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Baptise Kids A Second Time

My ex-hub went behind my back & baptised our children catholic. Since then, the courts have not allowed him to involve the children in catholic ritual (sacraments). The children are now older & are saved & WANT to be baptised. Is it OK to do a 2nd baptism now that they are saved and new Christians?

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 ---Debbie_in_Ohio on 5/5/07
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Renewal of Baptismal vows is commendable But being re baptised serves no purpose spiritually as because it is a one time iniation ceremony to the church of God .Does one need to be iniated Twice?
---Emcee on 1/7/08

I see nothing wrong with it. If they want to be baptized since they became Christians, by all means let them do this. It shows good favor toward God. Never stop them for doing anything for God.
---Rebecca_D on 1/7/08

I would point out that in the third century, the Church did not stop baptising infants, but converts tended to delay baptism for as long as possible, even until their death bed (which was not always a good idea).
---lorra8574 on 5/21/07

That's alright Debbie, my Church accepts baptisms at any age. And one of the purposes of Baptism is to bring one into the Family of God, just as circumcision and dedication do.

In the early Church infants were baptised and this was not changed until the third Century. The first discussion on when to Baptize involved whether Christians had to wait eight days like the Jews did with circumcision, it was decided that we don't.
---lorra8574 on 5/20/07

Lorra:Thank you. I read the passages & they indeed did say "households" & such.I prayed over these passages & still came to the understanding that only those old enough to make the decision on their own are truly "saved" & thus baptism becomes the next step. As for why deny baptism to my children/infants, it is unnecessary until they are of an age to understand,repent & ask the Lord into their heart. Our church holds a "dedication". No baptism until one has the inward change.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 5/19/07

Debbie, of course:

Acts 16:15
1 Corinthians 1:16
Acts 10 about Cornelius and his relatives and friends, no birth control means babies were likely.

Note that in Judaism, boys were circumcised at 8 days. But they never circumcised the young children of non-believers.
---lorra8574 on 5/18/07

Debbie, see also 1 Cor 7:14. If your children are holy because you are a believer, and the children of unbelievers are "unclean", then why would you deny your own children "baptism"?
---lorra8574 on 5/18/07

Lorra: Could you give scripture references of entire households being baptized in the NT? I thought it was for believers only ... and I'm sure that some "whole households" were not all believers. Just wanted to read the scriptures myself that you mentioned. Thank you!
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 5/18/07

Debbie in Ohio, the Catholic Church recognises all properly administered baptisms regardless of denomination. In the NT, entire households were baptised without any restrictions mentioned, and Paul likened Baptism to circumcision, so early Jewish Christians would have naturally baptised their infants. Of course it is Faith in Christ that saves, not baptism, which is why only children born to believing Christians capable of passing on their faith through proper instruction were baptised.
---lorra8574 on 5/17/07

Debbie P2: Baptism is necessary but it is not what saves you. Children born to believers will still need to have faith in Christ to be saved. And when they are old enough they can and should accept Christ for themselves.
---lorra8574 on 5/17/07

I thought the bride of Christ were US (the believers) not a particular denomination or building. I will not pledge myself to a denomiation or building. Only to the Lord.

From scripture, it still seems to me that infants were not baptised. Only those who have come to believe in the Lord were baptised.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 5/11/07

Debbie, two things.

One, I would point out that the Church is the Body of Christ or Bride of Christ not any particular building. Faith in Christ saves, but you cannot accept Jesus and then deny His Bride.
---lorra8574 on 5/10/07

Debbie: Two, Baptism is an ordinance. As a new Christian, you would recieve Baptism after having accepted Christ, but your children may be baptised at any time. This does not mean that they are automatically "saved", they are merely accepted into the Church - 1 Cor 7:14. By virtue of their birth to a believing Christian, they are holy instead of unclean. Other than this, they would be unclean and not acceptable to be baptised until later.
---lorra8574 on 5/10/07

As a new Christian, this may be too simplified of an explanation, but it is my understanding that baptism happens AFTER one becomes saved. This doesn't happen at a specified age and certainly not as an infant. Baptism is your expression of what has changed on the inside. An infant cannot make this change. Yes, I believe as Christian parents -- we are to raise our children to know and love Christ, but then it is ultimately THEIR decision.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 5/10/07

Debbie, Baptism is not what saves you and Confirmation is a continuation of the process begun at Baptism, but it does not save you either. But they are still important because they bring you into the Mystical Body of Christ - through them, one puts on Christ - Gal 3:27 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." No one can force a child to believe, or a young adult, or an adult. Our job as parents is to raise our children as God's children.
---lorra8574 on 5/9/07

A person cannot say, I think I'm gonna get saved today. It does not work that way. The Holy Spirit has to draw the person in. Prick their heart, so to speak. a person cannot say a few words and get saved, without conviction from God. So to say that a child has to accept Christ before he/she turns a certain age is not biblical. A person, I don't care who it is, cannot accept Christ any time they want. Lorra: You need to leave the RCC, they are teaching you lies.
---Rebecca_D on 5/9/07

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Becoming saved is an individual decision. You cannot "make" someone be saved (by confirmation or otherwise). You mentioned a child accepting Jesus and the church??? It is only necessary to accept Jesus. The church is simply a building. What if a child wasn't ready for your confirmation even at 16? I know many catholics and not once has a child gone beyond age 7 without confirmation. The parents wouldn't allow it.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 5/9/07

After you accept Christ, you are supposed to be baptized by your own will. Regardless of whether someone sprinkled "holy" water on an infant, it's not baptism. It's an act of loyalty to the Catholic church. They even have you, when you get married there, to promise to raise your children Catholic- as one of the vows. Throwing water on a baby who knows nothing yet is not baptism.
---Cheryl on 5/9/07

Debbie in Ohio, I do not know either you or your ex so I can only guess at what may have gone on. I do know that here I have been told numerous times that I cannot be saved unless I leave the RCC.

As for confirmation, it varies by location from 7 years (which I thought was too young) to 16 years of age. They are prepared for this over several months so most are ready for it.
---lorra8574 on 5/9/07

Debbie P2: This is still part of an ongoing journey, not a destination. My middle son is going through confirmation at age 12, but he had accepted Jesus and the Church long before this.

Infants are only supposed to be baptised in families where they can and will be properly raised in the Faith. If there are doubts, the priest should (and many do) refuse to baptise the child until he or she is old enough to choose this for him or her self.
---lorra8574 on 5/9/07

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Lorra: I never badgered my ex-husband even when we were married as I was not saved then either. I don't badger him now as we are not married!

What is the age of confirmation? So -- every catholic must accept Jesus into their hearts at the same age? I don't understand such teachings.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 5/9/07

Debbie in Ohio, going through the motions of Catholicism is not the making of a true Catholic. There are lots of Christians who attend church services weekly, including Catholics, who then go out to sin the rest of the week. Two of those rituals in the Catholic Church do involve repenting of your sins and accepting Jesus as your saviour - they are called the Sacrament of Reconciliation and the Sacrament of Confirmation. We use different terms.
---lorra8574 on 5/8/07

Debbie P2: Your ex-husband is either a very bad Catholic (and if he lied, even by ommission, to the priest wrt the baptism then he has a problem, even if he meant well), or he was tired of you badgering him to do something he had already done years earlier and continues to do on an ongoing basis.
---lorra8574 on 5/8/07

Debbie: Your ex, will face serious judgement from God. A person says that accepting Jesus into their heart is stupid, is full of evil. Sister unless God opens up his eyes, he'll die and go to hell. Forget about purgatory, because that is a lie from the Devil's mouth.
---Rebecca_D on 5/8/07

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God's word tells us to repent daily. So why tell someone that they must repent once a year? He just like everyone else needs to seek God, not the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
---Rebecca_D on 5/8/07

Lorra: My ex was born and raised catholic. He attends mass weekly. That is why he calls himself a catholic, but he thinks repenting and asking Jesus into your heart is "stupid" and that he is saved by the rituals he performs at church. When he had our children baptized catholic, he lied to the priest & his new wife "pretended" to be the mother to the children (or it was just assumed).
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 5/8/07

Of course your saved Debbie! and God bless the decision of your children for taking that great step towards Jesus. Keep praying for them it gets harder and trials become steep but God is just and able to keep them if you continue to encourage them biblically.
---Carla5754 on 5/8/07

---Debbie_in_Ohio on 5/7/07
If your husband has not repented of his sins then he is a lousy Catholic. Once per year, if he has any serious sins, he is required to seek the Sacrament of Reconciliation. And he is not permitted to receive the Eucharist if he has committed any serious sin until he has repented and been reconciled to Christ.

If he has not accepted Jesus Christ, it must be a matter of semantics, because if he hasn't he is NOT a Catholic.
---lorra8574 on 5/7/07

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Just so all know -- I AM saved. My ex is not. He is a catholic by denomination, but he admittedly has never asked Jesus into his life or repented of his sins. He trusts sacraments and RCC rituals to save him. I do agree though -- this is about my children and them making their own choice about their salvation.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 5/7/07

What do you mean what else is there? there are lots of things to do that is good clean fun. I pray everyday as well. But I still make time for fun. God gave me a good life, and I'm going to live it to the fullest.
---Rebecca_D on 5/7/07

Scratch my last reply. It was for another blog.
---Rebecca_D on 5/7/07

When you baptise in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost your just repeating what Jesus said your not doing what he said name not names and the name is jesus So to obey what he was saying is to baptize in Jesus no where in the new testament will you find where any one was baptise in the titles they were baptise in Jesus name
---Betty on 5/7/07

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Calm, down, Calm down, My, My, Is this not a saved mother allowing her children to make the right decision when it comes to their salvation. Okay!.. so some of you have a hump about the Husband being out of the equation and rightly so. Do you not trust that she is able to make a wise choice concerning her children? Is she not SAVED! the debate is not whether they are saved or not?
---Carla5754 on 5/7/07

This is not about choices of ''the father or the mother'' this is all about the ''CHILDRENS RIGHT TO CHOOSE''. All the dunking in the world, will never save a child, and I do agree with Betty here.
---Cynthia_1 on 5/6/07

Jack: I haven't unleashed a monster.My ex is permitted to take them to mass, just not have them performing rituals.You keep saying "his" children, but they're MINE too.I have full custody & he was going behind my back & having them engage in rituals.That is why I asked the courts to intervene.This was several years ago (when they were 5 & 2).They are now 14 & 11 & are saved.They have repented of their sins & asked Jesus into their hearts. They want to take the next step which is baptism.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 5/6/07

It won't matter how many times they are baptise if they don't repent receive the Holy Ghost and then be baptise in Jesus name
they go down as a sinner and come up a wet sinner read acts 2-38
---Betty on 5/5/07

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If the children are truly born-again now, then yes let them be baptised. This is the time for them to get baptised.
---Helen_5378 on 5/6/07

I forgot to mention this, Debbie:

If the courts can interfere with the father's rights regarding the religious upbringing of his children--a violation of both First Amendment and parental rights--the courts can ALSO interfere and even revoke YOUR rights in this matter as their mother.

Think about the monster you've unleashed.
---Jack on 5/6/07

Jack: I have full custody of the children, so the courts ruled that I also have the final say in religious issues. My ex is permitted to take them to his church, but not involve them in church rituals. I was worried about them learning false doctrine, but it has actually helped them to ask questions that we research together & they learn truth from scripture rather than RCC. They even question much at mass to their father and he cannot answer or defend false doctrine.
---Debbie_in_Ohio on 5/5/07

ABSOLUTELY,Now that your children are older, they can have a second baptism, For the first one belonged only to the fathers decisions, the second one will belong to the children, especially if they were too young to know much.
---Cynthia_1 on 5/5/07

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Interesting that the courts would forbid a father to exercise his right to make such spiritual arrangements for his own children as he thought best.

If this is not a clear violation of the First Amendment--as well as of parental rights--I don't know what is.
---Jack on 5/5/07

Yes, and it's wonderful to hear they got saved and want to be baptized. This time make sure they are baptized into the name of the father, son, and holy ghost as per Scripture in Matt. 28:19. Not into a religion.
---john on 5/5/07

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