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Were America's Founders Christian

We are fed up. Our 7th grade son came home from school with a history book that says America's Founders were not Christian but were Adulterers. We have tried to teach about our Godly heritage. Home, private school not an option. What do we do?

Moderator - Teach your son the truth which is that some of the founders were Christian and some were not.

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Because they were Susie. Why God has blessed this nation of ours so well, for many, many, generation, because of its leaders. Mabe they were not perfect in everything, but I doubt that George Washington cheated on his wife. No, back in those days more godly people than today. We had some godly presidents, inwhich my God didn't forget. But I am telling you things are a changeing, for the worse. Stay tune.
---catherine on 7/10/08

Why do people keep trying to perpetuate the myth that all of the founders of this country were Christians. Not only were some of them adulterers, we have had many presidents who were adulterers also. Kennedy and Clinton to name just two. Anyone who thinks that the former and present leaders of this country are even close to being Godly people are sadly mistaken.
---Susie on 7/10/08

I have doubts that America had a Christian Hertiage because it seems that the people who proclaim it do not mentioned slavery, racism, the US-Mexican War, etc. I wondered how do these events tied to a Christian hertiage
---Michael_Reed on 10/29/07

The Most-Wonderful Americanized sort of 'Christians', indeed! Murdering Rapists, Thieving Covetors, Haters of Indians, Abusers of Negroes, Deceptive LIARS, Plundering Destroyers, Embezzling Exploiters, etc, 'In the Name of God, Religion, Freedom, Liberty, and Justice FOR ALL'!?! And when they Wrote their Great Declaratory Lie, they All Falsely Swore that "ALL Men Are Created EQUAL"?!? What a Lie! Same as the Majority of Americanized so-called 'Christians' today. May Christ Come Swiftly!!!
---JoeMcDaniel on 9/16/07

so jana, you can give back your land to the Indians. ok?
---wayne on 6/30/07

The Indians were fighting their own battles against each other and against greedy europeans who took their lands, just as we europeans are today, fighting to be ontop and with endless greed. we poked our noses in their affairs and thought we could make life better for it is, they should of been left as they want to live and they would be more healthier in the wild than in unhealthy reserves...
---jana on 6/29/07

Jana, are you trying to tell me that Indian tribes never fought each other? I don't dispute the history that the Indians were conquered by the European settlers. I do dispute the notion that before Europeans came to North America, the Native Americans were one big happy family, living in peace and harmony with each other, communing with nature and all the little forest creatures. Tribes battled each other over hunting grounds and many other reasons.
---ralph7477 on 6/20/07

Ralph: the Indians werent killing and marauding eachin other as u so say..The Pilgrims or the second settlers whom were christians took Indian lands away and caused all the upsets...Get you facts right..Be honest about the Indians who were the first settlers...just as other countries first settled by brown people,white man came n stole it from them..sorry..its the truth..
---jana on 6/20/07

**Our founding Fathers (1776) were deist freemasons and unitarisns.**

There were some believing confessional Protestants among them. The law of averages, at least, would see to that.
---Jack on 6/15/07

Americs founders were born-in-the-blood believers read the constitution and you will know amen. They were all Church members not some goofy masons or deoist some thing made up by writers here.
---Andrew on 6/15/07

Some people missed history class. scalping was invented by white europeans, people dont know that. The wholesale slaughter of Indians was often done with 'Gods blessings.'

The puratins were not pluralist, they left europe as they did not have the right to persecute that the bigger religions did. Our founding Fathers (1776) were deist freemasons and unitarisns.
---MikeM on 6/9/07

Who killed the Indians? The Indians were marauding and killing each other long before any Europeans came to North America.
---ralph7477 on 6/9/07

Eloy, how many people were on the Mayflower, and of those, how many actually signed the Mayflower compact?
---NurseRobert on 6/9/07

" The pilgrims were not killers"

Who killed the Indians?
---Susie on 6/9/07

mikem, you do not speak truth. The pilgrims were not killers, but God-repecting people. If you would study the historical facts you would learn that the pilgrims were puritans who came to America, the New World, in order to leave the church of England's dictates and to have spiritual freedom to worship God according to the truth written in the Bible and according to their own conscience. BTW It was the 1560 Geneva Bible which they brought with them to America, and not the 1611 KJV.
---Eloy on 6/9/07

Eloy-The pilgrums were calvinist, if you arrived among them in the colonies after 1620 they would have killed you as a heretic, as they would a Catholic or any other sect not of them.

The 'Founding Fathers' of America 1776 were Freemasons, deist and unitarians. History 101
---MikeM on 6/8/07

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.son of dogkids, I suggest you do a little research into the lives of our founding ancestors whom came to America on the Mayflower in 1620 A.D. This is the whole basis for the annual Thanksgiving Day which Americans celebrate every November, to give thanks to God.
---Eloy on 6/8/07

Groundhog Day.
---B._Murray on 6/7/07

Mikem., you haven't dealt with anything.
You've been on the run, from your family and from God. You did find a haven.
You haven't answered one of the facts about mormonism presented to you, you're running from reality. You share your same speal, over and over. Jefferson, ad hom... You haven't come up with any fresh material since the time you've been here. It's like hitting the snooze button.
---Delbert on 6/7/07

Now Delbert,lets try to deal with the issues themselves, and not make ad hominum attacks. If what I am posting is inorrect and can be refuted, I welcome it.

I was raised 'pentacostal/fundamentalist, 'and leaving my brains at the front door did not fit me. We were not endowed with a mind and then ask to forgo its use.
---MikeM on 6/6/07

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**jefferson was an atheist as was Adams.**

I don't think it's fair to say that Jefferson was an atheist, as he believed in some kind of deity, though it may not have been the Christian God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Nor was Washington anti-Christian.

But it would be accurate to say that most of the founding fathers would not be welcome in the typical pop-evangelical church if people understood what they really believed.
---Jack on 6/6/07

Some people are so pitiful you don't even want to answer them. I wander how some of these name callers are going to feel on judgment day when us freaky Jesus people, [I am quoteing] are in heaven having the greatest time throughout eternity and the name callers will be in hell throughout eternity screaming "OUCH THAT'S HOT".
---catherine on 6/6/07

MikeM., son of dawkins, I don't think you believe in Jesus Christ, not really.
You have found the right church, it fits you.
---Delbert on 6/6/07

The truth is that they werent christians and this nation wasnt founded on christianity. jefferson was an atheist as was Adams. Madison, washington and paine were very anti christian this nation if anything was very not and anti christian on founding so ur just gonna have to deal with it or leave u jesus freak
---son_of_dawkins on 6/6/07

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**I have lived, sir, a long time and the longer I live, ...**

Do you know the rest of the story, catherine?

It was part of Franklin's appeal to the Constitutional Convention to engage a chaplain to pray at the beginning of each session.

The suggestion was refused.

And NOW you know ... the REST of the story.
---Jack on 6/5/07

Yes, from what I have read I am certain that some of them were true Christians. Only unbelievers would dispute that. And God blessed our nation so richly for a very long time. He pulled us out from under during the great depression kepted us free. We have always managed to remain a free nation. God also set some people free. It was all because of our godly ancestors and leaders. They were not perfect, who is? What is the future now? Think about it. I rather not.
---catherine on 6/5/07

Either get a bunch of parents together or go solo and execute a very hefty law suit, like a minimum of a million dollars or more, against the school for damages of seriously undermining your parental authority in leading your child, and for teaching your child trash. Else do nothing, and continue to rightfully lose to the ungodly.
---Eloy on 6/5/07

God had it all planned out no matter who our founding fathers were.
---Steveng on 6/5/07

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Wat I note here isthat fundamentalistare often divorced from reality, then call it faith. On the ISSUE ITSELF I let the Founding Fathers speak forthemselves, yet even objective reality is rejected, rejeted in favor of a subjectve belief, mking an ad hominim ttact on the messenger.
---MikeM on 6/5/07

Last night, Dr. K., Dr. Death was on a news program. He said he was a Deist, and went on to say, "I believe in reason, Thomas Jefferson said......". He quoted word for the word, the Gospel of Mikem.
They asked, Do you believe in God?
Dr. K, Dr. D., "No, I do not."

MikeM., are you really just an atheist who joined a mormon church to further your career, networking, make connections?
---Martha on 6/5/07

Benjamin Franklin
"Some books against Deism fell into my hands....It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quote to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations, in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."

---MikeM on 6/5/07

**I have lived, sir, a long time and the longer I live, ...**

Et reliqua.

Can you tell us what is specifically Christian about Franklin's statement, catherine?

All it is is an acknowledgement of some kind of generic to-whom-it-may-concern deity.

While capable of a Christian interpretation, there is no reason why it cannot be Deist, Buddhist, Muslim, or Odinist as well.
---Jack on 6/4/07

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Susie: "What about all the missionaries who are sacrificing everything...?"

Think about this: most of the missionaries spreading the Gospel come from the United States. How many missionaries from other countries match the amount of missionaries we send out? If it weren't for the United States, the world would not know Jesus. We have the people, the money, the assets, the food, the medicine to send to all troubled areas in the world - both caused by wars or by natural disasters.
---Steveng on 6/4/07

Benjamin Franklin===Addressing the Constitutional Convention: Our prayers sir, were heard and they were graciously answered...I have lived, sir, a long time and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth- That God governs in the affairs of men.
---catherine on 6/4/07

"Maybe not, but we WERE the most favored."

Do people really believe this? Are Christians in this country so self-absorbed that they think they are more favored than other Christians in the world? What about all the missionaries who are sacrificing everything to spread the gospel? I'd think they were most favored!
---Susie on 6/4/07

Susie: "...people seem to think that Americans are God's chosen people!"

Maybe not, but we WERE the most favored. What other country boasts of being formed and became number one in the world in only four hundred years. What other country boasts being the most influential country? What other country boasts advances in military might, medicine and technology? What other country supports Israel? God had his hand in creating the US, but our turning our backs on Him is our downfall. Pride, eh?
---Steveng on 6/3/07

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How long have you been a mormon, MIkeM.?
Do you work for the church?
---D.Dispain on 6/3/07

Some people seem to think that Americans are God's chosen people!
---Susie on 6/2/07

Ethan Allen - Mason
Edmund Burke - Mason
John Claypoole - Mason
William Daws - Mason
Benjamin Franklin - Mason
Nathan Hale - No evidence of Masonic connections
John Hancock - Mason
Benjamin Harrison - No evidence of Masonic connections
Patrick Henry - No evidence of Masonic connections
Thomas Jefferson - Deist with some evidence of Masonic connections
---MikeM on 6/2/07

John Paul Jones - Mason
Francis Scott Key - No evidence of Masonic connections
Robert Livingston - Mason
James Madison - Some evidence of
Masonic membership
Thomas Paine - Humanist
Paul Revere - Mason
Colonel Benjamin Tupper - Mason
George Washington - Mason
Daniel Webster - Some evidence of Masonic connections

Summary: 10 Masons, 3 probable Masons, 1 Humanist, 2 Advocates of Freemasonry, 4 no record of connections.
---MikeM on 6/2/07

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SIGNERS OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE Known Masons (21): Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Joseph Hewes, William Hooper, etc.

Evidence of Membership And/or Affiliations (11)

Summary: 21 of 56 Signers were Freemasons 11 were thought to be. oNLY 6 of the signers were orthodox Christians
---MikeM on 6/2/07

Thomas Jefferson, "Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than on our opinions in physics and geometry. . . ."

Thomas Jefferson,

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg..."
---MikeM on 6/2/07

Benjamin Franklin (from his autobiography)
Some books against Deism fell into my hands....It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quote to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations, in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."
---MikeM on 6/2/07

James Madison- During fifteen centuries the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

Ben Franklin- When a religion is good, it will support itself when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so its clergy is obliged to call for help of the civil power, tis a sign, of its beginnings
---MikeM on 6/2/07

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Wayne, Elder and others; I prefer to let the Remarkable founders speak for themselves. Its not the issue if they were big sinners or not, its if they were Christian or more important envisioned a christian Country. The solid evidence it they were not and did not. This is a republic, not a theocracy. Oil and water do not mix.

Wayne; AD HOMINUM comments will not deflect from the truth.

(National day of Prayer, 1774? There was no nation yet.)
---MikeM on 6/2/07

Strange how some will "push" their thoughts as the only truth and it is always antigod.
Was Thomas Jefferson a sinner? How about ol' George. Ever heard of sin unto death. It affects Christians. I'd like to see the lives of some of those who condemn these as nonchristians.
Maybe there was some Mason influence in our government. That will never change by condemning Christian things on a Christian site. Or, is this not a Christian site because some who come here are not Christians?
Cond #2
---Elder on 6/2/07

Native Americans had the same form of government in the tribes as we do now. Were they Masons? Could a Mason actually be a Christian and be confused about what he is involved in?
G. Bush can't be a Christian because he is responsible for a war (which he is not responsible for the war) yet "christian" women can stand up for killing babies. Yea, right. Situation ethics.......
---Elder on 6/2/07

For any of you that is without sin, cast the first stone at any of our founding fathers. People who try to discredit our founding fathers thry to find one piece of dirt and they blow it out of proportion.
Many of the founding fathers have written letters about Jesus, spreading the gospel, and freedom of religion (unlike that of England). God took what he could find to build this country. He took the more favorable men and women. Today we are ruining it and God will remove his protection.
---Steveng on 6/1/07

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The Bible and Civil Liberty are inseparable. "Now historians are discovering that the Bible, perhaps even more than the Constitution is our Founding document.">>>Note:Benjamin Franklin often publicly cited Scripture. Thomas Jefferson==No power over the freedom of religion is delegated to the United States by the Constitution. Also Promoted a resolution for a day of Fasting and Prayer. 1774.
---catherine on 6/2/07

Mike. this country is not like what it's going to be when Jesus will rule, but it's the best establishment so far in world's history. People came to this country to persue their enventions free from governments who would just take it away from them. I have to wonder, with your attitude do you believe all the Bible as God's inspired word? After reading the constitution and declaration of Independence any person will conclude that it was based on Christian values.
---wayne on 6/2/07

I note those who say 'America was founded by Christians as a Christian country based on Christian principles" dogmatically assert the point, but do not try to 'back up' their assertions. The less they have a leg to stand on, the more dogmatic they become.

The fact is they were MOSTLY freemasons, deist, and unitarians. The constitution is a secular document, based on the concept of a republic, a pagan greek concept.
---MikeM on 6/1/07

yes this great country was founded on christian principles, by most who were God fearing people. We have a herritage of what the founding fathers aclomplished. We all have sinned, but God still can use us, like the people in the Bible. Some of them had a sinful past. If you look hard enough you can find fault with anybody.
---wayne on 6/1/07

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Thomas Jefferson fathered children with some of his slaves. Washington had an affair and caught pneumonnia on the way home from her house, and I believe he died from that.
---Madison1101 on 5/31/07

This is an example of someone redoing history. This nation was found by born again believers. What does it say on the money in nothing we trust? Those pilgrims came to the colonies were spirit filled, and claimed the land for the Lord, writing a constitution to bring Glory to the Lord.
---Bob on 5/31/07

When I was in school (many years ago), we were taught that the founders of this country came here so they could have "freedom of religion". Nothing was said about them wanting to practice Christianity freely. What the settlers did to the Native Americans is a good indication of just how Christian they really were!!!
---Susie on 5/31/07

Wallbuilders, is a right wing group that by its own admission is reconstructionist. Those few who claim here that Americas founders were 'Christian' do not really try to back up that claim, but always reference other sources, then run from the discussion.

There were a 'few' orthodox Christians, like Patrick Henry and John Jay, but less that 10 of the 56 signers of the Declartion of Independance were Orthodox.
---MikeM on 5/31/07

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Why are you fed up? King David was in fact an adulterer, there is truth in that. 2 Samuel 12:11.
---anonymous on 5/31/07

Read the book "Back Fired" by William J. Federer. Author explains Christian Heritage in the founding years of this nation.
---Paul on 5/30/07

go on internet and check out group called "wallbuilders". they specialize in the gathering and sharing of information on how the Bible played a role in the founding of this country and people who played a part in this country.
---Paul on 5/30/07

I didn't know the world was divided into two kinds of people: Christians and Adulterers.

Some of the founding fathers were no better than they should be. Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin (by his own words), and even George Washington come to mind.

But ALL human beings are sinners. And is it so surprising that sinners sin?
---Jack on 5/30/07

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Our country's fore-fathers who supposedly were "Christians" actually practiced Deism. Deism is a monotheistic sect that says there is one almighty powerful God who created the world and let it go on about existing without any further intervention. I.E. No personal relationship with God through Christ, The Son..
---Julie on 5/30/07

Don't forget T. Jefferson, and Andrew Jackson. They were not pure as the driven snow either.
---Francis on 5/30/07

Were they not? I mean not all but yeah, some of them were. They are just shedding some light on the subject.
---Rebecca_D on 5/30/07

There were a lot of our founding Fathers who were not of the Christian Faith. Most prayed, most blieved. Today we have a President who believes and prays but people still see all his faults. We, as parents, must teach our children and grandchildren the truth as we know it and then allow the Holy Spirit bring it to a reality to them.
Our teachers need prayer and our schools need christian volunteers to help them teach. Moral values begin in homes and prayer seals in the hearts of our families.
---Brenda on 5/30/07

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Teach the truth. American ideals of democracy, representative government and division of power were adopted from Greek philosphy, Haudenosaunee indian tribes and French writings. Stop trying to perpetuate the lie that America is a 'Christian nation' when in fact democracy and representative republics are contrary to God's system of government which is a theocracy. Then go read Isaiah 40:17.
---Ryan_Z on 5/30/07

Moderator is right!
It does no good to pretend someting that is not true. But generally much of Western society's laws are based on Judaic/Christian morals, even when the proponents of those laws, and indeed values and morals, are not "saved" Christians, but maybe nominal Christins, or even atheists.
You see, the 10 Commandments (other than the ones about loving God etc, amke very sound common sense.
---alan_of_UK on 5/30/07

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