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Explain Job 1:6-12

Please explain Job 1:6-12. Where does it take place?

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The Devil hated Job because of his goodness. Satan was a vagabond, to and fro, just like Cane in the land of Nod. Job's friends charged him with hypocrisy because he was greatly afflicted. Satan, because of Job's great prosperity wanted to do him in. However, God allowed Satan to do these things to poor Job for God's glory. Isn't it great that God has Satan on a chain. The Devil has limited power. The place>>Satan met with God. And the afflictions of Job was at his estate.
---catherine on 6/8/07

Job 38:

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
---Matthew on 6/7/07

God asks Job," where were you when I created the Earth" when "all the sons of God shouted for joy." Men were not here during the creation of the Earth. There was only one other creation at this time.
---Matthew on 6/7/07

To answer this Q we most know who is speaking and being spoken of in Job1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of Yahueh (the host of spirits in heaven) came to present themselves before Yahushua (in heaven), and Satan came also among them.(Satan also was invited to this meeting). V7
---Toby on 6/7/07

ContV7 And Yahushua said unto Satan (We know it is Yahushua because Yahueh does not look on sin), Whence comest thou? (Q. Where did you come from?) Then Satan answered Yahushua, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. (The place which is at this time his home and where his throne is situated, for now) V8
---Toby on 6/7/07

ContV8 And Yahushua said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that fears (correct translation: respects and or reveres) Yahueh, and hates evil? V9 Then Satan answered Yahushua, and said, Doth Job fear (respect / revere) Yahueh for nought? (Isnt Job given a blessing for this respect and reverence?)V10
---Toby on 6/7/07

ContV10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him,(protected) and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.(Satan is in essence saying the only reason Job is reverencing Yahueh is because of the blessings)V11 (Satan is trying to tempt Yahushua) But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. (read V9-V11 without breaks and we see who is still talking)
---Toby on 6/7/07

ContV12 And Yahushua said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; (notice Satan can do nothing unless he is given the power) only upon himself put not forth thine hand. (And that power can and is limited) So Satan went forth from the presence of Yahushua. (So Satan left the meeting being held in heaven) Hope this helps
---Toby on 6/7/07

1) Leon - The book of Job is a beautiful book which can be applied to our lives even today if properly understood. If the definition of an angel is a righteous and upright man in the eyes of God, then I agree with using that term angel. If, on the other hand, we are speaking of little people with chicken wings, then we have a problem. :) With that said, I will attempt to give my view on Job 1:6-12...
---Kimberly on 6/5/07

2) The Sons of God went to present themselves to God and Satan came also among them. Satan, in this case is not a spirit (unseen) but man who opposes God. So, when the Sons of God presented themselves to God. The sons of God saw Satan, they just did not recognize him for who he was. But God recognized him from the beginning because he created him.
---Kimberly on 6/5/07

3) So, God asks Satan, where did you come from?? God did not have to ask him. He knows everything and he knew Satan's purpose of being there. God chose his best servant Job as a challange to Satan. Satan says the only reason Job does what he does is because God watches over him and blesses him. God allows Satan to test Job (which all of God's children will have to encounter eventually) but forbades Satan to kill him.
---Kimberly on 6/5/07

Leon: Save your pearls. They want a doctrine of devils
They simply cant answer why there is no army of Evil Giants conqueoring the earth,the logical conclusion of thier twisted theology
It is a modern teaching of the JW coming from the Scofield Bible and is entering seminaries. Prophets of Baal
Mathew Henry did not teach it
Dwight Moody did not teach it
Wesley did not teach it
Spurgeoun did not teach it
Looked at thier Commentaries, they say OT "Sons of God" are Righteous
---TS on 5/7/07

Jack: Job was "perfect" (pious, undefiled, upright). (Job 1:8) As you know, that doesn't mean he was sinless. I believe Job, like David, was a man after God's own heart--quick to repent. (Job 40:5-6)

Job was a "son of God" (a worshipper, one who called upon the name of the Lord). (G.4:26)

The Lord says Job was His "servant", i.e., he was bonded (in a "righteous" relationship) to, he served the Lord. (Job 1:8, 2:3)
---Leon on 5/7/07

Ramon: This blog is about Job 1:6-12.

"I prefer not to discuss this with you or TS any longer."

Bye, peace! :)
---Leon on 5/6/07

Leon. I DID NOT SAY I believe the "angel" view of Genesis 6:1-4 because the majority of Bible Scholars believe it. That's your misinterpretation of my words.

I was correctly TS comment that our view is the "minority". Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't like it.

I believe the "angel" view of Gen 6:1-4 is correct because there undeniable truths to it. But again, I prefer not to discussion this with you or TS any longer.
---Ramon on 5/5/07

Leon. #2 *You think the scholars who support your "angels" theory must be right because you say they're in the majority. Not so! (Pv. 3:7)*

Never said that!. Again, yes, our view is the majority belief of Renowned Scholars, but I never said I believe it because they do.

The angel interpretation of Gen 6:1-4 is the most biblical one. The "Sethite" view does not account for many things and its contradictory to say the least.
---Ramon on 5/5/07

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Leon. #3 Your belief concerning Gen 6:1-4 (etc) are obviously false and does not make sense, but I do not wish to discussion this with you any longer. You will not change your mind. Neither will I. I hope you understand!

While Bible Scholars have "in depth" knowledge of Scriptures, I do not based my beliefs solely on what they believe.

I do not know where you got that I "have a majority rules mentality." I was correctly TS false information . . .thats it.
---Ramon on 5/5/07

Where'd you come from Ramon? :)

You have a "majority rules" mentality. You think the scholars who support your "angels" theory must be right because you say they're in the majority. Not so! (Pv. 3:7)

God is not impressed with our numbers or numerous high-minded opinions. In fact, He (throughout the Bible) always uses the least to accomplish the most good so "we" may see it's not us but Him. God rules!!!
---Leon on 5/5/07

*Not every Scholar holds your view. In fact yours is a minority view.*

Actually, you are wrong. Today, there are many scholars who hold to the "angel" view of Gen 6. It is not in the "minority" view.

G. H. Pember, M. R. DeHaan, C. H. McIntosh, F. Delitzsch, A. C. Gaebelein, A. W. Pink, Donald Grey Barnhouse, Henry Morris, Merril F. Unger, Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Hal Lindsey, and Chuck Smith, being among the best known. If you do research,you find your statements to be false.
---Ramon on 5/5/07

#2Second, the "angel" went under attack in the 5th century a.d. It was not held by anyone, Jew or Christian, prior to the 3rd century A.D. Actually, The "Sethite" view came about around 400 A.D.

The strange events recorded in Genesis 6 were understood by the ancient rabbinical sources, as well as the Septuagint translators, and Early Church Fathers, as referring to angels and humans.

Thereby the "seth" view was not the majority view of the early Church either.
---Ramon on 5/5/07

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"why did they meet in the land of Uz?" Johnlovesginalyn: Above all else God certainly was in control of the circumstances & knew Satan would be coming thru the land. (Job 1:6-8) Remember, Satan (formerly Lucifer) was a former servant to God before he rebelled. In verse eight God throws down the gauntlet before Satan, " servant Job...". Satan accepted the challenge. I believe that's why "Uz".
---Leon on 5/4/07

Not every Scholar holds your view. In fact yours is a minority view.

Actually, no its not. Do the research TS. It is a majority view in the scholarly community. Also you believe hell is not eternal but is temporary is that a majority view TS? Or is that a minority? I'm afraid it's best I don't discuss anything wiht you anymore because you believe in lies. In universalism.
---Matthew on 5/4/07

*Again, where is the Army of Evil Giants conqueoring this planet?*

I have no idea what you are talking about. The majority of the scholarly community that hold the view that Genesis 6 is talking about angels. Please don't you ever call me a JW. I am not one.
---Matthew on 5/4/07

mathew: Spiritual things are Spiritually discerned. Not every Scholar holds your view. In fact yours is a minority view.

Again, where is the Army of Evil Giants conqueoring this planet?

You hold a JW Doctrine. Good sincere people but sincerely misled.

I clearly pointed the fallacies Scripture by Scripture in the other post but you will not recieve it.
---TS on 5/4/07

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Thanks Matthew for your input. You're right, I will continue to believe the sons of God mentioned in the OT & NT were godly men, not angels. Regardless of the numerous scholarly translations I believe the Bible, by God's design, adequately explains itself. Unless the Lord says otherwise, I will continue to stand my ground in this matter.

As mentioned in another blog, this isn't a salvation issue. Yet, I believe we should always be open to God's truth above all else. Peace. :)
---Leon on 5/4/07

If you look in Daniel there is a time when he has an accuser accusing him while the Lord protects Daniel.
There seems to be a place where the Lord and the accuser meet to discuss. Jesus is our positive advocate.
What i really want to ask is why did they meet in the land of Uz
---johnlovesginalyn on 5/4/07

You're right on track TS & obviously see where I'm going with my question. :)

Eloy & Rebecca_D said it took place on earth. I agree. The sons of God were godly men who gathered before the Lord to praise, worship & lift their petitions to Him. It seems apparent Job was among them.

The talks between the Lord & Satan occured, on earth, while the sons of God worshipped the Lord. However, the godly men weren't aware of the talks between the two spirit beings, i.e., God & Satan.
---Leon on 5/4/07

The Darby,New Life Version,Holman Christian Standard Bible have Sons of God.

TS, Leon I understand you may argue that we shouldn't use newer translations and I agree, but the point is I can't find one translation that translates sons of God in the OT to righteous. Whenever Sons of God in the OT is not used it is instead translated to angels. There is a simple and logical reason for that.
Ask ANY scholar what the word Sons of God in the OT means and the simple reason will be revealed.
---Matthew on 5/3/07

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TS,Leon there is no reason for me to argue this subject. It is clear you will probably continue believing what you believe which is fine. The point is Sons of God means angels whether you want to believe it or not. I believe Hebrew scholars who have been studying these words and there meanings for years before you.
---Matthew on 5/3/07

NIV "One day the angels [a] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan [b] also came with them."

New American Standard Bible
"One day the angels [a] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan [b] also came with them."

The Message
6-7 One day when the angels came to report to God, Satan, who was the Designated Accuser, came along with them. God singled out Satan and said, "What have you been up to?"
---Matthew on 5/3/07

Amplified Bible
6Now there was a day when the sons (the angels) of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan (the adversary and accuser) also came among them.

New Living Translation
One day the members of the heavenly court[a] came to present themselves before the Lord, and the Accuser, Satan,[b] came with them.

6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan[a] also came among them.
---Matthew on 5/3/07

Contemporary Englush Version
6One day, when the angels [a] had gathered around the LORD, and Satan [b] was there with them,

New King James Version
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan[a] also came among them.

American Standard Version
6 Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan also came among them.
---Matthew on 5/3/07

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Young's Literal Translation

6And the day is, that sons of God come in to station themselves by Jehovah, and there doth come also the Adversary in their midst.

New International Translation Readers Version
6 One day angels came to the Lord. Satan also came with them.

6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
---Matthew on 5/3/07

Good question...

My guess is that the Sons of God came before the Lord in Prayer...while Satan was walking to and fro over the Earth.

Very similar to how the Sons of God today come to the Lord in prayer while Satan walks "to and fro over the earth like a roaring lion seeking whom he might devour"
---TS on 5/3/07

"...has no relevance." I respectfully disagree Jacques. Everything said in the Bible is helpful, useful & applicable towards the end of instructing all Christians in righteousness. (2 Tim 3:16)

"Where" (locality) is very relevant towards seeing "who" (personality) was there. We know who God & Satan are; but, just who (specifically) were the "sons of God" in Job 1:6-12? I believe the answer is found in the location, location, location. :)
---Leon on 5/3/07

Where it takes place has no relevance. What matters is , the cosenquences of breaking your hedge. When you break your hedge you give unclean spirits the legal right to enter your body.
---Jacques on 5/2/07

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Where--in heaven, on earth? The neutral response was somewhere, "before the Lord". Interesting!

My question specifically addresses locality. I believe it's important for Christians to understand Satan was cast out of heaven (Is. 14:12-16). So, did he really have the perogative to return there & defiantly confront the Lord? Also, Job 1:6 & 2:1 both speak of "a day" wherein the sons of God & Satan appeared before the Lord. Does the Bible say there are days in heaven?
---Leon on 4/28/07

All of this took place in heaven. Whenever you see Sons of God oftentimes messengers it is referring to Angels in O/T. Good Angels as well as evil were required to present themselves before God when the Lord commanded. I believe the man Jacob wrestled with was an Angel. He blessed Jacob because at daybreak he had to worship God. Gen32:24-28
---valerie on 4/26/07

Job was not in heaven but the conversation between God and Satan was. In verse 7 God asks Satan in other words where are you comming from (give an account)!! Satan said from going to and fro or back and forth all over ther earth. In verse 12 Satan after the conversation left the presence of God after receiving instructions and permission to afflict Job.
---Valerie on 4/26/07

They were not in heaven. They were on earth, in the land of UZ. If you would read in vs 7, the Lord asks Satan where he came from, Satan said, he was walking to and fro in the earth. Satan had his eyes on Job. Because he knew that Job feared God. If you read vs, 13 it says they came together in the Eldest brother's house.
---Rebecca_D on 4/26/07

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** Leon: The answer to your question is before the Lord.**

And where was the Lord?

And if Job were "perfect", then what does this make of the scriptures that say ALL have sinned and NONE is righteous?

Can't have it both ways.
---Jack on 4/25/07

In the Middle East, in the land of Uz, near Teman. Please read Job 1:1; 4:1.
---Eloy on 4/25/07

Satan was the acuser of mankind before God and when God told Satan that Job was "perfect", Satan basically told God that it was only because God had spoiled Job with riches in his life. He told God that if he took all the riches away and cursed Job, that he would turn against God. God did not believe this and told Satan that he would allow Job to fall into the hands of Satan to lose all that he had and be cursed but that Satan could not Kill him. God was showing confidence of Jobs loyality.
---jody on 4/25/07

---YARI on 4/25/07

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Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves BEFORE THE LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Leon: The answer to your question is before the Lord.
---Shawn.M.T on 4/25/07

It took place in heaven.
---Rickey on 4/25/07

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