason.
STEP 3: Limit the use of tuna because of the risks associated with the mercury levels in it.
---Catfood on 4/2/07

STEP 4: Feed liver in moderation and not at all if you're giving your cat vitamin A supplements. Overdoses of vitamin A can be toxic.
STEP 5: Know that many cat food recipes are available on the Internet and in books.
STEP 6: Look for recipes that are high in protein content.
---Catfood on 4/2/07

STEP 7: Include some small amounts of vegetables in your cat's food. An example of a healthful cat food recipe is cooking together a mixture of 1 lb. ground turkey, 2 tbsp. tomato paste, 1/2 tsp. garlic powder and 2 tsp. brewer's yeast.
---Catfood on 4/2/07

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STEP 9: Add flavorings such as garlic salt and kelp powder to the food you cook for your cat. Small amounts of dairy products are acceptable, but cats should not drink a lot of milk. Use lactose-free milk instead.
---Catfood on 4/2/07

10: Combine some dry, commercial cat food with meat, eggs, lactose-free milk and flavorings to get your cat used to eating homemade cat food. (Of course, you'll have to find a safe dry food)
---Catfood on 4/2/07

Madison I understand, somewhat, what you are saying.
Remember, dear one, there are sites on the net and in magazines where degrees are sold in which ever profession someone desires.
I know of a "pastor" in my area who started a school just to make money. He gave himself a Doctors Degree.
I know of another church who selected a doctor degree only pastor who knows less than one in his church that graduated with a diploma from a Bible Institute.
A degree can be confusing and misguiding.
---Elder on 4/2/07

I was wondering what wakes all of you up in the mornings. All I see is madness. Little about the word of God and everything else so personal. I know this question is a little touchy, but why does every question have to become the flame to disaster?

Alan, you are so right, Christian answers should never divide any Christians. Credenials no credenials, degree's or no degree's is the question. And many with degree's are out for their own glory and even they teach wrong.
---frank on 4/2/07

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AlanofUK - Thank you Alan and I am just so glad that you can see what is happening here. Not only that, but I can no longer log on --- it says "No longer a member or invalid". This happened just tonight. I was able to log on this afternoon. Could you please try my PenPal name and number (Helen 5378) and see what comes up for me? Thanks.
---Helen_5378 on 4/2/07

Moderator - I cannot log on suddenly tonight. I could log on this afternoon, but not now. It says "Invalid User Name". What happened?
---Helen_5378 on 4/2/07

Madison ... I know that, altjhough someone has posted in Herlen's namer.

I think though that someone has been posting in other names, pretending to be you, to try to make it seem that you have been posting under false additional names.

It's happened before. Other people have written in strnage names, giving exaggerated support for my views, and in my style, and thus I have been accused of multiple blogging.
---alan_of_UK on 4/2/07

Madison: Like God, we just require them to be called, and have an understanding on his word. I can spiritualy judge the decisions you and your church makes. The men that has interviews is this how it goes. Do you have any degrees in bible? Well no, but I'm called by God, isn't that good enough? No, we're sorry we only require men whom have degrees, cause that proves their not lazy, and they know God's word, you might want to check the next county. If so, I don't want to be in your guys shoes.
---Rebecca_D on 4/2/07

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Alan: Nobody has posted here using my name. I take responsibility for all of the posts in my name on this blog.
---Madison1101 on 4/2/07

Rebecca: I answered these questions already. We choose to require a degree for our pastors because that proves that they have studied the Bible in depth and were taught the Bible by men who studied it in depth. We pray for Spiritual discernment during the candidacy process and trust the Lord leads us to His called one. I won't walk out on a man without a degree, I just won't intentionally attend a church without a degreed pastor.
---Madison1101 on 4/2/07

Rebecca2:A Bible degree requires study in Greek and Hebrew, and I believe it is laziness not to study these languages and the other courses required of a degree. My pastor is anointed every Sunday.
---Madison1101 on 4/2/07

Madison; Questions=why does your church call upon men with only degrees and turn away the ones that doesn't? How do you know the men whom have degrees in your church are called by God to preach? Why won't you listen to a man preach without any type of degree? Why do you think a preacher is lazy if he doesn't have any degrees? When was the last time the Holy Ghost anointing was on your Preacher? (I'm not talking about speaking in tongues)
---Rebecca_D on 4/1/07

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Helen & Madison ... Please step back from your battle.
It is clear tyhere have been others here who have been writing inn Helen's name, and some who have posted pretending to be Madison using a false name.
Neither of you is to blame for these troublemaking posts.
Someone else is trying to stir up trouble between you. Don't let them.
---alan_of_UK on 4/2/07

Catfood: Homemade cat food sounds yummy. Can you give me some recipes? My owner buys Friskies, and my favorite flavor is the beef and liver combination. Mmmm. Is it good?
---Cat on 4/1/07

Helen: I can ask you the same thing. Your posts to me on issues like therapy, alcoholism, education and any other issue are always condemnatory.

1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:1-2
---Madison1101 on 4/1/07

I'm not tainted, friend. May I suggest homemade food for a while until it's over. I really don't think it was an accident, and may be a trial run. I believe we had better pray for our food supply.
---Catfood on 4/1/07

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Rebecca: I have answered many of your questions. Which ones have I missed?

You have no right to judge my church's decisions. Yet, you have done so on many occassions, how we don't have evening church, or mid-week prayer meetings, and now how we choose our pastors.

My church chooses men called by God who have degrees. That should be enough to get you off my back on this subject.
---Madison1101 on 4/1/07

Madison1101 - ("Helen: I can assure you that I have posted all of the blogs on this thread so far. I always use my home e-mail address and the mods can verify that if necessary.") -- If that is so Madison, then how come you are talking differently than you usually do. And why the intense hatred toward me? Something is not right. As I have already posted to you twice the post below was NOT from me. (continued...)
---Helen_5378 on 4/1/07

Helen: I can assure you that I have posted all of the blogs on this thread so far. I always use my home e-mail address and the mods can verify that if necessary.

Why are you so paranoid?
---Madison1101 on 3/31/07

Madison; I am saying a man whom isn't called by God to preach shouldn't preach. If God calls a man to preach and he decided to go to college to get a further education, that is fine, as long as he is called by God and not man. I find fault in your church because they only call upon a man to preach IF he has a degree. If he doesn't have a degree they aren't worth their time. I am judging your church's decisions spiritualy. And you still won't answer any of my questions. Why, I answered all of yours.
---Rebecca_D on 3/31/07

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In the first place everyone of us can be accused by God of being judgemental. I mean everyone of us. If God has not corrected you, you are blessed. And I don't mean exactly on here. But anyways, there is nothing wrong with further education if God is leading you in that direction.
---catherine on 3/31/07

Bruce: Well apparently this man whom preached in your church wasn't called by God. There are times my Pastor would be studying all week or all day for his sermon for on church night. Many of times he'd get behind the pulpit and God will change his message. He is lead by the Holy Ghost, not because his message is changed but because my spirit bares with his spirit.
---Rebecca_D on 3/31/07

Rebecca: Are you saying that only the called by God don't go to college? Men called by God can and do go to Bible college and seek formal education in the Bible ministries. To think otherwise is pure ignorance. Some men, like those your church chooses to have in the pulpit, don't go to college. Neither is better or wrong. My church chooses men with degrees, yours doesn't.

Why do you always find fault with my church? You are very critical, and judgemental.
---Madison1101 on 3/31/07

Catfood and Dogfood: I hope you are not the tainted food that has been recalled and implicated in the deaths of the cats in the US.

My cats like Friskies canned cat food, and Iams Dry.

BTW: You are right on with what you have said to Helen. Amen.
---Madison1101 on 3/31/07

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Carla5754 - I agree with you it is not right. It appears now that somebody might be using Madison's name too to post. It should be exposed.
---Helen_5378 on 3/31/07

We voted in a man who had a tremendous preaching/teaching ministry. Unfortunatly, he was ignorant in how to deal with people. He ended up wreaking havoc in the church, left a wake of destruction and went on to do the very same in the next chruch he went to.
---BRUCE5656 on 3/31/07

Helen: It appears you are paranoid now.
---Madison1101 on 3/31/07

So, whats wrong with the idea that if God calls you, just go get a formal education. In the mean-time witness to people on your own.
---sue on 3/31/07

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Get over it, Helen. My name has been used so many times. I would change it, and they would take that one, too.
Let it go, Louie. If you're going to post at point blank range, as you do, you can expect it. You don't measure any of your words, and that is your decision. But with that, you can expect some negative feedback.
---Dogfood on 3/31/07

Helen, I used to come to your aid when you were attacked, but after you attacked me, I figured every man/woman for themselves.

Words can be used like a weapon with blunt, force trauma. You have hurt and offended others. You say you're loving them out of hell. I say, Jesus loved the pharisees and the religious ones. When He said Woe, it wasn't always meant to be brutal. He meant Woe, His heart was breaking for the lost.
---Catfood on 3/31/07

Helen, you're human like everyone else here.
Every one of us are flawed. I used to uphold the "highest votes" as the most helpful. I threw that out the window, long ago. Some with the most votes are the ones that operate at point blank range and dish out the most blunt, force trauma.
Make nice with all those you've hurt with your words. I care about you, and your hardships. I would probably run to the parking lot if I saw you at the food store.
---Birdseed on 3/31/07

Jesus made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

When it happened to me, Helen, I didn't scream for an immediate investigation into the matter.
---Oatmeal on 3/31/07

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The bigger deal you make out of it, the bigger deal it will become.
I was going to leave, then I said to myself, "oh no, enemy is not going to win that easily."

So go on, make the best of it. I know what works for me. It may get better one day, and I won't have to be a bag of catfood, but until then, big deal.
---Oatmeal on 3/31/07

Helen, do you have a news channel?
I have family in Oklahoma City battling tornadoes. It's been really rough. Did you see any of the elderly on TV without homes and those that have lost family members?
Have you watched the latest victims of car bombings over in Iraq. Horrible.
The fact that someone borrowed your name doesn't move me too much.
We have bigger things we need to be on our knees praying for.
---Hankies on 3/31/07

Madison; The people are interviewed by the church members to see if their called by God or not. but if the preachers doesn't have any type of degree, you turn him away? At my church, if we hear another preacher and like how he preaches the word, we invite him and his family to come and preach. You won't know if their called by God to preach until you hear him preach. We have had men to come and preach for us that have degrees, but didn't understand God's word from a hole in the ground.
---Rebecca_D on 3/31/07

Madison; Why does your church turn people away that doesn't have any degrees? Since you haven't answered any of my questions previously. I am led to believe that you and the people in your church aren't Holy Ghost filled. Because if your church turns people away that doesn't have a degree, then your not giving the ones that are called by God a chance. God doesn't care about degrees, what he cares about is if his people are getting fed by the word. Are they getting fed with the word or with degrees?
---Rebecca_D on 3/31/07

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Helen someone blogged in my name also to discredit me some time ago on several occasions how that is possible I don't know, I even have a post with someone else blogs posted as Carla I've asked if this is genuine with no response, I wonder whether upstairs think they are really my post? either way it's not right!
---Carla5754 on 3/31/07

We know that a saved person is led by the Spirit of God. We all agree with that I hope. If a person is not led by the Spirit, how can anyone know for sure? No one can but God. If a person not led by the Spirit preaches in a church, his word will have no power. A church needs someone that has credenials in the ministry to teach in a church since it is the only thing a church can go by.
---frank on 3/31/07

B. As a congregation, they should examine his believes with the "Confessions of faith" or "Articles of faith of the church." If he does not have those believes, trouble will start. Of course there is times when a church loses a pastor and someone steps forward to lead the church, in those cases it cannot be helped. The circumstance allow for a person with none credenials to be the leader, but only for a time until the church finds someone that teaches what the church teaches.
---frank on 3/31/07

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