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Is This An Unknown Tongue

In first Corinthians 14:14 we find this,
"For if I pray in an unknown tongue, MY SPIRIT PRAYETH, but my understanding is unfruitful" Could this be the prayer language that people speak of?

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Matt God is calling you to receive this blessing of the Holy Spirit so that you can be a true worshipper who worships in spirit and in truth (John4,24) Otherwise why are you even taking an interest in this blog?
God doesn't need a prayer language but in His wisdom He has decided that we fo, so that we can edify ourselves 1Corinthians14,4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself
And build up our faith
Jude19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,
So obviously if our faith is built up and we are edified we are able to edify and encourage others
---Rodney on 12/11/09

Yes, it is, and the Apostle Paul further writes to Christians (in this case the Corinthian Christians, but, by inference, to all Christians) "I thank God I speak in tongues more than ye all." And in another place he says of our spiritual walk "be ye imitators of me, as I am of Christ." If we walk as Paul walked, we will covet spiritual gifts because Paul also said he would not have us ignorant of these matters and that we should covet spiritual gifts.
---Allan on 5/19/08

Why does God need his 'own' spirit language? Do we really assume that God communicates using a string of different soundwaves strung together? I haven't been shown the truth of speaking in tongues yet, so I don't think it's something I should dabble in. If the Lord wanted me to speak in tongues, he'd prepare me and lead me to do so. If / when I ever did, I think I'd be confident that it was God's will for me before it took place.
---Matt on 5/10/08

Speaking in tongues or praying in tongues. No one, not even the person understands what they are saying, unless it be interupted.
---Rebecca_D on 5/8/08

I am more Baptist than any Baptist preacher I know. Because I believe in absolute positive unconditional eternal security. Or OSAS. But I also was given the gift of speaking in tongues. Which gift set me at odds with Baptist doctrine. Today I considered tongues the best thing that ever happened to me as concerns my walk with God.
---mima on 8/24/07

Do good mainstream Baptists speak in tongues

Are they the Bapticostals a I hear about?

Do JW, LDS or SDA?
---Andrea on 8/24/07

Our focus is to be Christ, He gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit -to ALL that believe.
The GIFT is the Holy Spirit - one of the many manifestations of the Spirit is "different kinds of languages".

One of evidences of the presence of the Holy Spirit is what we call 'tongues' it maybe a lesser gift - but any gift from God is a good gift.
85 words does not give space for the whys go to ICor 12-14
note gifts and manisfestations of the Spirit are given dividedly

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---Andrea on 8/15/07

There are churches with sound doctrine who do not believe these gifts are in operation - or that a language is a known tongue - I don't think scripture bears that out.
Decide for yourself - you are NOT less of a Christian if you won't pray in God's language but a gift not recieved from the Lord ..........?

If you believe God can still do miracles then open your mouth asking for God to fill it - give it voice - and what can it hurt - if God wants you to have it - at least STUDY HIS WORD!!!
---Andrea on 8/15/07

Yes it is. Read the whole chapter in context.
---Paul on 8/14/07

Yes people have interpreted this as "the prayer language". Paul,however,goes on to say that it is a minor gift as noone (except it be interpreted)knows what is being said. He tells us all to pray for the gift of prophecy and we learn in the book of Revelations that Jesus Christ IS the SPIRIT of PROPHECY. In the end "they overcame them by the WORD OF THEIR TESTIMONY AND THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. The word that is understood is much better and more powerfull.
---jody on 8/14/07

1 Corinthians 13:1
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

So speaking in tongues is a language given to you by the Lord, and its a language of men or angels
---Andrea on 8/14/07

Why if we believe that the other gifts are active in the church today is there still an argument about praying in tongues?

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COR12:8 and 9
For to one is given through [dia] the spirit a message of wisdom, and to another a message of knowledge because of [kata] the same spirit,
(9) to a different one faith by [en] the same spirit, and to another gifts of healings by [en] the one [heis] spirit,
---Andrea on 8/14/07

In church no one would know if this person is praying a native language or a foreign language, he is instructed to be silent. This word does not mean to pray. Silent in its original form means to hold ones peace, be quite and is in the present, active, and imperative form, which means its a stern command. The root word of silent comes from a word that means to hiss at in disapproval or in the vernacular be quiet.
---Bart on 8/12/07

You go Leon..:)
---DANNYBOY on 8/3/07

Mima, #1: Forget what truth-twisting "people speak of"!

What does 1 Cor. 14, in context, really teach? Was Paul accepting or rejecting the practice of speaking in unknown tongues without benefit of interpretation for the edification of hearers? Is a private prayer language ligitimate? The Apostle Paul didn't seem to think so.

Chapter 14 focuses primarily on prophesy, edification, exhortation, intrepretation...

"words easy to UNDERSTAND". (vs. 9)
---Leon on 8/2/07

Mima, #2:
- Q. What & to whom are tongues for?
- A. "For" a sign "to" unbelievers. (1 Cor. 14:22-25)

"Prophesying", not a mysterious (unintelligible) prayer language, is for believers. (vs. 22-25)

In other words, "believers" must not dabble in OCCULT (secret, hidden) practices. Dire spiritual & physical results befall people who open themselves to this diabolical practice.
---Leon on 8/2/07

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Yes, and how powerful it is to pray in the spirit, while Jesus intercedes on our behalf at the right hand of the Father.
---Ivory on 7/27/07

Jack, Un, no. When God spoke in the Old Testament, what did he say after he spoke? Thus saith the Lord. So if you don't believe in God speaking through someone, then don't. But for me I know when God does speak through someone. Cause my spirit bares record with their spirit. Apparently yours don't. Cause you don't even believe it.
---Rebecca_D on 7/20/07

Jack: Me showing off, yeah about God's word. The only thing your doing about the word is making fun of his word. Jack you really don't know what speaking in tongues is. It is a gift from the Holy Ghost. It isn't someone speaking in Chinese, Japanese, Koren, or even Hebrew, Greek. It is the Holy Ghost language. Not all of them were baptized by the Holy Ghost.
---Rebecca_D on 7/20/07

Matthew the only time tongues do require interpretation is when a person is prophecying not when he or she is worshipping God.

Paul no where stated that we are to have an interpreter when we are speaking to God.

There is a big difference between me addressing the congregation & talking to God.

The only tongues that require interpretation is the one listed as one of the 9-gifts of the Holy Spirit.
---Rickey on 7/20/07

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Matthew at the sametime I ask that if you strongly believe what you've stated, please show me scripturally.

Be blessed,
---Rickey on 7/20/07

**ou will know if it is of God or if it is just someone babbling.**

The question, Rebecca, is WHY didn't all these Holy Ghost filled people recognize the Lord's Prayer in the original Biblical language.

---Jack on 7/19/07

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Adding "Thus saith the Lord" to a fatwa, even a Christian one, doesn't guarantee that this is a word the Lord really gave. The Bible itself is full of such warnings.
---Jack on 7/19/07

**Thus saith the Lord. Jack, You will know if it is of God or if it is just someone babbling.**

Why do I get the feeling that what you really mean is "Thus saith Rebecca"?

Sorry, but I've seen too much of your showing off here to take anything you say as coming from the Lord.
---Jack on 7/19/07

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One of my Greek instructors attended a tongues meeting at a local AOG church. He deliberately rattled off one of the Psalms in Greek. Some woman got up and gave an interpretation. After introducing himself and telling the group what he did, all bedlam broke loose, people got up and walked out.
---lee on 7/19/07

Rickey in private you can speak in an unkown tongue all you want without an interpretor. In public, though Paul said if there is no interpretor we need to keep our mouths shut.
---Matthew_from_LA on 7/19/07

Jack: You said this interpreter was certified, but by whom certified him/her? Did they get their certifican at a college or from God? If someone is speaking in tongues, and there is an interpreter (which is a gift from God), God will speak through the interpreter and will always say after his message, Thus saith the Lord. Jack, You will know if it is of God or if it is just someone babbling.
---Rebecca_D on 7/19/07

I partially agree with Matthew. But in service the only time tongues requires interpretation is when it is one of the 9-gifts of the Holy Spirit, but not when I myself am speaking in tongues talking to God.

When I speak in an unknown tongue I speak not unto man, but unto God. It doesn't need interpretation because I am not talking to anyone, but God.
---Rickey on 7/19/07

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It's like me on the phone talking to someone in chinese. They understand me & I am not talking to anyone, but them. If someone sitting next to me tries to bud & don't understand because they don't speak chinese I don't need to interpret to them because I am not talking to them or anyone else in the room. Same in church.
---Rickey on 7/19/07

The gift of interpetation. It is listed among the gufts for a reason because it is a required gift to be used amongst tongue speakers, because the gift of tongues is mostly not an understood tongue. It needs one who has the gift of interpretation. When Paul said he would rather pray with understanding he was referring to when he is amongst other people(read the passage he says "in the CHurch"). Uninterpreted tongues are unedifying in the Church. In private there is nothing wrong with it.
---Matthew_from_LA on 7/19/07

Those who claim the gift of tongues must be like the tongues on Pentecost reject the gift of interpretation and claim the tongues throughout the epistles were the tongues in Pentecost even though they clearly weren't(they needed interpretation). People who reject that people have the gift of tongues today. and that most of them require interpretation because they are tongues not understood by man. are on the road to blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
---Matthew_from_LA on 7/19/07

Correction, it is not until one speaks against the gifts that they are on the road to blaspheming. Disbelieving in them won't cause you to blaspheme but fighting it and speaking out against it will.
---Matthew_from_LA on 7/19/07

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Probably is the one that they refer to. The tongues of pentecost are certainly not them as they were understood by multitudes of all types of languages. However,some mix this up with 'praying in the Spirit'. That is a false teaching Paul says that he would rather pray with understanding. This means that sincerly praying in truth in a known tongue is praying in the Spirit. I am sure that Paul always prayed in the Spirit. Jesus also prayed in a known tongue. He left the Lords prayer for believers to pray.
---jody on 7/18/07

There is the evidence of tongues and the gift of tongues for prophesy.
Both are distinct.
The prophesy must be interpreted.
The evidence is the tongues in which the Spirit makes intercession with the Lord in a language we do not understand for things we know not to pray for.
Such as spiritual discernment of scripture so often ignored here!
Mainly by those who don't have it!
---Frank on 7/18/07

Yes, I believe it is. An unknown tongue is unknown. It's not English, Spanish, German, Chinese, or any other language because it's unknown. But just because his understanding was unfruitful doesn't mean there was no spiritual fruit.
---john on 7/18/07

first we have to realize that the italicized word unknown was added by the english translators. Then by context wouldn't Paul have said "the Holy Spirit" rather than My spirit? Notice that the word spirit is capitalized when regarding the Holy Spirit and not so when referring to our spirit. So a tongue could be any language here and don't we ALL pray with our spirit? Ya gotta believe at that time the true gift as in Acts was to spread the word to all nations.
---DANNYBOY on 7/18/07

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If praying in the spirit is speaking in tongues then that denies those of us that can't speak in tongues the privledge. That's a devisive way to look at the Word ya think? Didn't Paul say that there are many voices in the world and yet none are with out signification.
---DANNYBOY on 7/18/07

**No one, not even the person understands what they are saying, unless it be interupted.**

Once at a tongues-and-interpretation gathering, someone stood up and said, "Patir imon, o en tis ouranois, agiasthito onoma sou." A certified interpreter started the usual "My children, I am with you to bless you" rap. The first speaker said, "You mean to say that the Holy Ghost didn't recognize the Lord's Prayer in Greek?"
---Jack on 7/18/07

Yes that is exactly what it is. In 1Thessalonians 5:23 it shows that you are a spirit, have a soul, are in a body.

Your soul is your mind, will, emotions, reasoning.

When your spirit prays tongues your natural(soulish arena) doesn't understand.

Many say speaking in tongues, but that isn't the intent of "speaking tongues". The intent is to pray out of your spirit. It give you direct communication w/ God.
---Rickey on 7/18/07

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