Cross With Jesus On It
"... Would we display an electric chair or wear one on a chain? ..."
---robin8683 on 9/14/07
Robin, if Jesus had been electrocuted in an electric chair, then I would proudly wear it. Jesus was condemned to death for what He really stood for.
We do not wear the cross or crucifix to commemorate the many murderers and rebels (guilty or innocent) that died upon them, but only for Christ who died for us.
---lorra8574 on 9/16/07|
Depends on your view. I view the Cross as a sign of Love. Jesus loved me so much He was willing to lay down His life for me. I wear the cross around my neck as a symbol of Love. The greatest Love I will ever know or experience. I want the world to know who I serve! I am not ashamed and want to always remember that old rugged Cross. Thank you Jesus for your precious blood.
---Robyn on 9/16/07|
The cross was the vilest means of execution in those days. Why do churches display this? why do people wear it on a chain? Would we display an electric chair or wear one on a chain?
Furthermore, God doesn't want us to make images of things in heaven or on earth as tokens of worship (2nd commandment).
Just my thoughts...
---robin8683 on 9/14/07|
I know what it is supposed to represent, but my only problem with that is my Jesus is no longer on the cross. Romans 6:10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all, but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Hebrews 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
---denna7667 on 9/10/07|
In our church we have all 3.
The death on the cross.
The cross without Jesus on it.
And the risen Jesus, exemplified through the Divine Mercy.
All 3 are what Jesus accomplished for us. We should not be afraid to display that in thought or image.
It displays Christ has died, Christ is risen and Christ will come again in glory.
Displaying Jesus on the cross does not in anyway mean he is dead. It means we remember and are thankful for His Passion.
---Lisa on 9/3/07|
jody martin, I agree also that the cross should not be displayed with Jesus on it. HE IS RISEN, Amen and it is finished. The debt that was demanded has been PAID IN FULL! May we soon see our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in all His Glory and Splendor! Come Jesus Come...Amen!
---Cynthia on 9/2/07|
Yes Helen...I suspect you are correct. So sad! :-(
---Holly4jc on 9/2/07|
Lori> no it is not idol worship...at least not for me and many members of my church.
The crucifix helps us to remember what Jesus did for us, the most important thing ever.
When I fall down on my knees and pray next to a cross or crucifix, I am not praying to the wood or the image, I am praying to God in heaven. The cross is not God. Everyone knows that! It helps to contemplate the passion of Christ in this manner. pictures / images help us to remember.
---Lisa on 9/2/07|
Holly4jc - I find it interesting that Donald has not answered my questions that I put to him. I guess he is obeying the heirarchy of the RCC. Their people are not allowed to question them, they must just blindly believe what they say. Mind control is what it is, which is witchcraft.
---Helen_5378 on 9/2/07|
Cynthia, I think that if we are going to display a cross, the symbolism should be that Christ is ALIVE AND AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD. For that reason, crosses should not have his body present on them. I like to think of him as resurected instead of still suffering. He is not suffering but instead,full of power and waiting to come for his elect.
---jody_martin on 9/2/07|
"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all up to me. For the word of the cross to those perishing is foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is power of God." John 12:32+ I Cor.1:18
---Eloy on 9/2/07|
1) Donald - ("the lord died to save all of our lives and sins exspecially our bad sins") --First of all, I make no apology for not calling you "father" because Jesus tells me to not do this (Matthew 23:9) and I obey Jesus. By saying "bad sins" do you mean there are "good sins" too? What is bad sin to you?
---Helen_5378 on 8/26/07
You know Helen...I too was wondering the very same thing when I read Donald's blog.
---Holly4jc on 9/1/07|
2) What is a "bad sin" as opposed to another type of sin? Are we allowed to keep our not so bad sins? Sin is sin...period!
And AMEN to regarding the calling someone "father" thing!
---Holly4jc on 9/1/07|
regardless what people say, a crucifix is still idol worship. the same way a large statue of the Savior nailed to the cross is worshipped by millions around the world. it is a reminder of his death, NOT his resurrection. It is worshipping an object, not the real resurrected Savior of mankind. that is where many fail in their faith. they believe Jesus died and ceases to be. the heavens are not closed and we receive HIS guidance today, just like ancient times.
---Lori on 9/1/07|
The perfect symbol of what Jesus did for us.
The most important thing someone can do....is
Lay down His life for a friend.
And that does not take away the fact that Jesus has resurrected from the dead, broke the chains of death etc...Ever Hear of the Divine Mercy? Look it up.
The Crucifix is a reminder of what He did for us!
If you can't handle that reminder, may God forgive you.
---Lisa on 9/1/07|
Alan, Cat got your tongue??
---1st_cliff on 8/31/07|
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No Cliff, I have absolutely no problem with you using the NIV. I use it myself regularly. I'm glad that you are not a J.W. but some of the things I've read on your posts are very similar to what J.W.s would say - hence the question. Thanks for your response.
---RitaH on 8/31/07|
It is not the cross that we worship, but WHO hung on that cross and willingly laid down His life to save us wretched sinners from going to hell. AMEN and Praise our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST!
---Cynthia on 8/30/07|
Rita, Yes it does say that! (NIV you got a problem with that?)No I'm not JW. Alan, Where's the "nonesence"? Did Jesus die or just His body? When you die is it just your body? where's this theology comming from?
---1st_cliff on 8/30/07|
Millions of people in the world worship the cross and death of the Savior. They put crosses on things, they wear crosses around their necks as jewelry. Some churches pray directly to statues. All idol worship. Jesus Christ was resurrected and broke the bonds of spiritual death, enabling everyone that is worthy of his name to return to his kingdom. many worship his death through crosses. those without crosses on everything glorify his resurrection and eternal life.
---Lori on 8/30/07|
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Cliff ... You usually talk some sense, even if wrong. But you now spout nonsense.
We all know that Jesus being immortal does NOT refer to His earthly body, which was conceived born and died some 2000 years ago.
Unless of course, your theology regards him as just a human mortal.
---alan_of_UK on 8/30/07|
cliff if you shoot your mouth off and someone puts a sock in it - that is just not persecution. Sorry
no doubt I could be kinder too but it is difficult with a 85 word limit and just as many cultists.
Be blessed find the love of God.
---Andrea on 8/29/07|
No Cliff, it does not say that. Which bible are you reading from? Mine says "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself". 'It' being His life. Are you a Jehovah's Witness Cliff?
---RitaH on 8/29/07|
Lorra' God is indeed immortal.but not His Son else He could not have died! Rita, Jn.10.18 simply states that God allowed His Son to die "This I recieved from my Father" Andrea, Don't you know that those closest to the truth will be persecuted?
---1st_cliff on 8/28/07|
1st Cliff, could I suggest that you read John 10:18. I think that this will make things clearer for you.
---RitaH on 8/28/07|
... lots of abusive talk but no answers to my question! It's not just you, (and I hold no malice) it's a pattern that when one
cannot answer a question they will attack your person!
---1st_cliff on 8/21/07 (I post this bc you seem to have a pattern)
cliff - you seem to enjoy provoking people to attack you personally - is that your intent?
Do you know Christ as Lord and Savior? Or are you just reading about Him and the church - the two are very dirfferent experiences.
---Andrea on 8/28/07|
1st Cliff, do not be so quick to dismiss an idea - God is immortal, no one could possibly "kill" Jesus, unless He allowed it. Check out the following passages:
1 John 3:16
This is not about suicide, but allowing something to occur for the greater good.
---lorra8574 on 8/28/07|
1st Cliff, was Jesus able to hide Himself and run from His fate? That was always a choice, but Jesus was obedient and obeyed God and willing gave His life.
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
---Matthew_from_LA on 8/27/07|
and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
1 John 3:16
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.
Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
---Matthew_from_LA on 8/27/07|
3) No greater love than giving your life up for a friend. You can call that suicide if you want. Jesus gave up his life willingly is Biblical. He knew he was going to die long before he was taken by the soldiers. He knew the soldiers were coming for Him, and it is why he prayed to God to help Him to do God's will. He could of ran away, but he chose to obey God. He willingly chose to obey God. Jesus wasn't surprised when the soldiers came for Him, he knew exactly what was going to happen.
---Matthew_from_LA on 8/27/07|
Jhn 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.
---Andrea on 8/27/07|
Rita ,You say no one "took" His life but He "gave" it???Now you're talking suicide which is ridiculous! Alan, It makes a difference if you use a phallus symbol to remember Christ! The fact that the custom was to also bury the "starous" as well as the executed person as it was part of the shame!
---1st_cliff on 8/27/07|
I think churches should display a cross in the church or somewhere visible for all to see. The cross represents Love to me. Jesus died because He loved us. He willing laid down His life for us. His life was not taken from him.Perhaps if the cross was displayed ,people would be more reverent in church, praise and worship more. Show more love to each other.
---Robyn on 8/27/07|
No Cliff, the 'instrument' was not used to murder Jesus. He said that no one was going to take His life from Him. HE WAS GOING TO GIVE IT. That was not murder.
---RitaH on 8/27/07|
Cliff .. You have made this point about the phallus symbol before but it is totally irrelevant.
If Jesus was hung on an upright stake, as you state, would the fact that the stake is a phallus symbol make any difference at all to the sacrifice and its promise for us?
The cross may be an error, but the question asked is should churches display a copy of the thing on which He died (whether cross or stake?)
---alan_of_UK on 8/26/07|
fr Donald - welcome - I hope you are a real priest - we're having quite a time around here arguing heresies (mostly RCC's) but I for one would appreciate some input. Especially if you can direct this non-denominational believer to good internet resources and of course scripture comes in handy.
Fair warning we're not easy on the RCC.
---Andrea on 8/26/07|
I worship the risen christ. not the dead or dieing christ. The cross reminds us of his suffering,not the manner of his death
---Lynn on 8/26/07|
Rita H, Wasn't this "instrument" used to murder Jesus? Do you not Know the "cross" is actually the phallus symbol . There's no word in Greek for "cross" the word here is stauros meaning an upright stake , some translations simply say "tree" Look at any pictures of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics and you will see the priest carrying one of theses in his hand!
---1st_cliff on 8/26/07|
Donald - ("the lord died to save all of our lives and sins exspecially our bad sins") -- First of all, I make no apology for not calling you "father" because Jesus tells me to not do this (Matthew 23:9) and I obey Jesus. By saying "bad sins" do you mean there are "good sins" too? What is bad sin to you?
---Helen_5378 on 8/26/07|
lst Cliff. I've heard your argument so many times before. Some say 'if it's o.k. to wear a cross why not a miniature electric chair or a hangman's rope' etc. This is not about gloryfying how criminals die or how people are murdered it is about what God sacrificed for us. No-one has to wear or even look at any reminder of that if they don't wish but I don't believe that it is wrong to do so if people so choose.
---RitaH on 8/26/07|
the lord died to save all of our lives and sins exspecially our bad sins because he wanted us to be by his side and worship what he had did for all us to live in peace and harmony with each other and not be enemies with each other that will distroy our lives instead of blessing each other that we have the lord to talk about our everyday problems to. bless all. fr donald thomas australia.
---fr_donald on 8/25/07|
Cynthia, Apart from the fact that the "cross" is is descended from the phallus symbol (Jesus died on a "staros" post or upright stake) if your best friend was stabbed to death would you need to wear a replica of a knife around your neck or hang on the wall to remind you?? As for the cross with Jesus hanging on it..like satan is the big game hunter and Jesus is his trophy! NO NO NO!
---1st_cliff on 8/25/07|
I think that it is a great thing. People need to understand that following Jesus or as some puts it a follower of Jesus is not nor never has been a true sign of Salvation. You must be born-again.
---catherine on 8/25/07|
Jesus' love gives us His own immunity almighty >
"And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3 :13)
"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love."
(1 John 4:18)
So, we ARE "saved by His life" (Romans 5:10), including how His LOVE life makes us safe emotionally.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/25/07|
But in order to love like Jesus did on the cross, we need His resurrection's power almighty. Real loving comes "through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" (in 1 Peter 1:3) >
Notice how Jesus in His resurrection still had His wounds but those wounds had no effect. In His loving we have His sweetly soothing immunity almighty.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/25/07|
Very soon after I was saved someone criticized the church I then attended because of the crucifix. His comment was "They should display an empty cross because Jesus is no longer on it." Very soon after that I ceased being an Anglican and subsequent churches have had empty crosses. I'm not sure of the rights and wrongs though. Both are reminders of what Christ did FOR US but perhaps the one reminds us a little TOO MUCH of how much He must have suffered and perhaps that makes us uncomfortable.
---RitaH on 8/25/07|
Both are symbolic of the same thing. I personally believe a Cross with Jesus still hanging is a more powerful image.
---Eddie on 8/24/07|
#2 The reason why Protestants have the Cross (not Crucifix) is probably because they don't want to look like the Roman Catholics. There is no sin in displaying a Crucifix or cross. Personally, I prefer wearing a Cross to show others that I am a Christian.
Displaying the Crucifix is no sin, but it can lead to misunderstanding among Protestants (especially Evangelicals).
---Ramon on 8/24/07|
The Crucifix doesn't symbolize that Jesus is dead and not alive, rather it reminds us of the suffering our Lord when through on the Cross. Looking at a Crucifix is sad, but that is what happened to our Lord so that we may be partakers of the heavenly glory.
Most say the Crucifix teaches Jesus is still dead. This is not true. Even Roman Catholics believe in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and His accession to Heaven. No Problems here......
---Ramon on 8/24/07|
I know that Jesus died on the cross. But it is just a symbol. It doesn't bother me if I don't see a cross or a cross with Jesus on it in or around a church. Wasn't this questioned asked already? Or something similar?
---Rebecca_D on 8/24/07|