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Is Salvation A Process

Do you believe salvation is instantaneous or is salvation a process? What part does perseverance play in our salvation?

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We're able to Love God because He First Loved us and it's only through being Drawn by God's Love into the Charity of Loving our Lord, God with all our Heart, Soul & Mind, that we're able to 'Endure'(persevere) all things :FOR Charity never faileth!!

Do not be deceived, it's not of your own strength but the 'Passion of Christ' which has persevered unto Salvation. All Glory goes to God for supplying all the needs of the Chosen Elect through His Riches & Glory in Christ Jesus : Whose strength is made perfect in God's Children's weakness, enabling us to do all things, 'Persevering' in His Obedience Unto Death. (2Cor.12:9-10)
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09

Salvation is a process that begins when the Lord brings you to life, and is for all eternity. Growing in grace means just that. As we continue in our Christian life's we grow in grace as we learn more about God, walk closer to God, as we are been sanctified. No one dies to grace. So no one loses his grace. Only in the Catholic church doctrine can a person lose his grace that he got when he sins and goes to hell unless he gains it again by good deeds. Grace is a gift that comes by no merits of our own.
---Mark_V. on 5/10/08

It is a gift. It is also a part of our armour (Ephesians 6) the 'helmet' of salvation. Like gifts, and like helmets, we can easily lose it if we do not cherish it and keep it well guarded.
---frances008 on 5/8/08

Salvation, instantaneous.

Remaining faithful to God, forever.
There is no end to faithfulness to God, God is eternal.

Works are not faithfulness, perserving by works alone.
Works without faith, as a way of working your way to heaven, is not salvation.
---lisa on 5/7/08

(2.)Mima, Christians must Grow in God's Grace (Gal. 5:18),shoots down the LIE of the false doctrine "Once Saved Always Saved"(Eternal Security),

(Heb. 12:15-17):

"Ye therefore, beloved... BEWARE lest ye also,being led away with the error of the wicked,fall from your own stedfastness.But GROW IN GRACE, and in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen" (2 Peter 3:17,18).
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/6/08

Salvation is instant. The moment you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you are saved (Romans 10:9,10). It is the sanctification of the saint that is a lifelong process, whereby the Spirit of God keeps removing things from us that are not pleasing to the Lord.
---Helen_5378 on 8/14/07

Regeneration is an instantaneous event. Conversion is a process which takes time. Visit to discover the truth.
---BaptistCommentary on 8/13/07

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Are gifts a process?

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

As Jesus was strengthened for death, we have to be strengthened for persecution. He who fails to persevere persecution does not have the Spirit & is not saved.
---a_servant on 6/26/07

Salvation is instantaneous. However, if you endure to the end you shall be saved. Also, Anyone that tells you that good works are apart from Salvation is a liar. Good works, ofcourse, Won't save you. I think we all know that. But good works goes along with Salvation. The Devil is very busy these days, So, More so should God's people be fruitful with good works.
---catherine on 6/21/07

Salvation means life...Its not a process we go through or a work that we must do. Its all by grace through FAITH.
When we are saved, we have life. We are dead to sin and alive to God.
---duane on 6/20/07

Salvation is for those who believe on Jesus the Christ. God made a covenet with us. If we accept and obey Him then we wil recieve our reward. Be not deceived. God is not moked. We must obey His word!
---Paul on 6/19/07

Salvation is instantaneous. Whamo God has got you. But in order to ever reach heaven there are some things you will have to heed to. OBEY GOD is one. Learn to endure is another one. Learn to walk in LOVE is another one. Learn how to suffer with a good attitude is another one. Staying in prayer constantly asking for forgiveness is one. And keep God's Commandments! Yes!
---catherine on 6/19/07

Robyn sorry for the delay, I seem to have misplaced this blog somewhere along the way. With Jesus, we get the contract to be everything that Jesus wants for us, but if we fail to complete our part of the contract, we need to repent and that is where confession and absolution come in. Jesus did His part, we need to do ours. It is not about earning anything - we have the contract paid by blood, but we need to fulfill it.
---lorra8574 on 6/18/07

Lorra8574.American Idol is a bad analogy but I will try to tie in with it. Now the dude is Jesus. Where does confession and repentance fit in with this American Idol description of salvation? Do the contestants confess their sins of having bad or below average voices? Admit they sinned repent and receive the contract from the dude(Jesus)which symbolizes salvation? Oh well. Let me leave that alone. Very bad analogy.
---Robyn on 5/29/07

Salvation is instantaneous. We receive it through sincere confession,repentance & belief. Perseverance is very important. If we do not continue on(perseverance) in the faith we will be lost to a waiting Hell. We should eventually grow into mature christians on our journey and stand strong in the Lord. This is persevering. Learn to love Christ and others, more and more each day.
---Robyn on 5/29/07

Matthew 24:13 and Mark 13:13 "...But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved."

I thought of a way to look at salvation. In the popular TV show "American Idol" many contestants sing their hearts out to gain a great prize - a contract worth fame and wealth. Now imagine that some dude came along and said, come to me and I will give you that prize. On your own you lack the talent and rhythm to make it, but with me you will sing like angels and dance like Fred Astair.
---lorra8574 on 5/29/07

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Part 2: Now we have signed this contract with this dude and we have it all. But what has the contract provided us with? In American Idol, the winner does not retire, this is the beginning. Everything he or she does well gains more money and more fame than before. And they get to do what they wanted all along - to sing and make music.

We have a covenant with Jesus. He fulfills His end perfectly and without fail. Now we have our part.
---lorra8574 on 5/29/07

Part 3: What does Jesus ask of us? The Bible tells us this repeatedly - Love Him, follow His Commandments, Love our neighbour and follow His example. It is not hard.

We did not deserve this, we cannot earn it or pay for it, but Jesus gave it to us as a free gift without any strings. The Covenant is ours. But just like a singer has to fulfill his or her contract, we also need to fulfill our end of the covenant.
---lorra8574 on 5/29/07

Part 4: Our part is not hard. Jesus even made that easy for us. He gave us a clean slate so that we could become what was originally given to Adam and Eve. And any true Christian would want this, to Love God and Serve God, while on earth and when in Heaven.
---lorra8574 on 5/29/07

The Bible tells us to work out our salvation in fear and trembling. Salvation is a free gift of God. We can not earn it. this is simply saying that we are to walk it out.... Live it every day. We should be growing more like Christ all the time. Fear and trembling here means in reverence and awe of God.
---Tsuanne on 5/21/07

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Salvation is obtained line upon line, precept upon precept. Jesus said: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your father in Heaven is perfect. Why command us to do that if it can't be done. oh ye of little faith. we perfect ourselves in many ways. never drinking alcohol ever, not lying, commiting adultery, praying always, repenting and never doing a sin again ever. never taking or using drugs. never swearing, reading scriptures daily. living as an example of Jesus Always and not just professing his name.
---ashley on 5/21/07

#2. Yet we cannot, even by our best works, merit pardon of sin or eternal life from the hand of God, for those works are out of all proportion to the glory to come. Also, because of the infinite distance that is between us and God, our works can neither benefit God nor satisfy the debt of our former sins. When we have done all we can, we have only done our duty, and are still unprofitable servants. Besides, if our works are good they originate from the Spirit, and whatever we do is defiled
---mark on 5/21/07

#3. and mixed with so much weakness and imperfection that it cannot endure the severity of God's judment. yet, although believers are accepted as individual people through Christ, their good works also are accepted in Christ. It is not as though in this life they were entirely blameless and beyond censure in God's sight, but that He (the Father) looks upon them in His Son. And overlooks the imperfections and many weaknesses.
---mark on 5/21/07

jhonny, if that faith is in wrong doctrine, it is not true faith in Christ. There is no question on preserverence. There is no question in obedience. There is no questions as to what we should do, and not do. There is no question many don't do them all. Here you will hear some that they are perfect, Just by speaking that, they give proof, that they are so far off from the truth. There is no excuse for anyone sinning. None whatsoever. Sin brings consquences in our lives that can effect everyone around us.
---mark on 5/21/07

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Faith needs perserverence. Faith is about persuasion, belief, conviction. And yes, it must be on sound doctrine. But by choice, faith can be on unsound doctrine.
---jhonny on 5/17/07

"...which of the seven churches mentioned in the first three chapters of Revelation do you belong to?"
---Steveng on 5/15/07

This really says it all. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/17/07

#2. "Watch ye, stand fast in the faith" Faith here means sound doctrine. This faith is talking about "Pistis," from the word "peitho" In general it implies such a knowledge of, assent to, and confidence in certain divine truths, especially those of the gospel, that produce good works. Matt.8:10; 15:28; Acts 3:16; Rom. 1:17; Sometimes, however, simply a knowledge and assent to religious truths without good works and, therefore false faith, (James 2:14, 17, 18, 24, 26.
---mark on 5/17/07

Only true faith that comes from God is saving faith. You cannot get rid of it, or make it disappear. It holds to every fiber of Christ. It brings assurance to every born again believer. You can lose your faith, and doubt all you want, but that true faith from God never goes away because it is found in Christ not in man. God's faith never fails.
---mark on 5/17/07

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God helps us get through for without Him we would stay captive to our old father. God by grace carries us all through this life. We are helpless without Christ. It is all a work of God. Glory to the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
---sarah on 5/17/07

What part does perserverence play?
1Cr 16:13 "Watch ye, stand fast in the faith,.."
It is our faith we protect. Faith is immovable by perserverene. It is by faith we are established. By faith we are rescued and healed. And faith can be harmed. Various calamities, and false leadership can overtake us. Vigilance to rise up and be awake is called for. The falling away is from faith, not from organizations. A defection, resulting in a forsaking or compromise of the truth.
---jhonny on 5/16/07

"i think so we grow and we learn what he wants from us from birth to the grave and we have to preservere to get to church to get to that altar and to get past satan for he has no intentions of letting us pass go"

(Romans 11:21-22)(1 Peter 5:8)(2 Peter 3:14-18)(Ephesians 6:10-18):

Well put kay! God Bless! :)
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/16/07

i think so we grow and we learn what he wants from us from birth to the grave and we have to preservere to get to church to get to that altar and to get past satan for he has no intentions of letting us pass go
---kay on 5/15/07

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Good question mima. God our Creator has used process in the creation account. Many deny this process prefer to believe in something instantaneous. Salvation is definitely a process. A series of actions and operations to obtain a result.
---jhonny on 5/15/07

#4. These passages are all teaching passages to the believer. Be humble, sober, be vigilant. Verse 9, Resist the devil, steadfast in the Faith, that the same suffering are experienced by your brotherhood in the world." If you go to 1 Peter 5:10 it says, "But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you. To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen."
---mark on 5/15/07

#5. But you did not mean what God wanted it to mean. You twisted God's words to have your own effect. That there is many kinds of Christians, and that they will be judge and condemned. Which is not what God's word is saying at all. This method is done by many in the church. Many Word Faith teachers are known for mixing and twisting God's word just like you do. It sounds true, because God's words are used, but is for a different purpose, not what God wanted to convey. Truth mixed with untruth.
---mark on 5/15/07

Mrs Morgan, the Bible is easy to understand when the Spirit of God brings light to it. It is so easy that a child can understand it. It is to be read just like all other books, recognizing poems,teachings, history, ect. It is when people began to spiritualize it and adding, that makes God's word of no effect. There is nothing hard about how God speaks to us, He speaks to us in human terms. Not in words that we won't understand.
---mark on 5/15/07

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#2. Since I cannot respond to all of the passages, I will respond to the last one you gave. I spoke of twisting and mixing passages to come out with a result you want to convey, and you did the same thing with 1 Peter 4:17-18. "For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God" This judgment is not condemnation. It cannot be since there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ. This judgment is the purging, chastening, and purifying of the church by the loving hand of God.
---mark on 5/15/07

#3. Peter's emphasis is that it is far better and more important to kingdom work to endure suffering as the Lord purges and strengthens the church, than to endure the eternal sufferings of the unbeliever in the lake of fire. This ungodly and sinners are people that are lost. There is no ungodly Christians. All Christians are godly. To make your point, you throw in passages out of the blue, to reach out and get a result, which in the first place is so wrong.
---mark on 5/15/07

Carly: "What have you done, Steveng."

It's none of your business. It's between God and me. Although I did hint at what I did in other posts.

"Do you feel better now?"

Absolutely not. My heart cringes beyond recognition every time Christians can't agree on any one topic. They are all on different pages going in different directions; all prideful in thier own knowledge of God and the Gospel.
---Steveng on 5/14/07

(Matthew 13:24-30)(Romans 11:21-22)(1 John 3:5-10)(Rev.3:14-22):

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that OBEY NOT the gospel of God?And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" (1 Peter 4:17-18). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/14/07

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"One can't be IN Christ devoid of godly love/obedience(walking in the Spirit)...God's work,(Rev.3:18)...PRODUCES His good fruits(2John 1:6,9),it's a process that can ONLY be halted by SELF: a corrupt heart/doctrines,double-mindedness(hypocrisy/deceit).(James1:26-27)(James 2:14-20)."

(Luke 17:32)(Heb.4:1)(Heb.12:15)(2Peter 2:1-2,20-22)(2 Peter3:14-18),
--Christians are either GROWING in God's Grace&Knowledge or not(perishing). (John 12:46-50)(John 15:6), God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/14/07

" the way you word you comments...mixed with all kind of idea's and words that sound like they are all true but it's the same method use by many in evangelizing with truth and false."

You claim I speak hypocrisy, yet say "I like the way you talk", sounds like you're confused, Truth: Jesus will SPEW some out of His Mouth,these would be FAKE Christians, sinners would not be in [His mouth], Christians need to take heed as the Word says. (Rom.11:21,22).
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/14/07

Mrs Morgan, I like the way you word you comments, they are mixed with all kind of idea's and words that sound like they are all true but it's the same method use by many in evangelizing with truth and false. When comments are made mix, it only proves some are correct and the others are not. Kind of twisting words to get a result. God's people are either saved or not. There is no lost people in the body of Christ.
---mark on 5/14/07

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17) When you first get saved, you become "joined to the Lord" so you are together with Him and no longer in separation of sin. This becoming "joined" to the Lord would be "instantaneous".

AND it is very PERSONAL > to be "one spirit with Him" in His own love "in our hearts" (Romans 5:5) > VERY i-n-t-i-m-a-t-e.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/14/07

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After God saves you by joining you to Him, now you are "one spirit with Him." (1 Cor. 6:17) If you are one with God in the Holy Spirit, the power ALMIGHTY of His love will overcome your disobedient nature so you become obedient > to how this love has you PERSONALLY relating with God and loving ALL people in His ALL-loving love. This is the ONLY process that can happen in God's love "in our hearts"...a process in p-e-r-s-o-n-a-l sharing with God.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/14/07

"Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it." (Hebrews 12:11)

When we got saved, we entered into the PROCESS of Jesus Christ's correctional custody!!!

As God's chastening overcomes how we are, we more and more enjoy "the peaceable fruit of righteousness"...because He WORKS and SUCCEEDS against our own nature's resistance (Philippians 1:6).
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/14/07

Hi...if you have your hands on different parts of the giant faithful elephant, this is "why" you are getting different impressions, many of which may be correct but not the whole thing.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/14/07

Salvation is PERSONAL with Jesus Himself > "'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:28-29)

We come to Jesus, Himself, then LEARN from Jesus in His love tenderly caressing us with His soul rest "in our hearts" (in Romans 5:5); so this is very INTIMATE.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/14/07

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I agree with Robyn's answer.
---Mima on 5/13/07

What have you done, Steveng.
Do you feel better now?
---Carly on 5/13/07

It is one and both at once. Salvation is instantaneous but we should grow into Christ's likeness as well. if you don't grow and show fruit then are you saved? But in the same breath if someone confesses their sins while listening to the radio then dies in a car wreck I believe God's grace is with them.
---Jared on 5/13/07

It's apparent that the posts on this blog (as with other blogs) are from people who are just too knowledgeable to agree on any point. They use their worldly knowledge to define what is truth. Posters use worldly Christian references instead of relying on the Bible itself. It is also apparent that posters have the knowledge of God, but deny his true power. Christianity today is in a very sad state of affairs when Christians have a very superficial view of the Bible and rarely delve into the heart of it.
---Steveng on 5/13/07

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Being born again or salvation is instantaneous. We confess,repent, ask God to forgive us our sins and He does. That part is instantaneous. Then there is another stage called justification. We are just as saved in one minute, as someone who has born again 40 years. You are justified. Made right with God. But it is a process before you become a mature christian. You will have to grow like a young child, so to speak.
---Robyn on 5/13/07

lisa, you can't help yourself. You have to use everyone's names to get your jabs in.
john does not talk in such a silly, childish way about others, especially to a woman.

lisa, you're not a man. You don't talk like a man or behave like a man. When you use mens names, and talk so childish, it's very unbecoming.
---Bob on 5/13/07


2 kinds of "works", works of the Holy Spirit & works that are not,works that are alive vs dead. Double mindedness = unstable/DECEIT,God's people,NOT unstable. A person is either led of the Holy Sprirt or not,Jesus is reigning in there hearts or not,there's no in between,FRUITS speaks for themselves,OSAS = in between doctrine,evil. God's people:saved by grace & pre-ordained to WALK IN His works,they don't seek loop-holes in NOT doing that.
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/13/07

[...did you not write..."TRUE born-again child of God don't work for salvation...impossible...they loving submit."...]

Walking in the Spirit isn't working for salvation, One can't be IN Christ devoid of godly love/obedience(walking in the Spirit)...God's work, not man's(Rev.3:18), PRODUCES His good fruits (2 John 1:6,9), it's a process that can ONLY be halted by SELF: a corrupt heart/doctrines,double-mindedness(hypocrisy/deceit). (James 1:26-27)(James 2:14-20).
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/13/07

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Mrs Morgan, did you not write on 5/9/07 (2)this words? "TRUE born-again child of God don't work for salvation, thats impossible/foolish, rather they loving submit." That is a statement that should ring in your mind Morgan. You said it and that is what everyone else has been telling you. Read it over and over, it came from you. You do believe it but deny it.
---john on 5/13/07

I didn't forget. "For we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works,which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." He did prepare all this beforehand. And they are of His works for by His grace we are saved, and not of works of our own. And those who are prepared beforehand, will walk and will perform good works. Salvation, believers sanctification, and good works were ordained before time began. Romans 8:29,30. Have a blessed Mother's Day.
---mary on 5/13/07

You forgot false teachers,deceivers,self-righteous,workers of the law for salvation. People without faith in the blood of Christ for is the gift of God-not because of works,lest any man should boast.
--mary on 5/9/07

...And you forgot to CONTINUE to mention what FOLLOWS that Scripture text,God pre-ordains His people to walk in His good works, not vain works of man, but of [God]. We can't pick n choose Scriptures to are liking, It's the WHOLE Word,or nothing at all. (Rev. 14:12).
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/10/07

Morgan, you gave a discription of a true born again Christian first, and then gave a discription of a Christian that are lovers of pleasure. You gave two discriptions of Christians. How can the second be a Christian, all Christians are lovers of Christ, if they really are Christians. There is no two or three kinds of Christians. The Bible does not say there is different kinds. Only one kind. If they are lovers of pleasure they must not be Christian. You confuse everyone speaking as you do.
---mary on 5/10/07

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Salvation is a gift, given by God to all men, through His Son Christ Jesus. Many are called few are chosen. All nourishment & maturity is received & grown from the true vine. Maturity is the continued production of fruit from one seed being planted in a circumsized heart where Christ wil eternaly take residence.
---Ryan_Z on 5/9/07

Don't take the verse out of context,"work out your own salvation with patience". Not referring, (study the Strong's), to salvation of the soul. It's by grace- although some try to bend it to fit their beliefs. Read Romans- Sanctification is a process. If you ask Christ to save you, His blood is placed on the doorposts of your heart, and He comes in to sup with you. Sanctification means (after salvation) Christ desires to make you like Him...pure, holy, etc.. That's a process.
---Cheryl on 5/9/07

Yes, when the Holy Spirit pays you a visit and forgives you of all of your sins. Perseverance, Jesus said, "You must endure till the end and you shall be saved". We all must remember when we are born-again, that is the beginning not the end. There is a road that we must travel to get to heaven, and it is paved with Blood, Sweat, and Tears. Now if you do not believe this, "Oh Well"!
---catherine on 5/9/07

None of our salvations is complete in body and soul. You are saved. But your broken down body still needs to be saved. You are still sinning and the Holy Spirit is working on you constantly. You still live on this sinful planet and you will be saved from it too. As Rom. 8:22-23 says, we ourselves, are still waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our bodies and all creration groans and awaits for salvation.
---john on 5/9/07

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concerned1 , When Jesus said It is finished, He meant that He had finished what He came to do, the narrow Blood Road had been paved, Many Christians are confused both before & after conversion, don't realize that they are [required] to abide in Christ's Love/His Sayings or else they are in danger (I Peter 5:8)(Heb.12:28-29), not worthy of Christ, the Word is CLEAR on this(James 4:7,8). Few Christians walk that narrow road which is only possible by the power of the Holy Ghost, Jesus said so.
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/9/07

(2.)concerned1, A true Jesus Blood conversion is rejected by most, "works for salvation" is totally void of the Holy Ghost/powerless. A TRUE born-again child of God don't work for salvation,thats impossible/foolish, rather they loving submit, CHOOSE to follow the lead of the Holy Spirit, are not led by "self", Christians have free choice. False security, negligence, excuses, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God, etc. common place in the Church (Jude 1:18-21). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 5/9/07

Salvation begins when you are brought to life by the Holy Spirit, and given the ability to repent and come to know the truth and believe through the gift of faith. With that awakening of life by the Spirit, you will see your sins against God, and you will repent. 'Faith comes from hearing God's word, and hearing comes from the Lord.
---Jimmy on 5/9/07

We abide in Christ, and press on, (*Phil 3). Legalism hinders and thwarts Grace. We're warned to Abide in Christ=Grace/Cross. Only Jesus can conform you to His Image.
1 John 2:26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/07

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#2 This Goes with Phil 3, our purpose and what is happening with those who are In Christ. We are being conformed to His image. We persevere through the fellowship of His sufferings!
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/07

You forgot false teachers, deceivers, self-righteous, workers of the law for salvation. People without faith in the blood of Christ for salvation. All those will not make it in to God's kingdom. For a person is saved by grace through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God-not because of works, lest any man should boast.
---mary on 5/9/07

Salvation is an EVENT, not a process. part 2

If it were a process, then it make Jesus out as a liar when he triumphantly cried on the cross, "It is finished". Otherwise, if what you say is true, then He and Karen Carpenter could sing as a duet, "We've Only Just Begun"

Think of the implications of what you say, especially as it relates to the Atonement.

Anything that diminishes it is simply heresy.
---concerned1 on 5/9/07

Salvation is received immediately upon believing and confessing Jesus as Lord. Sanctification is the ongoing process of the Holy Spirit producing Godliness in one's life and this happens continually after salvation.
---Helen_5378 on 5/8/07

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There is no problem with OSAS if you are saved. There is a problem with the one's that speak against it since they measure others by thier own works, and not by the works that Christ did on the Cross. They speak with fork tongues for with one breath they tell you, the blood of Christ cleanse you, and on another, they say you are clean by what you do. They need to study with the help of the Spirit.
---mark on 5/8/07

2. Salvation is a promise to all those that have faith in Christ. "Those who are of God hears God's word; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God." "Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the Fathers. "For the calling of God are irrevocable." Romans 11:28,29. Believing this takes true faith. Salvation is of the Lord.
---mark on 5/8/07

Salvation is when Believes that Jesus is the Son of God, accepts Him as Lord and Savior and is Baptized into Him, and remains faithfull to God and Jesus until their death.
---Dale on 5/8/07

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