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Is Satan A Fallen Angel

Does the Bible specify that Satan was an angel, or is it myth?

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Hebrews 2:14-18 says Jesus came and defeated Satan by overcoming temptation. He did not come as an angel, but as a man so that he, being tempted, could nurture those who are tempted.

It seems angels cannot even be tempted.

If Satan is a fallen angel, you have one massive problem. God tempts noone (James 1:13). Everything God created was "very good." From whence came temptation? Who tempted Satan to sin?

All things that exist are either created or eternal.
Evil exists
Therefore evil is either created or eternal.

If it is created, it had to have been created by God who is the creator of all things. Can God who is completely light and in Him is no darkness at all create evil?
---Sir on 11/19/09

Rod, Kudos!
Your blog gave me hope that there are Christians who don't make the all-too-human error of blaming others for their personal responsibilities. Jesus had a chance to make a decision to "fall" off a high cliff by DECIDING to jump. If he had, I'm sure the false doctrine that would have followed would go something like this, THOSE DARN ANGELS DISOBEYED GOD AGAIN AND CAUSED JESUS TO FALL JUST LIKE ADAM.
There is an outstanding book out that fully addresses this issue for those who don't mind their traditions being challenged. It's called "Legends of the Fallen". Published by the excellent Christian publishing company, Xulon Press.
Love to hear your opinions about this reformitive book.
---Legends on 3/16/09

Satan means adversary. Jesus said to PETER "get thee behind me SATAN". Peter is MAN not a fallen angel. Lucifer is a MAN (isa 14:16) ADAM is the serpent because Rom 5:12 says "Wherefore as by one MAN, sin entered into the world and DEATH by sin". He that commits sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning" 1JN3:8. ADAM is the one who sinned from the beginning in the Garden. We must insist THY SEED in Gen3:15 is HUMAN SEED. No angel can produce seed with a woman, because Gen 4:1 "ADAM KNEW EVE his wife, and she conceived, and bare Cain". Angels neither marry nor are given in marriage.Luke20:35 The god of this world is the HUMAN HEART, which is "deceitful above ALL things" JER17:9
---rod on 3/13/09

lit.Hb: "In Eden the garden of God you have been, every precious stone your covering, the ruby, the topaz, and the diamond, the chrysolite, the onyx, and the jaspers, the sapphire, the turquoise, and the emerald, and gold: The workmanship of your finger cymbals and of your pipes in you, in the day you were created, they were prepared. How have you fallen from heaven, Heylel, son of the early dawn? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations." Ezekiel 28:13+ Isaiah 14:12.
---Eloy on 3/11/09

yes he WAS an angel of light, the morning star, then he rebelled against God & became a fallen angel named Satan, meaning deciever.
---candice on 3/9/09

As far as "anything or "anyone" that opposes God or is adverse with God being the definition of who and what "Satan" is, you are correct to say that "Satan" was in the Garden. Disobedient Adam(mankind) was perfect until iniquity was found in him. Adverse Adam was in the Garden. Adam received directives from the mount of God. Adam was "anointed" because he was commanded to "keep" (cover) the entire creation. When he failed God showed Adam a perfect example of obedience regarding how to "cover" by sending angels(specifically cherubs). To say that Satan was formerly an angel(messenger) is unknowingly a slap in the face of the message sender... God. No Satan in Ezekiel.
---Legends on 3/9/09

I read some of the replies. Satan was a cherub. He was beautiful, annointed. He was in the garden inticing them. Read ezekiel 28:12-19. This reference to the king of tyre is about satan
---Julie on 3/7/09

To say that there was another level of Creation that is not angel or not man is not found in the bible. It is adding to the word of GOD teachings that are not there.

Also to say that Angels have no free will is not found in the Bible. This is an old never ending argument. Some even teach men have no free will. The Devil and his angels are to be cast into the lake of fire.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
---Samuel on 3/5/09

Legend, okay. God bless you.
---JohnnyB on 3/5/09

Note that Jesus never said that the adversary was a former angel and a murderer from the beginning.
Any "adversary" of God is "adverse" of God. God is LIFE. The adverse of life is DEATH. God is a life-giver. The adverse of life-giving is life-taking aka MURDER. These facts have always been true from the beginning. There is an opposite of good that God created called evil(Isaiah 45:7) Evil came into the world in full manifestation ONLY after Adam disobeyed God (Romans 5:12-21). Adam acted adversely, death was the consequence for every human born in Adam. Angels are not murderers and liars. They NEVER choose adversely to God (Psalm 103:20). Humans murder and humans lie, making each of us the adversary of God.
---Legends on 3/5/09

John 8:44 quotes Jesus as saying that the Adversary was a murderer 'from the beginning.' So God made him that way for His own inscrutable purposes, it would seem... God bless you.
---JohnnyB on 3/4/09

ANGELS ARE ANGELS - they can never be sinners.

Angels are creatures that can only surely be pure. Their job is to obey and worship the Lord, they CAN NOT EVEN THINK of disobeying HIM, they are not made of the same constitution as humans.

Satan was one of those who was in heaven, but not an actual angel but another of God's creations who showed pride against God and His new creation 'mankind'.

His jealousy of God's new creations, was his reason for being expelled.

He tempted Adam and Eve and he tries to take mankind with him to hell - the trial of good and evil...satan wants us to suffer with him and prove God wrong. But God has sent us guidance (the psalms, the old and new testament) to guide us back to HIM.
---Loulou on 3/4/09

The Bible says that Satan was the ArchAngel Lucifer - the angel of "Praise and Worship" (music, dance, artistic expression). This is why these things are corrupted to worship Satan now (the world) instead of God. This is also why when we praise and worship God, we are doing "Spiritual Warfare" in the Heavens (1st, 2nd, 3rd Heaven).
---Leslie on 3/4/09

You stated, "He(Satan) was the most beautiful angel."
That's not in the Bible. That's legend. Ezekiel 28:2 clearly identifies the king of Tyrus as a MAN. Then this historic human was called the "anointed cherub". Read the context of the Bible to see the divine assignment given to this man in authority and you will know why a human that's not a cherub is referred to as a cherub. Also, this human had never been on Mt Horeb or in the Garden of Eden, but was referred to as having been on the Mount of God and in Eden. According to the Bible(Ez. 28:2) all this is about a human(double meaning: Mankind).
According to popular opinion: a double meaning about a former angel that God named Lucifer.
Which do I choose?
---Legends on 3/4/09

PT. 1
You asked, "Are you reading your Bible?"
In my blogging, I often write things that can only be understood if you go back to your Bible, forget about the commentaries you have heard before and study the text again for yourself. Traditional, religious thinking blinded people in the days of Jesus. Traditional religious thinking still blinds people today. I and you are included amongst the blind.
My blogs refer to humans taunting(mocking) a human, calling him lucifer. I blog about a human boasting about his TREE growing higher than anyone elses, even above the stars of heaven. (Isaiah 14) The BIBLE clearly identifies the one being mocked and taunted as a MAN not an angel. (Is. 14:16)
All this, in the Bible.
---Legends on 3/4/09

Are you not reading your bible. It clearly says that he was one of the most beautiful angels and was the leader of the worship. He got puffed up and thought he could do better than God, and because of his pride, was sent to Hell.
---Janine_Henschel on 3/2/09

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See my blog posted on 2/14/09 regarding the name "Lucifer" (aka heylel, bright one, brightness, morning star, etc. Whatever the case may be, the name is used as a "taunt" by people taunting a human person who thinks he is "brighter" (aka smarter) than everyone else. Today we use the terms "smart-alec" and "wise-guy" as taunts.
He also believes that his TREE (family tree?) will grow taller and higher than any others. Thus the reference about "fellers" (tree cutters). The king boasts that the his tree will grow higher than the natural clouds (in heaven), even above the natural stars (in heaven). "Heaven" (God's abode) isn't mentioned anywhere in the passage.
---Legends on 3/2/09

First we do not read the bible in Hebrew other wise we would see Heylel instead of Lucifer which is the latin form of the name.

Now this Lucifer fell from Heaven. Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

He also wanted to replace GOD. Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

What human can move into heaven?
---Samuel on 3/2/09


Lucifer is a latin name....whats it doing in a hebrew text? The hebrew says helel and is a earthly king, the text has nothing to do with an angel.
---wayne on 2/19/09

Gentile is latin also,and should be replaced with the originals, in every usage in the New Covenant. Confirming truth to seeking/searching/knocking/asking sheep.

Rome/Latin/cathol-ic....apparent as a neon bulb...with searching study and prayer.
---Trav on 3/2/09

Thanks Mac,
Like everyone else who wasnt nailed to a cross 2000 years ago, my thoughts and beliefs need to be thoroughly reviewed and openly challenged. When we think we know it all, thats when we know nothing at all. It amazes me how some leap to concluding that I say that there is no devil or Satan.
(1)There are devils (2)Anything or person that opposes Gods love or Gods will is Adversarial to God. For example, Jesus turn to rebuke Peter for his adversarial comment. Jesus gives us the best look at Satan when He looked Peter in his eyes and said to Peter, get thee behind me SATAN.
We add to scripture when we assume Jesus was indirectly referring to a former angel.
---Legends on 2/26/09

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Yes! Angels were created by God and were present to rejoice when He created the world. In their original state they were holy, but before the creation of the world some of them rebelled against God and lost this exalted position. The leading angel, in this revolt became the devil, also know as Satan. Another of the fallen Angels is named Abaddon or Apollyon "The Angel of the bottomless pit"....It is important to remember that angels were created by God before God created the world. Look in your Bible dictionaries for scriptures.
---catherine on 2/22/09

All of you people need to observe Legend's example and study your Bibles. This guy knows what he is talking about. One of the few people on these blogs that actually reads and understands what he is seeing. Keep up the good work Legend!
---mac on 2/21/09


The Satanists say he does not exist and they claim there is no authority - God or devil. However, they follow Satan. They lie about many things.

Lucifer is the word that the Satanists prefer, because it sounds more acceptable. They often call themselves Luciferians.
---frances008 on 2/20/09

Love the name
Don't mean to inject or reject. My apologies when and if I do. I contend that context is on my side in my interpretation of the early chapters of Job. Job came before/entered "the presence of God" as he offered sacrifices to the Lord. That's consistent with the rest of the Bible as to how people back then came before God's presence aka "presented themselves before the Lord". Hebrews asks the question "where at anytime has God said to an angel, thou art my son?" The answer is nowhere, not even in the book of Job.
Regarding Isaiah's "falling from heaven" context says that it's about a human falling from heaven (the natural skies) like a Tree. See Fellers.
---Legends on 2/20/09

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Dear Legend

YOu are placing statements in the bible and removing points to get your doctrine.

Satan in Job came before GOD in heaven. His name means Advasary. When did Job go to heaven?

Lucifer or heylel as it is in Hebrew. But like the rest of the bible it is translated into english or Latin etc. So what.

He still fell down from Heaven and did weaken the nations. That is not something a human can do.
---Samuel on 2/19/09


Lucifer is a latin name....whats it doing in a hebrew text? The hebrew says helel and is a earthly king, the text has nothing to do with an angel.
---wayne on 2/19/09

Yes scripture states that Satan was an angel.At that time he was called Lucifer.He put himself above God and a third of the angels believe it or not followed him.He and they were cast out of heaven down to earth.They'll all be cast into Hell when Jesus returns.
---shirley on 2/18/09

pt 3
Every O.T. verse we have assumed to link Satan to a being that was formerly an angel comes up way short in Biblical factual credibility. The Bible confirms itself. The Bible itself states that Isaiah and Ezekiel were both addressed to two different human men.
The context of Genesis 6 has the word "man" all over it (at least nine times).
Job "accused" his sons of "maybe sinning" while he was in God's presence during prayer. Job presented himself before God as an accuser, next verse satan shows up in front of God. Hmmm!
The first chapters of Job say nothing of angels whatsoever. Because we assume that any reference to Satan found in scripture is synonymous with a fallen angel doesn't make it so.
---Legends on 2/18/09

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pt 3
Every O.T. verse we have assumed to link Satan to a being that was formerly an angel comes up way short in Biblical factual credibility. The Bible confirms itself. The Bible itself states that Isaiah and Ezekiel were both addressed to two different human men.
The context of Genesis 6 has the word "man" all over it (at least nine times).
Job "accused" his sons of "maybe sinning" while he was in God's presence during prayer. Job presented himself before God as an accuser, next verse satan shows up in front of God. Hmmm!
The first chapters of Job say nothing of angels whatsoever. Because we assume that any reference to Satan found in scripture is synonymous with a fallen angel doesn't make it so.
---Legends on 2/18/09

Bob, pardon my lack of clarity. Not disagreeing with your blog. Clarifying mine. My point is simple. Any reference "mentioned" in the New Testament to an event that happened in the biblical past "must" be able to be found non-vaguely in the Old Testament. For instance, we know that the children of Israel that left Egypt all sinned and were all buried in the dark graves of the wilderness(save 2). We also know that Core/Korah and family were all taken down to a dark pit after he, a priest, "kept not" (did not guard) his "first estate" (his positioning in the presence of God). Korah was swallowed alive for despising dominion and speaking against dignities.
---Legends on 2/18/09

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan, even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: [is] not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Look at Satan in the book of Job. He was an angel a Cherub.

Eze 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth, and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God, thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
---Samuel on 2/18/09

When those under the law resisted and blasphemed Paul's teachings, he turned to the Gentiles. 2 Cor 3:7-11 Paul referred to old covenant law as the ministry of death and ministry of condemnation. Paul said in Romans that born again Christians are not under the law but grace. If we are saved by grace, it is no longer by works. You can't pour old wine into new wine skins. If You bring old covenant law into new covenant grace, along with it comes sin, death, and condemnation. Romans 8:1-2 There is therefore now no comdemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.
---Bob on 2/18/09

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Great observations and request Bob. If I may, I humbly but strongly contend this: No challenge yields no review! No review ends with No Change! There is seldomly any disagreement with the following sentence. "No matter how popular it may be, any doctrine that we think is established in the N.T. but we cannot find it's occurrance in the O.T. doesn't have a leg to stand on." ...cont.
---Legends on 2/18/09

pt. 2
The N.T. is wordless, empty pages without the contents of the Law and the Prophets. The following statements will yield a great deal of disagreement. I'm not offended by the challenge and review of my thoughts. The translated word "angels" in Jude and 2 Peter are totally out of context with the O.T. and the N.T. You cannot find one specific occasion where an angel ever looked at God and said, "Today I think I can take God down." Never happened. You cannot find it. You can find human "accusers" like Eliphaz that spake against God, Job and Angels in the Book of Job. (see Job 15:15) But look who's making the accusation against angels. And see what God said about his words at the end of the book. ...cont.
---Legends on 2/18/09

All Human Messengers have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God's presence. All angels stand in the presence of God. That's why Gabriel said to John the baptist's father, (I paraphrase) "Dude, I'm Gabriel... an angel. I stand in the presence of God. In fact "All" angels are ministering spirits sent from God to minister for the heirs of salvation.(see Hebrews 1:14) We angels do not lie. Zachariah, humans like you... do. Therefore you will not be able to tell your lies by opening up your mouth and mess up the plan of God until you baby is born. God's Angels don't fall, Humans do! God's Angels have never been His accusers or enemies, Humans are and were! Do we need more Biblical proof of this?
---Legends on 2/18/09

Scripture doesn't seem to be so clear about Satan's origin. People have tried to read Satan into Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, but that seems tenuous, a bit of a stretch. I am quite sure Satan is not some sort of a deity working independently of God. God is in complete control of Satan and is using him for his own purposes. God bless!
---JohnnyB on 2/17/09

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The Bible definitely tells us that one third of the angels rebelled and followed Satan. They were cast out of Heaven and are causing havoc upon this earth. Many of the fallen angels and their large mishappen offspring were killed in the Flood. Demons really exist. Perhaps that was the second attempt of Satan to control the earth. The first being the use of angels taking on human form. Now demons possess people. In fact 'UFOs' could be another demonic manifestation, along with ghosts etc. These things are real. I have witnessed UFOs, spiritual entities (approx three/four during the day) and a ghost (twice at night). We have been trained not to observe our surroundings.
---frances008 on 2/17/09

The enemy tries to get believers and non-believers into the areas of scripture which requires a lot of speculation due to lack of scriptural material. He tries to create a lot of doubt and confusion which requires a lot of imagination and sharing of many logic opinions. He tries to discredit God's Word any way he can to put off his inevitable downfall. Salvation is the main issue! But I would like some opinions on this scripture. Jude verse 6. And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgement of the great day.
---Bob on 2/17/09

You will never hear an objection from me over the fact that there is a "Satan". Satan looks at us through our mirrors in the morning until we each take up our daily cross (see your mirror). I challenge each one I have an opportunity to, to search the scriptures in order to review those things we may think is sound doctrine. After further review many of those beliefs are merely fables and legends. Satan...real. A human called Lucifer...real. But doctrine that states one of God's angels, formerly named Lucifer now named Satan, rebelled and led 1/3 of Heaven's angel population to be kicked out of Heaven is simply not supported by the proper 2 or 3 witnesses of scriptures. (see the Xulon book "Legends of the Fallen")
---Legends on 2/16/09

As long as most people believes there is no devil, he is so happy. I can not tell you how happy you people are making Satan. No one is 100% in the mind. Yet we are quick to point fingers at others whenever they do something drastically wrong. We all have weaknesses in which Satan can play on. None of us realizes what we are capable of. And won't know until you are saved.
---catherine on 2/14/09

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The name "Lucifer" according to Isaiah is a "taunt" or a "mocking" used to taunt the future "human" king of Babylon because he high-mindedly thinks that his "tree" would ascend higher than the "clouds"... even above the "stars" of God. Had the taunt been aimed at the "lower" level of prideful boasting, then we today would be debating whether the Bible specifies if the angel "Nimbus" or maybe even the former chief archangel named "Stratus" was a fallen angel??? It's a badmisread. XulonPress release, "Legends of the Fallen" Every question about fallen angels addressed... guaranteed. No challenge... No Review. No Review... No Change!
---Legends on 2/14/09

Isaiah 14:12 is clearly talking about a man

Isaiah 14:12 is clearly describing a spirit being ...a created spirit being

NO MAN (flesh and blood) has ever ascended atop the clouds ...spirit beings do

a morning star is in reference to spirit beings Job 38:7

Lucifers name was changed to destroyer/adversary - Satan

Eze 28:12,15, Isa 14, Jude 6
---Rhonda on 6/13/08

yes, his name is Heylel, he was thrown out of heaven and is fallen like lightning to the earth.
---Eloy on 6/13/08

1. Then there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels. And the dragon lost the battle, and he and his angels were forced out of heaven. This great dragonthe ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole worldwas thrown down to the earth with all his angels. Revelation 12:7-9
2. Yes, (Jesus) told them, I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning! Luke 10:18 NLT
---robin8683 on 6/13/08

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The Protestant Bible and the Hebrew Bible mention zilch about Satan being anything other than an angel of G-d. They do not mention a fall literally describing Satan. I believe there is something in Enoch in the Catholic bible, but this is rejected by Jews as more of a Christian influenced book or a book that takes Jewish legends and makes them scripture. cont...
---Tony_P. on 10/4/07

cont.. In my studies I found that, other than a Catholic bible, or Septuagint that has apochrypha, you will find no literal reference to Satan falling from heaven. Isaiah 14:12 is clearly talking about a man.. Especially if all you have is a protestant, or Hebrew bible. The Satan falling from heaven story is told in Rabbi Joseph Ginsberg's compilation, "Legends of the Jews"..Vol I chapt 2. Ginsberg in his preface states. cont
---Tony_P. on 10/4/07

"Besides the pseudepigrapha there are other Jewish sources in Christian garb. In the rich literature of the Church Fathers many a Jewish legend lies embalmed which one would seek in vain in Jewish books. It was therefore my special concern to use the writings of the Fathers to the utmost." also he states about the fairy tales.cont...
---Tony_P. on 10/4/07

"If the Synagogue cast out the pseudepigrapha, and the Church adopted them with a great show of favor, these respective attitudes were not determined arbitrarily or by chance. The pseudepigrapha originated in circles that harbored the germs from which Christianity developed later on. The Church could thus appropriate them as her own with just reason.", This led me to believe that the Jews treat the fall of Satan, not Satan's existence or status as an angel, as a fairy tale. cont..
---Tony_P. on 10/5/07

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cont..Jews also are of the feeling that Christians picked and chose what they wanted to interpret from the fairy tales as true scripture. A legend of the jews that I found interesting but is rejected by Christians because it denies the concept of "Original Sin" is about Adam being concerned for good people dying because of his sin. cont...
---Tony_P. on 10/5/07

"Though death was brought into the world through Adam, yet he cannot be held responsible for the death of men. Once on a time he said to God: "I am not concerned about the death of the wicked, but I should not like the pious to reproach me and lay the blame for their death upon me. I pray Thee, make no mention of my guilt." And God promised to fulfil his wish." cont..
---Tony_P. on 10/5/07

cont.."Therefore, when a man is about to die, God appears to him, and bids him set down in writing all he has done during his life, for, He tells him, "Thou art dying by reason of thy evil deeds." The record finished, God orders him to seal it with his seal. This is the writing God will bring out on the judgment day, and to each will be made known his deeds.[141] As soon as life is extinct in a man, he is presented to Adam, whom be accuses of having caused his death." cont
---Tony_P. on 10/5/07

cont.. "But Adam repudiates the charge: "I committed but one trespass. Is there any among you, and be he the most pious, who has not been guilty of more than one?"[142]" another was about Adam seeing into the future that David would die in childbirth and giving David 70 of his own years, thus limiting Adams life to 930 years.cont..
---Tony_P. on 10/5/07

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cont. I guess my problem is that Christians may have adopted some things the Jews consider as fairy tales, into their own belief system. If you accept the tale of the fall of Satan but reject some of the more crazy stuff like the story of Lilith or a human becoming an angel, what does it say of your faith or moreover, what it is based on? Fairy tales, or scripture? Since the majority of these legends are 1st century to middle ages, that explains why they are not in the Jewish scripture cont..
---Tony_P. on 10/5/07

cont.. and also explains why Satan as a rebeller against G-d is truly only literally mentioned in Christian influenced texts such as the New Testament and Enoch. Just what I have discovered in the past year or so has clarified quite a bit how our view of Satan has been shaped by what the Jews term as homiletic stories to explain scripture. Not to be interpreted as scripture.
---Tony_P. on 10/5/07

Where does it say he was an angel? It say's the devil and his angels. The Yahweh and Yahshua both have angels, but it does not mean they were angels.
---jb on 10/4/07

5) Isaiah 45:18, which clarifies how God did not create the earth: For thus says the Lord that created the heavens, God Himself that formed the earth and made it, He has established it, He created it not in vain [tohu meaning chaotic or waste], He formed it to be INHABITED.

From this passage, it is clear that the earth became chaotic after God had created itbetween the events described in Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. continue...
---CiNdY92714 on 8/23/07

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6)Thus, verse 2 describes the RE-creation of da earth 6,000 years ago, and verse 1 describes da original creation of da entire universe that, according to scientists, occurred as many as 17 billion years ago.

Psalm 104:30 states that God renews da face of the earth. The seven days of the creation week are when God renewed what had become a damaged, injured, flooded earth.(Gen. 1:2).
---CiNdY92714 on 8/23/07

So we know what happened. But how did it happen? How did the surface of the planet go from being beautiful and perfect at creation to chaotic, confused, waste and empty? Since God is not the author of confusion (I Cor. 14:33), we know that He did not destroy the earth. Then who or what caused this?
---CiNdY92714 on 8/23/07

Gen1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. This scripture sets DA stage for our study.

The book of Job describes the time when God created the earth, billions of years ago. God asked Job a series of questions: Where were U when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who has laid the measures thereof, if you know? Or who has stretched the line upon it?When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (38:4-5, 7).
---CiNdY92714 on 8/23/07

These stars were angels (Rev. 12:4), also described as sons of God. Notice They all of them shouted and sang together.

Angels are composed of spirit. They are literal beings, but are not made of matter. They were given immortal life from the moment they were created. Though less powerful than God, these created spirits have far more power than physical human beings. They were the pinnacle of Gods creation throughout the period of billions of years of prehistory.
---cInDy92714 on 8/23/07

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We saw that Job 38 described how the earth was created in a wonderful, beautiful condition,All of creation was supremely happy. This means that there were not yet demons at the time of creation in Genesis 1:1, only faithful angels. Now read Genesis 1:2.

The KJV And the earth was without form, and void. Three key Hebrew words are all mistranslated here, thus obscuring, and actually hiding, the true meaning of the passage.
---CinDy92714 on 8/23/07


The word translated was is hayah. In Genesis 2:7, this word is correctly translated became, and in Genesis 9:15, become.

The words for without form, and void are tohu and bohu. Correctly translated, they mean chaotic, in confusion, waste and empty. In short, a perfectly created earth (vs. 1), became chaotic and confused (vs. 2). Tohu and bohu are translated identically in Jeremiah 4:23. Isaiah 34:11, among other places, translates this phrase as confusion and emptiness.
---CiNdY92714 on 8/23/07

yoshin: "If Satan is that evil and heaven is that perfect, how can Satan be in heaven? Or did Job live before Adam and Eve?

He is the lord of the earth. I suggest re-reading the OT. Better still, write it out, it will slow down your thinking.
---Steveng on 8/22/07

If Satan is that evil and heaven is that perfect, how can Satan be in heaven? Or did Job live before Adam and Eve?
---yoshin on 8/21/07

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yoshin: Satan fell way before Adam and Eve. God told Abraham that from his seed will come a savior. Satan tried to break that generation chain so Jesus would not be born. Obviously, Satan failed. Today, since he only has a short time left, he will take as many of God's creation with him to hell. Those who are truly faithfull will rise at the soon-to-come first resurrection, the rest of the dead will be judge by God from the Book of Life at the second resurrection at the end of the thousand years.
---Steveng on 8/18/07

The traditional idea is that Satan was an Angel, who was very proud. He was one of the Highest Angels who was called Lucifer. He was so high and marvelous that he felt that he should be praised. Only God is to be Praised! However he was able to cause 1/3 of the Angels to bow to him and follow him.
---Marcia on 8/18/07

In Job he starts out in heaven with the other angels as Gods helper. As he moves toward the New Testament he becomes more evil and then by Revelations he is super evil. Jesus said he saw him fall from heaven. It sounds like he evolved like a story that becomes exaggerated by retelling to the next generation. Now churches use him as an excuse for anything that does not agree with their thoughts.
---yoshin on 8/18/07

JB, That "beginning" when Satan was a murderer is in reference to the "beginning" of his very first time of sin. In the very beginning of Lucifer's (Satan's) existence, he was a GOOD angel. GOD (ELOHIM) created everything and everyone. And in the beginning it was all GOOD. But, GOD created all with free-will, to choose to follow GOD or not. Lucifer, full of pride, chose to rebel against GOD and began what is known as sin. He then became known as Satan.
---Gordon on 8/10/07

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candace on 8/6 said that lucifer is the morning star. she uses a perversion of the bibe such as the niv. rev 2:28 and rev 22:16 both state that JESUS is the morning star. dangerous to read the perverted bibles. lucifer was son of the morning
---r.w. on 8/7/07

If Satan was a murderer from the begining, why would God use him to guard his throne? This prophecy in Isaiah 14 pointed to the future time when Belshazzar became the last king of Babylon. Belshazzar was a successor of Nimrod who was considered to be a "shining one". Compare that with Isaiah 14:12, quoted above. It seems that also Belshazzar, in his evil pride and defiance of the true God, used some symbols of his predecessor Nimrod.
---jb on 8/7/07

jb, apparently Ez 28 is a two fold message because, although addressed to the King of Tyre, the verses I quoted indicate that God is addressing the former covering cherub (angel) who had been in the mountain of God.
It isn't unusual for the Bible to have two fold messages. For example, Jesus gave a prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem that also has end time applications.
---robin8683 on 8/7/07

Satan IS a fallen angel. The Old Testament describes "Lucifer", Satan's former name, as the cherub that guarded the Throne of GOD (YAHUVEH). He was one of three high ranking angels. Lucifer was a very beautiful and gifted angel. But, with all of that beauty he became full of himself and planned to kick GOD off of His Throne to take His Place. But, since that's IMPOSSIBLE...! GOD kicked him out of Heaven instead! Lucifer became completely sold out to evil and his hatred of GOD and His creation.
---Gordon on 8/7/07

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Yes, Satan was an angel, but no longer, for now he is the devil, "on death row" so to speak, awaiting his eternal torment in the lake of fire. Please Read- Matthew 16:23.
---Eloy on 8/6/07

Isa 14:12, is calling Lucifer the morning star. Which in this verse it is applying that Lucifer is the King of Babylon.
---Rebecca_D on 8/6/07

Robin8683, how can the verse be talking about Satan if it says he was a man of flesh? How can the King of Tyre be Satan?
---jb on 8/6/07

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