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Angels Awaiting Judgment

After reading Genesis 6:1-4; I Peter 3:18-20; II Peter 2:4-5; & Jude 6 would you agree that the spirits in prison (I Peter 3:19) receiving proclamation of the Christ, are merely rebellious angels awaiting judgment?

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19-By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20-Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water"
NO I do not believe that it is angels being spoken of here!!
---mima on 3/2/08

Leon, **...I'm convinced I can show you nothing you're not willing to see. I pray God's truth will touch your heart.**

Tha is funny, I have the same thought about you. The rub is only one of us is right or possibly that both of us are wrong. Either way I love you, God bless.
---Ryan_Z on 7/12/07

Ryan, I'm convinced I can show you nothing you're not willing to see. I pray God's truth will touch your heart. :)
---Leon on 7/11/07

Leon, show me where I am in error and I will humbly and gladly admit it.
---Ryan_Z on 7/10/07

Correction. I said, ". Also, this view is the minority view of Renown Bible scholars, not that is really matters anyway."

I meant majority not minority.
---Ramon on 7/10/07

Ramon, I agree with you 100%.
---Ryan_Z on 7/10/07

Ryan_Z: In haste I typed my comment on 7/9. Admittedly, I was "in error" when I called you Randy. I don't "know" (yada) why I did. Maybe it's because both names have the word ran in them? :D Please forgive me. :)

By the way, it sounds like you closely identify with (may even know what you're talking about regarding) people who have difficulty humbling themselves and admitting they're wrong.
---Leon on 7/10/07

Ryan- The Spirits in Prison according to I Peter 3:19 are rebellion angels who sin (II Peter 2:4-5; & Jude 6). The best way to understand these Scriptures is to go back to Gen 6:1-4.

Concerning 2 Peter 2:4-5 Jude 6- Its quite clear that these are not the angels that left with Lucifer. They are not not bound in prison. And will not be until the end of age. Thereby, these Scriptures must be understood as referring to "other angels" who sin besides Lucifer and His angels.
---Ramon on 7/10/07

Ryan.#2 Gen 6:1-4 has always been understood in the Early Church as being an reference to angels who "left their place" (as Jude puts it), and came to earth and sin. They, like Lucifer and his angels, choose to sin and break their fellowship with God.

The phrase "Sons of God" has always refer to "angels" in the OT, while in the NT, its refers to men. Also, this view is the minority view of Renown Bible scholars, not that is really matters anyway.
---Ramon on 7/10/07

Ryan.#3 2Peter 2:4. "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment"

This Gk. word for hell is Tartarus occurs only here in the NT. Who were these angels that Peter spoke of?

The First thing we should understand is that Lucifer and His angels are not bound, so its foolish to think that this verse is speaking of the Fall of Lucifer (as describe in Revelation).
---Ramon on 7/10/07

Ryan.#4 Now, Tartarus is an special place reserved for the angels who sin. The Greeks taught that Tartarus was a place lower than Hades reserved for most wicked of human beings, gods, and demons.

The demons feared going there and begged Jesus during His life on earth not to send them there (cf. Matt 8:29; Luke 8:31). Some demons are bound only temporarily (Rev 12:7-12). But this Scripture, along with Jude 6-7, tells us that these specific angels are bound forever.
---Ramon on 7/10/07

Ryan.#5 So clearly this is an very serious place. Now Peter doesn't really give us a clear indication of the "sin" of these angels. For that we go to Jude 6-7 which give a better understanding of this.

Jude refers to angels who did not remain in their initial position of authority, but who rebelled against God, broke His laws, and are now in prison awaiting judgment (Jude 6). These angels have "everlasting chains" on. Again, not talking about the Fall of Lucifer.
---Ramon on 7/10/07

Ryan.#6 In verse 7 of Jude's epistle, he compares the sexual wickedness in Sodom, Gomorrah, and the surrounding cities to the sin of the angels (Jude 6, cf. Gen 6:1-4).

Because of the punctuation of verse 7 in many translations, this Scripture appears to say that Sodom and Gomorrah, as well as the cities around them, gave themselves over to sexual immorality. However, the underlying Greek text does not support this interpretation. Some translations have correctly translated Jude 6-7.
---Ramon on 7/10/07

Ryan.#7 So Jude clearly were connecting the events of Gen 6:1-4. Now, Peter talked about spirits who were disobedient during the time of Noah, but are in prison (1 Pet 3:19). Gen 6:1-4 tells us something that happen during the time of Noah. Its quite clear that that the spirits are angels. Peter later talk about angels who sin and are in "prison" (2 Peter 2:4-5).

The view that 1 Peter 3:18-20 is talking about humans spirits (or souls) has too many problems.
---Ramon on 7/10/07

Ryan.#8 It makes more sense and more biblically to conclude that I Peter 3:19 is a reference to angels who were disobedient during the time of Noah. 2 Peter 2:4-6, Jude 6-7 (using the Greek text) talks about angels who sin and are in prison; Jude 6-7 tells us their sin.

Both 2 Peter 2:4-10 and 1 Peter 3:18-20 link these imprisoned angels with the judgment of the ancient world during the time of Noah (the Flood).
---Ramon on 7/10/07

Ryan.#9 I believe this is the correct interpretation for the above Scriptures. I don't believe I Peter 3:18-20 is talking about humans souls; the evidence agaisnt it is too great. And Yes I do believe Gen 6:1-4 is talking about angels who decided to sin. The Nephilim were their offsprings.

If you disagree with me then thats fine Ryan Z. Also, I don't feel that this subject will affect our salvation. Some in the past has accuse me of sinning, not honoring God, because I believe these things.
---Ramon on 7/10/07

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Scripture is clear the angels that came down in Genesis 6 are reserved in everlasting chains for judgement. It is clear they will sit there until the judgement and get judged. Jesus has no reason to preach to fallen angels. They already knew the truth. Jesus preached to people who disobeyed God in the times of Noah. What is Jesus going to tell demons they don't already know? The angels had the privelage of already knowing grace since they existed. They don't get a second chance.
---Matthew on 7/9/07

Leon, I understand. People have difficulty humbling themselves and admitting they are in error. And why do you keep calling me Randy?
---Ryan_Z on 7/9/07

Randy: I stand with Mima & Jack, & on what the Bible clearly says.
---Leon on 7/9/07

Things Occuring In the Days of Noah

A) 1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
---Ryan_Z on 7/7/07

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3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore {children} to them. Those were the mighty men who {were} of old, men of renown.
---Ryan_Z on 7/7/07

Where, in scripture, do spirits ever get put in prison?
---Ryan_Z on 7/7/07

Yes. I for one have no doubt. No where in scripture is the word 'spirits', as a noun, used in reference to man, dead or otherwise. The word is associated with men only once, referencing an attitude - mental disposition or way of thinking & reacting. Heb.12:23 "The spirits of just men made perfect."

To Moderator only. This is a correction to my prior post on this subject, not an addition. Please disregard the other. Thanks
---joseph on 7/7/07

No. I don't agree at al.

This has always been understood to refer the spirits of the righteous (some of them referred to in Heb 11) who died before Jesus.
---Jack on 7/7/07

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