Tongues In The Spirit
Does first Corinthians 14:15,"What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." Refers to speaking in tongues and an understandable language. What do you think?
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---Mima on 7/20/07
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greetings.In the story of the publican and the sinner,who understood the spirit?Who knew what manner of spirit he was of?Who prayed with intelligent prayer and who was unteachable and did not know the spiritual value of intelligent prayer?
---earl on 6/6/08|
Jay - not exactly - the early church was abusing the gifts and getting all puffed up and proud about who had or did what. They needed instruction on the appropriate way to express their 'gifts' and not to value them more then love and good character.
When I'm in church or a prayer meeting and I sing or pray in the Spirit it is not in anyway disruptive.
You wouldn't sing during the sermon
---Andrea on 8/22/07|
Verse 14 is glossolalia.
Verse 15 is a learned language.
Verse 16 is again glossolalia.
Paul was trying to tell the church in Corinth that glossolalia is a waste of a church's time for no one is edified without interpretation. So it was to be limited or not used at all in public. Even a learned language should not be used without an interpretation. It is useless to those who hear without understanding.
---Jay on 8/18/07|
Four egos, same person on this one blog.
Robyn, Robin, Marcia, Andrea...
---Valeerie on 8/18/07|
Just thought I tell you that would not be called speaking in the Spirit, that would be called manipulation(another form of trickery).
---Marcia on 8/18/07|
robin -i've heard that identical story from a number of people - sounds like there is definitely some deception going on.
just bc some people abuse the gifts (or it may appear that way) does not negate the gift.
There have been historically people who have faked miracles of healing -does that mean that God does not heal?
---Andrea on 8/17/07|
I know of a man from Africa who decided to test the spirit in a tongue speaking church. He stood up and recited the Lord's prayer in his African dialect. Someone else stood up and "interpreted" saying some nonsense that had nothing to do with the Lord's prayer...
Another recorded someone speaking in tongues and brought it to several different interpreters of tongues. They all gave a different interpretation... seems a bit of deception going on.
---robin8683 on 8/17/07|
ICor 14:2For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him], howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
if this is a known language why would would noone be able to understand but God?
---Andrea on 8/16/07|
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The (one) gift is holy spirit, the divine nature of God, who is called the Holy Spirit, the Giver. The gift He gives is holy spirit, His divine nature.
---Andrea on 8/13/07|
If everyone is in the agreement of understanding, that the word of GOD is truth, then why don't people follow 1 Cor 14:27-28.
1Cr 14:27 If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course, and let one interpret.
1Cr 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church, and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Obedience is better that sacrifice.
---ray3399 on 8/11/07|
MATT LA and I agree with you.
This is not something that is going to go away. It has been accepted into every denomination. Now that in itself does not make it right, but many people have studied it and it is genuine.
Yes, some people abuse the gift, that happened in the early church. That does not invalidate the gift.
The gifts are given dividedly - which I take as meaning not everyone speaks in tongues and I do not tell anyone that they have to - quite the opposite.
---Andrea on 8/10/07|
I beleive that the answer is in 1 Cor. 10-11...All evidence points to tounges being a intellegent language. Not some lip loosing that many do because of their lust for the gift. 1Cr 14:10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them [is] without signification.
1Cr 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh [shall be] a barbarian unto me.
---ray3399 on 8/10/07|
Andrea I hope you understand that not every Christian is given the gift of tongues. I understand the United Pentecostal Church preach a false doctrine saying you must speak in tongues to be saved. In doing so it causes people to unnnecessarily doubt their salvation and also ,those who believe the doctrine and are desperate and weren't given the gift speak in false tongues inadvertantly.
---Matthew_from_LA on 8/10/07|
It is not up to us to understand the phenomenon of 'tongues' it is a free gift. When I pray I don't always know how to pray so I pray in the spirit the perfect will of God. It may be difficult to understand and impossible to say in 85 words so go to Icor 13 & 14 and tell me where it says the gifts ceased - it does not. There are other scriptures but since this argument can go on and on there are many Pentecostal sites that give scripture refs.
---Andrea on 8/9/07|
*What Pentecostals experience is bio-chemical, the release of endorphines into the bloodstream*
I think you're right to misunderstand these things, since you reason naturally. The Bible says "the natural person doesnt accept what pertains to the Spirit of God, for to him it is foolishness, and he can't understand it, because it is judged spiritually" (2 Cor. 2:14). So a natural person like you is simply too incompetent and ignorant to understand the things of God. God bless you.
---Jackie on 8/1/07|
We should ask ourselves, why are the gifts of the Spirit given? Isn't if for the advancement of God's kingdom. When the crowd heard the apostles speak each in their own language it was to spread the gospel. This is the purpose of all the gifts which will be distributed when and how they are needed.
Frankly, I don't see how the modern day phenomenon of "tongues" does this.
---Robin on 7/26/07|
Patrick, we are told to desire the gifts and more than once in scriputre.
1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
Also read 1 Corinthians 12:28-31 where we are told to earnestly covet the gifts.
---Matthew_from_LA on 7/25/07|
MikeM ...meaningless to whom? My thought is you don't speak in tongues (personally I don't think all do ie: gifts are given dividedly) but when exactly did this gift stop or did God just stop doing miracles too? I'm always surprised by Christians who would quench the HS. Give it a chance, forget your pride your denomination...go to God and ask "if this gift is for me too".
---Andrea on 7/25/07|
* Andrea....With all due respect I disagree.
Show In the Bible where Peter and Paul (chosen by CHRIST)spoke in tounges.You won't find it. *
Greg, you seriously need to read the Bible. With all due respect, please take your Bible and open it. Both Peter and Paul spoke in tongues (Acts 2, 1 Cor 14:18).
---Ramon on 7/25/07|
Tongues is a gift from the HS. Gifts are NOT to be sought after. God gives according to HIS purposes, mainly to edify HIS church. Wether unknown, angelic or plain english there are guidelines to follow in 1 Cor 12,13, and 14. Remember, our God is a God of order not chaos and confusion.
---Patrick on 7/25/07|
Peter along with the other diciples spoke in tongues. And were in the upper room when the Holy Ghost fell upon them. Acts ch 1 & 2. We all have a gift or gifts from God, but as he told Paul we are to stir up the gift that God has given us.
---Rebecca_D on 7/25/07|
It means a spirit filled Christian should and can do both. We can pray in tongues and then pray in understanding(our native language) We can also sing in the spirit under the power of the Holy Ghost. The words just seem to flow. It is the Holy Ghost that provide the words and the ability for you to sing in the spirit.You become overjoyed and filled completely, with the spirit.
---Robyn on 7/25/07|
Andrea, My point is simple. glossolalia consists of strings of meaningless syllables made up of sounds taken from those familiar to the speaker and put together more or less haphazardly Glossolalia is language-like because the speaker unconsciously is animated by chemical impulses, these are opiades generated in the body. I am stating facts, be they positive or negative. If they can be refuted, I invite refutation, if not my points, based on objective facts, stand.
---MikeM on 7/25/07|
"Show In the Bible where Peter and Paul (chosen by CHRIST)spoke in tounges...."
Peter was one of the 120 in the upper room. Every one of them were baptized in the Holy Ghost and spoke with tongues as the Spirit gave the utterance. Acts 2:1-4
Paul said, "I speak with tongues more than ye all.." and he even thanked God for it.
So, with all due respect, perhaps you should read your Bible.
---Linda on 7/25/07|
In the text, he has already referred to tongues as unintellegeble speach that only God and certain gifted persons can understand. After that he is claiming that it is better to pray,and sing in a known language and in the Spirit than in a heavenly language called 'tongues'. In otherwords, one can speak in a known tongue or language(like english)and be speaking in the Spirit at the same time. There are false teachings which say that speaking in the Spirit is tongues.
---jody on 7/25/07|
Greg Paul wrote Corinthians, so read(1 Corinthians 4:9). Also read the beginning of Acts 2 where all the apostles spoke in tongues after receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
---Mattthew_from_LA on 7/25/07|
Andrea....With all due respect I disagree.
Show In the Bible where Peter and Paul (chosen by CHRIST)spoke in tounges.You won't find it. So according to you they will not bear fruit. Look at the first 4 chapters of Acts. 8000 coming to Christ sure looks like bearing fruit to me.
---Greg on 7/25/07|
No MikeM it is not clear what you believe. Did your science verify or vilify? If we need Science to verify the Holy Spirit are in trouble. Please, do not let the filling of the HS rest in your opinion of tongues. The gift is controlled by the person....cnt
---Andrea on 7/25/07|
you do not need to speak in tongues to be filled, but you will have that ability. Do you think the gift to speak in other known languages has stopped too. How do you know if you have that gift if you never open your mouth and speak it?
---Andrea on 7/25/07|
My point from 7/23 firmly stands.
---MikeM on 7/24/07|
I've been Baptized in the HS for 20 years and have really taken a hard critical look at this (read all the opposing opinions and apologetics). I just do not see the fruit of the spirit in these other churches. I see good works and I don't think you have to speak in tongues to be saved, but where do you get your power to live. There's seems to be a lack of joy in our Lord. Pentecostal does not equal perfect - we've got our problems too, but for joy, love and fruit of the Spirit. Yes.
---Andrea on 7/24/07|
---David the answer to your question is this. I know a case where a young Chinese girl heard some students speaking Chinese. But this girl heard them speaking in English about God. She immediately went to them, presented the message and they all accepted the Lord Jesus Christ. But many people who were standing about the students never will anything but Chinese. So all things are possible only believe!!!!!
---Mima on 7/24/07|
To David--- I believe that on the day of pentecost many followers were speaking tongues, but notice what the Scripture says about the listeners." because that every man heard them speak in his own language"
so the miracle may be in the hearers ears
and not the speaker's tongues speaking tongues.
---mima on 7/24/07|
Praying in the spirit is praying in tongues. Praying with understanding is praying in your own language.
---Helen_5378 on 7/24/07|
I believe that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are still being given today. And I have been to many charismatic churches. But still, I find it suspicious that I have not once had the experience of someone spontaneously developing the ability to speak, say, Japanese, never having been to Japan and never having studied the language. It's always some "language of angels", conveniently relieving the speaker from establishing that he wasn't just muttering gibberish.
---David on 7/24/07|
I have come to believe that no matter what religion you believe in, we ere because we are not perfect. What I have seen is failure of faith and prayer. Speaking in tongues is a mystery to a lot of people. But when I visit other churches that don't exercise that type of worship, there seems to be a void in some way. I have heard people express the term "occult" and I understand. But I can also look at other religions and view them in the same way. So who is right or wrong is left to the believer.
---Keith on 7/23/07|
Having been raised around this I have seen it. What pentacostals experience is bio-chemical,the release of endorphines into the bloodstream. This has been abundantly studied and is well understood in the scientific community.
---MikeM on 7/23/07|
the speaking in a tongue, not the man speaks, but of God: for no one follows, but the Spirit speaks mysteries.[unknown tongue]For if I pray in a tongue, the Spirit in me prays, but the knowledge in me is unfruitful. [unknown tongue] What then to be? I will pray in the Spirit, and I will pray also in the knowledge. Else if you bless in the Spirit, how will he which occupying the place of the uninitiate say the Amen at your giving thanks, since what you say he knows not?[unknown tongue]
---Eloy on 7/23/07|
14 if I pray in another language, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with [a known tongue] also. I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with [a known tongue] also.
16 Otherwise if you bless with the spirit, how will he who fills the place of the unlearned say the "Amen" at your giving of thanks, seeing he doesn't know what you say?
The idea is to enable the unlearned to understand.
---a_servant on 7/21/07|
Very simple if we look at the scripture in context and in a more understandable translation:
"So anyone who speaks in tongues should pray also for the ability to interpret what has been said. For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I dont understand what I am saying. Well then, what shall I do? I will pray in the spirit, and I will also pray in words I understand. I will sing in the spirit, and I will also sing in words I understand."--1 Cor 14:13-15.
---OK on 7/21/07|
2 More. Verses 16-18:
"For if you praise God only in the spirit, how can those who dont understand you praise God along with you? How can they join you in giving thanks when they dont understand what you are saying? You will be giving thanks very well, but it wont strengthen the people who hear you. I thank God that I speak in tongues more than any of you. But in a church meeting I would rather speak five understandable words to help others than ten thousand words in an unknown language."
---OK on 7/21/07|
the speaking in a tongue, not the man speaks, but of God: for no one follows, but the Spirit speaks mysteries. If indeed speaking in a tongue let him pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, the Spirit in me prays, but the knowledge in me is unfruitful. What then to be? I will pray in the Spirit, and I will pray also in the knowledge. Else if you bless in the Spirit, how will he which occupying the place of the uninitiate say the Amen at your giving thanks, since what you say he knows not?
---Eloy on 7/21/07|