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Do Our Works Save Us

Titus 3:5-6," Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"
"Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour" Why do some believe our works save us?

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Lovable Linda: I can't speak for SDA, but Mormons believe that salvation is through Christ and is not based upon works, but on Christs atonement. Mormons, use another word for what "works" does relate to. That term is "exaltation" in essence it is similar to "eternal reward". Meaning that every person will, after being saved/resurrected, receive a reward based on faithfulness in living and repenting. Think of Christ teaching of the parable of the talents.
---chris on 12/20/07

As Christians we should love and obey God's Commandments, not because doing so saved us, but because we are saved by grace through faith in God's gift of love in Christ, who bore our sins on the tree of crucifixion." For if, when we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life". Praise God forever more. Romans 5:10.
---catherine on 12/20/07

Our eternal salvation is only by the grace of God. (Tit. 3:5-6, Eph. 2:8, Acts 15:11, 2 Tim 1:9).

Our eternal salvation is made apparent to others by our works (James 2:21, 25).

Our works are important (Matt 5:16, IPet 2:12).

Last of all, Paul is a true Apostle (2 Peter 3:15, Acts 9:15).
If you reject the Apostle Paul, do not be mad at me, take it up with the Apostle Peter, and the Lord God Almighty.

To my true bretheren in Christ, God's speed.
---trey on 12/20/07

Our works can not save us if you look at it with a carnal mind. Christ said "This is the work of God that you believe on HIm who He hath sent". Faith without works is dead. You can say you have faith, but if your works do not show it, you are dead (spiritually speaking)
---jody on 12/19/07

Janet, Jesus gave His 12 the task to go to the nations (Matt. 28:20, Mk. 16:15,16, John 17:20,21) to teach and baptize them. Why would Jesus need another to go to the gentiles? He prayed for their words to be read and understood! He did not do this with Paul--did He? Jesus said that ONLY those that love and abide in Him are those that the Father loves, (John 14). My bet is ONLY upon Him! If you love Him, then you must show Him by keeping ALL of the commandments! (Jn. 14:15) All else is lip service.
---Dr._Rich on 12/19/07

SDA's believe in salvation by works, as do the Mormons, JW's and other cults.
---lovable_linda on 12/19/07

Some want to have their cake and eat it to.
Works and faith.One cannot be without the other.Works of the spirit is what it refer
to as works.Goodness,giving love,heaping
others and expressing His BORN-AGAIN image of Re-birth SPIRITUALITY TO THE WORLD.
You can do works,but doing good in itself do
not save us.Read Matt.7 v 21-23,and tell me.
if works can save you.
---Jack_8773 on 12/19/07

Everybody has a right to their beliefs. But be careful in how you determine WHAT to believe. There is no Court of Appeals on Judgment Day. If you follow false gods or false prophets, or if you refuse to follow the real God and His real prophets because you think they are false, there is no "oops" on Judgment Day either. Do not follow what is interesting, easy or convenient. Seek Truth.
---Greyrider on 12/19/07

Paul a false prophet? Paul was chosen by God to be the apostle to the Gentiles and that means all of us. I can't believe some of the comments that are made here.
---janet on 12/19/07

Don't base you belief in anyone dead or alive other than Jesus Christ alone. Paul was a false apostle (Col.1:24). Where is 'grace' in the Ten Virgin prophecy? If all we needed was 'grace' then what is keeping Jesus from coming? Google 'Clementine Homily 17:19' (Simon is AKA for Paul)
---Dr._Rich on 12/19/07

James 2:24
(KJV) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
(NKJV) You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
(NASB)You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Obviously works are involved. Merely intellectual faith does NOT save you. But notice, it says "works" it does NOT say a man is saved by "HIS works".
---Greyrider on 12/19/07

We are not saved by works and that is for sure but if a person is saved for any period of time and does no good works I couldn't help but wonder but only God knows.
---shirley on 12/19/07

James is not "complimenting" what Paul said, but correcting misperceptions people had from reading and listening to Paul. Paul definitely emphasized grace far beyond any other writer in the N.T. and perhaps went too far. James (and Peter) tried to reign in the excesses of those who disregarded the need to truely repent and live righteous lives, all because of a mistaken concept of "grace". Paul, at one point, also tried to reign things in a little.
---Stephen on 12/19/07

By mercy, through faith, we are saved. Our works do not save us. Our works are a result of our faith.
---Flo on 12/19/07

Trying to teach theology in soundbites can be very misleading. If you say salvation is "faith alone" and leave it at that, a simple two word phrase, do you realize what you're saying? Those demons who acknowledged Jesus as Savior, are they now in heaven? There are different TYPES of faith. Someone can believe that Jesus is God and understand from an intellectual standpoint that He died for our sins, but refuse to submit to His Lordship. They have faith to some extent. Are they saved?
---Greyrider on 12/19/07

#5. when at great personal risk she protected the messengers of God, (Joh 2:4, 15, 6:17, Heb. 11:31). On the contrary the James compliments Paul's writings that salvation is determined by faith alone (Eph. 2:8,9) and demonstrated by faithfulness to obey God's will alone (Eph. 2:10). "But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it. who indeed bears fruit and produces, some a hundrethfold, some sixty, some thirty"
---Mark_V. on 12/19/07

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#6. All true believers produce fruit, some more then others. All true believers hear and all understand. The mercy of God is in question here. The Atonement is also questioned. One passage taken out of context compromises all the other passages that speak on behalf of faith. Take out the DVD, "The case for Christ" and you will see one man to prove Jesus work on the cross and His resurrections was false, and found true faith. When you know the truth, the truth will set you free.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/07

There's a spirit of unbelief which is trying to undermine the sufficiency of the atonement of Christ, and the lack of the Holy Spirit in the life's of believers. It is demonstrated by their insistance that Works saves. Not the mercy of God. The Atonement becomes worthless, The Holy Spirit regenerating anyone to life, meaningless. The power of Christ to sustain us till the end false. Man in control, not God. This same people say they committed their lives to Christ, but they have no faith in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/07

#2. All of the word of God is true when read as a whole in the context for which it was written. James 2:20-26 does not contradict the teachings of Paul that "Abraham was justified before God by grace alone through faith alone."(Romans 3:20, 4:1-25, Gal. 3:6,11). If works brought salvation, all other passages would be false. One passage read out of context will always do that. If we read the message cleary we find three reasons why James is not contradicting Paul's teaching's.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/07

1. James already stressed that salvation is a gracious gift in (1:17,18)
2. In the middle of this disputed passages, verse 23 James quoted Gen. 15:6 which forcefully claims that God credited righteousness to Abraham solely on the basis of his faith, where he mentioned that Scripture was fulfilled.
3. The work that James said justified Abraham in the context was his offering up of Isaac (Gen. 22:9,12), an event that occured many years after he first exercised faith
---Mark_V. on 12/19/07

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#4 and was declared righteous before God (Gen 12:1-7, 15:6).
Instead, Abraham offering of Isaac, demonstrated the genuineness of his faith and the reality of his justification before God. The evidence that one has faith is demonstrated by his works. In the case of Abraham it was found in the offering of Isaac. The same holds true for Rehab. The O.T. records the content fo her faith, which was the basis of her justification before God (Josh 2:17). She demonstrated the reality of her saving faith
---Mark_V. on 12/19/07

Satan's demons displayed an intellectual faith. They acknowledged Jesus as Savior, but refused to accept Him as Lord. (Luke 4:34, later referenced in James 2:19) That type of faith alone cannot save you. But when you have faith to the degree that it is manifested in works, you shall be saved. These works are NOT OURS, they are of the Holy Spirit working in us. But as James 2:14-24 says, these works must be present. We are saved by OUR faith and HIS works. Both are necessary.
---Greyrider on 12/18/07

James 2:17 brings home the point that faith without works is dead. A heart felt study of the bible will help us to see what constitutes good works. The main activity in Jesus ministry was teaching others about his Father. Today, we have the holy scriptures to guide us to be footstep follows of Christ.
---Poppy on 12/18/07

Catherine I like you, put this statement is outrageous."
God said to me one time it is because they are trying to find an easier way to get to heaven", other than the Blood I suppose.
---catherine on 12/17/07" if God said I suppose that would mean that he was guessing. And we are certain that is impossible. So you must have misunderstood.
---mima on 12/18/07

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If being born again will show in our works as Christ works in us, then a good many of us "born againers" really haven't been born again and maybe we need to go back and see where we missed something. "If you love me, keep my commandments". Even I sometimes wonder if I have too little love for Christ, because my weaknesses still too often show.
---samuel on 12/18/07

No we are not saved by works we are saved by grace. Once you become born again and you begin to mature spiritually and walk in the spirit you will be inspired to do good works. It's a second by second walk but YHWH is working within you for His good pleasure.
---Michael on 12/17/07

God said to me one time it is because they are trying to find an easier way to get to heaven", other than the Blood I suppose.
---catherine on 12/17/07

"by there works ye shall know them". Christ does not say that the works "are them", but it shows who they are. Given this, it seems nonsense to act like we can separate faith from works and end up with anything meaningful. Our faith must show in our works, or we are deficient in faith. Sometimes I see faith and works as two handles of a large heavy pot and we argue over who has hold of the right handle, when the best way would be to grab firmly ahold of both handles.
---samuel on 12/17/07

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YOur faith has saved / healed you....Jesus says as a beleiver and servant of the should act on your faith and do the will of God which consists of works for Him.
---lisa on 12/8/07

---Emcee on 12/7/07
Gods love is not human love, to tell the truth is love even if it hurts who you are telling it to. It is not love to say nothing and watch people perish. Gods love hurt Jesus and put him on the cross to save sinners. Human love would not allow Jesus to perish, it would have saved him, and all mankind would go to hell.
---exzucuh on 12/8/07

Titus 3:8 I want you to insist on these points, that those who have believe in God be careful to devote themselves to good works, these are excellent and beneficial to others. (It's always good to read the whole passage and not take verses out of context.)
---janet on 12/7/07

Eloy ::You speak of love of neighbour with eloquence & fervently, but yet, in other posts you condemn your RC brothers WHY??is this not breaking Gods 2nd commandment as you call it.?what is most strange you even talk like a Catholic & believe in works by salvation.AMEN
---Emcee on 12/7/07

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Most so-called Christians are disobeying the 2nd Command of God. The 1st command most will obey, which is, love God, but the 2nd command is equally important, which is, love your neighbor (Mark 12:29-31). This Golden Rule in Matthew 7:12 is most important to God. Please read what Jesus says about doing works for salvation in Matthew 7:12,19-27, 25:34-46.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

The law is, love God first and completely, and love your neighbor as yourself. The Golden Rule (Matthew 7:12, James 2:8) is obligatory to the Christian, and the reward for obedience is eternal. "If you all love me, my commandments keep. For we must all appear before the judgment throne of Christ, that every one may receive the things in body, according to that he has done, whether good or bad." John 14:15, II Corinthians 5:10.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

When you believe that works are unnecessary, you are deceived in believing in cheap grace, which is unfounded in Scripture: for God's grace is not free but instead costs your whole entire life, else you have no grace but a delusion. Peter did not experience Gods grace by staying in the boat, but he received Gods grace only after he acted, by stepping out of the boat and walking towards Jesus, then Gods grace sustained him on top of the water, and not before.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

Everywhere in scripture it reads that every person is rewarded according to their works which they have done. God the Master will repay each person what they have earned, whether everlasting paradise for working God's will, or everlasting damnation for not working God's will.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

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Not keeping the law would be open rebellion and anarchy. After salvation the Christian keeps the law of Christ by nature, rather then externally to endeavor to be justified. For no flesh is justified by keeping the law, but only by God's pity to us are we saved. So we should not sin in order to gain God's reconciliation, for when we obey him then there is no need for sacrifice.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

"If you all love me, my commandments keep. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." John 14:15, 1 John 5:3.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

Coming to God is a work, humbling yourself is a work, praying is a work, accepting the gospel is a work, confessing your sins is a work, repenting from sin is a work, etc. Jesus said obedience is necessary for salvation, that is obeying HIS Commandments. You must be a DOER of his word, else there is NO salvation in you. People either serve righteousness or else people serve sin, but you must serve, no one cannot not serve Christ and still be saved, that is a delusion.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

James 2:20 is the truth. There is a major false doctrine today which says, "faith-only", salvation is by faith only, works are vain and unnecessary, and do no works for salvation. This lie of "do nothing" for salvation has led many into becoming barren trees and trees polluted with unrepented sin, and the end of those deceived by this deadly lie will be the eternal abyss. True love is action, it is not belief only but it is full of works, this is the Command: Do the works of Christ.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

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Grace most certainly does have conditions, there is absolutely no grace granted without repentance. It is required to turn away from sin and turn to the Lord in repentance before the Lord will give grace, else refusing to repent the soul will stay condemned.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

the truth of God is: no work for God, then no heaven for you. That's God's Law, for what you give is what you get, therefore if you give nothing to God, then you get nothing back from God: God Commands mankind to Work, and he will only convert what you give him. There are millions of workless and condemned "so-called" christians, which are called christian in name only but have no fruit, and therefore will be thrown into everlasting hell for it.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

There are particular requirements which are clearly spelled out in the Scripture that must be done by a sinner in order to obtain God's salvation. And if you wrongly believe that there is nothing to be done to be saved, then you are condemned, for if you do nothing at all for salvation, then likewise you will get no salvation at all. And so you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

It really comes down to this: Jesus said, "If you all love me, My Commandments keep." Both testaments say, CHOOSE this day whom you will serve. Idolaters do not go to heaven and they are not Christian, no matter if they wrongly call themself Christian or if they are deluded into wrongly believing that they are Christian. You cannot serve idolatry and Christ. So CHOOSE this day which one you will serve. Do you want Christ? or do you want your false religion: You cannot have both.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

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Jesus said, only the DOERS ARE SAVED.Matthew 7:21-27, 25:19-46. "What profits my brothers, though a person say he has faith, and have not works? can faith save him? Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone. But will you know, O vain person, that faith without works is dead? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2:14,17,20,26.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

Many people call themselves Christian, when they have no fruit proving what they say. A tree is known by the fruit it bears, whether it be a good tree or a bad tree, whether saved or damned. Jesus never said, Do nothing and I will save you, on the contrary, Christ Commanded specific things to Do in order to be saved, of which if one does Not Do that soul is not saved.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

If you say you trust in Jesus, but no good works follow what you say that you believe, then you are what the Bible refers to as: the cursed, the sinuous, the unregenerate, the damned, the crooked, the separated, the goats, the sons of darkness, the children of the devil, hypocrites, the liar, the unjust, the corrupt, the sinner, wicked and slothful servant, the disobedient, the hardhearted and stiffnecked, the antiChrist, the evil tree, the hated, the whited tomb, the dead, the burning tare.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

A christian who doesn't do anything, is worse than evil. A christian who bears no fruit, have a name christian, but they don't witness nor serve Christ. It is salt that loses its savor, worthless, thrown out and trampled of men. The branch that bears no fruit is gathered of men, and thrown into the fire, and they are burned. If you are redeemed by Christ then say so- tell the world, shout it from the house tops, go into the highways and biways and compell them to come into the marriage feast of the Lord
---Eloy on 12/7/07

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You can never buy God's grace, love and salvation. Salvation is earned in the sense that when you obey the Lord's Word, he in turn keeps his end of the Covenant and rewards the obedient with Salvation, and when you do nothing (no service) for salvation, then you receive no salvation. PLEASE READ MATTHEW 7:17-27, 25:34-46. God's Command is GO and DO THE WORKS OF CHRIST, and his Command is NOT, Do not go and Do nothing and you will be saved.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

Works Save: Matthew 5:16,20,42-44+ 7:12,19-21,24-27+ 16:27+ 25:21-30,34-46+ Mark 16:15,16+ Luke 10:25-28+ John 11:25+ 5:28,29+ 14:15+ II Corinthians 5:9,10+ Philippians 2,12+ James 1:22, 2:8,14-26+ Revelation 20:12,13+ 22:12-15.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

It is not in Scripture, and no where did Jesus say, "Do no works and you will be righteous", nor did he say "the righteousness of God cost nothing." On the contrary he said, "He that DOES THE WILL of my Father will enter into heaven, WELL DONE, GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT: enter into the joy of your lord." He did NOT SAY, "He that believes in the Father will enter into heaven, Well believed, good and faithful believer: enter into the joy of your Lord."
---Eloy on 12/7/07

Many know not the truth and misapply Scripture. "Whoever for grace to be saved on account of which faith, and this not from you, God's gift, not from work, that not somebody might boast. For his doing to be created in Christ Jesus, onto good works, which God who before prepared, that in them we should walk." Ephesians 2:8,9, and 10. We are created for what? he says, "Good Works". And we should walk in what? again he says, "Good Works".
---Eloy on 12/7/07

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The Bible does not read, Do not work for salvation, instead, the Bible reads, Do the works of Christ else you have no salvation. I work for God because it is our duty and we are Commanded to work, and 2nd I work for God because I know that he above all is faithful, and 3rd I work for God because I am in him and he in me, I love God and I always do what pleases him. God does not want people to serve him only when they feel like it, but always and at all times. Please read Matthew 21:28-32, Luke 14:25-35.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

Love is more then a noun, it's also a verb, an action word. We are commanded to Go preach to the lost, feed the hungry, quench the thirsty, be a friend to the friendless and a father to the fatherless, clothe the naked, visit the infirmed and imprisoned, heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. "Love the stranger and love your enemies...By this will all know that you all are my disciples, if you all have love one to another." Matthew 5:43,44, John 13:34,35.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

The verses before and after your false doctrine read: "Put them in mind to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work. A faithful saying, and these things I will that you affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men." Titus 3:1,8 The truth is, when you do no work for God, then you will be condemned to hell.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

Jesus was very clear: We each are judged according to our works, and not only according to what we profess with our lips. He said that Every tree which bears no fruit will be thrown into everlasting hell fire along with every tree which bears bad fruit. Why? Because his Command is not only believe, for even devils believe, but instead his Command is, DO. Only the DOERS ARE SAVED. And faith without works is 100% dead.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

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Jesus says: "For the Son of man will come in the glory who's Father of him, with the angels of him, then he will reward to each according to the works of them." Matthew 16:28.
---Eloy on 12/7/07

God's grace is merited, not unmerited: If you repent you will receive God's grace, but if you do not repent you will not receive God's grace but instead you will receive God's wrath.
---Eloy on 12/7/07


Amen! I believe every word of your last post.

May the Lord bless you,
---trey on 12/6/07

They are not saved and do not understand grace. That is why some believe they need to work their way to heaven. Anyone who is saved will have a desire to please God and good works will follow them but they do not put their hope in the works. Nor do they brag or command others to do works similar to theirs.:)
---jody on 12/6/07

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Titus is talking about Judaism the old covenant serving Moses rather than the new Covenant, Faith without works is dead, James was talking about works by the Law of the Spirit of life that is in Christ Jesus, that if that Spirit is in you it will give life to your dead body and you will walk in the Spirit by the power you receive and not fulfill the lust of your flesh.
---Exzucuh on 12/6/07

WORKS are integral with the belief in Almighty God.Just as you have 2 hands to Help,Yourself & others.You have 2 legs to walk upright,but you can also use the legs to kick against the goad. Its YOUR choice. These extremeties with your head, are used to STRIVE and lead you to salvation your ultimate GOAL.
---Emcee on 12/6/07

lisa: I agree with you that the two must be together in order for our faith to be the meaningful faith that is required. The truth of the matter is that we humans try to "parse" God's words. We wish to make faith meaningless by saying that it would not be evidenced in our works. Others may think that works without faith is going to do it. Either of these that seperate the two, will not save us.
---samuel on 12/6/07

Trey, that's correct. We do NOT earn salvation by performing good works. Any good works in our lives are by the power of the Holy Spirit operating within us through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. However, there are different types of faith. A saving faith is one that will manifest itself in good works. It is our faith that saves us, but it is our works that show that our faith is real and not just lip service.
---Greyrider on 12/6/07

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You referred to Eph 2:8-10. v.8 & 9 state that our salvation is not of works, else we would be able to boast.

v.10 states that we are God's workmanship (the thing he made), created in Christ Jesus unto good works (for good works), which God hath before ordained (made ready) that we should walk in them. - Not that we are saved by these works, or to be saved by works, but because we are saved, we do these works (evidence of our salvation).-See Gal. 5:22-25.

Bless you,
---trey on 12/5/07

1Chor15:22-23 Christ's grace will resurrect us all. 'Saved' is more than resurrection. It includes justification(being made clean). It requires true faith that causes us to repent and live better. God will not be mocked. He will not "save" us just to have us turn around and mock him by being more evil in our thoughts and actions. Faith and Grace save us. But faith must be more than just words or intellectual knowledge, it must compel us to act.(James 2:14-22)
---samuel on 12/5/07

For 2000 years, the RCC has always taught that death-bed conversions DO send people to heaven. But the Scriptures clearly teach that works play a part (Ephesians 2:8-10, James 2:14-24, Galatians 5:19-21, Philippians 2:12)
---Greyrider on 12/5/07


Quick question: If someone was born again one minute and then died the next, would they go to heaven?

Titus 3:5 says, it's not our righteous works that save us.

Truth is we are saved by works. The works performed by Christ on the cross at Calvary and by the work of the Holy Spirit, and also by the work of God the Father in covenenting with the Son before the foundation of the world.
---trey on 12/4/07

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Many misguided American Catholics do not know Rome's teaching. Works ARE part of our salvation, but not OUR works. If we have true saving faith (and not just intellectual acknowledgment of the existence of God), then the Holy Spirit will perform good works through us. So we ARE saved by faith AND works, but salvation is a gift, because the works are not of our own origin, but rather, the work of God, we do not earn it. Christ earned it at Calvary.
---Greyrider on 12/4/07

Works comes with the Faith territory. You can not separate the two.
---lisa on 12/4/07

Jim :: If Grace is a free Gift then why did God say if you love me Keep my commandments.You know you lose your grace by sin."Strive be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect.FOLLOW ME". Jesus was free from sin even as a man.
---Emcee on 12/3/07

Mima...There is nothing that you or i can do to achieve salvation.If we could do anything to merit salvation..then grace would not be grace.It is a free gift of God through faith alone in Christ alone.Yes we will be known by our fruits..which is a product of our works. We are made righteous in Christ Jesus(faith righteousness).Those in Christ will always want to be obedient.
---JIM on 12/3/07

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Because Jesus said, only the DOERS ARE SAVED.Matthew 7:21-27; 25:19-46. "What profits my brothers, though a person say he has faith, and have not works? can faith save him? Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone. But will you know, O vain person, that faith without works is dead? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2:14,17,20,26.
---Eloy on 5/17/07

This question keeps coming up. OSAS find it convenient to accuse of saying works save, because we said works are necessary for salvation. Why do they quote the bible in part but not in full, to see that works alone cannot save us...we are saved by grace, but justified (not qualified) unto grace by works. So grace alone cannot save us either--grace alone is grace unutilized. Works and grace! OSAS, next time you want to quote scripture, pls don't quote some and skip others like James 2:21,24:
---Okebaram on 5/17/07

#2James 2:21,24: "Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."
And doesn't the bible say we are justified by faith (not works of the law). But doesn't it go further to say that faith without works of love is DEAD. So without works, how can you be justified unto undeserved grace?
---Okebaram on 5/17/07

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