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Billy Graham's Salvation Belief

Does Billy Graham believe that Jesus is not the only way to the Father? I have heard that Billy Graham has stated something that indicates a person did not have to believe or even know the name of Jesus Christ to be saved. It was a TV interview with Billy Graham and Robert Schuller.

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I'm truly sorry for all us christians who are readily and easily quick to ridicule a man. Let us pray for each other. So that all members of the Body of Christ may bring fruit. If we hurt members in the body we become partakers of the enemies work. Please brothers let us not bring each other down. How can a man be so angry when this man has brought so many to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?

Galatians 5:16-26
Romans 13:1 -13:8
---john_camping on 8/16/09

Donna I know Billy Graham at one point did have a true ministry ...his position has gradually changed over the years ...a soft approach that doesn't say much ...only has him saying much

many are watering down Gods Truth for profits today ...Apostles did not preach to be heard ...I think any man can be swept away by the size of their ministry forgetting Truth to appease the masses

what I see as the end of this age is closing is the prophecy by Christ of MANY false ministers and MANY would come in his name time when the two witnesses begin preaching Gods Truth MANY will look the other way because of the confusion foretold in prophecy is easy to see how that will happen now
---Rhonda on 3/12/09

Billy Graham is completely deceived , he approved of his daughter preaching even though those verses say otherwise , 1corinthians 14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
---eddy on 3/12/09


Evangelists often speak at stadiums. Many people give their lives to Jesus and it would not be possible to baptize all of them on the spot.

There are two main camps, one that puts too little emphasis on water baptism, one that puts too much. Jesus said you must be born again, He used the example of wind, which you can't see, but you can see it's power. In the same way, when you're born again you receive the Holy Spirit and your sins are forgiven. This happens internally, so water baptism is the outward expression of what God has done.

Bottom line is if a person is baptized but there is no genuine repentance, he does not receive the Holy Spirit and his sins are not forgiven, he's just getting wet.
---Laurie on 3/10/09

Rhonda-- Shueller, Olsteen...I have to agree.
They want people to feel good about themselves.

But how much did you ever listen to Billy Graham's sermons? He was not the same type. When he preached, he wanted people to know they are sinners...and let them know what to do about it. (His public statements in later years did make him sound quite liberal, but in his ministry of many years, long before the others, he was very fundamental)
---Donna66 on 3/9/09

Grahams, Schuller's, Olsteen's etc "simple" message is PROFITS in name of The Eternal ....MANY duped by their charismatic personalities earning millions in Gods name without preaching Word of God

where does it say "preach" to touch people's hearts, watered down truth, simple candy coated message so simpleton's of world understand

...Apostles did not preach to be heard they preached Gods Truth

...Gods Word is clear HE CALLS and HIS Holy Spirit TEACHES and imparts understanding ...dumbing down Gods Word with simple message deception so thick even non-evangelists are duped just because these FALSE ministers profess Christ on their lips ...Christ says these men are NONE of HIS Matt 15:8-9
---Rhonda on 3/8/09

Ramon: That is really odd. I always thought that Billy Graham had a solid message and anointing as an evangelist. I have never heard anyone say what you say.
---jody on 3/7/09

Billy Graham is a member of a long list of evangelists who attempted to "revive" the Belief in God for this country, the United States, as well as for the world. Their method of revival was through Spiritual attack. People will be drawn to the one who attacks them in order to appease the attacker. The name Jesus is not the name of the Messiah. His God-given name was a Hebrew name, Yeshua. Jesus was a name given to Him by a man, not God. The statement that a person doesn't have to know the name Jesus is a True Statement. Yeshua shows Himself to his people through their hearts and speaks to them on a Spiritual level. A person can be Saved of God and never have heard the name Jesus. Mr Graham was Correct.
---Sarah on 3/7/09


I understand what you're saying, but that does not change the fact not only Billy Graham, but most all "churches" do NOT teach baptism as a requirement. So, if Billy relies on others to present the actual "born again" salvation of Jesus... what does that speak about him? I doubt Paul sent the "new believers" at Corinth off to the church at Philadephia for baptism.

I know what the "Statements of Faith" are, from Billy, and virtually all others - baptism is not a requirement. How is this reconciled with the commandments of Jesus and His apostles, which are explicitly contrary to that "false doctrine"? Does "born again" salvation not matter anymore?
---BruceB on 3/6/09


Billy Graham is first and foremost an evangelist. As such, he's not going to focus a lot on doctrinal issues.

Evangelists, when speaking to large crowds, typically give a simple message designed to draw people to Jesus Christ. They're not going to spend a lot of time talking about everything YOU have to do, but what JESUS has done for you. Usually there are people available to speak to and pray with individuals who are making a commitment to Jesus at the end of the message, at which time they are encouraged to find a local church, read their Bibles, pray, etc.

Their local church will take care of guiding them thru the salvation process and start teaching them about Christian living.
---Laurie on 3/6/09


"Some people don't have a good understanding of the part water baptism plays in salvation."

As I cited:

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily [truthfully], verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

I can't read where He says... might not enter.

Anyone is free to choose whatever they wish to believe. That doesn't mean I'm judging them. I've told them the truth and it's their call: and I don't have to answer to God... for thier blood. Yeah, I'm selfish. But, I'm gettin' better. At least my motives are. There was a time I would not have spoken the truth... just like Billy.
---BruceB on 3/5/09

Some people don't have a good understanding of the part water baptism plays in salvation. Because of that, they are quick to judge anyone who doesn't have the same understanding they do. Baptism is something we do out of obedience, I don't think anyone disagrees with that, even Billy Graham.

HaHa, Bruce, you're a funny guy...not. Jesus wasn't talking about teaching when He spoke about being hated by all.
---Laurie on 3/5/09

BruceB -- Billy Graham did not believe salvation is obtained by baptism...but rather by faith alone. After accepting Jesus as personal Savior, Billy did not care what denomination a person chose. I'm sure many, after hearing Billy, were baptized in the church of their choice.
---Donna66 on 3/4/09

Alan UK,

I'd buy that... IF he didn't preach/teach that baptism if NOT required, which is exactly what he preaches/teaches. You don't have to believe me: you can read it for yourself on his website.

This is contrary to the Word of God (as I previously cited) and, therefore, it's the teaching of a false gospel of salvation.
---BruceB on 3/4/09

No, Billy Graham did not baptise.

His mission was to touch people's hearts, and send them home to their local Christian community so that there they could learn more, and then be baptised
---alan8856_of_UK on 3/4/09


He's a false teacher if he's teaching a false doctrine of salvation, which he is. Billy makes it perfectly clear that "baptism" is not required: contrary to the Word of God.

They will hate you for his name -- if you teach the truth. Why do you think they hated Jesus... because of the way He parted His hair?
---BruceB on 3/4/09

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Sometimes I wonder if some people don't intentionally try to be as obnoxious in sharing their beliefs as possible so that when they're "hated by all for His name's sake" they can convince themselves that's proof they're the real deal.

In Matt. 10, when Jesus speaks of being "hated by all", He's talking about all those who hate HIM, which would not include Christians. To imply that because there are people who don't hate Billy Graham that means he must be a false teacher is ridiculous.
---Laurie on 3/3/09


As far as I know, Billy Graham never once baptized anyone: and further, he made it clear in his "ministry" that baptism was not a requirement of salvation.

Of course, Jesus had a different idea:

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Paul, the quintesential "evangelist" states:

Ro 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

I'll leave it to you, and the Holy Spirit, to decide who preached the truth.
---BruceB on 3/3/09

I'm old enough to remember Billy Graham in the early years of his ministry. His doctrine, since then, seems have changed quite a bit in some areas.

However,he has led thousands to the Lord...and a great many of those have flourished and grown and served as authentic Christians.

Billy G was never known as a great student of or purveyer of doctrine. He had the gift of an Evangelist and had a powerful ministry as such.
Now that he's 90 yrs old and out of public life, I think this a moot point. Watch his son Franklin and his daugter Ruth in their ministries and see what THEY believe.
---Donna66 on 3/2/09


2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

God didn't say you should listen to those who preach contrary to the "Word" of God jsut because it sounds good, did He?

All you need do is read God's Word (and pray for its meaning) and that should tell you what you need to know about any "man of God."

That's why He left us that Book: so we would have His teachings to compare against, so we didn't have to rely on man.
---BruceB on 3/2/09

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There's really a rather simple test:

Mt 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my names sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Ever known anyone who hated Billy Graham for the name, Jesus? In view of Jesus' own words, ya gotta ask yourself "why not?". That's the key question and the answers are simple, if you compare Billy's teachings against the Bible.
---BruceB on 2/28/09

Catherine I believe by reading Dr. Cathy Burns book you might possibly be enlightened.
---mima on 2/25/09

When will people ever stop listening to the devil? Billy Graham don't believe no such thing, as there being more than one-way to heaven than through the Blood. I almost became like all of you people in pointing fingers at God's preachers. He told me not to point fingers. He said exactly to me and I quote God, "Well, don't you start pointing fingers". End of quote. Just because I was reading some things about Pat Roberson on the internet [Him being a false preacher]. I asked God, "Don't you have any God called preachers at all out there in the world"? And that was God's response back to me.>>>I ask questions and listen for His answers. Only that time I didn't really expect an answer. Got one anyways.
---catherine on 2/25/09

We have some devoted intellectuals that are devoted too fact-finding. I ordered a book and read it, and I believe the author's name is Cathy Burns. In this book she detailed Billy Graham's Ministry and his Associated friends. I found the book shocking, revealing and very heavily indexed and referenced.---- All that glitters is not gold!!!!!!
---mima on 2/25/09

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Betty~ Rita has a questions for you about Billy Graham if you could please answer it. Thanks.
---Anne on 2/24/09

Billy Graham has a greatly faulted Gospel and idea of why Jesus was born, had died and rose again. I have seen this "I heard" video of BG stating these things. A faulted Gospel is no Gospel at all. Its poison to the soul. If you want the true Gospel try to YouTube "Paul Washer + true Gospel".
---Anthony on 2/23/09

Betty, could you explain what you meant when you said "Billy Graham has let thousands of people down the wrong path just like the pope has." I realise that this was posted quite a few months ago but I've only just seen it and if you're still around I'd be grateful for an explanation.
---RitaH on 1/30/08

I am always leery when somebody starts out a sentence with, "I heard..". It usually ends up being not true.
---denna7667 on 9/15/07

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I would have to hear that from His mouth. Rev. Bill Graham
9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
There's only ONE called Rev. and it not a just a man BUT the one and only GOD/MAN

---steven-rem7000 on 9/7/07

Alan of UK is this the verse you were thinking of? Proverbs 24:12. The N.I.V. seems to be the clearest on this to me.
---RitaH on 9/7/07

BG preaches a god that loves everybody that is not the God of the Bible.
Duet.7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people, for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the LORD loved you...
---steven-rem7000 on 9/7/07

BG preaches a god that loves everybody that is not the God of the Bible
Ps5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
Ps11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth
---steven-rem7000 on 9/7/07

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no jana - the Jews still observe it too. You will be judge with all who choose to follow the law instead of Christ.
BG knows his Bible and knows about the grace of God. He also knows about SDA and if he believed that Jesus wanted the sabbath observed like the OT he'd have done it in a heart beat.
AS wopuld all Christians.
SDA is a cult dear - otherwise all the loving people here would have run to your theology
see ..exadventist outreach
---Andrea on 9/7/07

BG preaches a jesus that died for everybody's sin which is another jesus
it conditions entrance into heaven on the sinner

Matt1:21 he came to save HIS PEOPLE from their sins (and HE SAVES EVERYONE OF THEM)
and conditions all of salvation on the work the Father gave him.
Jn17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
(those whom the Father gave Him ALL OF THEM) THAT'S A SAVIOR!!!
---steven-rem7000 on 9/7/07

Billy Graham is a great preacher..the only thing I have never heard him preach is the Sabbath of God..He preached about the 10 commandments of God and believes in it yet breaking one..the very one everyone hates to be obedient to..
---jana on 9/7/07

I do not believe this. He has spent his whole life serving God. I wonder what these people are doing for God who are spreading such falsehoods about men and women of God. Does not Satan have anything better to do ?
---catherine on 9/7/07

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I would have to hear that from His mouth. Rev. Bill Graham has preached the simple truth of salvation by the blood of Jesus to nearly two hundred and fifty million people worldwide for over forty years.

Key phrase I see here is you saying, "I have heard."
---denna7667 on 9/6/07

continued Andrea
I pray for elected officals. I pray for those who ask for prayer. I pray for the true gospel to be preached to bring home the lost sheep "my sheep hear my voice"
I pray for Christ return etc...But I pray not for the world as a whole.
God's will, will be done Matt 6:9-15
Rm 9:19 "who has resisted his will" (those who believe in other god's, free will etc..??) God answers those ?'s if you believe the bible
sincerely steven
---steven-rem7000 on 9/6/07


I'm sure you and God have some kind of special relationship, but I'm sorry, I can't accept whatever goes on inside your own head as having any kind of special authenticity without corroboration (God didn't speak the same things to me, or anyone else I know).

And whether or not God CAN save everyone, the scripture I quoted shows that he WANTS to save everyone, whether they are willing or not.
---Mark on 9/5/07


And just WHICH "other gospel" does Billy Graham preach? I am very curious to hear just exactly what he teaches that contradicts scripture.
---Mark on 9/5/07

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Michelle on 9/4/07
I'm quoted God's word nothing more nothing less.
my religion is sovereign grace (God saves His people Matt.1:21) and all of them he shall not lose non. It is by grace you are saved THAT NOT OF YOURSELF it is a gift of God Eph.2:8-9
maybe ask a more direct ? or ?'s
I'm not a novice and I'll answer you biblically in a spirit of meekness
a servent of thee LORD steven
ps I'm just a man, fallible though God's word is infallible
---steven-rem7000 on 9/5/07

catherine - God had no trouble converting Saul.
---Andrea on 9/5/07

Mark in all due respect. A conversation I had with God a while back over a lost soul, there are some people God can not save. People have to be willing. And Satan has some so bound up till if God wanted to save them He can not.
---catherine on 9/5/07

Steven, I don't understand a word your saying. I consider myself a christian and full of the Holy Spirit but I can't discern how you interpret scripture. What denomination are you? I know mine doesn't teach nor believe what you are saying.
Does anyone else feel the same way as me?
Steve, if I was unsaved, I would run from you.
---Michelle on 9/4/07

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?1. Rm.9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Mal 1:2,3
before they were born

?2.Billy Graham preaches another gospel (another jesus) which is no gospel
God's says: Gal.1:6-10
"let them be accrused"

Matt.6:33 But seek ye 1st the kindom of God and His righteousness

Rm.1:16 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed
---steven-rem7000 on 9/4/07

steve 7000 - I read into your post about BG - sounded very judgmental and when you 'state' you only pray with 'saints' just sounds bizzarre. (only saying how it sounds)
as far as my 'putting people down' its not my nature but as you must know its difficult to allow room for niceities.
I do get impatient with some of the cults and I should not. It does them no good and wastes my time. I have to work on that - I tend to have a smart as* attitude late at night. Sorry
---Andrea on 9/4/07

Andrea asked ? I answered
I'll follow Jesus examples
Jn17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine, and I am glorified in them.

1Jn 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine (person and work of Christ), receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
---steven-rem7000 on 9/4/07

Andrea I've read some of your answers to ?'s your answers lean more to putting another down rather than wanting to know more about why some one answers this ? doctrinally or by their own imaginations pulling vereses out of context etc..

i hope in the future you might consider the spirit in which you write.
Eph.4:29,Col.3:17 word and deed
---steven-rem7000 on 9/4/07

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I pray not with you, but for the Lord to open your understanding

andrea I pray w/ saints only and we pray for each other & preach all to repent and believe
---steven-rem7000 on 9/1/07
well aren't you special. Don't get yourself dirty praying with the needy or sinners.

Remind you of the two Jesus described in the temple - the thief and the one that was so glad he wasn't a lousy sinner like the other one.
Poor thing you really don't get it.

Luke 18:10
---Andrea on 9/2/07

If any Christian needs to know the relationship Graham had with the Catholic Church all one would need to do is do a search of "Billy Graham" and "the pope." You'll find how Graham praised the Catholic Church many times and how he was quoted in Parade Magazine, "I fully adhere to the fundamental tenets of the Christian faith for myself and my ministry, but as an American, I respect other paths to God." He also believed in ecumenism which include Islam and Buddism.
---Steveng on 9/2/07

Mark, interpretation of the Word of God is crucial. It's not what we want it to mean but what God wanted it to mean. When someone say's that God wants to save the whole world but cannot because man would let Him, because he has free will, is proposterous. First of all God is Sovereign. Second, if you say God wants to save everyone and cannot, God becomes enslave to sin. Can you not see that?
---mark on 9/2/07

#2. Mark: It's easy to use such words as that God is trying His best but cannot or is limited by man, makes Him enslave to sin, since man while lost is completely sinful. Man is enslaved to sin, not God. How in the world can God be enslave to anything He created? Jesus told his diciples, that to them it was given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but that to others it was not given." Think about it Mark. I believe before people use a phrase they have to be very careful.
---mark on 9/2/07

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#3.Before anyone answers any questions in Scripture, they have to think before they answer, they have to reconcile with, God's nature, and attributes. We cannot compromise the Holiness of God, His right to rule over His creation with our believes. Our answers have to start from Him been the center of our faith. Not man's.
---mark on 9/2/07


What does "God not sharing his glory" have to do with Billy Graham?

Billy Graham never preaches about Billy Graham - he preaches about Jesus.
---Mark on 9/2/07


"BUT not those verses for thy strike at the heart of God"

How can quoting ANY verse "strike at the heart of God"?

"and how you interpeted them shows you no not God as a just God and a Savior (His justice nor His Mercy)"

The verse I quoted POINTS OUT his mercy.
the 85-word limit makes it VERY hard to do in-depth theological studies here. You point out one side of the issue, and I point out the other side, so readers can see both.
---Mark on 9/2/07


John 3:16
"For God so loved the world (except for Amalek)..."
Oh wait. It doesn't say that either.

We must take ALL the verses, both the convenient and the inconvenient, to arrive at a balanced understanding, not just those that support our own particular theological position.
---Mark on 9/2/07

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Betty ... What was it in BG's teaching that was wrong?
---alan_of_UK on 9/2/07


Requardless......, What do you believe?

Rm.1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:

for it is the power of God unto salvation

to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
<17 For (WHERE)


is the righteousness of God revealed
(Know what it means? IT'S REVEALED IN THE GOSPEL)

Hab 2:4 Gal 3:11 18
---steven-rem7000 on 9/1/07

I failed to mention also in Jn.3:16 the world coralates with Rm.1:16 which show the world made up of Jews and Gentiles out of the world again Rev 5:9 not the whole world
---steven-rem7000 on 9/1/07

Mark God will not share His glory Isa.42:8

2Peter The book is written to beleievers and none for whom Christ came for will perish God brings them to faith Ehp.2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith,

and that not of yourselves:

it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

hope that helps steven
---steven-rem7000 on 9/1/07

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Mark most religious people however sincere take verses out of context and pull them out for face value, even babes in Christ will do that until rightly taught,

BUT not those verses for thy strike at the heart of God

and how you interpeted them shows you no not God as a just God and a Savior (His justice nor His Mercy)

I pray not with you, but for the Lord to open your understanding

andrea I pray w/ saints only and we pray for each other & preach all to repent and believe
---steven-rem7000 on 9/1/07

Mark ? did God love these people who were not only in the world but His children by creation
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

1Sam.15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass
---steven-rem7000 on 9/1/07

Mark I showed you who are the world (Jn.3:16) in Rev.5:9
the whosoever will is commanded to believe, COMMANDED. Now Rm.3:10 God says none will. How do we balance that out?
Those who will are made YES made willing
Psm 110:3 be the new birth Jn3:8

Rm.9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
---steven-rem7000 on 9/1/07


(emphases mine):

John 3:16
"For God so loved THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"

2 Peter 3:9
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance"

I am not saying all WILL be saved. I am saying God WANTS all to be saved.
---Mark on 9/1/07

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Billy Graharm has let thousan of people down the wrong path just like the pope has
---Betty on 9/1/07

this is off his web site

The Billy Graham Library is part of this timeless mission. Each person who passes through the doors, at the foot of a large glass cross, will encounter the story of a man who made it his lifes work to tell historys most powerful story

that God loves all of us

and invites us

to experience that love through His Son, Jesus Christ.

ps I quote "that's over 210 million people 185 countries"
---steven-rem7000 on 8/31/07

Step 1 of 4:
Steps to Peace with God by Billy Graham

1. God's Purpose: Peace and Life

God loves you and wants you to experience peace and lifeabundant and eternal.

ya'll can look up the rest.
he quotes some good verses,

ps the Lord God graciously and wisely raises up entire nations and treads down entire nations for the salvation of his elect (Isa. 43:1-7).
---steven-rem7000 on 8/31/07

mark I'm not saying God is not drawing one

Jn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 16:8 when he is come (Holy Spirit), he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment

Jn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

God brings one to the truth and he will repent from former idoltary, religious lies
---steven-rem7000 on 8/31/07

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Maybe Robert Schuller but not Billy Graham believes that. There must have been a misunderstanding about that. If you have ever heard any of Graham's sermons then there would be no question about him. On the other hand if you have heard Robert Schuller there might be questions about what he believes. Requardless of what they believe, What do you believe?
---susan on 8/31/07


anytime one preaches universal atonement(which is a lie), that automaticly conditions salvation on the sinner

Gal 1:8,2Cor 11:13 God says also to mark them

Rm 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them.

18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly,

and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
---steven-rem7000 on 8/31/07

steven-rem7000: (1):

"Graham amd Schuller are both false prophets and not one person will be saved under their ministry. They both preach works salvation, which is not grace Rm.11:6"

why do you say Graham preaches works salvation? Can you cite any references? I have seen him both on TV and in person and don't recall him ever saying that.
---Mark on 8/31/07

steven-rem7000: (2):

Even false teachers can make legitimate converts. Nobody will fall for a 100% lie - effective lies have to be a mixture of truth and deception, so if a teacher teaches that, some discerning listeners will believe the truth part and reject the lies part.
---Mark on 8/31/07

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steven-rem7000: (3):

Phillipians 1:15-18
"15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife, and some also of good will:"
"16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds"
"17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel."
"18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached, and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice."
---Mark on 8/31/07

Acts 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
Isa 49:6

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Rm 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy

sooooooooooooo it is God that shows mercy
---steven-rem7000 on 8/30/07


Rm.8:28b to THEM WHO ARE the called
(by GOD'S ONLY GOSPEL, not a false one millions believe)
according to HIS purpose.

The called (and called by their names)according to HIS propose.
Jn.1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Rev.5:9 the redeemed OUT OF every kindred, tribe,tounge and nation. That covers the world in Jn.3:16

sanity? relgious people said Jesus had a devil in him
---steven-rem7000 on 8/30/07

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