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Does the Book of Mormon say that American Indians are from Israel? What is the evidence?

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I have invited Jehovah witnesses and Mormons into my home, as they are people and sinners just like me and also under God's Grace is it not my duty as a fellow Christian to share the Good news in the hope that Christ will complete his good works in them? A parrallel that can be drawn from both religions is Doctrine first and Scripture second, instead of the other way around hence the misguided non-contextual representations.
Mt 10:16
1Cor 16:13,14
---ralph on 11/19/09

Anyone inviting Mormon are Jehovah witness missionaries into their home are guilty of the following

Having an understanding heart
Mar 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Eph 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

1Jn 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
---Frank on 8/24/08

Yikes Mima! Years and years ago, my ex and I tried to share Christ with some witnesses or mormons, I offered to fix them breakfast too, thinking I was showing Christ-like love. Where do we draw the line?
---Mary on 8/24/08

I appreciate the fact that you all think we Mormons are misguided but I assure you that we are not.
---Tammy2 8/19/08

I also hope you will look up the scriptures and see the truth.

Mormans are misguided because they believe in another Jesus - one not taught in the scriptures, and it is absolutely necessary to believe and follow and obey the correct Jesus taught in the scriptures. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh to the Father but by him. If you try to access the Father by a false Christ, you have been misguided and have found a false Father. The true Father is the one true God of the entire Universe and His Son Jesus Christ sits at His right hand. They are not one of many Gods as Mormanism teach!
---Gina7 on 8/23/08

Anyone inviting Mormon are Jehovah witness missionaries into their home are guilty of the following,
" Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

For he that biddeth him God speed is PARTAKER of his evil deeds.
This statements can be found in first John 9:10:11.
---mima on 8/22/08

Yes the Book of Mormon says Indians are from Israel. The evidence of DNA says they are from Asia. A Mormon Scientist published his research on this and was excommunicated for stating this fact. He lives in Australia. He has published a book on what happened to him.
---Samuel on 8/21/08

Apostle Paul in Galatians 1 :
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Jesus Christ."
---emtp on 8/21/08

If you trust the lord, want to help him. First cast out the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Who can do this? As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.
So, what have we learned? We are sinners, we need the lord to save us!

For the more, we try to cast out the beam. The bigger it becomes.
So can we help our brothers? No!
What can we do! Tell them what weve learned.

Trust God, only the Holy Spirit can guide you to Christ! Not Man!
With this understanding, read any book you want.

I believe, your brother in the lord.
God Bless!
---Frank on 8/20/08

Hi Tammy, I believe you wanted to witness to some here about your faith, but it seems that many here know a lot about your faith already. As I also have the book of Mormon. I believe that many people now do a lot of work in searching for the Truth and already are approve very well.
I hope that some of what was said you will investigate for yourself. When I talk to J.Witnesses, I also open Scripture to them, and leave them with questions so that maybe one day, Lord willing, they will look things up for themselves. I was witnessed by a neighbor in 1990 and I begin to investigate for myself the questions he left me with, and God opened my eyes to the Truth. God knew it was my time.
---Mark_V. on 8/20/08

I came here to attempt to clear up misconceptions regarding the Book of Mormon. It appears there is no need because most on this blog have all the answers! Wow! Now THAT'S incredible!
Good luck to all - I think I'll sit out for awhile.
---Tammy2 on 8/20/08

I have read the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and the Book A Marvelous Work and Wonder. All these by the LDS for their Bibles and knowledge. I have also read the Bible.

The Book of Mormon contridicts the Bible some but History it contridicts a lot. Doctrines and Covenants contridicts the Bible a lot. It teaches that many mormon men will become gods. But there is only one GOD.

Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God, I know not [any].
Isa 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
---Samuel on 8/20/08

I'm not offended. More amused than anything.

If the bibles viewpoint of sin and death does not contradict the BoM's viewpoint then they must both, somehow, be saying the same thing. Harmonious.

Explain how that's the case and that they are not 2 opposite viewpoints.

Just saying"I don't think they are contradictory" is not a very compelling argument.
---scott on 8/20/08

We believe many things by logic. I asked the only teacher for truth. fed up with mens doctrines,lies.
Be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ, and all ye are brethren. Matt 23: 9 call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.2 Peter 2:1-3
1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world
---Trav on 8/20/08

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme

And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Love and forgive your brother.
Adam and Eve did die.
---Frank on 8/20/08

When I began to read the Book of Mormon I did so with pure intent. I wasn't looking for things to declare it false, I read it to determine it's message. I know that there are some things that have not yet been proven but that certainly doesn't mean they won't be in the future. I know without any doubt that it is what it claims to be and there isn't anything that will cause me to believe differently. I believe the Bible to be the Word of God and I believe the Book of Mormon is as well. I appreciate the fact that you all think we Mormons are misguided but I assure you that we are not. We are happy in the knowledge that we have been given and in our faith.
---Tammy2 on 8/19/08

I have not read the book of Mormon.It can not be right because the Mormons make it equal to the Bible and nothing is equal with the Bible.Also Joseph Smith recieved it from an angel (he thought) I'm sure it was a fallen angel as the book of Mormon doesn't line up with the Christian Bible.
---shirley on 8/19/08

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You asked about Gen 3:5 when Satan told Eve that she would become like God, knowing good and evil. In Gen 3:22 God says, "man has become one of us, to know good and evil..." I said that it looks as if Satan tempted Eve with the truth. You didn't say anything about Gen 3:4 - the one which Satan tells her she won't die. Of course this was a lie - I'm not saying it isn't!

I haven't refused to answer any of your questions. I DON'T believe that those scripture are contradictory to the Bible. Our joy is the knowledge that we will conquer death through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I apologize that my simplistic view offends you.
---Tammy2 on 8/19/08

Mormons also believe they have to shed their own blood for the forgivness of sin.

The state of UTAH is death by firing squad for this very reason.

No Shots, no electric chair, no hanging....but whatever sheds blood.

---kathr4453 on 8/19/08

You've avoided the question twice now. And your refusal to acknowledge the obvious contradiction is silly.

I didn't say the actual words "good and bad" were used. It was an effort to simplify it for you because you seem unable to make an honest assessment of the differing viewpoints.

The Bible says that sin and death are a bad thing, an "enemy" (Romans 5:12, I Cor 15:26)

The BoM says the opposite. That sin and death are a good or positive thing.
"Had the former spirits Adam and Eve remained sinless, they would have been childless and joyless...Adam fell that men might...have joy." (2 Nephi 22-25)

Two opposite view points. Which is right the Bible or the BoM?
---scott on 8/19/08

Gen. 3:1
"And he (the serpent) said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden"?"

The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat, but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, OR YOU WILL DIE.'"

vs 5 "The serpent said to the woman, "YOU SURELY WILL NOT DIE."
"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and YOU WILL BE LIKE GOD, knowing good and evil."

Satan called God a liar. And he lies himself by contradicting the very word of God.

Actually a fitting analogy for the BoM.
---scott on 8/19/08

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I have read the Book of Mormon. It is false. It's kinda funny really. The plates that Smith was translating into his hat were Egyptian funeral rites. He didn't know this and obviously couldn't translate he was a liar. Anyone who would lie about this....well. The book is a fairy tale. It mentions animals that were not even here until century's later.
If you like being decieved...believe. We are as bad as Smith if after we know the truth....we promote a lie. Liar is bad the last time I checked.
---Trav on 8/19/08


1. There are many scriptures throughout the Bible which reference the existence of other gods: Exo 15:11, Deut 10:17, Josh 22:22, 2 Chron 2:5, Psalma 82:1, Psalms 86:8 (to name a few). Mormons worship only ONE God - the same that you do. Paul drives the point home in I Cor 8:5-6.

The LDS understanding of where we came from, why we're here and where we're going is obviously different from yours, but it is biblically supported.
---Tammy2 on 8/18/08

Scott -

I didn't see the words "bad" or "good" used in any of those scriptures you listed. My personal opinion is that death just is. I don't think it's either good or bad - it's just what has to occur. Again, that's my opinion. As for the occurance in the Garden of Eden - I don't agree that Satan lied to Eve in Gen 3:5...continue to Gen 3:22 - it appears he tempted Eve with the truth in this case.
---Tammy2 on 8/18/08


Please show me any evidences in the Americas of "domesticated elephants (NOT mastodons) OR cureloms OR cumoms"

all of which were useful unto man, and more especially the elephants and cureloms and cumoms

Smith "correctly translated that", right, so it HAS to be true.

Elephants are only on two continents, Asia ans Africa, but only the Asian elephant can be used by man as a draft animal.

To use an animal as a draft animal requires animal husbandry, but the earliest known Native American civilization in Clovis NM says they were hunter/gatherers.

The BoM is as solid as tissue paper. It is a shame you base your eternal live on something that flimsy.
---John_T on 8/18/08

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Re "I honestly don't see the issue here. We believe that death will be conquered by the gift of immortality given us by Jesus Christ...death will be conquered."

What either "Book" says will happen in the FUTURE is not the issue. The point is that there is an obvious contradiction about the origin and significance of sin and death:

The Bible says that sin and death are a "Bad" thing. (Romans 5:12, I Cor 15:26)

The BoM says that sin and death are a "Good" thing (2 Nephi 22-25)

Which is it?
---scott on 8/18/08

Not only do the comments below contradict the bible, they actually support the view put forth by Satan in the Garden of Eden.

Mormon Prophet
"As man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become." Lorenzo Snow, 5th Mormon President/Prophet

The Bible
"I am he. And there are no gods together with me." Deut 32:39
"One God and one mediator." 1 Cor 8:5,6.

See Satan's claim at Gen 3:5.
---scott on 8/17/08


While I'm not aware of anything being speficially proven wrong in the Book of Mormon, as far as I am aware, there has been no archaeological corroboration of any of it either (compared with the Bible, for which an abundance of archeological evidence exists).

Also, recent DNA evidence indicates that native Americans are genetically decended from peoples in Asia, not the middle east.

Finally, Joseph Smith translated an Egyptian papyrus and claimed it was the Book of Abraham. However, a century later (when Egyptian heiroglpyhs were translatable), it turned out to be about pagan Egyptian gods, and not Abraham at all.
---StrongAxe on 8/17/08

StrongAxe - thank you for your thoughtful response. I don't believe that anything has been "proven" wrong in the Book of Mormon. I know that there are many who claim to prove it wrong but unlike most on these blogs, I have read the responses to those claims and they are certainly reasonable. Many choose not to examine the other side - either out of fear or hostility. I have no problem with allowing others to believe as they wish - my problem is with the distortions and lies made regarding my own. I'm tired of reading how "nice" Mormons are but "they are so misguided." We are not idiots or wayward children. We study the scriptures and yes, we pray for answers.
---Tammy2 on 8/15/08

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The BoM speaks clearly and absurdly for itself.

NOTHING in it has been verified by peer-reviewed sources.

It speaks of kingdoms in the Americas, when the oldest records of human habitation in the Americas in Clovis NM prove the first inhabitants were hunter/gathers.

It says Native Americans are Semitic but genetic analysis proved that they are Asiatic Mongoloid.

There is no definitive Mormon geography.

That is why the BoM ridicules itself better than any one can imagine.

Compared with Christianity, ALL areas of history, geography, kingdoms etc, are verified.

Yet you trust the fairy tale for your eternal life because you have a "burning bosom" right?

---John_T on 8/15/08


Your comments about nit-picking small details while ignoring the majority of good stuff is a valid one - but only for normal books. However, books that are divinely inspired or inerrant must be held to a higher standard.

If any book claims to be directly written or dictated by God, and perfect, and free of error, then if even a single error is found, then that books claim is invalidated (which totally destroys its credibility).

The same applies to any prophet who claims to speak the words of God. Preachers and teachers are allowed to make mistakes. Prophets aren't.
---StrongAxe on 8/15/08

Scott - you asked for an explanation - I pointed out the difference between "in" and "at". You don't have to agree. The Bible is a compilation of books by different authors - as is the Book of Mormon. There is no place in the Bible that declares itself "complete." Please don't bother quoting the scripture in Revelation -that admonition was for THAT book - the Bible hadn't been compiled at that point and many books were written after it. Many gospels were not included by the Nicean Council in the Bible. The message in the Book of Mormon is witnessing of Jesus Christ - no amount of nitpicking can change that message.
---Tammy2 on 8/14/08

Scott - to answer your question regarding 2 Nephi and Corinthians (my first post didn't make it)
Romans 5:12 - Wherefore as by one man sin entered the world, and death by sin, and so death passes upon all men, for that all have sinned.
I Cor 15:26 - The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
2 Nephi 22-25 - And now, behold, if Adam had not regressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the Garden of Eden....Adam fell that men might be,and men are, that they might have joy.

I honestly don't see the issue here. We believe that death will be conquered by the gift of immortality given us by Jesus Christ...death will be conquered.
---Tammy2 on 8/14/08

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For Candace and others who enjoy throwing the word "cult" around as a means to belittle those who don't believe as they do...

Webster's Dictionary definition of a cult -
"a system of religious worship, or rites and ceremonies."

It certainly sounds that by definition, Christianity is considered a "cult".
To say that we do not "line up with the Word of God" is absolutely incorrect. The FACT is that we take the Word of God more literally than any other religion out there...including the FACT that God will reveal his secrets through prophets. (Amos 3:7)
---Tammy2 on 8/14/08

Using your definition of the word "At":

When my wife calls asking where I am and I tell her I'm "At' work but I'm actually "In the vicinity" of work watching Batman at the theater next door should I feel guilty?
---scott on 8/14/08

Mormonism is a cult, it DOES NOT line up with the Word of God.
---candace on 8/14/08

Scott -

1. Alma 7:10 actually reads:
And behold, he shall be born AT Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.

AT = a vicinity. I'm certain that Joseph Smith read his Bible - he knew the Bible says Jesus was born in Bethlehem - I think he translated it as it was written.
---Tammy2 on 8/13/08

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2. Alma 42:9 reads:
Thereford, as the soul could never die, and the fall had brought upon mankind a spiritual death as well as a temporal, that is, they were cut off from the presence of the Lord, it was expedient that mankind should be reclaimed from this spiritual death.

My thought is that the scriptures you site are referring to the spiritual death of a soul.
---Tammy2 on 8/13/08

How do you explain the contradictions between the BOM and the Bible?

For example:

The Bible
Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Matthew 2:1-6

Book of Mormon
Jesus was to be born in Jerusalem. Alma 7:10


The Bible
The soul dies. Ezekiel 18:4, Acts 3:23

Book of Mormon
The soul could never die. Alma 42:9


The Bible
Death is an enemy. 1 Cor 15:26, Rom 5:12

Book of Mormon
"Had the former spirits Adam and Eve remained sinless, they would have been childless and joyless...Adam fell that men might...have joy."
2 Nephi 2:22, 23, 25
---scott on 8/12/08

John T - Christians believe that Moses parted the Red Sea, Noah built a big ship and saved humanity per the instruction of God, Jesus was born of a virgin, fed the masses with two loaves and two fish, raised the dead, rose from the dead himself...many seemingly unbelievable stories are told in the Bible! Mormons believe those stories as well. We also believe that a 14 year old boy saw two personages when asking in prayer which church to join and you think that's out of the realm of possibility? Interesting.
---Tammy on 8/8/08

John T - Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon, he didn't write it. The passages you point out to undermine the book are meaningless. I'm always intrigued by people who try to tear the book down by using passages like these and completely ignore the message of the book. I have read the Book of Mormon and it witnesses the miracles of Jesus Christ over and over again! You repeatedly try to disparage Joseph Smith as if he is the one Mormons worship. We recognize Joseph Smith as a prophet - just as we recognize Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc. as prophets. If you read the BOM just once without trying to find evil in it you just might recognize it for what it is - another witness of Jesus Christ.
---Tammy on 8/8/08

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Mosiah 9:9

And we began to till the ground, yea, even with all manner of seeds, with seeds of corn, and of wheat, and of barley, and with neas, and with sheum, and with seeds of all manner of fruits, and we did begin to multiply and prosper in the land.

1) What EXACTLY are neas and shums?
2 ) How can there be any mention of tillage crops (wheat and barley) when there is no recorded usage of the tilling methods ever used in North, Central or South America?

Esther 9:19
"And they also had horses, and asses, and there were elephants and cureloms and cumoms, all of which were useful unto man, and more especially the elephants and cureloms and cumoms."

Joseph wrote this so it has to be true, right?
---John_T on 8/1/08

Hi Bob, no I am not the Cynthia that has been here for two years. I am fairly new to this site, been here about three months.
---Cynthia on 6/23/08

(1) " 'The Book of Mormon' must be either true or false. If true, it is one of the most important messages ever sent from God... If False, it is one of the most cunning, wicked, bold, deep-laid impositions ever palmed upon the world, calculated to deceive and ruin millions..."
--Orson Pratt
---tracy3346 on 10/25/07

(2) There's overwhelming evidence that proves the Book of Mormon to be false.
Here's just a few things you can check out on the web regarding this...
"The Bible verses The Book of Mormon" (video)
"The Book of Mormon in Light of Science by Dr. Thomas Key"
"The Book of Mormon's Credibility by Hank Hanegraaff '
---tracy3346 on 10/25/07

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(1) **Jeremiah 1:5 is sited by Mormons as a proof text for our existence before being physically born into this world, as though the phrase "I knew thee" meant not the foreknowledge of God but that He knew Jeremiah in another world or existence. Using this logic, Matthew 7:23 would mean that those being condemned at judgment never really existed because God will say, "Depart from me, I never knew you."
---tracy3346 on 9/19/07

(2) Likewise Acts 15:18 would mean that the world and all of God's creation existed before He created it because "Known unto God are all His works from the beginning of the world."
---tracy3346 on 9/19/07

(3) Please see Genesis 2:7, John 3:31, 8:23, Romans 9:11 and 1Corinthians 15:46 for the truth on the subject. These verses show again the clear choice each Mormon must make...the word of God as recorded in the Bible or the confused, contradictory word of a false prophet.**

(from Bible Truths dot org)
---tracy3346 on 9/19/07

Yes Ashley, I know of the Great High Priest Melchizedek. He's mentioned several times in the old and new testaments. Jesus was the only one made Great High Priest after the order of Melchizedek FOREVER (Heb. 6:20, 7:11,15,17 & 21)
I stand by what I said. ("The Bible teaches Christ is the only Great High Priest and it can't be passed from one to another")
---tracy3346 on 9/20/07

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I am very happy Andrea has all of this under control, and understands all there is to know. I do not believe religion is to be "argued" on the internet or otherwise. So
enough comment from me.
---Sandra on 9/15/07

Tammy, Lori, MikeM - you all claim to know your bible - does any of this stuff sound biblical?
Why would you believe that there were other gods before God and that He will make more gods. You cannot see that it blasphemy!

It answers all your questions bc all cults make up the answers as they go along.
---Andrea on 9/13/07

...the soul, the mind of man, the immortal spirit. All men say God created it in the beginning. The very idea lessens man in my estimation, I do not believe the doctrine, I know better...I am going to tell of things more noble...

The mind of man is as immortal as God himself... God never did have power to create the spirit of man at all. Joseph Smith, , Vol. 5, p. 615, reprinted in History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 310-311
---Andrea on 9/12/07

In Mormon theology, the Mormon god lives on his own planet and has many wives. Since the Mormon god is an exalted man, he, along with his many wives, have physical bodies of flesh and bone. As a result of their physical nature, they can produce children and do so continually throughout all eternity. Although the Mormon god and his wives have physical bodies, the children they produce are spiritual in nature.
---Andrea on 9/12/07

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After men...have become gods, ...they have the power then of propagating their species in spirit, and that is the first of their operations with regard to organizing a world. Power is them given to them to organize the elements, and then commence the organization of tabernacles. he cannot do without Eve, commence the work of generation, ....their celestial bodies to enable them, according to the established laws, to produce mortal tabernacles for their spiritual children.
BrYoung, JDVol.6,
---Andrea on 9/12/07

susie. let me get this straight. you say angels are not men. ok you have just called Jesus Christ, the bible and the whole gospel a lie. Jesus Christ said himself. "lest ye beware, you may be entertaining an angel and not know it." I have personally been visited by an angel of God and he didn't have wings, was not dressed in white, but I knew He was real. You may deny the bible if you wish, but my testimony of Jesus Christ and the bible will prove you wrong every time.
---ashley on 9/12/07

suzie. gee this is becoming an epidemic in todays world. denying the bible over mans lies. you say there are no scriptures. Jeremiah 1:5 paraphrased. "Before you were born I knew you and ordained you a prophet unto the nations." Genesis, before things were created physically, ALL things were created spiritually. ok go ahead deny the bible again. everyone else does. People wonder why the world is evil. churches contradict each other right and left. simple! no one reads the bible any more.
---ashley on 9/12/07

con't. it is interesting many here throw away the prophecies of Isaiah that prophecy events leading up to the BOM becoming published as a companion to the bible. written by his prophets here in America. Jesus Christ is the Savior of all mankind. not just the old world. He raised up Moses, Abraham, Noah. why does everyone say he didn't do the same here. everyone is equal in God's eyes. the gospel is either for all or none to believe in and follow.
---ashley on 9/12/07

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ashley...Lucifer was an angel, not a man. Angels are not human beings. Your thinking is distorted by years of brainwashing. There are no scriptures that support LDS doctrine that we were once spirit beings.
---Susie on 9/11/07

tracy: I asked you if you wanted to talk about the bible or argue the bible. If you want to discuss it openly, I am here. If all you want to do is argue, I have most of the bible memorized and I guarantee you won't win your argument. The Holy Spirit is the bearer of all truth and He guides me, not man. I will answer one question though. have you never heard of the great high priest Melchizedek in the old testament. study him and then say what you did.
---ashley on 9/11/07

tracy: Jesus Christ created the heavens and the earth first spiritually, then physically under the direction of HIS father in Heaven. He did not create lucifer. Heavenly Father did the same way he created Jesus Christ, you, me and everyone else on the earth as spirits first before we were born. We are all brothers and sisters because we all have the same Father in Heaven. Yes tracy, that makes Jesus Christ and satan our brothers too. you can deny that, but you deny the bible you love to quote from.
---ashley on 9/11/07

{{ the bible teaches everything you asked}}

No, Ashley, it truly doesn't- on the contrary...

1. The Bible teaches Christ is the only Great High Priest and it can't be passed from one to another: 1 Peter 2:4-10, Hebrews 4:14, 5:9-10, 7:24-25, 8:1-2, 9:24

2. The Bible teaches that there's no second chance after death: Proverbs 11:7, Eccl. 9:10, Psalm 49:7-8, Luke 16:26-31, Hebrews 9:27
---tracy3346 on 9/10/07

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3. The Bible teaches that there's none like God, not before Him, beside Him, nor after Him: Isa. 43:10-11, Isa. 44:6 & 8, Isa. 46:5 & 9, Isa. 42:8

4. The Bible teaches that Jesus created the heavens and the angels, including Lucifer, who is a fallen angel: Isaiah 14:12-15, Psalm 33:6, Hebrews 11:3, Philippians 2:5-11, Colossians 1:15-17 and 2:9, John 1:3.
(Concerned Christians)

Please take the time and read these passages Ash.
---tracy3346 on 9/10/07

Anyway, I was asking Tammy if/where those doctrines are taught in the BoM while we were on the subject. I already know they're not taught in the Bible, so you're wasting your time trying to convince me they are. Please be honest with yourself. Read the Bible for your own benefit I know you're an adept writer so it seems to me that it wouldn't take you too long to read.
---tracy3346 on 9/10/07

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie,..." Rev. 9:3

Smith claimed the American Indians were the lost tribe of Israel. What's the Bible say about following after myths

1Ti 1:4 nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work-which is by faith.
---Andrea on 9/8/07

The LDS researchers who are very well educated in genetics bc the LDS teaches Baptism for the dead and the necessity to have your genealogy done. They have studied the edvidence and many many of the scientists are the ones leaving the church.
Joseph Smith lied.
---Andrea on 9/8/07

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ashley...I am well aware of Jesus' two great commandements. I am also aware of Book of Mormon scriptures as it laid on my family coffee table while growing up. My father was an Elder before his death and my brother is an Elder today. My father had several wives, but the world calls them mistresses.
---Susie on 9/3/07

LDS denies the Bible by saying that they have another testament. That is saying that the Bible is not enough. The manuscripts from which the Bible were translated are still around. Yet, Joseph Smith says he had to rebury the Book of Mormon plates. Think about it! If Book of Mormon were true, plates would have been available for all to see.
---Susie on 9/3/07

Jesus doesn't make mistakes or write lies. everyone has one bible. if you take ten churches, you get ten different doctrines taught because they are of man, not God yet they all quote the same bible. the difference lies in the fact. all protestant churches have taken some truths from the bible and ignore the rest. people arn't stupid. they see it and it creates arguments, hatred and contradiction between the same protestant churches creating them. God is a God of order, not contradiction and falsehoods.
---ashley on 9/3/07

ashley - Joseph Smith and a long succession of LDS prophets have denied the Bible - clearly - have you been reading the quotes given to you.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.
---Andrea on 9/3/07

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Paul advised us to avoid vain babblings.
It doesn't matter what the Book Of Mormon says.
It does matter what the word of God says.
Just for starters it says that all prophets will bear witness to Jesus as the Son of God and that we are reject any other doctrine that differs from what the early apostles preached from the laws and prophets.
For another, I find no naked angels. It was a shame for David's men to have their buttocks uncovered. How much more these heavenly beings!
---Frank on 9/3/07

Amen, Susie. But I would point out that many Great Saints have received instructions from God to straighten out the Church in times of trouble - St. Francis of Assisi was one such saint. But, God did not give them a bunch of new revelations to add to the scriptures. They had to work with what was already given - there was nothing wrong it after all.
---lorra8574 on 9/3/07

suzie. what are the two commandments in matt. I can see you don't know what they are. if you did, you wouldn't say what you did. if you deny one verse in the bible, you are guilty of denying the whole and prove you don't believe in Jesus Christ. many people here love to deny things Jesus said and follow men. if you follow a protestant church, heaven help you because they were formed in rebellion from the dreams, whims and desires of people in the 16th century in Germany and Poland.
---ashley on 9/3/07

If today someone began saying that they have a new revelation from God and He told them to restore the church because all on earth were wrong, would you follow that person? There are many leaders today who are teaching false doctrine. One even says that he is Jesus Christ. These false prophets have followers. Books are written everyday refuting Biblical truths. They make the best seller lists. Time is short. Jesus is coming soon. YOU are responsible if YOU follow one of these false prophets.
---Susie on 9/2/07

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There are many ex-mormons who wouldn't discuss the temple ordinances as they are still afraid something will happen to them if they do. They have been brainwashed into believing such nonsense. Discussing the temple garments is considered blasphemy. My friend remains LDS and continues to be baptized for the dead once a week. She is living proof that polygamy continued for years after Utah became a state. She has many half-brothers and sisters due to her father's many wives. She is LDS, not FLDS.
---Susie on 9/2/07

'It's important that people know that we are The Church of Jesus Christ and not simply "Mormons."'

Tammy this statement says it all. This is not true. The Church of Jesus Christ is made up of lots of members of different denominations. You have excluded all Christians with your statement.
---Susie on 9/2/07

"Mormon" was a label given to the LDS due to our belief in the Book of other words, whether they are called Mormon or LDS it doesn't change the doctrine of Jesus Christ. Again, this is something you already know but are trying to deceive others. It's important that people know that we are The Church of Jesus Christ and not simply "Mormons."
---Tammy on 9/1/07

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