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Are Fallen Angels Demons

Are fallen angels demons? What scriptures backup this notion of fallen angels and demons being the same.

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Mark V,
Well said. Amen!

Always love and appreciate your feedback. Would definitely want to hear it in response to my entire argument which is laid out in the book. If not, I can still spoon it out 125 words at a time.
---Legends on 12/1/09

Legends, I have learned a lot through books. Don't get me wrong. In fact books are good in that they can be so helpful when reading a passage. Some suggest Bible only and that you can know everything without any help books, but I disagree. Just the knowledge of custums will clarify many meanings of given actions. In Mark 7 Jesus upbraids the Pharisees soundly for their concept of corban. If you don't know what corban is, or what it meant at that time, you would never know the reason Jesus was mad at them. I found out by looking at books to find out what corban meant to those people at the time. Without knowledge of the cultural practice of corban, we would be unable to understand the passage.
---MarkV. on 11/30/09

Mark V,
Hope your Thanksgiving was great.
I authored the book after years of doing exactly what you most wisely suggested I do in your last response.
Legends is my extensive research of each instance used by those(formerly myself) who believe in fallen angels. It's a challenge against that doctrine based on the Bible.(It would be better to say "my reading" of the Bible)
As you know MY READING as well as YOURS must endure scrutiny. "Readings" include books/sermons/blogs. I present my "reading" Legends Of The Fallen to you for the scrutiny I believe it deserves. Your choice!
But please don't prejudge any, sermon/blog/book until after you hear in detail what it has to say.
125 words isn't detail!
---Legends on 11/30/09

Legends 2, concerning the book you are talking about. I don't see anything anyone can say outside of Scripture that could be considered Truth. It might be a great helper, and maybe the author didn't believe in angels so he wrote what he thought was a great story. But His word is not truth. Compare it to Scripture it falls short of the Truth. I would say take every context by itself and know what God's meaning is for that one context. Then after you have read all of the areas where angels are mentioned, use a wordstudy Bible to see what the original words meant for that one context. You mention context was very important and it very well is. Without it you can put whatever meaning you want for any passage.
---MarkV. on 11/28/09

Legends, I believe no one has accuse God's angelic messengers of been sinners. They are God's messengers after all and they are of God.
We accuse the fallen angels of been sinners and demons. Those are the ones that have taken the side of Satan who himself is an angel. But a fallen one at that. There is no atonement for angels. Only humans. God also has angels that are not messengers of the word but actually do what God commands them to do. In one case they killed many by the commands of God. And didn't stop until God told them to stop.
---MarkV. on 11/27/09

135 word limit on blogs urges me to refer you to earlier blogs on this subject. You'll find many responses to all kinds of objections to the challenges I have against the doctrine of fallen angels.
If you really are sincerely interested in taking my challenge against the doctrine fallen angel, please Google and then order the book "Legends of the Fallen". 2009 First Place Winner for Best Bible Study- Readers' Choice Book Awards. Do your beliefs stand up to my challenges? It is a contextual review of every scripture you could ever use as proof. Before anyone ever again accuses God's angelic messengers of sinning, they should at least give this book a thorough read through.
The only other option is 135 words at a time.
---Legends on 11/27/09

I can't believe that someone would say that angels don't fall! clearly satan and a third of angels were kicked out of heaven. yes fallen angels are demons.demons became existent because of satans fall. Isaiah 12:12-21 gives little detail of satan and his fall.
---les on 11/26/09

Mark V,
Amen again... partially!
Great analysis on the "Stars and Angels" in the book of Revelation actually being HUMAN "Pastors and Elders". This is what I've been attempting to convey... that just because you see the word "angel" in a Bible verse, it doesn't mean heavenly angel or so-called fallen angels. Just like you well explained in your past blog.

But, in Psalm 78 the context deals with God giving "signs" to Egypt.
-Signs have "messages".
-10 Plagues were "message bearers" aka "evil messengers".
-No angelic beings mentioned in the passage or confirmed by Exodus. Just a bad understanding fueled by "Legends of the Fallen" Angels.
---Legends on 11/24/09

Legends, of course it depends on the context of the message for which the word in found in. This is called literal interpretation. Meaning that in order to interpret what is been said, we need to consider if what is said is a metaphor, symbol, allegorie, etc. The context will tell us what we should use. The angels in Revelation of each church represents the elders or pastors of those churches. They are also considered the seven stars verse 1:20.
In Psa. 78: it represents real angelic beings bringing distruction working for God. So it depends what the context is talking about before we can make a reasonable conclusion what is meant by angel.
---MarkV. on 11/23/09

Jack B,
No Probs! Sometimes I dont get my own points.

Concerning malak and aggelos: Proper translation of the word totally depends on context. For instance it's proper to translate that 2 ANGELS visited Lot contextually.
But not proper and very misleading to use the word angel in various Biblical verses our translators did instead of MESSENGER(S) according to context it resides.
Jude, 2Peter, the seven letters to the "angels" in Revelation, Psalm 78:49 are examples. Context for these verses either speak of human messengers(2Pet/Jude refers to the Children of Israel coming through the wilderness/Korah/going after strange flesh adultery caused by Balaam).In Psalm 78, the 10 plagues themselves were the malak/messengers.
---Legends on 11/23/09

Earlier blog contended Things and Beings "other" than angels are called malak/aggelos.

Psalm104:4 Amp
-makes winds His messengers, flames His ministers.

Psalm104:4 Young's Literal
-Making His messengers -- the winds, His ministers -- the flaming fire.

Psalm 78:43-51

He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending EVIL ANGELS AMONG THEM.
---Legends on 11/2/09
Malachi,Amos,John the Baptist, CHILDREN OF ISRAEL!
Paul's Thorn
---Legends on 11/23/09

Guess I dont get your point, Legends.

Angels in the old testament translates to mal'ak which means 'messenger' also

Like the 2 angels that came to Lot. Those weren't mere men.

The 'angels' left their 'habitation' or 'home' to go after strange flesh. Which was the same sin that caused Gods judgement to fall upon Sodom and Gomorrah.
In Genesis 6, some angels lusted after women and acted upon that lust.

Men were created in the image and after the likeness of God and WE fell.

Angels can fall. The great red dragon in Revelation has a tail that drew 1/3 of the stars of heaven. Rev 12:7 tells us that the devil even has his 'angels' and they will fight against Michael and Gods angels
---JackB on 11/19/09

Mark V,
Great stuff! Amen.
---Legends on 11/17/09

Legends, Daniel 4:10-15 the tree represents a picture of Nebuchadnezzar after 605 B.C. (4:20-22) "It is you, O king" indentifies the tree as the King. And in V.12 represents people under his rule (v.22). And the fall of the tree represents the coming time of God's Judgment on him (4:23-25). In 4:15 where it mentions the Stump" the stump represents the (Nucleus) of the kingdom which still exist v.26, which will later sprout as in nature (Job 14:7-9), the band is a guarantee that God will protect what remains intact and preserve the kings rule (v.26).
---MarkV. on 11/16/09

cont. Jack B,
By the way, since I looked it up, Daniel 4:11-24(please review) is the fulfillment of the "Isaiah 14" prophecy about a HUMAN (not an angel) portrayed as a high/mighty TREE, tautingly called Lucifer because he boasts of his TREE growing higher than the heavens. TREE falls from heaven after being "felled"/Old English meaning chopped down.

Dan4:11 The TREE grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:
Is14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground.
---Legends on 11/16/09

Thanks JackB,
Angels are Holy!
Found only 3 references that do not confirm your last blog. Note the KJV word "AND".

1)Daniel 4:13 I saw in the visions... a watcher AND an holy one came down from heaven

2)Daniel 4:23 The king saw a watcher AND an holy one coming down from heaven

3)Daniel 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, AND the demand by the word of the holy ones

Nothing here in these verses says anything that displays a distinction of Holy and Unholy angels from Heaven. In fact, according to the word "AND" it seems like watchers and holy ones are either two differing beings or simply put... WATCHERS ARE HOLY, the latter being my initial contention!
---Legends on 11/16/09

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Mark V,
May your holiday season be filled with God's love/laughter.
Many scholars who believe in fallen angels have a major problem with your reading. But you teach very well that it's not what I, you or the scholars believe,what God says matters.
The context of Jude's "messengers" was set one verse earlier:

5)I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6)And the angels(aggelos/messengers) which kept not their first estate

Humanities'first estate is God's presence:
24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to PRESENT you faultless before the PRESENCE
---Legends on 11/16/09


Ever notice in the Bible that there are times when the angels or Watchers are mentioned and the words "an holy one" immediately follows to let the reader know it wasnt a fallen one?
---JackB on 11/16/09

Legends, hi and I believe you are wrong again. We talked about this before. These angels were not human messengers. I don't know what context you are reading but they are angeles. What jude is discribing are the same angels mentioned in 2 Peter 2:4. which is clear they are fallen angels who are in chains reserve for judgment. They are fallen angels in Jude 6 did not keep their proper domain, they entered men who promiscuously cohabited with women, Apparently this is a referece to the fallen angels of Gen. 6, (Sons of God) before the flood (v.5, Gen. 6:1-3)who left their normal state, from angels to entering humans, who lusted after women, and before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (v.6, Gen. 19).
---MarkV. on 11/16/09

Jack B,
I briefly addressed this earlier in the blog.
I submit that contextually, it is a horrible Greek to English translation of the word "aggelos".
In Jude, the word "angels" should read "messengers" meaning human messengers, not angels. See context.

Earlier Blog:
Human "messengers"(aggelos) sin and fall.
Angels in Heaven always obey the voice of the Word of God. Psalms states: Bless the Lord ALL ye his angels, WHO DO His commandments.
The context of Jude and 2Peter is about the human MESSENGERS(aggelos) who sinned and were buried in darkness because they were shackled to darkness in the wilderness(of sin).
Best example: Korah(Corah/Dathan)!
---Legends on 8/25/09
---Legends on 11/16/09

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Legends ---
"NO, Satan is not a fallen angel! There is no such being as a fallen angel.
NO, Satan's angels are not fallen angels."

Jude 1:6,7
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
---JackB on 11/15/09

Those angels who followed Lucifer from Heaven are called demons. The Word refers to the demonic powers in the heavenly places. These demons work in the air around us, and they also work as instruments of evil to tempt us.
---Sandra on 11/15/09

(If Satan & his angels are not on the earth, then there is no one to tempt us. If there is no temptation, then there is no sin. Do you think there is sin on the earth?)-Jerry 6593

YES, SATAN and his messengers(angels)are on Earth.
YES, temptation and sin is here.
NO, Satan is not a fallen angel! There is no such being as a fallen angel.
NO, Satan's angels are not fallen angels.

Temptation is never based on the existence of "fallen angels" according to the apostles' teaching. Note James Chapter 1:

14But EVERY MAN is tempted, when he is drawn away of HIS OWN LUST, and enticed.
15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
---Legends on 11/12/09

Jerry 65931 and Mark V,
God's not herky-jerky but very orderly in chap12/Revelation! Please consider contextual order noting words like WOMAN/NOW/THEN.

1 NOW a great sign appeared in heaven, A WOMAN
2 THEN being with child,
4...And the dragon stood before THE WOMAN
7 And war broke out in heaven...
9 the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan,
10 THEN I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW salvation...and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His CHRIST have come, for the accuser of OUR BRETHREN.... HAS BEEN cast down.
13 NOW when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted THE WOMAN.

Any theologian worth his salt should clearly see THE ORDER.
---Legends on 11/12/09

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Jerry 6593,
Thanks for the reply. This may sound strange if you have never before seen my many replies about what I believe are "contextual" reasonings concerning my contention that there are no such things as fallen angels. Heck! May sound strange if you have.
Mark V and I have dialogued a little bit about it. He does a great job of making me do my homework in my reasonings. To his credit he has never pridefully inferred that I absolutely have "no light within me" as another has.

May be that I have no light on this particular subject. And maybe I have keen insight. I believe the "entire" argument if valid. But, we can only present it 135 words at a time for others to ponder and then respond.
---Legends on 11/11/09

Legends, I believe Jerry is correct in his answers. Please forgive Eloy, he comes down hard on anyone. That is who he is.
Concerning Rev. 12:7 and on, What John is seeing is a vision. He never saw Satan fall, so here he is going through what happened in the beginning. The events on earth during the tribulation find their counterpart in what happen in heaven. A state of war has existed since the fall of Satan (v4: Dan. 10:13, Jude 9). Some things will intensify that warfare-possibly saints passing through the realm of Satan, (Eph. 2:2). Satan and his demons were cast out of heaven at the time of original rebellion, but still have access to it. That access will be close, and access to heaven will be forever denied.
---MarkV. on 11/7/09

Legends: "The event of this war in "heaven" mentioned in CHAPTER 12 hasn't happened yet"

Whoa, hold it partner. The book of Revelation is definitely NOT in chronological order. Ask any Bible scholar worth his salt. If the war has not yet occurred, then Satan has not yet been cast to the earth. If Satan & his angels are not on the earth, then there is no one to tempt us. If there is no temptation, then there is no sin. Do you think there is sin on the earth?
---jerry6593 on 11/7/09

Legend, you lower yourself to childish antics. Scripture many times uses King and man when referring to the spirit. Jesus was, The Man and The King, but he also is God Almighty Creator the world. Nebuchadnezzar was a man and a king, but he was also Anti-God and the Beast.
---Eloy on 11/6/09

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Legends Ps. 104:4 "Who makes His angel spirits, His ministers a flame of fire" is talking about attributes and characteristics angels have, discribing their swiftness and destructiveness as God's instruments of judgment in some passages. He is speaking in a metaphor, the same with the previous verse when he said, "Who walks on the wings of the wind"
God doesn't walk Legend He is Spirit, it shows the greatness of God in been everywhere at one time as the wind is everywhere. What you are doing it giving literal meanings to phrases that are either alligorical or metaphors when the writer speak and puts down what he feels.
---MarkV. on 11/6/09

I who have no light within obey:

The- the king- king of- of Babylon- babylon: Lucifer- lucifer...(heylel- heylel)Is- is this- this the- the MAN- MAN!
Say- say unto- unto prince- prince of- of Tyrus- Tyrus... thou- thou art- art a- a MAN- MAN.

Hey! This is pretty cool! I'm enlightened since you made me aware that I've obviously never read any of the scriptures you recited.

Thanks- thanks
Eloy- Eloy
p-p s-s Read- read Daniel- Daniel Chapter- chapter 4- 4
---Legends on 11/6/09

Thanks for the scripture. Two points to consider about that particular passage.
1) The event of this war in "heaven" mentioned in CHAPTER 12 hasn't happened yet seeing that it's in CHAPTER 12. ONE CHAPTER BEFORE, we see the 2 prophets of what most call the Great Tribulation period which obviously HASN'T HAPPENED YET EITHER.
No two prophets yet(ch11) = no war in heaven yet(ch12)

2) The term heaven can mean the visable sky or stars depending on context. "These(Two Prophets) have power to shut HEAVEN, that it RAIN not in the days of their prophecy." Rev11:6
---Legends on 11/6/09

I agree with Gordon and here's why.
In Jude 1:6 it says,"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." So you see it would be impossible for the fallen angels who are in everlasting chains under darkness to be demons.
---mima on 11/6/09

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My understanding so far is that demons and fallen angels are different entities. Fallen angels are devils who were once good angels in Heaven. Demons, on the other hand, are spirits created by the sexual union of fallen angels and flesh-and-blood women. Some demons are also called "familiar spirits", re: the Occult realm, who familiarize themselves with (certain) people, and imitate them after the death of those (certain) people, to fool the living into thinking that their deceased loved ones have come back to life, for however long, as in during a Seance.
---Gordon on 11/6/09

Legends: "But Heaven, God's invisible realm does not have and HAS NEVER had a problem with government.
Heavens angels/messengers NEVER sin(ned). "

Rev 12:7-9 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
---jerry6593 on 11/6/09

Legend, You speak falsehood because there is no light in you: Re-read the scriptures I cited below, but read them slo-o-o-wly...I-i...Cast-cast...You-you...Down-down...and so on...
---Eloy on 11/6/09

"And Judas departed, and went and hanged himself."
"Go and do likewise."
Matthew 27:5Luke 10:37

Every scripture you mentioned has a context. Not one of them contextually shows that any of Heaven's angels have sinned/fallen becoming demons.

Listen to your Logic:
The Biblical term "devil and his angels" or "Satan and his angels"--->Satan was once a Heavenly angel.

Sound Biblical Logic says:
This is equal to the the term "God and His angels" or "Jesus and His Holy angels"--->God/Jesus are angels.
God/Jesus are not heavenly angels but have messengers angels.
Likewise: The devil/opposer/adverse one was not a heavenly angel but has messengers.
---Legends on 11/5/09

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The common practice of glueing unfitting scriptures together has been a plague in the Church for centuries. Each scripture has a context. Each context points to the fact that humans are totally responsible for governing themselves under God.
Heaven...not the clouds and stars "heaven" mentioned in the verse you quoted OUT OF CONTEXT from Isaiah (which by the way is about a TREE falling from "heaven" THE LOFTY SKY WHERE CLOUDS and even "heaven" OUTERSPACE WHERE STARS ARE. This prophecy about the king of Babylon portrayed as A TREE was fulfilled in DANIEL CHAPTER 4)...
But Heaven, God's invisible realm does not have and HAS NEVER had a problem with government.
Heavens angels/messengers NEVER sin(ned).
---Legends on 11/5/09

The dragon, that old serpent, and his angels were cast out into the earth. In Eden the garden of God you have been. You the anointed cherub until you have sinned, therefore I will cast you as profane out of the mountain of God. Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty, you have corrupted your wisdom by reason of your gloss: I will cast you to the ground. And yhwh God said to the serpent, Because you have so done, most cursed be you of all cattle and of all beasts of the field: upon your belly will you go, and earth will you eat all days of your life. How have you fallen from heaven, Heylel, son of the early dawn? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations." Rev.12:9+ Ezk.28:13-17+ Gen.3:14+ Is.14:12.
---Eloy on 11/5/09

Gotta Love a Bro. that wants scripture! Here Goes:

Psalm 104:4 Amplified
-Who makes winds His messengers, flames of fire His ministers.

Psalm 104:4 Young's Literal Translation
-Making His messengers -- the winds, His ministers -- the flaming fire.

Study Psalm 78:43-51 KJV ABBREVIATED He wrought His SIGNS in Egypt rivers/into blood, floods/undrinkable, FLIES AMONG THEM, frogs,caterpillers,locust,destroyed vines/hail, sycomores/frost, cattle slain/hail, flocks/thunderbolts, smote Egypt's firstborn/death.

He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending EVIL ANGELS AMONG THEM.
---Legends on 11/2/09

Pt. 2
Psalm 104
Per Youngs, Amplified and others, WIND and FIRE are clearly called God's messengers(Malak) and ministers. Hebrews confirms that Psalm 104 CONTEXT is saying that winds and flames are EVEN his angels/servants.

Heavenly Angels are NOT winds. Winds ARE angels i/e serving God as message carriers. Wind and fire are natural,common things God uses to send His messages to Hard-Headed mankind.

Psalm 78
CONTEXTUALLY, the 10 PLAGUES were the EVIL ANGELS to the Hard-Headed Egyptions. There's no Biblical record in Exodus of "fallen angels" loose in Egypt.
10 EVIL MESSENGERS (bloody water, flood, hail, frogs,DEATH,etc CARRIED SAME MESSAGE/SIGN as Moses/Aaron,
Let my people go!
---Legends on 11/2/09

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Legends, I do not doubt what you are saying but I would have to have Scripture to believe it. Can you provide passages to the effect of what you said?

"What I also know to be Biblically, contextually true is this. Natural wind, natural fire, natural water, natural clouds, and many natural "things" including humans are also referred to as God's ANGELS/MESSENGERS/MALAK/AGGELOS.
I also know that multiple Biblical Humans were called Malak and Aggelos(Malachi, Amos, John the Baptist)"

If water and fire are messengers where is that stated in? Are you saying that fire is telling us there is a fire as a message? What is it you are talking about?
---MarkV. on 10/30/09

Psalm104:4 context isn't about heavenly angels. It's speaking of nature speaking as God's MESSENGERS(wind,waters,clouds,fire,etc).
Young's Literal reads like this:
Making His messengers -- the winds, His ministers -- the flaming fire.
Wind and Fire are two of God's messengers. Wind brought quail, Whirlwind rebuked Job, Rushing mighty wind at Pentecost, etc.
Fire Pillar guarded Israel, Flaming torch covenanted with Abraham, Flaming sword guarded Eden, burning bush lured Moses, etc.
All of these natural things are his messengers.
OT word/Messenger comes from Hebrew/Malak. Malak could be tranlated messenger or angel just like NT word/Messenger comes from Greek/Aggelos and could be translated angels or messengers. Context!
---Legends on 10/27/09

Bible Translators and teachers have led us into believing Psalm 104, as well as Jude and 2Peter, refers to heaven's angels.
While I agree with Mark V that Heaven's angels are a special order of created beings.
What I also know to be Biblically, contextually true is this. Natural wind, natural fire, natural water, natural clouds, and many natural "things" including humans are also referred to as God's ANGELS/MESSENGERS/MALAK/AGGELOS.
I also know that multiple Biblical Humans were called Malak and Aggelos(Malachi, Amos, John the Baptist).
The translator has to get it right. Translator=You and me.
In Jude/2Peter we get it wrong. Heavenly angels never sinned. Humans messengers did!
---Legends on 10/27/09

Legends, Angels are a special order of created beings. They are purely spirited beings Psa. 104:4 says, "who makes His angels spirits?" God does. And in Hebrews 1:14 says, "Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit the kingdom?" Angels are spirited beings not human beings as you suggest. The have the power to become human for a short time.
Angels are either fallen or unfallen. The host of fallen angels are apparently the demons. They followed Satan in the primeval revolt, (Isa. 14:12-14, Ezk. 28:11-19). Some of them are unbound and are free to do Satan's bidding. Others are chained in darkness awaiting judgement (2 Peter 2:4)
---MarkV. on 10/24/09

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There is no such being as a fallen angel... only fallen human messengers who do not take personal responsibility for their own demise.
I imagine that many loved ones who have gone on before us in death have asked Gabriel, Michael or even Jehovah Himself about the "angels that sinned".
I imagine the angels looked at our loved ones with a puzzled look saying, "Bless the Lord "ALL" ye angels who do God's will. We always have, always do and always will obey God... ALL of us!"

All "human" messengers sin! Need proof...

Read 2nd Peter and Jude contextually. The word angels should have been translated messengers... referencing the Hebrews people of the great Exodus like Korah/Dathan/10 spies.
---Legends on 10/22/09

Demons of Satan were once angels of God until they turned away from God. Then they became demons.
---Angel11 on 10/17/09

Put it this way there are heavenly beings, Human beings and there is some strange being that like to stifle you in the dark....... that only the name of Jesus can set you free, DEM ain't ''HEAVENLY''
---Carla3939 on 8/30/09

You err,
Their are 4 beasts that stand before the throne of God, having 4 sets of wings and are full of eye's.

The Bible say that if all the words & things he's done was written down in books, that not even the earth could contain them.

Can you even try to imagine that, wow, that is alot of books!

The Bible is but a speck of sand when it comes to whats been done by him, However, God made sure that we had the bible/Books that we need :)
---YLBD on 8/28/09

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Demon are Angels- for God created only man and celestial bodies known as Angels. There are no third beings. The most beautiful of these Angels created for praise left as Mima noted in Jude 1:6., and took a huge number of the inumberable heavenly creatures with him. When an Gabriel visited Daniel he was delayed a month fighting with ANOTHER angel and had to summon Michael for help, showing Angels do differ in rank, power and mission. Angels were created as perfect beings with self-wills and thus are perfectly evil. <
---larry on 8/27/09

Stars of heaven [a symbol for angels]-Catherine

This is a common mistake that many of our best teachers make.
It's mainly caused by:
1. Bad Greek to English translation of the Greek word aggelo(s) which could be translated angel(s) or (HUMAN) messenger(s).
2. One verse in Job that seems like it's referring to angels but is not.
Using the rest of the Bible as context... Stars are symbols for covenant Humans not heavens angels. Abrahams lineage were to be as the STARS in number and brightness. They are placed in this world to shine in the midst of darkness sending a message of wisdom and love from God.
The angel(STAR) to each of the seven churches in Revelation weren't angels with wings but humans with WISE messages.
---Legends on 8/27/09

In Job: Stars sang together and sons of God shouted for joy "before" the foundation of the world because like THE LAMB SLAIN, God FOREORDAINED His covenant sons to shout when things looked darkest.
This was the wisdom God was trying to get across to Job while he was greatly moaning about all his troubles instead of singing IN HARMONY(together) with God and shouting for joy.
God wanted Job to be a STAR shining in a sea of darkness. Job, as well as all us other human STARS who have troubles now and then, shine when we shout for joy in the middle of our DARK trials.
When all of God's Human sons follow/imitate His LEAD, we all sing together.
When we do/say our own thing, Jude13 calls us HUMANS wandering STARS.
---Legends on 8/27/09

A prime purpose of Jesus' earthly ministry was to overcome the power of Satan [John 12:31]. This is why there were fierce conflict between Jesus and evil spirits while He was on this earth....There were a group of fallen angels that followed Satan to this earth free to contaminate the human race with wickedness [Gen. 3, Matt. 25:41, Rev. 12:9]. In Revelation view of this "initial" fall appears in 12:3-4 where the dragon [a symbol for Satan] "drew a third of the stars of heaven [a symbol for angels] and "threw them to the earth" [Matt 24:41, Rev. 12:9].>>Note in the Old Testament of Saul and the "lying spirit" [1 Sam. 16:15-16.]
---catherine on 8/26/09

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Mima - The scripture you used talks about how demons ARE fallen angels. Their first estate was Heaven, now they are chained to the pit (prison of Hell), if they are not in the earth. If you believe that demons are not fallen angels, then you used the scripture that proves they are. Don't go off of personal beliefs, but what the Bible says.
---Leslie on 8/26/09

I do not believe fallen angels are demons, my belief is based on Jude1:6," And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
---mima on 8/25/09

Yes, fallen angels are demons. The Bible says that Lucifer (star) was kicked out of Heaven (fell like lightning), and took 1/3 of the angels with him. Lucifer was then renamed Satan or the devil, which refers to his falling away. This means that the 1/3 of the angels that went with him, are now demons.
---Leslie on 8/25/09

Angels of God never fall. His kingdom operates flawlessly... unlike the human kingdoms of this world.
Angels don't make false accusations or get involved with accusations at all.
Questions like the one addressed on this blog ACCUSE God's angels of falling. They absolutely do not. None!

Human "messengers"(aggelos) sin and fall.
Angels in Heaven always obey the voice of the Word of God. Psalms states: Bless the Lord ALL ye his angels, WHO DO His commandments.
The context of Jude and 2Peter is about the human messengers(aggelos) who sinned and were buried in darkness because they were shackled to darkness in the wilderness. Even though they were delivered from a DARK Plague.
Best example: Korah(Corah/Dathan)!
---Legends on 8/25/09

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This is a tough question. I have learned a few things that make me think fallen angels are not demons. One is that demons posses people in the bible and when they are caste out they traffic in dry places and look for another human to occupy. Angels are never seen as disembodied spirits looking to possess humans anywhere in scripture, they have the ability to appear as men and disappear, they occupy regional territories according to the book of Daniel and probably most of all they are never referred to as demons or unclean spirits. Demons are most likely what the book of Enoch refers to them as and that is the disembodied offspring of angels with women.
---Jeff on 8/12/09

Yes, fallen angels are most definitely demons.One third of heaven's angels joined Lucifer in his rebellion against God."Demons" is simply another title or name for Fallen Angels. Mat. 4:24, 7:22. Unchained angels has a certain amount of freedom at the present time. Ps. 78:49 and Rev. 12:7-9. Eph. 6:2. Chained Angels, has no freedom at the present time. The Angels in the bottomless pit. [the Abyss Luke 8:31 and Revelation 9:1,2,11.
---catherine on 2/25/08

Steveng--you said men were created in the image of angels. where in scripture do you find that?
---carol on 2/24/08

Yes fallen angels ARE demons. When Satan (Lucifer) was kicked out of Heaven, he took 1/3 of the angels with him. Those fallen angels are now demons.
---Leslie on 2/23/08

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In Revelations 6:13 it talks about the stars falling unto the earth. The stars represents angels that fell from heaven. The same with 12:4 Satan is the dragon and the stars are the fallen angels. They left their fist estate and now are angels of the devil. Mt 24:41, Rev 12:7-9.
---Rebecca_D on 2/22/08

The personality of Satan: A> He is a real person. B> He has intelligence. C> He possesses memory. D> He possesses a will. E> He possesses emotions. F> He has great organizational ability.
---catherine on 4/10/07

Why didn't God kill the Devil? I have the answer.Job 38, 4-7- indicates that God created the angels at some point before He "laid the foundations of the earth". The anointed cherub,' Who would later become the Devil. When he appears in the garden of Eden, the transformation from anointed cherub to Satan the devil had already occurred. The "fall of Lucifer" may have taken place many centuries before God prepared the uninhabitable planet earth for the arrival of humankind.
---catherine on 4/9/07

Cynthia: I don't doubt your experience. Since man is in the likeness of angels, then all throughout the Bible angles appeared as men: Moses was approached by angles looking like men, Lot was approached by angels looking like men, and what Matthew said about Jacob wrestling with an angel of God. Even The AntiChrist is a man. The bible does describe methological type of creatures: the creature with four faces (in Revelation, I think).
---Steveng on 4/5/07

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If you are referring to what I wrote, then I must tell you that I am not getting payed a dime for answering questions on this blog. I have a considerable amount of experience because of my backround, but I do not cast pearls, to be mocked.
---Cynthia_1 on 4/5/07

John what do you think ghosts are? Demons appear to people in different shapes and sizes. It is part of their deceit. As far as one manifesting into a physical form I believe it is possible because Jacob wrestled with an angel of God all night to prove His worth. (Genesis 32:24-30) Although I can't say for sure. One thing I do know is they can mimic touch. In other words they can "touch" you. I think it's a spiritual thing and not physical.
---Matthew on 4/5/07

#2. Thereby, demons can likewise transform in a human being. There are "fallen angels" and are still spiritual beings.

The Bible does not list all the powers that Satan and demons have, but we do know they are powerful.

Any item that have been used in any witchcraft ritual probably have some demon attach to it.
---Ramon on 4/5/07

Since when do demons have creative powers. If they are spirits, how can they create a human body? Sounds like you are confusing Christianity with mythology. Show me scriptures where demons did anything other than possess another being that was already created by God!
---john on 4/5/07

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Lucifer told the other angels they could be just like God if they left with him. Now, they are still believing his lies as they go around torturing people. Some churches even teach that their members can be GODS someday too. Lucifer's lies are still going around. And, people are still falling for them.
---Susie on 4/4/07

Yes Betty you are correct, they come in all shapes and sizes, these fallen angels are referred to all throughout the Bible as evil spirits, they can transform appearances from demons, to human, to animal, even human heads on every kind of beastly animal, sea creature, or insect.
---Cynthia_1 on 4/4/07

Revelation12:7-9 the dragon(Lucifer) and his angels... Lucifer turned into Satan after his fall so it would stand to reason that his angels would turn into his demons. I hope this helps. There may be more Scriptures but this is the one that came to my mind. Please know that this is just how I see it and could be wrong but where else would the demons come from?
---betty8468 on 4/4/07

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