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The Second Coming Of Christ

"The Second coming, will occur in two stages: The stage to rescue His saints,( a secret rapture) the Church, and a public second stage when He will come with His saints -those previously raptured-, this time to judge the world. Is this teaching Biblically sound?"

Moderator - That is the most popular doctrine, however I doubt if it is biblical correct.

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Let me see. There will be an encounter with the forces of evil. The evil people will be taken out and the meek will inherit the earth. They will reign with Jesus for 1,000 years. Satan will be released (tribulation ). Then the saints who remain faithful will be taken up as in 1Thessolonians4.17 Does everyone agree?
---frances008 on 5/21/08

The second coming does have three stages.
The first stage is the prophecy of the two witnesses which took place from 1984 to 1988. The second stage took place from May 2004 and is now ending. Finally the final judgment takes place when the Son of man is rejected by natural man, imminent.
---duke on 12/15/07

What really matters is that a person is ready at all times, whether they believe in pre-tribulation rapture or mid-trib, or post-trib....the real question is, are you ready to go at any moment? As far as all of the rapture, 2nd coming arguments, etc...there is a great old book that is chalk full of scripture and I urge you to check it out, no matter which of the above you believe in. "Prevision of History" by Elizabeth Williams.
---danna9955 on 11/27/07

If you shout ANYTHING loud enough and long enough, people will believe it, whether it's true or not. To which rapture are you referring? The left-behind theory one or the remnant-theology one?
---Sam_Lawson on 11/26/07

[caught up] Greek: harpazo,to carry off, grasp hastily,snatch up,to seize and overpower,to plunder.From this we get our word rapture,meaning the act of transporting,as harpazo is used in Matthew 13:19, Acts 8:39, 2 Cor. 12:2,4, 1 Thes. 4:17, Rev. 12:5. There are planty of verses that support the Rapture.The Bible is in harmony with this teaching.However,this is not to cause division or arguments,but merely an in-house-debate.Salvation of the lost is and should remain our focus.
---Tommy on 11/26/07

Those who don't believe in the rapture please explain 1Thess 4:17 ---Pastor_Herb on 11/24/07

It tells about the CHRONOLOGY of events surrounding the coming of Jesus. It does not "prove a PTR" People wrongly infer it, and believe it because they were taught Darbyism as if it were inerrant Scripture.

Dispensationalism is merely a theology, just like Arminianism, etc.

You MAY be correct, but you can not use 1Thes4:17 to prove it.
---John_T on 11/26/07

The word "rapture" appears nowhere in the bible, but the literal meaning of "rapture" is "catching up", which does appear in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, so amen Pastor Herb.
---danna9955 on 11/25/07


I agree with your statements that posted.

When believers disagree with each other concerning the word,one or perhaps both are wrong but the word is ALLWAYS RIGHT.
---LIONEL on 11/25/07


I agree with your statements that posted.

When believers disagree with each other concerning the word,one or perhaps both are wrong but the word is ALLWAYS RIGHT.
---LIONEL on 11/25/07

"Those who don't believe in the rapture please explain 1Thess 4:17"
The words 'caught up' refers to our being preferred and taken supernaturally. By the word of God we are literally plucked from our corruptible bodies and clothed in an instant with our incorruptible ones. Then along with the risen dead, who were likewise clothed, we will meet or encounter the Lord in that breath of life body, to stand with him as the eternal essence of His Spirit and glory encompasses us. Cont.
---joseph on 11/25/07

"And so shall we 'ever' (defined always, evermore) be with the Lord".Thus we can be certain that 'the air' does not mean the sky. Do not be thrown by the word 'clouds', this refers to the vast number of angels that will accompany Jesus during His return. Documented in (2 Thes. 1:7,10). The word was used in the same manner in (Heb. 12:1) when referring to the witnesses of the faith. Man was created for dominion on earth, we will not be removed from it.
---joseph on 11/25/07

What about 1Thess 4 verses 13,14,15 and 16?
All those verses MUST be taken in context WITH verse 17.
What is Paul speaking about?

Because the thessilonians worried about those who died BEFORE the Second Coming of Christ...they wanted to know what would happen to THEM.(the dead in Christ)....

There is nothing here to indicate that Paul was NOT referring to the Second Coming of Truth, when read in context, the Word biblically DISproves a pre-trib rapture...
---Anne_P on 11/25/07

First the dead in Christ shall rise first then the Christians left remaining will meet in the air. It can't be a secret if two people are in a field and one disappears and one stays. From my understanding the rapture or caught up takes place in 1 Thess 4:13-18, 1 Cor 15:50-54 and the second coming takes place in Revelation 19:11-16. Those who go to be with the Lord will not see God pour out his wrath upon the earth. Because according in 1 Thess sinners and backsliders will only be on earth.
---Rebecca_D on 11/25/07

Those who don't believe in the rapture please explain 1Thess 4:17
---Pastor_Herb on 11/24/07

Mima, I agree with your whole statement as it is written.Problem lies with trinitarians who say that the Holy Spirit and the Father are all the same,just Jesus in different forms in which case the H.S. would be Jesus here there and everywhere. I just assumed that you were also a trinitarian.
---1st_cliff on 11/22/07

There is NO such thing as TWO returns by Christ! The Rapture is not a return of Christ but rather a removal of his people from the Hour of Tribulation. His (Jesus) second coming will be when he returns to destroy the Antichrist during Armaggedon.
---DePuTy on 11/16/07

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This "view" of the Lord's second coming IS NOT/Biblical.
The Bible never speaks of a "secret rapture"Instead the Bible tells us that "every eye shall see Him" as He comes with his angels to reward each one of us according to the life we have chosen to live. P.
---Pierre on 11/16/07

To---1st_cliff --- The difference in Jesus being here and everywhere right now and the second coming is-- when he went to heaven he sent the comforter back the comforter is the Holy Spirit!! And the Holy Spirit is everywhere right now. The physical human body of Jesus is on the right hand of the Father in heaven and awaits the word from his father to come get the church known(and probably not believed by you) as the rapture. This rapture forms the first of two events that make up the second coming.
---Mima on 11/16/07

Good post, Jody. We need to spend time with Jesus... studying His life, His word, praying... Asking for His robe of righteousness, for faith that withstands all tests and for spiritual discerment to know God's will in face of all the deceptions Satan has perpetrated. We need to have an attitude of repentance and a spirit ready to obey when His will is revealed.
---robin8683 on 11/6/07

Mima,You posed a similar question before ,which I responded to and you never answered (probably won't answer this either) You believe Jesus is God and omnipresent (in your car,your home,church-everywhwere) What is a 2nd coming if He never left?
---1st_cliff on 11/5/07

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I don't know why we have to pigeon hole the second comming of christ. Why can't we just read what he says and do what he says and hope to make it through? I have heard all sorts of things like there are four phases to the end times or there are bla bla bla. Bilbe says to be ready. There will be great tribulation that has never been encountered. A mark of the beast to reject by Christians. Be ready to die for your beleifs. Be ready
---jody on 11/5/07

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