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Did The Apostles Worship Mary

Mary was a good woman who served God and fullfilled His purpose, but people brought it upon themselves to worship her. What is this fasination with Mary? Did Jesus or the Apostles preach Mary?

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No they didn't. Mary was brought up around the 300 ad in Greece, when the Catholic church wanted to bring the Greeks under their power, and Greece not wanting to give up their virgin goddess Diana, they offered up Mary to take Diana's place. This is where many believe it to have begun. There was no mention of Mary as they worship her now even in the Catholic Church before that time.
---kathr4453 on 8/9/07

But man dieth and wasted away man giveth up the ghost and where is he? As the waters fail from the sea and the flood decayeth and dried up So man lieth down and riseth not til the heavens be no more they shall not wake nor be raised out of their sleep That thou wouldest hide me in the grave that thou wouldest keep me secret until thy wrath be past that thou wouldest appoint me a set time and remember me If a man die shall he live again All the thy days of my appointed time will I wait till my change come
---Rebecca_D on 7/31/07

No. The apostles did not worship Mary would not allow it. When I think about Mary I see a humble woman who found favor in the sight of God. Not a women who wants to be worshipped but a God fearing Woman who God knew he could trust when it came to bringing up his son. My way of honoring Mary is learning from her example, not worshipping her.
---Marcia on 7/31/07

43And (Jesus)He said to him(the good thief dying this day on the cross), "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

So surely, if a thief who repents and dies gets to go to Heaven....surely I will too, if I do the same!
Yes PEOPLE IN THE SPIRIT DO GO TO HEAVEN...later we will get our glorified body as well.
---Lisa on 7/31/07

John 6:50
But the bread from heaven has come down, so that no one who eats it will ever die.
Never will ever die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John 6:58
The bread that comes down from heaven isn't like what your ancestors ate. THEY DIED, but whoever eats this bread will live forever.
---Lisa on 7/31/07

The Gospels state that Jesus led three of his apostles Peter, John the Apostle, and James the Great to pray at the top of a mountain. Once at the top, Jesus became transfigured, his face shining like the sun, and his clothes a brilliant white. The gospel narratives state that Elijah and Moses suddenly appeared with Jesus and talked with him,
drawing the conclusion that our spirit does go and can go to heaven.
---Lisa on 7/31/07

So Holly ::What you say is true each of us has a purpose created by God in the fabric of our lives.Are there not other specific conditions to show our destiny or do we just stumble along.Jesus created HIS church Matt16:17-19 for what reason ?to be of one accord.ARE we? if not, who are the divergent?those dedicated to his church teachings or divergent denominations.why does His Mother point the way back to Him?Reflect on those questions -Please I do not wish to argue but offer this as food for thought.
---Emcee on 7/30/07

So Holly ::What you say is true each of us has a purpose created by God in the fabric of our lives.Are there not other specific conditions to show our destiny or do we just stumble along.Jesus created HIS church Matt16:17-19 for what reason ?to be of one accord.ARE we? if not, who are the divergent?those dedicated to his church teachings or divergent denominations.why does His Mother point the way back to Him?Reflect on those questions -Please I do not wish to argue but offer this as food for thought.
---Emcee on 7/30/07

Of course not. The apostles knew that mary was human and knew better than to worship anything other than God because it was the sin of idolatry of which God hates. Idolatry, regarding worship of Mary came much later in church history.
---jody on 7/30/07

"Yes, people die and go to heaven"

If this were true, then who are the dead in Christ who are risen (along the the living) at the soon-to-come second coming?
---Steveng on 7/30/07

Lisa: Read Job 14:10-14, it explains it very well what happens to a person when they die. Job questioned God. He asked where does the dead go? If you read these verses, hopefully you'll understand.
---Rebecca_D on 7/30/07

yes people die and got to heaven.
Their spirit does.
Some go directly to hell.
No one is dormant. when you die you will go somewhere. This is the Christian belief. The Jewish religion believes differently, among many other anti-Jesus religions and cults.
---Lisa on 7/30/07

Emcee: The bible says we were ALL chosen in Him before the foundations of the earth. God had an assignment already chosen for all His children before they were even born. Mary had an assignment and yes, and so do we. She chose to embrace her assignment with obedience. She is a great example to us, that we should do the same. We all have VERY important assigments to complete for Him in our lives and we are ALL very important to God. The bible says God shows no favoritism.
---Holly4jc on 7/30/07

2) Lisa:
Psalm 139: 13 For You formed my inward parts, You covered me in my mothers womb.
14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made, Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them.
---Holly4jc on 7/29/07

Holy::True but she was chosen even before John the Baptist By the creator Himself which you Helin & some others deny.Satan is fully aware of this but wont disclose it as it does not suit his purpose for fear of having his head stomped on as Prophesied. But Facts are facts & recorded in history.The names that you assign may be incorrect.
---Emcee on 7/29/07

Lisa: Mary the mother of Jesus, is waiting for him to come back, just like the rest of the people whom died in Christ. Theirn not in heaven yet. Job asked God (paraphrasing) what happens to the person after death. Job 14:10-14. God found favor in Mary. But if a Christian walks with God daily, God will find favour in them. Pr 8:34-36. A good man (person) finds favour of the Lord, but a wicked man devices will condemn. Mary is not the only one whom God found favour in.
---Rebecca_D on 7/29/07

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Mary was officially named your co-redemptrix, Oh yes, what Jesus did on the cross was soarly lacking. Your mother Mary will save the world. Please...just type in co-redemptrix the RC loves to WORSHIP Mary. Poor Mary, mother of my Saviour "what have they done to you".
---Andrea on 7/29/07

1) Lisa: He knew her before she was born like us.

He knew ALL of us before we were born:
---Holly4jc on 7/29/07

Many people who have lead saintly lives are venerated/ canonized saints. There lives also are a role model to Christians. They gave their whole life to the Lord.
Like the Blessed Mother of our Lord Jesus!
There can only be one mother of the Lord.
Therefore that in itself is truly special, unique and important. She was created for this bear the Son of God. And no one else would be suitable.He knew her before she was born like us.
Stop demeaning the Mother of our Lord.
---Lisa on 7/29/07

Jesus calls us "blessed", just like Mary was:

Luke 6:22
BLESSED are you when men hate you, And when they exclude you, And revile you, and cast out your name as evil, For the Son of Mans sake.

John 20:29
Jesus said to him, Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. BLESSED are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
---Holly4jc on 7/29/07

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Jesus calls us "Chosen", just like Mary was also chosen to fulfill His plan:

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

John 15:16
You did not CHOOSE Me, but I CHOSE you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.
---Holly4jc on 7/29/07

Matthew 11:11
Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has NOT risen one greater than John the Baptist, but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Both Mary and John the Baptist were born of a woman. Jesus said NONE had been born greater than John the Baptist and that he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he (John). So according to Jesus, WE are even greater than John or Mary was. Should we be worshipped or venerated? Only Jesus should!
---Holly4jc on 7/29/07

Mary, The blessed Mother of the Lord , chose BY God Himself to be born of is definitely in Heaven.She is blessed to believe,and all generations will call her Blessed.

Many people who die, their spirit goes to heaven or hell. The Blessed mother of the Lord your God should be honored, respected for her "Yes" to the Lord. May all of us be as humble and do God's wilk as she did.
Surely God has rewarded her with eternal life in Heaven with her Son Jesus.
---Lisa on 7/28/07

Emcee - ("Its sad when the average Christian does not understand WORSHIP from HONOUR") -- The average Christian does understand that honour and worship are synonymous in the RCC. Emcee, do you realise that the RCC is breaking the 2nd Commandment to not make any images of anything in heaven or the earth or the water under the earth? (Exodus 20:4 and Deuteronomy 5:8-10).
---Helen_5378 on 7/28/07

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Lisa I have been in many RC churches & seen the Mary shrines with people on their knees praying to her. Mary though a woman of great faith was only human & is dead. She is not in heaven & has no preeminent position.

We should not pray to dead people as at best it's a waste of time as being dead they know nothing.

Pray directly to Christ as he alone hears what you pray.
---Warwick on 7/28/07

*RCC teaches young women and girls to imitate Mary. I think. That is a good thought but it is wrong and against the teachings of Christ.*

Though I am not Catholic, Young women in the church should follow Mary's example in sexual purity, love for God, faith in His Word, and a willingness to obey the Holy Spirit.

There were many godly people in the Bible that we learn variable lessons from. Therefore, I do not find this "wrong and against the teachings of Christ".
---Ramon on 7/28/07

*Then how did she get to be co-redemtrix?*

As far as I am concern, the Roman Catholic Church has never made that doctrine "official".

The August 25, 1997 edition of Newsweek magazine has a feature article on the petition drive to have the Pope make the formal definition of the fifth dogma.

However, they were tons of Catholics who heavily criticized this proposal. While some Catholics believe this doctrine, others don't. It was never made an "dogma" till this date.
---Ramon on 7/28/07

It is the Roman Catholic Church that invented the heresy of Mary worship. They have twisted and distorted the Scriptures to their own liking. Their judgment will be great and all who follow them.
---Helen_5378 on 7/27/07

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People have a mother fixation and Mary was the mother of Jesus. RCC teaches young women and girls to imitate Mary. I think. That is a good thought but it is wrong and against the teachings of Christ. We must know the truth.This is where the RCC errs in their teachings and many more errors throughout their religion.It is certainly not a relationship with Jesus they teach because Christianity is not a religion.
---Robyn on 7/27/07

no one that I know worships The Blessed Mother of the Lord . They venerate her.
# 2 Timothy 1:12
for which cause I also suffer these things, nevertheless I am not ashamed. For I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that Day.
---Lisa on 7/27/07

I'm aware the RC says they venerate Mary, not worship. Their actions speak otherwise. Then how did she get to be co-redemtrix? Hey Benedict is the one that took a stand and said other denominations were false.
---Andrea on 7/27/07

Its sad when the average Christian does not understand WORSHIP from HONOUR.It is mainly the apostated who make this claim possibly because this is what they did & did not know the difference & so they insist this is what others do.But is it too late now?
---Emcee on 7/26/07

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Its sad when the average Christian does not understand WORSHIP from HONOUR.It is mainly the apostated who make this claim possibly because this is what they did & did not know the difference & so they insist this is what others do.But is it too late now?
---Emcee on 7/26/07

No, the early church did not worship Mary. Mary would not have allowed it anyway. There were pagan religions that worshiped a woman in a long gown who had her hands extended - the RC as it often did gave them Mary instead of their pagan goddess. Thats how it started but this Mary co-redemptrix stuff is blasphemy.
---Andrea on 7/26/07

Paul told us, in I Timothy 4:1, "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons". in Ephesians 6:12. There was and is real spiritual power behind pagan religions, but it is satanic power. In other words, demons!..
---Grace on 6/28/07

Paul was preaching in Ephesus,had a problem with local idolatry.Time that the Bible says that persecution of Christians came directly from the conflict of the Church with idolatry. The people, before the Christian Faith,had mainly been worshippers of the goddess Artemis, or Diana. People gained their income from making images of her.Paul's preaching was so powerful(Acts 19:11-20) that it provoked the people who made the images of Artemis, and this resulted in a riot, which we read about in Acts 19:23-41.
---Grace on 6/28/07

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In time, the cult of Artemis was totally replaced by Christianity.While the cult was gone, the satanic powers behind the cult still existed.The Cult of Mary has grown tremendously in the past two centuries. (This, by the way, is another sign that we are in the age of the Church of Laodicea.)No where in the scripture say that we should pray to her but rather pray directly to the Father,John 16:26 & 27.
---Grace on 6/28/07

I was not looking for another church as I never found reason to abandon my own. However, I have many friends who are not Catholic and I sought to know more about their churches too. Later on, I have had many Christians tell me that I cannot be a Christian unless I leave the Catholic Church. It was only fair that I see if there was another church that might hold a better truth. It was an interesting but pointless venture.
---lorra8574 on 6/14/07

Ryan Z, I have yet to read a credible reason to abandon the longest standing Christian canon in existance. I attended a Bible study for one church and the binder was bigger than the Bible. This alone was not a big deal as the Catechism is also a fairly large book. But, I can read the Bible without the Catechism and not get lost. But I could not keep up with their doctrines without their binder full of charts and diagrams to keep them straight. So much for Sola Scriptura.
---lorra8574 on 6/14/07

I do not believe it is biblical to worship anyone besides God Himself - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Neither Jesus nor His apostles taught the worship of Mary or "saints."
---maryj9396 on 6/14/07

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Lorra, I find it fascinating that you find truth in the RCC, but then if you compare it with paganism and Islam, it could be different.
I am not a mindless RCC basher, am an ex-RCC who left5 becuse of abuse at the hnds of nuns. Now I have theological grounds for rejecting it.
Email me and we can chat, I don't want to score points, but to show where I believe that the error lies.
---mike8384 on 6/14/07

**...I tested a number of other churches...**

This in-and-of-itself may be the problem. The Curch is not man made. The Church is a body chosen of and by the Spirit. The Church is not found in what YOU decree to "Line-up" with scripture. The Church is the perfect bride of Christ. If you are looking for these things in man-made establishments you are looking in the wrong place.
---Ryan_Z on 6/11/07

**So far only the Catholic Church has measured up.**

This could be because they use an asortment of non-canonized books and creeds. When you are using texts outside of the Word of God you can make anything look true, just ask the Mormons and JW's.
---Ryan_Z on 6/11/07

**I have seen false accusations against my Church...but I will not leave my Church...IF I should discover that my Church lied to me...**

Funny...I thought the Church belonged to Christ and was His bride. Maybe when you understand that it is He who owns you and not the other way around you will see the flaws in many denominatons including your church.
---Ryan_Z on 6/11/07

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Lorra8574 - You insist that Peter was the first pope. Can you explain how this can be given the fact that the RCC did not come about until hundreds of years after Peter?
---Helen_5378 on 6/11/07

fmr. Catholic, I tested a number of other churches and none measured up to the scriptures. So far only the Catholic Church has measured up. I have seen false accusations against my Church, and many misunderstandings, but I will not leave my Church because you failed to understand it.
---lorra8574 on 6/11/07

fmr. Catholic P2: But fear not, I have a thirst for knowledge that will not leave any stone unturned. IF I should discover that my Church lied to me, I will drop her like a hot rock - just as I have already studied and dropped a number of Protestant denominations, Judaism, Mormonism, JWs, Islam and a host of Pagan religions.
---lorra8574 on 6/11/07

Ashley::Stories were handed down by word of Mouth later called Aesops Fables & the Argonoughts,The Golden Fleece ECT but this did not change the word of GOD.I believe before the printing press came into existance People were not so learned.Uneducated.
---Emcee on 6/11/07

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McDowell::There are Christians & there are real Christians who will not stoop to malign a servant of God.Because this is what we are called to do TO love to know & serve HIM on this earth & enjoy the rewards with HIM in the next.FrmCat:There is a level in Purgatory next to hell reserved for those who apostate,& deny& denigrate which is tantamount to abusing God.
---Emcee on 6/11/07

Mike,who do you consider an unbiased source?
---Johannes on 6/11/07

What is this fasination with Mary? Thats a good question so why do all the anti Catholic's keep bringing it up?
---Johannes on 6/11/07

Mary was Jesus' Mother here on earth, & when he was on the cross he asked his disciples to watch over her. She was human & died like all humans & returned to the earth,ash to ash dust to dust,but wil lbe alive again at the ressurection. She is NOT to be worshipped.Only God is.Jesus is the mediatro to his father not Mary nor the saints nor the Angels,but Jesus.
---candice on 6/11/07

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---donna on 6/11/07

Helen, did it not occur to you that Peter had a major task to do? When did he have time to be writting letters when Paul, a scholar not a fishman, had so much more time and ability? Now that the Church is established, the Popes have more time to write, but even so a lot was written before they became Pope.
---lorra8574 on 6/11/07

Helen, Peter made an error in judgement for which Paul rightly chastised him (Paul was not the last to chastise a reigning Pope). But you are making a fool out of Christ. Did Jesus or did He not give the Keys to Peter and ask him to tend His flock? Paul was right to rebuke Peter, but you have no cause. History showed that Peter was very active in the early Church until his death, and his successor became the head of the Church, not Paul's (although Paul did ordain a future pope into the priesthood).
---lorra8574 on 6/11/07

Lorra, nice try, but no real Christian believes you, and can clearly see how you twist the scriptures to try and win your argument. Maybe you think Mary and Peter can save you. Jesus Christ should be our focus, not Mary or Peter. They would rebuke you if they were around today, and would point the way to Christ. The Catholic Church is controlling you.
Jesus and the Apostles certainly did not preach Mary. Jesus is the door.
---McDowell on 6/11/07

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Lorra, the Catholic Church says, stand on your head. You are a puppet for the Catholic Church. Maybe you think that they can bail you out, on the last day. Purgatory tickets, anyone? The Catholic Church will answer to God for it's many lies and failures to tell the whole truth.
---fmr._Catholic on 6/11/07

Any genuine Christian knows that's it's not about Mary. It's all about Jesus. The Catholic Church started all this Mary worship stuff. "Catholic" is a bad word in our house for sure, and for obvious reasons. The internet is a great resource for history. Just go and study the history of the Catholic Church, from an unbiased source. Make sure it's unbiased for sure though, because the Catholic Church is a master of deception.
---mike on 6/11/07

You have the Mary of the bible and you have the Catholic Mary. Be careful, because the Catholic Mary is the devil. Just a warning, in love.
---betty_ann on 6/11/07

Will somebody please stand up for the truth and expose this terrible Mary worship! I don't know much about it but I know it's wrong. I love Jesus and I know He doesn't want me to pray to Mary.
---Jill on 6/11/07

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Mary_G::There is no Fascination.The people who don't understand blow it all out of Proportion.Mary was introduced to Humanity in Genesis,as "The woman"Many times Jesus refers to her as The WOMAN. Viz.Wedding at Canna & The Crucifiction.History determines this Creation concieved by Almighty God in Genesis to be called MARY ,the Immaculate Conception .What is needed is respect by those who do not understand.
---Emcee on 6/11/07

I came across some very interesting facts when studying Poland and Germany from 1000 A.D.-present for my new book. Did you know that during the reformation, the pope at the time incorporated and changed many doctrines of the catholics to please all the heretics and protestants. He had the catholic bible written to show those changes, so everyone would not leave catholicism. when you study history of other countries, you see how far they went to kill rebellion and keep their power base in Rome.
---ashley on 6/11/07

Lorra, you lay on a good fantasy. You are surely in a cult. Your church is your God. It will forsake and confound you in the end. Jesus is the way. Denise (xcatholic).
---Denise on 6/11/07

Ryan Z, you are correct sir. Everything that you wrote is true and according to the Word of God. Ryan, when I was a Catholic, I too believed these lies, and thought that I was a Christian, but just like most Catholics, I was mixing lies with the truth of God's Word. I didn't know. I was like Lorra, ignorant and in the dark.
Lorra, take the "Who is Mary " quiz.
---Kendall on 6/11/07

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Lorra8574 - What it is interesting is that nothing is heard of Peter after Jesus ascended back to Heaven. After that the Apostle Paul is spoken of right throughout the rest of the New Testament.
---Helen_5378 on 6/11/07

2/... I actually just made a mistake in what I said and realised it immediately after I hit "send". The last Peter was heard of, if I am correct, is when the Apostle Paul withstood him to his face in the Book of Galatians (Galatians 2:11-21). Peter was off into false teaching, while Paul never made such a mistake. The whole message of Jesus Christ and Him crucified was given directly by Jesus to the Apostle Paul. The role Paul played was a very important one, more so than Peter I believe.
---Helen_5378 on 6/11/07

Mary was not to be worshiped. She was the virgin who birth Jesus into this world. She is called blessed because of that. If you study the history you will find that Mother Mary became an idol in the old Priesthood days in England. It's a long story.
---Brenda on 6/11/07

Ryan Z, I find it interesting that Jesus gave Peter, not Paul, the Keys to the Kingdom. Jesus gave Peter not Paul the commandment to tend to His flock. Peter, not Paul or anyone else, stepped out of the boat and walked on water. And when Jesus was arrested, only Peter was there to deny Him, none of the others even showed up.

Yet, in spite of all this being in scripture, Protestants look to Paul and dismiss Peter. May you think Jesus was a fool and should have picked Paul?
---lorra8574 on 6/10/07

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Ryan Z, P2: The Apostles did not preach Mary, the Bible did. We are not called to worship Mary, but the scriptures prophecy that all generations will call her blessed. One of the most popular Marian prayers, The Magnificat, is taken verbatum from Luke because it was arranged and recorded as a Canticle not just a generic passage. If you were more familiar with scripture you would have recognised that there are many of these in both the Old and New Testament and not just about Mary.
---lorra8574 on 6/10/07

Ryan Z, P3: If you did understand Spanish, you would have heard more scripture during that wedding mass than you have heard in any Protestant service you have ever attended. The readings, the Psalms, the prayers and many other components are all directly from the scriptures. And when the Priest spoke in the Homily (like a sermon) it was also likely about the scriptures that were read.
---lorra8574 on 6/10/07

Mary_G: Regarding your 1st two sentences, some folk have chosen to follow false doctrines instead of what the Bible actually says.

Upon a careful & objective reading of the Bible I hope you'll clearly see Jesus nor the apostles preached Mary.

Contrary to the false teaching of some, Mary wasn't the mother of God. God chose her to birth Jesus (the God Man, aka, Son of Man)into the world for the remission of our sin -- Mary's too.

Mary indeed was a good woman who faithfully served God.
---Leon on 6/10/07

#1 I went to a wedding yesterday. Some good friends of ours, who are Mexican and catholic, were united in marital bliss. The entire thing was in Spanish, and as I am Caucasian with nominal understanding of Spanish, I understood nothing. Since the wedding was done in the catholic tradition it stood on an enormous ammount of ceremony, which I consider to be vain and empty.
---Ryan_Z on 6/10/07

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#2 So, whilst I sat, inbetween the standing & sittting, becasue catholic ceremonies are as much an exercise in calasthenics as they are empty chatter, I picked up some of the literature in front of me. The worship of Mary and her perpetual virginity were very appearant in much of the available literature. I also found it interesting that the apocryphal books were injected into their bible alongside the cannonized scripture with no differentiantion, such as the "Book of Wisdom."
---Ryan_Z on 6/10/07

#3 Bottom line, catholicism is a cult with cultish worship practices and idolization of saints and Mary.
---Ryan_Z on 6/10/07

#4 I also find a few other things amusing.
1) Catholics claim Peter to be the first pope, isn't it funny Peter was chastized by Paul?
2) Isn't it odd that the supposed first pope has one great sermon in Acts then basically fades into obscurity and Paul emerges as the primary author of the New Testament?
3) Where, in Paul's epistles, do you see any mention of Mary or adoration of her as the woman chosen to birth the Messiah?
---Ryan_Z on 6/10/07

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