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Is Jesus The God Of The OT

Is Jesus the God of the Old Testament? He said the OT was about Him (John 5:39). He was the Rock that followed Israel in the wilderness (1Cor 10:4). He predated Abraham (John 8:58). Then why do some Christians deny the OT?

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...and the Word WAS GOD. Jesus: Emmanuel (GOD with us). He created ALL things. Jesus..the SAME yesterday, today, forever. Jesus, all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Alpha to Omega. and on and on and on... God. God made HIMSELF a sacrifice. A Lamb, for our salvation from before the beginning.
---mikefl on 9/25/07

Yes, Jesus was in the OLD Testament.

He was the TABERNACLE of Moses. Jesus is the exact PATTERN of the OT.

One aspect of this relationship was Gods requirement for complete obedience. God told Moses to create the tabernacle EXACTLY the way He commanded. It was not to stray from Gods blueprint.

Make this tabernacle and all its furnishings exactly like the pattern I will show you. (Exodus 25:9)
---CiNdY92714 on 9/25/07

2.The wilderness tabernacle is a projection of Gods redemptive plan
In NT, Jn1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.This word dwelling is the same word for tabernacle in the OT. In other words, God came in living flesh to dwell or to tabernacle among His people. As He walked upon the earth and lived among the Jews,Christ Himself fulfilled the picture of the OT tabernacle. In that and many other ways, the tabernacle really was a prophetic projection of the Lords redemptive plan.
---cInDy92714 on 9/25/07

We too can BE part of GOD'S dwelling place when we follow Jesus. But it doesn't mean we become God YAWEH, but we will partake his character, his holiness, we become children of God, like Jesus.

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. (Rev. 21:3)
---cInDy92714 on 9/25/07

They are blinded remember Jesus was there before the OT itself (John 1 vs 1 and the following. If you do not have the foundation the house will not stand, so do they, you need the old testament in order to understand the new other wise it will be difficult for you and you will miss out.
---Peter_Mafohla on 9/24/07


Good one Mike!

Note that Jesus' name is not called God the Word, but is called The Word of God, or Gods Word. Hence John 1:1 must mean, at most, that the Word was of God. Cross reference to Revelation19:13 [He is] clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.


(In the beginning was the word, and the word)


(was with God,and God was the Word
---CiNdY92714 on 9/24/07



(this was at the beginning with God)

the omission of the definite article the before the Greek word thes makes the word thes like an adjective that describes the nature of the Word rather than identify his person.

This fact accounts for it that some translators render it: And the Word was divine.
---CiNdY92714 on 9/24/07


The Word is the Son of God, not the Second Person of God.

To show that he was Gods Word or spokesman, Jesus said to the Jews: My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. Explaining that he spoke for God, Jesus also said: Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.John 7:16, 17, 12:50.
---CiNdY92714 on 9/24/07


PLAN: Translated from the Greek LOGOS- meaning something said including the thoughts, by implication: a topic or subject of set discourse, also reasoning with the mental faculties, and motive.

This Greek word LOGOS shows to be itself the Greek translation of the ORIGINAL Hebrew word DABAR, which means: Yahweh's revealed will....His WHOLE PLAN and purpose for mankind.
---CiNdY92714 on 9/24/07

I have sworn by myself, the WORD IS GONE OUT OF MY MOUTH in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Is 55:11
So shall my WORD be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but IT SHALL accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing where to I SENT IT .

Can U prove these do not refer to the Word of God? Testament of the coming of his Son, the prophetic Word of God became flesh.
---CiNdY92714 on 9/24/07

Who do you say Isreal is?
---Martin on 9/24/07

Here is a challenge to anyone who wants an anseer to this. You need a good concordance, Strongs being the best. You need one that differentiayes between the various words in the original. A general concordance won't work as well.
Look up "word" in the Hebrew, and you will find 2 usages. A working knowledge of English grammer is also needed.
I've not tried this in anything but the AV.
---mike8384 on 9/24/07

The first usage of the "word of God" is that of the prophet saying "hear ye the word of the Lord" where he is quoting the prophecy.
The 2nd is where the Word comes to the prophet, and is clearly a person. In the Septuagint. this is the word LOGOS, which John equates with Jesus.
So these times, it is Jesus that they are talking about.
---mike8384 on 9/24/07


God made covenants with Noah, Abraham, and the children of Israel under Moses. So nothing new about making covenant.

As to God is love, that is a NT about Him, but are you prepared to say that this is a new facet of God? Are you prepared to say that God was not love in the OT?

What new commandments are you talking about? The commandments that Yeshua stated , love God and love your neighbor, are just summaries of all of Gods commandments. So nothing new about them.
---cInDy92714 on 9/24/07


The only thing new would be that God is triune. But it is not new as it is not supported. Yet you know that the OT predicts the coming of the Messiah. However, it never once says that the Messiah will be God in the flesh.

But regardless, God does NOT change. Why would he keep this triune nature from His chosen people for 4000 years?

The NT is concerning about Christ, the Tabernacle of God, the final Covenant of God which fulfilled the OT.
---cInDy92714 on 9/24/07

The confusion was caused by Satan impersonating Jesus when Saul was blinded and forced to do what he did. The real God NEVER forces any EVIL person to be His apostle! If you use the eye witnesses of Jesus in the New Testament you will find the truth and it agrees 100% with the OT.
---Rich on 9/24/07

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I love reading the OT and seeing how God has never changed - His grace was available to any with a contrite heart. Our greatest heroes have huge sins against them but, they knew God and could only trust His grace. We have the reality of Christ they only had their faith that there would be a messiah.
I read the OT to get to know my unchanging God and the NT to see the absolute expression of this love.
My doctrine is NT, I thank God I'm not in bondage to the OT
---Andrea on 9/24/07

Zep 3:17 The Lord God is with you, he is mighty to save. He will take great delight in you, he will quiet you with his love, he will rejoice over you with singing."

Did you know Jesus sings over you? Great is His love!
---Andrea on 9/24/07

cont.. Some Christians may not identify or accept the Old Testament because there are some contradictions that cannot be resolved if the Lord's word is truly eternal. If you follow Jesus and you are Jewish, then you may be bound to the old covenant as well since Jesus did not come to change or do away with the law. The problem is that it is Paul who gives us what we follow today and not necessarily Jesus.
---Tony on 9/24/07

The Mosaic covenant is just for the physical seed of Abraham. If you choose to convert and follow the Law then you must obey not 10, but 613 commandments. That being said, it is quite obvious that the sabbath, on saturday is only for the jewish people. This is hard to accept at first but realize that if you follow Jesus then you realize that acts 15 mentions nothing about the sabbath for non-jews who accept christ. To answer the question however cont...
---Tony on 9/24/07

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Lee: if God made Mosaic Laws for the Hebrews only, then what are you doing worshiping the Hebrew God? You say we are to go by NT only, which means, we worship the top or bottom part only of God Jehovah instead of all..The OT and NT is Christ Himself, John 1:1,2 The Word, and allllll of it..not just part.
---jana on 9/23/07

In the parable of the wheat and tares Matt. 13:24-30), the wheat represent the true believers. In the parable of the 10 virgins (Matt 25) the wise virgins represent the true believers. And finally in Matt 7:21-23 the Lord tells us that everyone that says they are saved, may not be saved. 2 Cor 13:5 is written to all of us!
---Ed_from_IL on 9/23/07

Lee * While every genuine Christian holds that the Old Testament is scripture, doctrine is drawn only from the New Testament. *

I don't understand completely. I agree that we need to have a understanding between the Old Covenant and New Covenant, which SDA find it difficult to do, but teachings should be drawn from both the OT and NT. Granted that is does not conflict with the NT Convenant, since some teachings in the OT were for Israel only.
---Ramon on 9/22/07

Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

look at a woman/man -guilty of murder.
Covet - guilty of murder.
Who can save you from this body of sin and death?
---Andrea on 9/22/07

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While every genuine Christian holds that the Old Testament is scripture, doctrine is drawn only from the New Testament.

God deals with His creation in terms of covenants, and the church is under the New Covenant,not the Old Mosaic covenant God made only with the Hebrew nation.

Adventists try to put new wine into old wineskins and that is why their doctrinal beliefs are so leaky. Mt.9:17
---lee on 9/22/07

jerry,they do follow it whether they realize it or not.the new testament is a fullfilling of the old testament.they believe the creation story in genesis,and that israel is Gods chosen people,and all the prophecy about jesus within it, right? if they don,t then there no basis for their cant separate the two do so is wrong, and all the bible old and new is Gods word.
---tom2 on 9/22/07

The 10 Commandments are NOT the Laws of Moses. They're the Laws of Almighty GOD, Who ORDAINED and wrote them out. We are not saved by obeying the Law, as we're sinful in and of ourselves which makes it IMPOSSIBLE to follow the 10 Laws perfectly as GOD would have it. Through Jesus Christ (YAHUSHUA), we receive the Holy Spirit (RUACH ha KODESH/Mother SHKHINYAH) Who ENABLES us in time to obey the Laws of GOD. INCLUDING observing the 7th Day Sabbath which GOD ordained at CREATION. :-0
---Gordon on 9/22/07

mima or rather Lee, use your own name Lee..identify the law your talking about..its not the 10C and you know it..The Ceremonial Laws of ordinances and sacrifices that ended bcos Christ bcame the sacrificial Lamb of God. And not by the law of Ordinances n Sacrifices Gal 2:16..get it right Lee and you need to change your thinking to God's Truth, not the popes.
---jana on 9/22/07

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He spoke the world into existance.
---Andrea on 9/21/07

I am a SDA and I KNOW EGW was a false prophet, so there! Just read Rev.2:18-17 and you see what I mean. Prophecy was right on! The SDA church was NOT built around EGW! Ten virgin prophecy proves the SDA is now the Kingdom of Heaven and they are sleeping right now.
---Rich1 on 9/21/07

"""Remember what Jesus said about keeping the law, Galatians 2:16....
---Mima on 9/21/07 """
Mima, Paul said it, not Jesus!
However, in the parable of Lazarus, Jesus
stated, Luke 16:29: "Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them."
---Nana on 9/21/07

I am not aware of christians who deny the Old Testament. The entire contents of the old testement pophecies of Jesus'comming as the savior for mankind. Yes Jesus is God of the Old and New Testaments. He was in the beginning and always will be along with the Holy Spirit and the Father. That is God.
---jody_martinj on 9/21/07

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"BC we don't live under the law of Moses like you SDAs"

There's no such thing as "the law of Moses" so SDA's don't live under it.

One thing we get sick and tired of is listening outright lies being told about us.
---djconklin on 9/21/07

"Give it up all you Ellen White followers - follow Christ!"

We do follow Christ.
---djconklin on 9/21/07

"the OT is beautiful and demnostrates God's willingness to reconcile His people. the NT is about a better promise so christians focus on the Holy Spirit not on the written code."

The reason you don't like the written code is because it shows that by not living up to even what the mere letter of the law says it shows that you are definitely not following the spirit of the law: LOVE!
---djconklin on 9/21/07

Michael, the Prince of the Kingdom of Heaven, gave himself by haveing His Father AND Mother (Holy Spirit) place Him into Mary who bore Him as a human, so He truly was the FIRST begotten Son from God. (Dan. 9:25, 10:14 & 21, and 12:1 & Rev. 12:7)
---Rich on 9/21/07

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There are many instances of Jesus incarnate. One in particular as mentioned in the fiery furnace.

Jesus came to fulfill the law, Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets, I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
---denna7667 on 9/21/07

I'd say Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. And if you question Him ordering the military slaughters, to clear out rogue He cleared the temple is just a sample of how He can end a problem, instead of fighting it.'re Seventh Day Adventist? If you say not worshipping on Saturday is denying the Old Testament - - people may not be denying it, but denying how you represent an imperfect person who can be mistaken.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/21/07

There have been two covenants. The first covenant concerned The Old Testament. The second covenant is concerned with the New Testament. Remember what Jesus said about keeping the law, Galatians 2:16"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified" change your thinking.
---Mima on 9/21/07

BC we don't live under the law of Moses like you SDAs

the OT is beautiful and demnostrates God's willingness to reconcile His people. the NT is about a better promise so christians focus on the Holy Spirit not on the written code.

Give it up all you Ellen White followers - follow Christ!
---Andrea on 9/21/07

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I can't say I've ever met a Christian who denied the OT. But I've met many who deny the NT. Maybe because they refuse to accept God's plan of action in the Church age. They don't believe that change would happen when the Savior comes. Change, like in sacrifices, obvservances of holy days, worship, spiritual indewlling and giftings, and enslavement to the law and ordinances that were meant to be discontinued at the resurrection of Christ which fulfilled these things.
---john on 9/21/07

If you understand that, although GOD is ONE, as the Old Testament declares, GOD is also "mysteriously" Three-in-ONE, and was so for all of His Eternal Existence. So, YES, Jesus Christ (YAHUSHUA), as the Second Person of the Trinity (3-in-1 GOD), He did indeed exist in the Old Testament. I personally believe , for instance, that He was the One that was in the Fiery Furnace with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednigo protecting them.
---Gordon on 9/21/07

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