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Should women be in leadership over men?

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We wouldn't pour ice cream mix into a freezer to make homemade icecream if we didn't intend to produce ice cream from it. In the same way God pours His Spirit,the Holy Ghost, in male and female for the same purpose,both to be anointed in the Spirit,to preach,teach,prophesy,or any other Spiritual Gift. God doesn't give one kind of HG to men and another to women. He gives the HG equally to all and expects to see equal fruit, and same kind ,produced from that same HG empowerment.
---Darlene_1 on 10/29/07

Let me make something extremely clear to you. I am 100 percent female, and there is nothing that I would have loved more than to sit back and let man take charge and leadership, the way God had intended it to happen, My uncle was a 4 star general, my own father was one of GODS Generals, in His Holy army, he is now in heaven. Against my own will, my father MADE ME major in MINISTERIAL, I studied for the ministry in the 70s when it was extremely unpopular for a woman to be a minister....part one
---Cynthia_1 on 4/18/07

PART 2, I have dedicated hundreds if not in the thousands of hours, to learn and comprehend the things of God and I assure you, there is nothing about me that is in its infancy, and often I feel like I cast pearls to many, many swine. The words that I say now, you will never forget.....UNTIL YOUR DYING DAY....YOU WILL SAY...''Cynthia said it and, it has come to pass. This is a promise....Gods hand is UPON WOMAN IN THIS HOUR.......
---Cynthia_1 on 4/18/07

BY GODS HAND, God is raising up WOMAN in this hour the likes of which this world has never seen since the beginning of time, God is doing something extremely new in this time, YOU WILL SEE MEN SIT DOWN NOW, AND WOMAN WILL BE TAKING THE REIGNS of Gods Holiness, they will fly in the Winds of His Spirit that will make your eyes pop out...THIS IS A PROMISE. from me
---Cynthia_1 on 4/18/07

You do not go to college to decipher THE WORD OF GOD. THE WORD OF GOD IS JUST THAT. it is not the word of men.
1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also WE SPEAK, NOT in the words which MAN'S wisdom teacheth, but which the HOLY GHOST TEACHETH; comparing SPIRITUAL THINGS with SPIRITUAL.
The Holy Ghost teaches us christians not man.
---doug7835 on 4/14/07

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. self explanatory
---doug7836 on 4/13/07

ralph: "Steveng, I give you credit just for being able to decipher some sort of meaning from Cynthia's post." After grading English papers for the past 34 years, I could almost understand anything written including papers written by people from other countries. It's a God given gift of interpretation.
---Steveng on 4/13/07

1 Corinthians 11:8 (King James Version) For the man is NOT of the woman; but the woman of the man.

1 Corinthians 11:9 (King James Version) Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. WOMAN WAS CREATED FOR THE MAN.
GOD is not a MAN
---doug7835 on 4/13/07

sorry ladies when comes to leadership or preaching it belongs to men.
1 Timothy 2:10 (King James Version) But (which becometh WOMEN PROFESSING GODLINESS) with good works.

1 Timothy 2:11 (King James Version) Let the WOMAN learn in SILENCE with all subjection. (PART 1)
---doug7835 on 4/13/07

Cynthia_1: My post still stands.
---Steveng on 4/12/07

Steveng, I give you credit just for being able to decipher some sort of meaning from Cynthia's post.
---ralph7477 on 4/12/07

Steven, I am a very mature Christian, and I know infinitely more than many Christians, and even still I am always learning, and do not know everything, I do not have the sin of pride, such as yourself though, I forgive you, God bless you.
---Cynthia_1 on 4/12/07

Cynthia_1: I don't feal threatened by any man, women or child. For man will destroy this body, but I do fear God who is able to destroy the body and spirit. Your post shows that you are not thinking like an mature Christian, but a weak Christians whose knowledge of the Bible is still in its infancy.
---Steveng on 4/11/07

I feel sorry for you guys who feel threatened by the many facets of gifts that God had personaly given to woman, that goes to show me why an atomic bomb woman should never marry a cap gun male. Men if you will open your eyes, you will see that GOD has divinely blessed the woman who were sexually abused by the hands of Pervert men. They have been raised to the pinnacle of success on the world scene today.
---Cynthia_1 on 4/10/07

All I think I will say on this subject is >>>Real women loves God.>>> Real men loves God. And we have two obedience. 1- The Word of God. 2- God directly. AMEN, AMEN. Good job: Catherine.+++
---catherine on 4/10/07

If we "consider the queen bee"; we must also consider
the male bee "drone", and I do not know which is worse!
Surely there be better similes to human conjugal affinity...
My take is that if Paul would have preached any other
Gospel in his day, he would have been asking women and
slaves to commit suicide. Do you get the sense that for me,
these are our days? Right you are!
---Nana on 4/10/07

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Just as Deborah acted as a judge in the old testament, surely God has shown his approval of women in leadership. To say that man has dominion or is the head of the family etc. is not to imply that women can not or should not lead. Neither does a woman in leadership negate or disqualify the headship position of the male.
---chy on 4/9/07

Bob: The blog is nothing more than writing opinions to each other (or to the group). There are many misinterpretations using this form of communication. There is no eye contact, no real showing of feelings, no body language, no smiles, no personal encouragement. Consider the vine and the grapes.

Bob and Helen: The Bible shows examples of women as both preachers and prophets, but they were not leaders of men.
---Steveng on 4/9/07

In the days of YORE women girls were trained to work & lived in the temple,Mary was one of such women she never pushed herself forward but conducted her duties with a silent mouth Obedience & humility she always pointed the way to Jesus which she still does.Woman is the queen of the home;(consider the queen bee) hence the saying the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world in HUMILITY its an honour but not a slur as some point out.
---Emcee on 4/9/07


I am Woman, and two parts Male

Jesus and the person of the Holy Spirit.

Am I suppose to pretend that I am powerless, when I am the very embodyment and vessel of God? God is NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS, though you are, yet you seem to be as a Saducee or Pharisee mentality.
---Cynthia_1 on 4/9/07

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BOB::This is definitely Not a church& it is a forum In church we worship who do we worship here Mods Blogs Or one another.who are the ministers !!!oops no names please, Dissenters Sure heaps from all like the tower OF BABBLE.Women remain SILENT!!!the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.AMEN.
---Emcee on 4/9/07

On a previous blog, some consider the blogs an internet community only. Some consider the blogs, the Church, as they do not attend another church. There are some who take the blogs seriously as their platform for witnessing. There are some who request prayers from the "internet community".
How do you view the blogs? Is it the Church for you or cyberspace.
Then bring "women" back into the discussion, if you consider this your church, should women remain silent?
---Bob on 4/9/07

I say this in love, if it wasn't for the women in the church, we wouldn't have a church. God gave women a compassion toward others, it is stronger than a man's compassion. When God called my husband to preach, God called me as well. My husand and I are one in Christ. I don't overstep my bounds with my husband. We encourage one another. When my faith is weak, his is strong and vice versa. We work hand-n-hand for the goodness of the Lord. Where there is a good man, there is a good women behind him.
---Rebecca_D on 4/9/07

In church, if God bids me to go and pray for a woman, I get the anointing oil and I go. I don't ask my husband if it is okay. If God bids me to pray for a man, I ask my husband to come with me, and I have him lay hands on this man and I lay hands on my husband. I've seen jealousy show it's ugly face in people. If God can use a sinner to do his work, then he can use a woman to do his work. When my husband is in the valley, I interceed prayer on his behalf. I take my authority on the situation.
---Rebecca_D on 4/9/07

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Bob - I was thinking of the Church itself, not the Blogs here. I don't consider myself to be a preacher. You have a good point though.
---Helen_5378 on 4/9/07


I would strongly encourage you to Try the spirit For Their Are Many, against the fine tuning of the word. I remember women at times say God told them this/that neither root nor branch is left to tell the tale only those of us that were there at their PREACH-ing. BE WARNED! Adultery,Self,Lying and Hatred were later manifested in their testimonies and they no long serve in the same church as their revelations.
---Carla5754 on 4/9/07

Women: Afraid to allow men to lead? Women once had the power of controling the world, but lost it because of feminism. The old adage is true today than it was when first written: "the hand that rocks the cradle, rules the world." Since women have placed their children into childcare services so they could rule a company or country, the training of the children are now in the hands of Satan. Look at the trend of the children for the past fify years since women left home - delinquency.
---Steveng on 4/8/07

"The men won't do anything so we women have to". We hear this line of reasoning many times. In reality, the more accurate statement would be "The men won't do it when we want or the way we want it done, so we have to take over." Nancy Pelosi's actions last week were a fine example.
---ralph7477 on 4/8/07

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If you want Gods answer to your determination to violate Gods law Read Genesis3:16.Men may love & respectwhich is true BUT---The final say is !!!!!
---Emcee on 4/7/07

India and many other ''third'' world Countries have been robbed over and over and over again, by England, America Spain,France etc of their precious minerals Gold/Silver so That western society can live rich and make up excuses of why they are oppressed and without rights. Asian rights are down to ignorance and acceptance in part of the Mosaic law Plagiarised ( circumcision, cutting of hair, modesty in dress, silence..) to suit their idol worship as religion and so demoralise their women.
---Carla5754 on 4/8/07

All I know is God said to me loudly one day while I was cleaning my apartment, and I quote Him "PREACH".
---catherine on 4/8/07

If you want Gods answer to your determination to violate Gods law Read Genesis3:16.Men may love & respectwhich is true BUT---The final say is !!!!!
---Emcee on 4/7/07

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You preach here every day, Helen.
Are you saying we should take everything you've said to be worth a grain a salt?
Should you continue preaching here?
---Bob on 4/7/07

you know,when I read this,I immediately went in search of scripture to back up the fact that when in the spirit there is no distinction between male or female,instead I found that as I searched the words that kept jumping out at me were of the love and respect that we should have for each other.
---Mary on 4/7/07

I Timothy 3:2 says (authorizedVersion,textusReceptus)
"A bishop then must be blameless, THE HUSBAND OF One WIFE, ......" How can you lead others if you don't fall under this qualification of a bishop, which in the New Testament church was a leader?
---SGT_Mark on 4/7/07

We have had to do it all!!!! it just fell in our laps most of the times when the men didn't ever step up to the plate. Woman have a capacity for leadership and tenderness which we have had to maintain when we were alone, and had no body else, when no one was there for us we would drop to our death or open wings and fly. We learned to lead cause there was no man who would. Many woman have been extremely let down by men and can not trust them anymore. This is my own feeling.
---Cynthia_1 on 4/7/07

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All I know is this>>> God yelled out to me one day and said "PREACH". No other words was spoken at that time. Later He confirmed it.
---catherine on 4/7/07

Galatians 3
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
---denise on 4/7/07

You need look no further than across the pond to Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, where women are rarely seen and not heard.
Look into those cultures. When women are silenced, you will see extrordinary brutality and poverty. Where women are denied an education and civil rights, you will see little progress.
---Bob on 4/7/07

I don't believe that a woman should be in leadership over men. Man is the head over woman. I have always found it puzzling as to why God would call a wife to preach but not the husband.
---Helen_5378 on 4/7/07

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** 1Ti2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence**

Aside from the fact that the passage is NOT talking about secular governmnet, should MEN usurp authority over men? Is such permitted by this verse?
---Jack on 4/7/07

Historically when women have been elected as heads of state, governors, etc, it has only been a one time thing, the novelty wears off, and the electorate goes back to electing men as leaders thereafter.
---ralph7477 on 4/7/07

Rev Herb. If you are going to take 1Tim.2:12 literally under all circumstances then the next time your mother tries to tell you something just quote her this verse and tell her to be quiet because you are a man and she has no Biblical right to teach you anything. Women all through the Bible taught and led in various ways and were even judges in the land that had hundreds of thousands of men.
---john on 4/7/07

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

This is why we should not have a woman president.
---Rev_Herb on 4/7/07

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Women have been heads of state, served in the US Senate and House of Representatives, served as Judges, Governors, Heads of Corporations, Flag Officers in the Military and there track record has been equal to men. God and God alone chooses who will rise to positions of leadership and authority. Do you feel qualified to criticize his sovereign choices. Let this damnable bigotry against women in the clergy stop Now!!!
---Phil_the_Elder on 4/7/07

Rachel: A little defensive aren't you? I do not doubt that men and women are equal heirs according to the promise, work as helpers, or work as prophets (who are messengers, not leaders). But as for leaders, the Bible is explicit. As for your other posts, your thoughts are of a worldly view.
---Steveng on 4/6/07

Darlene: Be careful which reference books you use. Scripture says that the Bible is not of one man's interpretation. Dr. James Strong brought together a couple of dozen colleagues to write the Strong's Concordance. Everything written in his reference book had to meet Strongs approval. Anything that didn't seem right to him were expluded or rewritten. As it is written, the Bible is the only reference book you'll ever need. It does take some study on your part and, of course, the help of the Holy Spirit.
---Steveng on 4/6/07

Romans 16:1 I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea, 2 that you may receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and assist her in whatever business she has need of you; for indeed she has been a helper of many and of myself also. 3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus,
---Rachel on 4/6/07

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4 who risked their own necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles. 5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia to Christ. 6 Greet Mary, who labored much for us. 7 Greet Andronicus and Junia, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
---Rachel on 4/6/07

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
---Rachel on 4/6/07

Miriam, Moses' sister was a prophetess, Ex.15:20
Deborah was a prophetess and judge Judges 4:4
Huldah - 2 Kings 22:14, 2 Chron 34
Anna, a prophetess, Luke 2:36-38
Mary, sister of Lazarus, Luke 10:39
Lydia, Acts 16:12-15
Apphia, Chloe 1 Cor 1:11
Priscilla 1 Cor 16:19
Damaris, Acts 17:34
Euodias and Syntyche Rom 16:3
Junia Rom 16:7
Phoebe Rom 16:1
---Rachel on 4/6/07

7 Greet Andronicus and Junia, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me. 8 Greet Amplias, my beloved in the Lord. 9 Greet Urbanus, our fellow worker in Christ, and Stachys, my beloved. 10 Greet Apelles, approved in Christ. Greet those who are of the household of Aristobulus.
---Rachel on 4/6/07

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11 Greet Herodion, my countryman. Greet those who are of the [household] of Narcissus who are in the Lord. 12 Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa, who have labored in the Lord. Greet the beloved Persis, who labored much in the Lord. 13 Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine. 14 Greet Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermas, Patrobas, Hermes, and the brethren who are with them. 15 Greet Philologus and Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints who are with them.
---Rachel on 4/6/07

"Leadership" is not in the Bible.
The word leadership did not appear in any dictionaries until the early 1900's.
It was defined as the office and prestige of a leader, not clearly defined. Some say leadership is influence.
Christian leadership has been defined as the exercise of one's spiritual gifts (by the call of God) to serve people in achieving the goals God has given them toward the end of glorifying Christ.
---Rachel on 4/6/07

Should women be in leadership over men?

The question was not, "Should women have authority in the church?"
---Rachel on 4/6/07

If women should not be in leadership over men - all women should immediately resign from city council and other governmental positions. Women should not be in the military, school teachers, chiefs of medical centers, .... and all women would have to withdraw their religious views and relinquish your CN penpal rights.
---Rachel on 4/6/07

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.. leadership over men?
Women in leadership are bringing honor to this nation in our military.
Women have been held in prison camps in wars past. Their lives were not in vain.
They raised their hands as David raised his hands and declared there is one God.
There are women today who will declare there is one God and they will make known the name of the Lord before the enemies of God.
God is still placing His Spirit in sons and daughters to reach the unreachable and touch the untouchable.
---Rachel on 4/6/07

The "man" a "woman", is singular meaning one man ,one woman not all men over all women. Run references, will find it's speaking to husband and wife, says woman who keeps silent ask husband at home, stated in another verse. Tim.3:1 if a man seeks the office of Bishop,reference,man, Strongs 1536 man means whoever or whatever not gender. Bible words translated in light of age it was translated in ,women were property, made women seem like no part in leadership in God's service. Not true.
---Darlene_1 on 4/6/07

God called ordinary women like Esther, Ruth, Mary and Elizabeth.
In times of war, we have bold women that are willing to stand in a lion's den if they must.
In our military today, we have women who lead. We have American women heroes that are unafraid and boldly go to war without fear in their hearts.
---Rachel on 4/6/07


1Ti 1:3
As I besought thee to abide still in Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou Mightest Charge some that they teach no other doctrine.

Paul charges you not to teach anything that is not written.

vs 4But I suffer not a woman to Teach, nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silent.

WOMEN be Silent and do not teach MEN in church.

God said it, that seals it, so Ends It. There will be contentious women/men that teach accursed doctrines!
---Carla5754 on 4/6/07

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Rachel: It's true that women plays an important part in Christianity, but the Bible explicitly says that women shall never lead or have authority over man. It's written there in black and white all throughout the Bible that even a child can understand it. The question then is: Why didn't Jesus choose a few women as apostles when he knew that in the end times that feminism would arise and millions of women, like yourself, would question God's word?
---Steveng on 4/5/07

Ideally, no.
---ralph7477 on 4/5/07

All I can quote on this is what the Bible says. I will make him an help fit for him Ge 1:18 Woman made from rib of man-Gen 2:21 The woman lied to the serpent and then was fooled by him. Gen 3:3,6 she sinned first. Then Adam blamed her and that is when things really fell apart in the M/F area. Fastforward to 1Tim 2:1-15 This may be a little hard to swallow but remember it is not my words but God's. So I see the answer as no men are not to submit to women but to God.
---MARK on 4/5/07

God to Satan, "Her seed shall crush your head."
God trusted the life of His Son to Mary.
Women were active in the life and ministry of Jesus. Religious traditions of men have relegated women to the kitchen. Jesus came to set the captives free.
Christianity sets women free.
---Rachel on 4/5/07

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The prejudices against women today in religious cultures, outside of Christianity, have not changed much since the Greco-Roman world.
Complete maleness, exclusion of women, is a primary agent of many cults and false religions.
---Rachel on 4/5/07

The Holy Spirit welcomes women. He gives us hope for God's plan for women.
When I leave this body, I will not be married in heaven.
I have spiritual liberty in Jesus Christ.
When Christ died at Calvary, He fulfilled the law. His death satisfied the law's demand for judgment on our sin.
The Way was opened up for a New Covenant of grace, sealed with the Blood of Jesus.
---Rachel on 4/5/07

Women were a major presence in the early church. Christianity valued and did not exploit women. Jesus looked after widows and orphans. Jesus allowed women to fulfill their destiny. He restored the original revelation of what a woman's place should be.
---Rachel on 4/5/07

In Hebrew Old Testament, the Voice, the Glory and the Wisdom of God, are feminine word forms.
In New Testament, the Bride of Christ is being prepared for the Bridegroom. The Body and Bride.
The pagan culture of the Roman Empire devalued women to inferior status.
Becoming a Christian in that culture, for women, was coming from the darkness into the light. Women came from death to life, culturally and spiritually.
---Rachel on 4/5/07

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Christianity valued women. Female infants were as regarded and nurtured as male infants.
After the apostles died, the more traditional male stance severely repressed the voice of women in the church. This prohibited women from leading.
---Rachel on 4/5/07

The Holy Spirit is called the Power of God.
Wherever the Holy Spirit works, He breaks bondages and releases captives into liberty and light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and became the first person to bless and prophecy over Jesus Christ whe He was in the womb.
---Rachel on 4/5/07

Anna was in the temple, the first Gentile Jesus ministered to was a woman in Samaria.
The first witnesses of Jesus' Resurrection were all women.
God has a purpose for women. As it was designed in the beginning, God's purpose will be restored.
---Rachel on 4/5/07

Only if the men will not lead or don't exist.
---Mikey on 4/5/07

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This is a very exhausting subject of which Paul has given his guidance on the leadership of Gods church. God is still in control There is no reason for a woman to preach to the Household of faith unless the men in the church have gone AWOL. As a woman I wouldn't be so full of myself to preach contrary to Pauls Advice. Of course God can choose a woman but in times past it was so beyond what he ordered he asked a mule instead to get his massage across. Does that answer your Question!
---Carla5754 on 4/5/07

NO. Men should lead and the woman behind him. Men should more authority than the woman. Women can become preachers if God calls them. But they shouldn't rule over man.
---Rebecca_D on 4/5/07

I believe that leading and taking authority away from the man are two different things. It is not right for women to take authority away from man but to lead, as in give direction, is OK. Everyone who is in leadership should do it with humility. I know many women who are far better leaders than some men.
---john on 4/5/07

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