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Is The Bible Literal

A recent poll says only a small amount of Americans believe thing the Bible is myth, most believe the Bible is inspired, and a small amount believe the Bible is literal. Where does the Christian fit?

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Josef, thanks, and bless you. Note that I have changed my screen name from SusieQ to SueQ7373 to match my e-mail here.
---SueQ7373 on 5/8/08

Amen Jerry,
You hit the Nail on the Head!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/8/08

Good point Warwick the Bible is not all one thing. Some make the small copyist errors or wrong numbers into a big reason to reject GOD and the Bible so they can live in sin.
---Samuel on 5/8/08

Always my pleasure SusieQ. I receive your inquiries as sincere, and I believe every sincere question deserves a sincere response. I understand that I can not teach anyone anything that is spiritually related, the Holy Spirit is our only teacher. The best I can hope for is to help my brothers and sisters find truth within themselves in sharing the truth that I myself have been given to embraced. If that truth helps you, It blesses me. Thank you.
---josef on 5/7/08

Warwick: Well said! I've noted over the years that those who like to find a fault here or there with the Bible, or are constantly seeking some new or contentious theory to debate, seem to have one thing in common. There is generally some cherished sin in their lives, the guilt of which partially assuaged by focusing on other topics, and by explaining their sin away as merely another biblical error.
---jerry6593 on 5/5/08

Josef, your responses to my question are very thoughtful and helpful. Thank you! :o)
---SusieQ on 5/4/08

The problem I've found with declaring Scripture 'literal' is that non-believers point to obviously non-literal bits-i.e.'trees of the field clap their hands',considering we Christians truly believe trees have hands. Makes us look silly for no good reason.

I believe it's better to say Scripture, like all historical literature, is meant to be taken at face-value, as real historical narrative, unless there's good grammatical/logical reason not to. Trees don't have hands so this cannot be literal
---Warwick on 5/4/08

A majority of scripture is written as historical fact. But there is also poetry and other symbolic writing as well.
---AG on 5/4/08

2 Timothy 3:16 in the RSV "All scripture is INSPIRED BY GOD...", God encouraged men to write what is in the bible (the word "bible" is not in scripture, it is simply man's designation for scripture).

The verse continues to 'say'/read (inanimate objects don't speak, God's spirit does) that scripture is profitable/useful for...
1) teaching
2) reproof
3) correction
4) TRAINING for righteousness (self discipline/repentance.
---greg on 5/4/08

In a Godly Christian's life, the bible will NEVER become insignificant, but after our training, we should learn from GOD'S SPIRIT (the spirit should become our teacher) as we learn to clearly divide right from wrong (divide between right and wrong as a "sword" would clearly divide, "sword of the spirit") so that there is NO MIDDLE GROUND ("no variation or shadow", James 1:17) and when good changes to evil, the change is SUDDEN.
---greg on 5/4/08

Our goodness should be of our own freewill conscience (Philemon verse 14). There should be no "self abasement" (self abandonment/abatement, Colossians 2:18 and 23), we should know who we are and share who we are with God so that He can also have a personal relationship with us (the spirit "yearns jealously", James 4:5).

The "hirelings" (John 10:13) have never really taught Christianity properly.
---greg on 5/4/08

The hirelings never took care that we "enter by the door" (John 10:1), but The Lord did promise that "in the last days, I will pour out my spirit" (Acts 2:17). We must learn the "MORE EXCELLENT WAY" (1 Corinthians 12:31). When we learn the sword of the spirit, we will have our consciences purified (Hebrews 9:14) also and will be able to have "rivers of living water" in our heart (John 7:38, Revelation 7:16) that flowed from Christ's side.
---greg on 5/4/08

Having the spirit in our hearts is the GUARANTEE of eternal life (2 Corinthians 1:22 and 5:5, Ephesians 1:14).

These are the "better things" (Hebrews 6:9), the "DEPTHS" (1 Corinthians 2:10). John baptized with H2O, but NEW covenant "living water" baptism of the spirit will show us how to be GODLY in our daily behavior (John 1:33) because we will be transformed (new creation) by the renewal of our MIND (Romans 12:2) and will do the works of God (John 6:28 and 29).
---greg on 5/4/08

Everything before the spirit was given (John 7:39) is not a valid means of worship for new covenant Christians. Ancient scriptures, habits of Bereans ("study" scriptures or search with the spirit/"depths"?), etc. will not help us worship in spirit and truth (John 4:23, 4:24, Ephesians 1:13, 2 Thessalonians 2:13).

We must have a passion for objective truth (2 Thessalonians 2:10) so we can break free of Christianity's "strong delusion" (around all throughout history).
---greg on 5/4/08

IN Jesus is the WHOLE fullness of God (Colossians 2:9) and we must practice the "PERFECT LAW" (law of liberty, James 1:25 and 2:12) because the 'sin laws' were abolished (Ephesians 2:15), for those OUTSIDE of Jesus's body, all of THEIR chosen wisdom is in the parables (Mark 4:11).

We must "live quietly" not bothering anyone as a busybody (1 Thessalonians 4:11) or SHOWING partiality (special treatment) to ANYONE (James 2:1 and 2:9).
---greg on 5/4/08

1.) "Can you help me understand 2 Corinthians 3:6?" SusieQ, The Letter of the law revealed sin, bringing man to a knowledge of sin. With that knowledge came responsibility and accountably. Man was commanded to keep the law without an empowerment beyond his own ability to do so. The purpose? To make him aware of his need of a savior and an empowerment beyond his own. No man in himself can keep the law in its entirety, thus the letter kills.
---josef on 5/3/08

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2.) For the penalty for violation of any kind concerning the law, in itself, is death. However, the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has freed the believer from the law of sin and death through His atoning sacrifice. Through an empowered and applied gift of faith in that payment, man is open to receive the Divine guidance and inspiration of the Holy Spirit, which rejuvenate, revitalizes and opens his mind to a continuously inspired existence through a Divine influence upon his heart.
---josef on 5/3/08

3.) Therefore we have been enabled and qualified through the indwelling presence of His Spirit as attendants of a new covenant. Not teachers of a compliance to the law through ones own force of will or discipline, but rather a submission to the Spirit of life within. For to teach that a man must keep the law in his own strength only ministers condemnation and guilt, but to teach one to rely on and yield to the Spirit and grace of God, offers him life. (2Cor.3:6 paraphrased.)
---josef on 5/3/08

In the O.T., we're told that not all behavior is right. God gave humanity Ten Commandments to point out to us that some behavior is wrong. Those Ten laws (written code) make it clear to us that violations of them (sin) cause spiritual death (the wages of sin are death). This is how the written code kills (not our bodies, but our soul). The New Testament informs us of a better way to worship and be reconciled to God (a "MORE EXCELLENT WAY", 1 Corinthians 13:13, LOVE/the SPIRIT).
---greg on 5/3/08

Drinking of the spirit of God (having the character of Godliness, John 7:38, Revelation 7:16) is not gained by simply eating of the bread of life, nor is it gained by simply performing acts of righteousness, but by truly feeling SORROW compassion for all who suffer misfortune. This is what enabled the person at the well to recognize "Messiah" so quickly while the disciples still called Jesus "Rabbi".
---greg on 5/3/08

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Many people are indifferent about other people's sufferings and misfortune, but those who will feel sorrow for others are saddened that other people suffer (become 'low in spirit')...."Blessed are the poor in spirit..." for they have the kingdom of God WITHIN them (Matthew 5:3). This is the PRESENT heaven (Revelation tells of a "NEW" heaven). This is how the spirit "gives" eternal "life".
---greg on 5/3/08

INSTITUTIONAL Christianity (as opposed to PERSONAL Christianity) has not taught us properly because the carnal minds of the "hirelings" (John 10:13) have always formed their ministries around money/membership, but it's not like we didn't feel comfortable going along with them. There have always been many well meaning pastors, but they were distracted by money, and IT WAS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY that we "enter by the door" (John 10:1), but, to be fair, we went along with them.
---greg on 5/3/08

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many,I say unto you,will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.Luke 13:24
To anwser the blog directly,think of it this way.Old Testament=Literal.
New Testament=Spiritual.Case & Point the old had real sacrfices,the new is for beleivers to.I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy,acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.Rom 12:1

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Love is Agape
---joe on 5/3/08

Personally Greg, I understand what you are saying, However it must also be understood that the Word, manifest tangibly as Jesus, is the Father's Divine expression of Himself. The written word is an inspired revelation and expressed disclosure of the person of Jesus. Without which man would have no true revelation of the Father. The Word of God, both Logos and Rhema, are essential to even a finite understanding of the majesty of the Eternal Self Existent One.
---josef on 5/3/08

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Polls say that only a small number believe that the Bible is literal. That fits! Here's a more accurate poll result:

Mat 7:13,14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
---jerry6593 on 5/3/08

The bible contains TEXT (it's TEXTUAL). The bible is a LITERARY piece of work (in order to READ, you have to be LITERATE). If it is meant that the UNDERSTANDING of it should be LITERAL, since God cannot be expressed properly with WORDS, there never will be true understanding. In ancient times, devotion to God was called "circumcision" and involved PHYSICAL modification of the body, but today, devotion doesn't include the physical act anymore (Romans 2:29 "SPIRITUAL, NOT LITERAL").
---greg on 5/2/08

Answer 2 blog ?,
Survey says: The Inspired word of God IS Literal!

How could the INSPIRED word of God, NOT be Literal?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/2/08

Chris, what you say makes sense. Someone here earlier said the word forgive Jesus used on the cross didn't mean forgive but something else. Things like that are disconcerting to me. Thanks, Chris.
---SusieQ on 5/1/08

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SusieQ - I take the scripture to mean that we can be too fanatical in how we treat the words. In endlessly arguing over definitions, ceaselessly combining verus to come up with ever more extreme and esoteric doctrines, we do not follow the gospel, but twist it. In putting the "words" before the spirit, we can easily make the words our God, and thus worship them rather than God himself. God wants us to worship him in spirit. I believe that spirit is directly related to love.
---chris on 5/1/08

The Scriptures help us and guide us in our Relationship with JESUS. They show us what He is like and what he wants from us. To drop the scriptures would be like saying we no longer need to eat.
---Samuel on 5/1/08

Where is your faith?
---Chance on 5/1/08

The Word of God is literal in that it is true to fact, accurate & without exaggeration. The literary form uses both figurative & metaphorical wording to emphasize and/or clarify spiritual truth if the mind is opened to receive the revelation. Of course on occasion the Word relates it's message in a manner that even the most carnally minded can grasp, understand and relate to, e.g. The ten commandments.
---joseph on 5/1/08

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Since we are to test everything according to what Jesus taught and His words, then Christians, (if they want unity) should all study this first to be able to make the right choice on the rest of the new testament.
---james on 5/1/08

I will ask again. Can you help me understand 2 Corinthians 3:6?
---SusieQ on 4/30/08

The people writing the Bible were inspired by the Holy Spirit of Truth. There is nothing false in the Bible. Obviously some translations are further from that original Truth than others. So we should seek a Bible with annotations and references to Greek originals.
---frances008 on 4/30/08

Jesus is the Word made flesh who dwelt amongst us. If you belittle the Word, you belittle Jesus. The Bible is not simply a stepping stone, it is the Way to God. Those who think there is another way are deceived. What punishment God will give those souls who are deceived is not my business. My business is to show people the true way, the Bible way.
---frances008 on 4/30/08

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Greg I don't understand your point.

Are you trying to say that Scripture, God's revelation to us, is not the truthful accounting of real historical events?

For example do you believe God created just as it says in Genesis?
---Warwick on 4/30/08

God says, That He Inspired Holy Men to write down his words as HE showed and/or told them what to write.
"EVERY Word" IS "The Inspired Word of God".
To say otherwise, IS a Lie.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/30/08

How we perceive or what we think about the Bible reflects what and who we are.

Our mind reflects us. How we think about the Bible reflects exactly where we are with Jesus Christ.

If you think the Bible is merely a stepping stone to Jesus Christ, you're farther away from Jesus Christ than you realise.
---Ulrika on 4/30/08

Do I have the "courage" to reject the Word of God which is Jesus Christ?

I find that interpretation to be exactly what the devil would like us to think about the Word of God, and it is in keeping with his demonic agenda for man.
---Ulrika on 4/30/08

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Do you have the courage to repent?
This sounds oddly familiar, someone else used to think that the bible was unnecessary really and that you could speak whatever came from your mind, that the bible was inside of your heart and it wasn't necessary to read it or quote it. However, this person had no idea what was in the bible.
---Mark_V. on 4/30/08

I find greg, that you're speaking doublespeak and talking in circles.
Not an instruction book but a stepping stone.
Not the Word of God but Word of Truth.
Doublespeak, and it doesn't sound like Christianity. What is it that you're following?
---Mark_V. on 4/30/08

I will follow JESUS who said that we are not to live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of GOD. I have the will to put the Word of GOD which has been expressed in words and in JESUS.

All through History men have tried to replace the words of GOD with their feelings. From them we have inherited many false prophets and leaders. I will follow JESUS. It is written is how he answered the devil and it is how I will answer all opponets.
---Samuel on 4/30/08

Can you help me understand 1 Corinthians 3:6 where it says the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life?
---SusieQ on 4/30/08

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Do you have the courage of heart to believe that the bible is a stepping stone to God instead of an instruction book/roadmap to Him? His spirit wants to speak with you and Jesus wants to have a personal relationship with you.

So strong has the "strong delusion" been all throughout history that many of the truths in scripture have been ignored, such as...

"WORD OF TRUTH" (Ephesians 1:13, 2 Timothy 2:15, John 14:6).
"SWORD OF THE SPIRIT" (Ephesians 6:17).
---greg on 4/30/08

The Bible is historical narrative describing real events. We can comprehend its meaning with effort and the Holy Spirit's guidance. Scipture uses various literary devices (as we do) when describing actual events. 'Raining cats and dogs'-were there animals dropping from above or do we understand this is a literary device describing an actual rain-storm? The latter!

I don't believe Scripture is to be taken literally but to be taken at 'face-value' unless there is good reason not to.
---Warwick on 4/30/08

Allegories and parables are not literal and there is symbolic writing but I take the Word as literal. I actually PUT ON THE ARMOR of God in the Spirit for example. I pray and imagine putting on the whole garb:) When Jesus says "don't or do" I take it seriously. I believe in creation as Biblically described:) I suppose that is taking it literally. I think many will be saved later in this country and I thank God for their perception of the Bible/Word.
---jody on 4/29/08

Well jerry6593, it would seem that you don't know much about the nature of Gods family or the Bible. God does not lies but you have absolutely have no conception of what he is saying. You try to keep God in a little box to give you warm fuzzes, but have no conception of the magnitude of the creation ability. When given the choice between ignorance and stupidity choose ignorance, it is curable through education, regrettably you chose stupidity.
---notlaw99 on 4/29/08

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Hellow Greg you try to use scripture to show to not read scripture. I looked up the Hebrews verse and it does not say what you want it to.

All cult groups want to leave scripture. For scripture reveals the wiles of the devil and helps us to avoid them.
---Samuel on 4/29/08

No one should ever "give up" reading scripture, but also, no one should believe that scripture is the word of God. Scripture is "THE WORD OF TRUTH" (2 Timothy 2:15, Ephesians 1:13, John 14:6).

The "WORD OF GOD" is the "SWORD OF THE SPIRIT" (Ephesians 6:17).

Scripture is the INTRODUCTORY doctrine (Hebrews 6:1).

The "strong delusion" always existed.
---greg on 4/29/08

Edit. Anton le Vay wrote the Satanic Bible. Aleister Crowley merely said 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole Law'. Try googling Barbara Bush with Aleister Crowley.
---frances008 on 4/28/08
Is Barbara Bush a devil worshiper?
---donna on 4/29/08

The Scripture are good for all Christians at all times. We need to remeber the words of GOD. We need to hide his word in our Heart like we need to eat. To give up studying the word of GOD is like deciding to starve yourself.

Much of the Bible is literal but not all.
---Samuel on 4/29/08

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The bible is LITERATURE, but our devotion should not be (Romans 2:29). Our devotion should be based on LOVE, not faith, not literary wisdom and knowledge. Scripture (the word "bible" is not in scripture) is good for TRAINING younger Christians in righteousness and repentance (self discipline), but after that, spiritual growth depends on a closer relationship with Jesus (Hebrews 6:1) and ALL wisdom and knowledge is then found in JESUS (Colossians 2:3). Don't love the bible, love JESUS only.
---greg on 4/29/08

Colossians 2:3 in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

Spiritual faith should be borne out of LOVE ("the GREATEST of these", 1 Corinthians 13:13). This is a "MORE EXCELLENT WAY" (1 Corinthians 12:31). The sin laws were abolished (Ephesians 2:15) and we should live according to the law of LIBERTY (James 1:25 and 2:12). We should be transformed by the renewal of the MIND (Romans 12:2) and learn the "better things" (Hebrews 6:9).
---greg on 4/29/08

notlaw: Either Jesus is lying or you are. Jesus never lies!
---jerry6593 on 4/29/08

frances,the problem with people is they want to believe what JUSTIFYS their lifestyle.people will believe anything if it does that.
---tom2 on 4/28/08

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The reason that most people are departing from the truth is that they believe lies because the lies offer a better deal, they think. If the Bible is proved unliteral, then you don't have to obey, they think. Then you can do what you want, which is exactly what Aleister Crowley intended when he wrote the Satanic Bible. Which is exactly what the government wants for the NWO. Which is exactly what Satan wants when he sends deceiving spirits.
---frances008 on 4/28/08

Edit. Anton le Vay wrote the Satanic Bible. Aleister Crowley merely said 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole Law'. Try googling Barbara Bush with Aleister Crowley.
---frances008 on 4/28/08

The Bible, when it is not being poetic, parable, or supplying metaphors (in the prophetic books) is literal. Literal, to the extent that non Biblical documents of the time support the Biblical accounts. Literal, to the extent that archeologists have proven the Bible to be true over and over again.
---frances008 on 4/28/08

Some of the bible is lteral some is metaphorical other parts poetry, history, and sermons.

The hard part for many is to figure out which is which.
---Samuel on 4/28/08

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jerry ... "There's nothing metaphorical about "thou shalt not."
Is there anyone here who has suggested that "Thou shalt not ..." is metaphrical?
---alan_of_UK on 4/28/08

jerry6593, humans wrote all of the Bible. Scripture is man's interpitation of of God. The creation stories are metoriphorical accounts that never should be taken as history. God was great enough to creat the entire universe and we have seen evidence of that creation that took over 14 billion light years to be photographed by the Hubble Telescope. Genisus does not do justice to magnitude of God's creaticity. Their is no problem between God and science it is just with people who under estimate God.
---notlaw99 on 4/28/08

Jesus, with His own finger, wrote in stone that the heaven and the earth were created in six literal days. Not only were the words for days (yom) literal 24-hour periods, but the declaration is set right in heart of the Ten Commandments. Thus, the context is quite literal. There's nothing metaphorical about "thou shalt not."

Logically then, if the 6-day Genesis creation account is indeed metaphorical, then Jesus is either lying or really stupid. I don't believe He's either.
---jerry6593 on 4/28/08

Wrwick ... How do you think I see the drunk parts of the bible?
Seriouwsly ... thank you for telling me wht I beleive.
---alan_of_UK on 4/12/08

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Once a person steps from the literal interpretation on to the slippery slope of symbolism there is absolutely no way that one can be certain of your destination. Recently, while witnessing to an elderly man he started to take me down a rabbit trail(symbolic interpretation) at which point I said, I understand, and quickly walked away. Years of experience have taught me that he was only interested in wasting my time. He was kind of like a tool of the devil.
---Mima on 4/11/08

I feel we should take the bible at face value(literally) Things we do not understand, just leave alone. But the things we truly need are made crystal clear to our hearts and mind. God precepts are easy to understand. He has not left us in the dark. All things become clear and understandable when we make a true commitment to follow Christ.We are not looking to take shortcuts and ways to sin. We are sincere in following Christ, therefore,the eyes of our hearts are open vessels to be used by God.
---Robyn on 4/11/08

1) Alan as carefully explained before, I and others take Scripture at 'face-value' unless there's good reason not to. Trees clapping? I see no reason to imagine the writer was talking of clapping trees! A German historical figure was once described as a 'bulwark' against destructive forces-but a bulwark is a defensive earth-work!

Maybe the whole story is non-historical as it contains a figure of speech? Of course not, historical truth in Scripture, and elsewhere contains figures of speech.
---Warwick on 4/9/08

2)Reading Genesis Ch.1 God tells how he created, and the time-frame. He doubly defined 'day.' Firstly putting an ordinal with 'day' meaning 24hrs. Secondly saying his days are comprised of evening, and morning, dark and light again 24hrs.

You don't accept this, or that the week in the 10 commandments is based upon this creation week, but cannot give anything to support your view. Yes I do believe you see sober parts of Scripture as fiction or at best just man's opinions.
---Warwick on 4/9/08

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Hebrew grammarians Joon and Muraoka point out a technical feature of Hebrew narratives:
"Usually a narrative begins with a qatal (historic perfect) and continues with a wayyiqtol (waw consecutive), which is followed, if need be, by other wayyiqtols, ..."

In Genesis 1, the first verb is (bara, create), which is perfect, while the subsequent verbs that move the narrative forward are a series of imperfects, including (wayyomer, And said, v. 3) and (wayehi, and there was, v. 3).
---Ktisophilos on 4/9/08

Psalm 104 is a poetic version of Genesis. It makes sense to write poetry about prose, but not poetry about poetry.

Genesis is not poetry but **structured prose**. The only poetic parts are quotations, e.g. the wicked Lamech in Genesis 4:2324. If Genesis were poetry, the enire book would look like Genesis 4:2324.
---Ktisophilos on 4/9/08

Trees clapping hands is just the sort of metaphor found in the poetic books of the Bible. If Genesis were meant to be taken metaphorically, then it would have metaphors! But it is not written in Hebrew poetry but has all the earmarks of Hebrew historical narrative. The New Testament takes the events, people and order of events as real history. So we should do the same.
---Ktisophilos on 4/9/08

Hebrew poetry contains parallelisms, not rhyme or rhythm.

Psalm 19:12 --
The heavens are telling the glory of God,
and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.
Day to day pours forth speech,
and night to night declares knowledge.

Or say something, then say the opposite:

Proverbs 28:1 --
The wicked flee when no one pursues,
but the righteous are bold as a lion

Or say something then extend it:

Psalm 24:4

Genesis is jut not like this
---Ktisophilos on 4/9/08

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Warwick ... can I expand my last point # 2?
It might help to explain what I've being saying.
"The trees clap their hands"
Literal & an actual historical event? true? Or True?
I doubt if it was literally accurate, or "true", because trees don't have hands.
But "True" because it shows the greatness of the praise David was expressing.
Which is more important? The literal accuracy, or the "Truth"?
---alan_of_UK on 4/9/08

Warwick ... # 1 ... I have questioned the literal accuracy of certain aspects of the Bible.
For me, the Genesis story is True because it tells us that God created the world.
My suggestion that the Bible, being written by men, may not have recorded in detail how He did it, and/or the timescale, does not make it less True, at least not for me.
I have made all that clear many times.
If you regard that as anti-Biblical, that is up to you.
---alan_of_UK on 4/9/08

Warwick ... # 2 "The trees clap their hands"
Literal & an actual historical event? true? Or True?
---alan_of_UK on 4/9/08

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