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Code Of Hammurabi

Anyone here familar with the connection between the Code of Hammurabi and the Mosaic Law?

I'd heard a theory that, prior to the Mosaic Law, Israelites and Gentiles both lived by Hammurabi's Code.

Can anyone shed light on the subject?

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.ag, yes, I recall reading about the so-called Hammurabi on a Christian website. The site stated that the stone itself was dated to the 1st millenium B.C. And the archaeologists themselves publicly stated a date later then Moses' time, because they unlearnedly supposed a later date of Moses then Moses' actual historical date. And by their own admission, they ignorantly confirmed their find to be dated after Moses' day and not before.
---Eloy on 10/24/07

.ag, FYI, to date the Holy Bible has not been disproved by any person, though millions have tried their best, and even some learned individuals that have determinedly set out to do so have come to the unquestionable conclusion that the Holy Bible is indeed the truth.
---Eloy on 10/24/07

.ag, the Laws given to Moses were firsthand from God to Moses. "And he gave to Moses...two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God." Exodus 31:18. As to your premise on the Law being complete, Please Read- Psalm 19:7-11+ 34:8+ 119:129-160, Isaiah 8:10,20, Jeremiah 14:14,15+ 23:21,22+ 29:31+ 30:2, Isaiah 55:6-11, Matthew 5:18, Matthew 7:15-20, John 8:47+ 10:3-11, I John 4:6, Galatians 1:8,9, Hebrews 4:12, II Peter 1:21.
---Eloy on 10/24/07

.ag, Moyer's article in focusmagazine, on Myth or History, says that the charge comparing Hammurabi to Moses is wrong, just as the same opposer wrongly compared other myths to the historical truth in the Bible. So the article does support my truth in that the article's position is the same as mine own postion, which also is the same position as God's word: for the truth of reality is always supreme over the fallacies of man. I encourage you to digest the Holy Bible, rather than uninspired works from man.
---Eloy on 10/24/07

The law of God predates ANY other laws - even the law of Moses. God placed His laws upon the hearts of men until the hearts of men grew cold and hard. This was when God decided to put his laws in writing.

For instance, the fourth commandment was issued thousands of years before the birth of Moses when God himself blessed the seventh day. So the fourth commandment is not part of the Mosaic Laws. The Mosaic laws were the vine that grew out of the ten commandments, out of God's laws.
---Steveng on 10/23/07

Here's the PREMISE I'd like to see discussed:

The Mosaic Law was given directly to Moses by God on purpose. And what was given assumed a full knowledge of existing law within Egypt (i.e. Hammurabi's code and other laws all predated Moses who was taught "Law" in Pharoah's court), so that, the new state of Israel under Moses would have a better and an awesome set of laws to operate under, so that, the Kingdom of God would be the Light Of The World.
---AG on 10/23/07

PREMISE continued...

Here's a challenge:
Can anyone point to scriptures that indicate the Law of Moses is a complete set of laws covering all situations formed from scratch?
---AG on 10/23/07

Thanks. Not sure the refereces helped your cause. I saw nothing in Focus Mag. WCG seems to contradict your claim that the Code did not precede the Mosaic law.
It even says, "research has shown that, in ancient times, there were codes of law...older than Hammurabi's"

The only thing remotely supporting you cause is when it says most scholars have abandoned the theory of Moses law being derived from the code.

You claimed the Code was fictious & of the 1st mill???
---AG on 10/23/07

strongaxe, Pontius and Pontiff are the same word, meaning "Roman overseer". The attached suffix means the same thing. Etymology: Pont < pons, meaning "bridge", -ius < -osus, -ous, meaning "to have, condition of": thus Pontius= One who bridges. And -iff < -fex, -facere, meaning "to make, made to": thus Pontiff= One who bridges. BTW any religion, not being Christian may be considered pagan idolatry and sin, of which popular one is the catholic religion.
---Eloy on 10/22/07

.observer, My historical quote which you have quoted I have indeed confirmed publically to quoting it 100% and I always will, and I never have denied my quote nor anything that I have previously stated, and therefore you are still speaking nonexistent and manufactured falsehood. And the reason you speak falsely is because there is no truth in you, but if you would get saved and become a part of my body then you would also be able to speak truth.
---Eloy on 10/22/07

`---StrongAxe on 10/20/07

Please do not confuse my quoting Eloy with my beliefs. he stated he did not write/believe that, and I provided proof that as to what he actually did.
---Observer on 10/22/07


It was the Romans who crucified Christians and fed them to lions in the arena during the first century AD. They were pagans, NOT Catholics. (The Roman Catholic religion did not exist until several hundred years later).

Pontiff is a title for a pope.
The judge who tried Jesus was Pontius Pilate (Pontius Pilatus in Latin), not Pontiff Pilate.
---StrongAxe on 10/20/07

ag, There are many websites and articles written on the dating of the stele stone. You can find information for it on the focusmagazine dot org. And there's an article for it at the wcg dot org, under literature, the Bible, and Did Moses steal the 10 commandments.
---Eloy on 10/20/07

ag, you can also find a list of sites related to this hammurabi tale at lycos dot com, and also on this site the stele stone is dated to circa. 1120 B.C.
---Eloy on 10/20/07

Eloy, so far no Christian or non-christian reference I can find supports your arguement. All the research I've seen states the Code was created between 2200-1750 BC.

So I'm giving this one last shot.

Can anyone else out there validate Eloy's claim that Hammurabi's Code is a piece of fiction that did NOT pre-date the Mosaic law?

---AG on 10/19/07

ag, Read Exodus more than man's ideas that oppose the Holy Scripture. Moses was born in 1605 B.C., and this is hundreds of years before the stone of Susa which is dated to the 1st millennium B.C. The Hebrew Scriptures have been tested and tried throughout the ages and have been found to be true. Countless archaeological digs and artifacts prove the historical accuracy of names and places recorded in the Bible. And every prophecy has come to pass so far, over 3,000 verses of fulfilled prophecies.
---Eloy on 10/19/07

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I done google searches and every site comes up the same date range for the Hammurabi Code, 2200 - 1750BC.
Can you cite even one reference to back up you 1st millenium claim?

Also I have not found anything to substantiate your claim that the Code is fiction or anything other than the commonly known and accepted law of the land prior to the Mosaic law.
---AG on 10/18/07

alan, I will help you to see the truth. Ask yourself, What is the most ornate and oppressive religion in Rome since the 1st century A.D.? And which religion is guilty of martyring the disciples and the saints of Christ? And what was Pilate? and what did Pilate's hand do, even though he washed his hands before having innocent Christ Jesus killed? And what are those whom are against Christ the Lord called, and the Christ-killers called? Hope this will help you to see the truth.
---Eloy on 10/18/07

Eloy ... How could Pilate have been a Roman Catholic?
He was Roman and bore a ruler's title. which perhaps was later used by Roman Catholic Popes.
So what? My name Alasn has been born by many evil people in the past. although I am a sinner, I am not guilty of their crimes.
And there were Johns in the Nazi heirarchy ... does that make present Johns guilty of the holocausr?
---alan_of_UK on 10/17/07

.observer, yes, I remember that posting clearly, for it is documented historical truth. So your point is?.....that perhaps pilate was not a member of the Roman antiChrist religion? or that he had no responsibility for having Christ killed? Please read the gospel in the Holy Bible, for it is very plain to understand, and pilate is presented in more than one witness account throughout the New Testament on exactly who the Roman Pontius=Pontiff Pilate was and exactly what he did to Christ.
---Eloy on 10/17/07

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...catholics were responsible for killing the Christians in history, in crucifying, torturing and burning them at the stake, feeding the live Christians to the lions in the arenas, etc. And they will always be remembered as such, even the roman Pontiff Pilate in the Bible, he had a role in killing our Lord. No, catholics are definitely not Christians.---Eloy on 2/25/06 Christianet/1113932055.htm
---Observer on 10/17/07

.ag, your public library may not have the information you are looking for, I just remember this from researching it before. You can do a search on the internet through a search engine of your choice, like google or some other, and I assure you that you will find that what I have posted here is a matter of documented history. I clearly recall that it was a french archaeological dig in Iran which documented their dated finds to the 1st millennium B.C.
---Eloy on 10/17/07

.observer, In the past what I provided was the Roman root for the word "Pontius" and "Pontiff" pilate, but you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 10/17/07

Thanks Observer.
---AG on 10/16/07

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Thanks for clarifying what "it" was.

Still you haven't offered one reference to back up your "1st millennium" claim.
---AG on 10/15/07



Save your writing. Remember that when you deal with Eloy, you are dealing with a person who believes that Pontius Pilot was the first pope.

Since he whatever believes, he believes is true, along with Ham, you are talking to a wall. He will NOT be confused by any true facts.

Others caught him in some preposterous stuff, and found his wrong resources but Eloy will NEVER admit error-- one of his charming attributes
---Observer on 10/15/07

.ag, I refer you to the true holy book called Exodus (ie: Exiting) recorded in the 2nd millennium B.C.
---Eloy on 10/15/07

Thanks for clearifying. I misunderstand what "it" you were referring to.

Still you haven't offered one reference to backup your "1st millenium" claim. Every timeline I've seen dates Hammurabi and his Code prior to Moses. And other than you claims, I've seen nothing that insinuates the code mere lore.
Where did you get your info?
---AG on 10/15/07

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.ag, you err. RE-Read what I wrote below. I reiterate: "IT" is dated to the 1st millennium B.C., that is the piece of black diorite, and not hammurabi.
---Eloy on 10/12/07

You've contradicted youself. You said, "hammurabi is lore made up by the traditions of people". Then later you told us that He existed in the 1st millennium B.C.

Which is it???

Also maybe not all public libraries contain the truth as you say, because every reference I found (from Yale & Washington State University, ect.) date Hammurabi's Code between 1800 - 1750 BC.

Can you cite other references supporting your claims?
---AG on 10/12/07

.ag, It is not theory, but fact. You can research the truth a public library. The Hammurabi code is a piece of uninspired lore. The Hammurabi code comes from writing on a piece of black diorite that Jacques de Morgans archaeologists dug up in 1901-1902 A.D. in the site of Susa in Iran. It is dated to the 1st millennium B.C., which is hundreds of years after Moses, for Moses was born in 1605 B.C.
---Eloy on 10/11/07

[1] Hammurabi's laws do not deal with religious affairs. [2] Penalties varied according to the classes of the offender. Three classes were recognized, Freedman, state dependent, and slave. [3] The immense value of property in Hammurabi's [and other] law collections is contrasted with the immense value placed on human life in the Mosic laws. Only in biblical law was a clear distinction drawn between property and human life. [4] Biblical law included laws of the absolute [apodictic] form. More
---catherine on 10/11/07

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Thanks for the scriptures.
I agree we have a God-given conscience.

Hammurabi's Code has several strong similarities w/ OT law. But the law had not been written on man's heart, so I don't believe Hammurabi's conscience was God inspired.
I speculate that God instructed Adam how to live righteously. These instructions where then passed down thru the generations.

Therefore Hammurabi's work is not original or a work of conscience, but a version of an existing set of oral law.
---AG on 10/10/07

AG -Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse:

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

I see this as speaking of a man's conscience.
Do you think mankind does not have a conscience????
---Andrea on 10/10/07

Please expound on the impilcations of God's conscience being given to all men.
Do you have some scripture references?

---AG on 10/10/07

God has given all men a conscience - the fact that other cultures developed similar legal systems testifies to that
---Andrea on 10/10/07

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What are your theories founded on?
Please refer us to some evidence that Hammurabi was a fictious charcter.

---AG on 10/10/07

.jack, hammurabi is lore made up by the traditions of people, and has zero to do with truth.
---Eloy on 10/10/07

Eloy: Most historians and social studies teachers teach that Hammurabi was an emperor in Mesopotamia before Moses came around. Please show me the references for your statement that he is fictitious. I just taught about him today in my Social Studies classes.
---Trish9863 on 10/10/07

I have never heard of this but it is interesting that man is born with a sin nature but seems to be aware of a need to control it. So therefore over time there has always been some type of Law to enforce good behavior and to protect people from one another. At least this is the way I perceive it. I would be interested to know if this code paralleled the 10 commandments or laws of the land.
---splaa6685 on 10/10/07

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**Hammurabi is just another nonBiblical and fictitious character used to divert people away from the truth.**

Where on earth did you get the idea that Hammurabi was fictitious? Because he's not mentioned in the Bible?

Neither is George Washington.

So what?
---Jack on 10/10/07

Myths have nothing in common with real history. Moses was real, but Hammurabi is just another nonBiblical and fictitious character used to divert people away from the truth.
---Eloy on 10/10/07

Hammurabi was the emperor of Mesopotamia from 1792 to 1750 B.C. He is reported to receive his 282 laws from the god Shamash. It was the law of the land then.

Do the math and figure out where Moses fits into this time frame.
---Trish9863 on 10/9/07

Though I was told about the existence of the Code of Hammurabi back in 6th grade history, I will admit I've not read it, and I'm not sure if a translation into English exists.

Even if it has some parallels with the Mosaic law, so what?

It's not as if Moses and the Hebrews functioned in a vacuum, is it?
---Jack on 10/9/07

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Hey, are you? Not knowing anything about the Hammurabi Code...the Mosaic Law is clearly indicated to be the law that God Himself gave to the Jews...the perfect law for human government. So, I consider there could be laws Jews and Gentiles went by before Moses' Law. But the Jews upon leaving Egypt were not egg-zactly going along with how the Egyptians or other Gentiles were doing things (o: And before that, they were a slave nation within a nation.
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/9/07

back from the Internet on this understanding > King Hammurabi ruled in Babylon (in Iraq), where he had it inscribed on a stone for all to read in Babylon. This code is the first well preserved code of mankind, but traces of other earlier codes have been found. Hammurabi's sounds local to Babylon. And certain similarities to Moses' Law could be coincidental, and not mean Moses drew from Hammurabi's. Jews were to be separate from Gentiles.
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/9/07

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