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Pastor Has Bad Habits

What would you do if your pastor had awesome sermons, who seemed to be full of the Holy Spirit, people really loved him, but he produced bad fruit of the spirit, who talks about other people, and who you don't trust completely? Do you pray that he changes his ways or what? Leave that church?

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 ---Angela on 10/12/07
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You do have choices. You should try to do the most godly and righ thing first and that is: to pray for him. He has issues and sins he is dealing with just as we do. Christians are not perfect. When are people going to learn this? This is a hard question to answer really. Or if things don't improve over a period of time,after praying,then just leave. Find another church but I am afraid something as bad or worse, is going to be happening there,too. There are no perfect churches or people(christians). Do what I did. Just pray and ask the Lord to keep you as faithful, as possible. Learn to pray for my church. I got tired of church hopping. I do what I am led to do then I am out the door.
---Robyn on 10/8/09

It may help to realize that the "pastor" is fulfilling a traditional role which cannot rightly be filled by a person. There is no Biblical basis for a "senior pastor." Therefore that role is somewhat like the story of the Emperor with no clothes. Everyone pretends that the "pastor" is a "pastor," so the pastor pretends to be a pastor, and all the people pretend. Then there are many who are fearful of telling others that it doesn't make sense, but it is easier keep up the pretense of the role of the pastor.
The "pastor" fills a role that Jesus Christ rightly fills. There is one mediator between God and man Jesus Christ. A pastor doesn't fit that postition, although people tend to think he does.
---Rod4Him on 10/5/09

Of course, pray for him! He sounds like another fallible human being!
---Donna66 on 10/4/09

There is a war between spirit and flesh! We must always be on guard for Satan and his evil ways! Pray that the pastor changes his ways but don't let his fruit corrupt your fruit! Deep prayer!! Stay in the Word!! Keep in contact with believers!! Leave the church if your walk with the Lord is affected!
---Tim on 10/4/09

I just experienced that a few years back. I knew something was wrong. One day the Holy Spirit exposed the corruptness that was in the pastor. I was so in love with having a place to worship that I overlooked the facts. However, God let me know that I was to leave that Church. I did not talk about the pastor. He knew that I knew he was doing somethings. Other members were mad at us for leaving. Then a 1 & 1/2yrs, the pastor was caught cheating, stealing, buying houses for his sons with church funds.
---Nechelle on 9/30/09

Angela,awesome question, a Pastor should mirror what is preached through him by the Holy Spirit. His life should line up with the word of God. Now I know that Pastors are not perfect, none of us are, YET. Have you tried talking to him about this? This is just my opinion but if it was me, I would first PRAY to the Lord, next talk to your family then focus on what God would have you to do. Your Pastor could be hurting the body of Christ which in itself does not bring glory to God. God Bless!
---Cynthia on 10/12/08

The Bible can be no clearer "you will know them by their fruits". If his fruits are bad then he is not of God. There are many false teachers,prophets and pastors out there right now so do not be astonished. Just leave there and find someone with GOOD FRUITS. Never support a ministry with bad fruits. Trust Gods word."you will know them by their fruits":)
---jody on 11/1/07

rebecca - is that what christians do? thinking that they are always sinless, holy? they use the bible whenever it suits them in order to CYA.
---kai on 11/1/07

The thing is, before you correct someone, make sure that you are correct. Make sure that you are hearing from God. For that one, you need to be walking close to God yourself. Also, make the correction short and sweet. Now, check and make sure that what is behind the pulpit is a man of God or is he a man of the Devil. If he is of the Devil, KICK HIM OUT OF THE CHURCH. No Corrections needed.
---catherine on 11/1/07

A church cannot operate without support. If we continue to tithe to churches that are clearly not preaching the truth in love then we enable them to continue. It is time to send the Pharisees a message that they WILL hear. Otherwise they twist the Word to justify themselves, regardless of the Truth.
---Aggie on 10/31/07

this message is to Rebecca - Even if you tell a pastor his fault, he will use the verse 'ye not judge'. so these pastors are like the pharisees-they are insulted bec of arrogance & pride. they think they are perfect that is why they too are defending themSELVES! they too have an I problem-the middle of SIN is I!
---kai on 10/31/07

Some years ago there was a young pastor that would take members and offer them counciling and then in his sermon he would bring up these people and their failings and lambast them before all.

On the other hand Christ commanded that shepherds must defend their flocks from wolves within and wolves without Paul speaks of this in Acts and names names.

strongly consider this and reflect.
---Richard on 10/16/07

A church will probably not go farther then it's pastor so if this is what he is about, even if he doesn't know it - it is what he is teaching his congregation.
I can only imagine that the devil could give an awesome sermon.
We are not fruit inspectors and pastors are not perfect so if you've already been praying about it - find someone more mature and keep this man in your prayers.
---Andrea on 10/15/07

After leaving the army in the early 80s, my wife and I attended a large Assembly of God church. The pastor gave wonderful sermons and seemed to be a man of God. One Sunday, he stood before the congregation and said "We should PRAY that God would KILL anyone who does not support Israel." I was told by others in the church that "he says things like that all the time.. don't worry about it." I could never reconcile what I beleive to what he said and we ended up leaving that church.
---NurseRobert on 10/15/07

Pt 2. After leaving that church, we started attending a smaller AOG church. At the time, the church was calling a new pastor. The one they hired destroyed the church. He was critical of the members, demanded undying loyality, messed with the finances.. yes, we ended up leaving that one too.
---NurseRobert on 10/15/07

People mistake charisma with being filled with the Holy Spirit.
Being Spirit filled is speaking truth whether that makes you popular or not. (It usually doesn't)
As Jesus warned... by their fruits you shall know them.
---robin8683 on 10/14/07

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First of all we all have bad habits we are not without faults. Remember he also Flesh too. Just because he is a pastor does not mean he does not falter ok.That is Why Jesus is Lord we are men. It takes daily living and studying of God's word.
James 5:16 CONFESS your FAULTS one to another, and PRAY for another, that ye may be HEALED. The effectual FERVENT PRAYER of a RIGHTEOUS MAN availeth much.
---doug7835 on 10/13/07

If someone doesn't tell this Pastor about his faults, how will he know? If we see our brother (fellow christian) doing wrong, it is our job to go to them and let them know. After that if they still chose to do wrong, that is between them and God. But if you chose to do nothing, your just at fault.
---Rebecca_D on 10/13/07

I would leave. Also, just because a preacher preaches good surmons and appears to be filled with the Person of the Holy Spirit doesn't mean that he is. Just because everyone loves him, well that kinda causes one to wonder if he is indeed pleasing God. God never means for His people to look for trouble or on purpose make enemies, but it is impossible to please God and man. Who are you going to serve?
---catherine on 10/12/07

Here you go, Angela.

Matthew 7

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
---Matthew_from_LA on 10/12/07

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1tim 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach,
1tim 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre, but patient, not a brawler, not covetous,
1tim 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity,

Note Paul says Bishops (Elders, Preachers, Ministers, etc.) should be sober (serious) and of good behavior.
---trey on 10/12/07

Angela, (continued)

It doesn't sound like he is doing what he should be doing.

If it is minor, I would stay, if it is major I would go.

Your other option is to speak him yourself. If you decide to do this take witnesses (1 Tim :19). If he still won't listen, I would take it before the church. (The church I go to the congregation could vote him out and send him packing.)
---trey on 10/12/07

Your main concern seems to be that he talks about other people. In that case he needs to be challenged about this. It could be that he is breaking confidences. It should be pointed out to him, face to face, that this is wrong. Leaving the church, in the first instance, will not rectify anything and he should be given a chance to change his ways first. None of us are perfect.
---RitaH on 10/12/07

I would probably leave that church. If he is so immature spiritually and mentally he should not be preaching and leading others.He needs to be led. I would not to sit under his teachings and leadership. He might target me next with something I have opened up and shared with him. I don't agree with this type behaviour. When a leader/pastor is corrupt the whole church is headed down a path of doom.
---Robyn on 10/12/07

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