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Are All Humans Saved

I was thinking about the once saved always saved doctrine and the doctrine that says all humans are conceived and born saved. If all human babies are saved and once you are saved you are always saved does that mean every human is saved?

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 ---Ryan_Z on 9/8/07
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The so called once saved always saved IS False teachings Is Man - made just like easy believism, no works salvation, the sinners prayer that are here Matt.15 v 9 & came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 & Not from God.

People that believe such Are trying to steal their way John 10 v 1 into heaven without going through the door of the sheep fold. This man here stole in Matt.22 v's 11 - 13 & represents the Whole body of the Man - made relig - org's churches beginning with the trin rcc & was cast out.
---Lawrence on 8/17/10

NO, it does not mean all humans are saved. Most will not be. Revelation period immediately following tribulation. The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give light, and the stars will fall from the sky [man this is interesting] And the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then "The sign", we all want signs you will have one, the Son of Man will appear on the clouds of the sky with great power. God's angels will gather together His elect from one end of the sky to the other.
---catherine on 9/19/07

there are many scriptures that talk about being cut off from God. In order to be cut off you must of been attached at one time.all i can say is read the new testiment and you will see for your self.
---kenneth on 9/19/07

Thank you brother Steven, I really enjoy answering and looking up passages. I am previlged to be given the time in my life to learn more and more about God. I am having a bit of trouble with one blog question that was mentioned and have spend some time on it but, cannot reconcile the passages. I know there is always an answer and I will find it. Praise and glory to the Lord, brother. Thank you and others for coming on line.
---Mark_V. on 9/18/07

Mark V.
I always enjoy reading your Scriptual answers.
Soooooooo this is an encouragement from me that you teach sound bibical doctrine and it's irrefutable, as so is its harmomy
praise the LORD whom alone is worthy
---steven-rem7000 on 9/16/07

Eloy, if you read the whole message in 1 Cor. 7:14, you will find that the husband is referred to "Unbelieving husband" no unbelieving person enters the kingdom of God. Been sanctified in this case of marriage, means that he has an opportunity to become saved. Since he is connected to his wife as one. But in no way does it mean he is saved since he is mentioned as an "Unbeliever." 1 Cor. 1:4-9 explains who are the believers.
---Mark_V. on 9/16/07

#2. Eloy: "I thank God always concerning you for the Grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus, that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge, even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.".
---Mark_V. on 9/16/07

#3. Eloy: The one's saved, were saved by the Grace of God, they were given faith, so that the testimony of Christ is confirmed in you, and God gave you every gift necessary for you to complete your walk with Christ waiting for His revelation in the end, and you will be held blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. He completes it with, "God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord."
---Mark_V. on 9/16/07

#4. Eloy: Those passages to you are meaninless since you believe in free will of man, you believe in saving yourself, you believe in works, and you believe in losing salvation. So those passages have no meaning for you. Only to those who believe by faith that have confirmed the testimony of Christ, will believe this passages.
---Mark_V. on 9/16/07

Where did you get the idea that all babies are saved? Please read Psalm 58:4, 5 and Psalm 51:5. Man is born in sin and is spiritally DEAD (Ephesians 2:1-3, Jeremiah 17:9). Man is on his way to hell UNLESS the Lord intervenes and saves him. This is why we need to be born-again (John 3).
---Ed_from_IL on 9/15/07

.phil, "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean, but now are they holy." I Corinthians 7:14. But you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 9/13/07

I would have to disagree with Eloy about one party being sanctified then the off spring is sanctified. Rather all it means is the product of conception is not reprobate. The product of a sanitised union my possibly be sanctified if and only if it is among the preordained elect. The product of an unsanctified union is reprobate and soulless by definition, serving is a living host system to be indwelled by pure evil, the perfect tool to do Satins bidding.
---Phil_the_Elder on 9/13/07

The world teaches the falsehood that all babies are born innocent, but the Bible teaches that when a sin-stained man and sin-stained woman yoke and produce offspring, then their offspring is also sin-stained. But when either the man or the woman is a sanctified Christian and they produce offspring, then their offspring is also sanctified.
---Eloy on 9/13/07

Those whom God saves He carries all the way OSAS

Isa.46:3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:

4 And even to your old age I am he, and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear, even I will carry, and will deliver you.

5 To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?
---steven-rem7000 on 9/12/07

---Ryan_Z wrote
the doctrine that says all humans are conceived and born saved

where is the scripture, just one that backs up what you have said above??
---steven-rem7000 on 9/12/07

Babies and very young children don't know right from wrong yet so when something happens to them, God takes them home with Him. For the rest of us,only the ones who have truly accepted Jesus as their Saviour will be saved.
---Rowene on 9/12/07

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Ryan Z, I see. You are right. We need to pray for all these lost people lost in these delusions.
---Eloy on 9/11/07

Hi all! Paul wrote in Ephesians 1:10 that in the end God will gather together in unity all things in Christ, things both in heaven and earth. Paul also writes in Timothy 2:4 that God wills all humanity to be saved. And who can resist His will? This is really the Good News for all of us! God bless!
---John1944 on 9/11/07

Mark V. - Amen brother. We are saved by Grace - Eph. 2:8, and because our God is an unchanging God (Mal 3:6), his elect people, predestinated from before the beginning of time (Rom 8:28-30, Eph 1:3-6) shall not be seperated from his eternal love (Rom 8:33-39).
---trey on 9/10/07

I think the questioner is mixing two uncompilable theologies. All are born into original sin. Until God offer his Grace to his Preordained Elect there is no hope of salvation. Once God has offer you salvation nothing can take you from him. But that does not mean that God can't take you to the wood shed for some applied motivation or corrective training when you deserve it. But one you are a member of the family of God it is permanent.
---notlaw99 on 9/10/07

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Ryan, let me be the one to answer you. With your question you try to undermind the Work of God in creation, and in the new believer, and then connect it with babies. Before you and Eloy pad yourself's in the back, with a wonderful work you guys are doing, you should study on who God is first. God is Omniscience, He knows all. If you got that straight from the beginning you would not be so confuse with the passages. He cannot save someone and unsave him because He suddendly saw something new in him.
---Mark_V. on 9/10/07

#2. Ryan: You said, "I was thinking about the OSAS doctrines and so etc" what you should have been thinking about was, Who is God" You see Ryan, you have to know Him first in order to understand what He is talking about. First of all listen to this, "We are saved by Grace" Grace Ryan, God's Grace. I have just finished putting down what Grace is in another blog in answering your friend Eloy. He dosn't know God's Grace. He thinks it's conditional.
---Mark_V. on 9/10/07

#3. Ryan, Who ever heard of Grace been conditional? Second, "all babies are born saved" As a matter of fact they are all condemned. Destined to hell, "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquitity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." That is pretty simple. I know you believe they are born in sin cause you mentioned that before already. As the result of Adam's transgression, men are born in sin and by nature are spiritually dead.
---Mark_V. on 9/10/07

#4. Ryan, therefore if they are to become God's children and enter His kingdom, they must be born anew of the Spirit. No one escapes that even babies. No one conceived is alive to Christ. You see Ryan, no one goes to heaven apart from "Grace" Babies who die go to heaven by pure Grace. It is all Grace because they are sinful in nature. They are all cupable. They are guilty before God. That's why death is a reality in their lives.
---Mark_V. on 9/10/07

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#5. But, it isn't necessary for them to comprehend any of that because that's the very point. They can't. And so, it is sheer Grace, which makes it such a wonderful illustration of how all of us are saved by the the same kind of Grace-only in an adult case, God, by that Grace, effects repentance and faith in our hearts. The process of sanctification and glorification comes together with grace for the babies.
---Mark_V. on 9/10/07

#6. Ryan, God has chosen a people, from infinite time, those choices made by God are all going to come true. They will be chosen by Grace, and it will be the way God ordained it to be. You and I cannot change what God has already done, seen, and is complete in His sight. He is after all Sovereign God of the Universe, controller of all things, Lord of Lord and King of Kings. He doesn't create a new you, know that you are saved, then later finds out you have sinned again, and has to unsave you,
---Mark_V. on 9/10/07

#7. Ryan, if two people stood next to each other and one believed everything but the other didn't, the one that didn't would be stupid and the one that didn't smart. So he gets saved because he is smarter then the other. Or maybe he had a better education, or maybe he was born in a Christian home. So I guess been smart gets you in to. No Ryan, Salvation is by Grace through faith, so that no one can boast. God's Grace, Not your works, not your smartness, but Grace.
---Mark_V. on 9/10/07

Eloy, I know they are not biblical doctines. I was just pointing out the doctrinal conflicts to believe in both of these doctrines. Unfortunately no one that believes in both of these doctrines has responded, I wish they would, I would love to hear how they reconcile the doctrinal conflicts.
---Ryan_Z on 9/9/07

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Age of accountability is tied in with the Biblical principal of knowing sin. See James 4:17 as the mirror of this principle. In the Garden when Eve took part of the fruit, she was cajoled or tricked, while I think she was personally lost at this point, the Bible records no punishment. Adam made a conscious choice and sin then entered the world and creation.
---ed_the_other_one on 9/9/07

poster, None of the doctrines you posted are Biblical.
---Eloy on 9/9/07

14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
---Mr._Graham on 9/9/07

Great point, Jody.

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

12 Those by the way side are they that hear, then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy, and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
---Mr._Graham on 9/9/07

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Once saved always saved is a false doctrine (Revelation 3:5 - how can your name be blotted out of the Book of life if it were not in there to begin with). Humans were born into sin (and are NOT born saved). All humans are sinners, and can only be saved by: 1 - repenting (turning away from sin), 2 - accepting Jesus Christ into your heart as your Lord and Savior. These are the ONLY things to indacate salvation. Apart from those two, NO man is saved.
---Leslie on 9/9/07

This queston is designed for people that believe in the OSAS and all babies go to heaven doctrines. If you do not believe in both of these doctrines then there is no doctrinal conflict, however, if you do believe in both doctrines I was curious how you would account for the obvious doctrinal conflict. Thank you all for your responses, although I disagree with many of your positions, but that is another topic for another time. God Bless.
---Ryan_Z on 9/9/07

Would someone tell me where in the bible I can study on this age of accountability?
---Trey on 9/9/07

No, it is a false teaching to say that all human beings are saved because they are not. Not all human beings will be saved, for Scripture does not teach that. Salvation is a free gift from God for "whosoever will".
---Helen_5378 on 9/9/07

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Hi . No . All people are not saved. For starters, the QSAS notion is false doctrine with overwhelming scripture to show that it is untrue. All people are born into sin and have sin natures. Babies are not accountable as they have no knowledge. Once a person reaches an age of accountability, God draws him/her to make a choice regarding salvation. The Bible says that "The road to heaven is narrow" AND "many are called and few are chosen,".:)
---jody_martin on 9/9/07

All humans are born into original sin. Babies are not old enough to make the conscious decision. Your grandma's, mom's, dad's or anybody else's prayers can get you into heaven. It is entirely up to the individual to make that decision. Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
---denna7667 on 9/9/07

Every baby is born with a clean slate. If a baby or child dies before the age of accountablity they are carried immediately up to heaven.
---Whisper on 9/9/07

Ecclesiastes 7:29: Lo, this only have I found, that God hath
made man upright, but they have sought out many inventions.
Then the word upright brought me word associations with

Isaiah 40:3: The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness,
Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert
a highway for our God.
---Nana on 9/8/07

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John 1: 23: "He said, I am the voice of one crying in the
wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the
prophet Esaias."

Hebrews 12: 13: "And make straight paths for your feet, lest
that which is lame be turned out of the way, but let it rather be
---Nana on 9/8/07

Ofcourse not. All babies are saved because they have not lived long enough to commit sins. But when a person becomes of age to know right from wrong then you become accountable for what you do in this life. You should know most people will not be saved. Jesus said only a few. I hope you are one of the few.>>>Neither will I ever preach once saved always saved,
---catherine on 9/9/07

I agree with Ed's post.

The Father only condemns those who consciously reject His offer of salvation, or considers it insufficient after hearing and understanding the true concerning it. The Father knows the heart of man. The same Son hardens the clay, yet melts the wax. The heart of a man is the candle of the LORD.
---Josef on 9/8/07

As I understand the doctrine, a child (baby) is not accountable, even though born with the sin nature. They are not "saved," yet are not condemned. My understanding is that equates to the same status as saved. The individual must then make a decision for Christ when he reaches an accountable age. Don't ask what is the accountable age! (Well, don't ask me! I don't know as it seems to vary from individual to individual.)
---ed_the_other_one on 9/8/07

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