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As Yahshua said in Luke 6:28 Bless those who curse you, pray for those who ill treat you.

Linda I pray for you, I pray to Yahweh in the name of Yahshua that he will open your eyes and heart and to come to knowledge of who they are, and also to put Love and Joy in to your heart.Bless you Linda in the NAME OF Yashua, God's only begotten Son.
---CiNdy92714 on 12/19/07

It is not my purpose to take anything from the Father or the Son, but to make you aware of the danger of false doctrine. What you think concerning God and his Son. The sin that came on the whole of mankind,was because of the redefineing of the word that God told Adam. God said you may eat of every tree, then again said but the tree in the midst of the garden do not eat.
He said every tree, that was God's word,it can't be broken, yes it can, God can make amendments to his on word, he is God.
---exzucuh on 12/19/07

God by his word to Moses and the Children of Israel established the first covenant and Priesthood then changed it through his Son and made a new testament and new priesthood and salvation is forsaking of the old way to the new and believing on the covenant God made with Jesus for your salvation. It is those who put their hands to the plow looking back that are not fit for God's kingdom.
---exzucuh on 12/19/07

You cannot have the old covenant and the new. These two materials are not to be mixed as was in this typology Deuteronomy 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.
Consider what God has said concerning Jesus and what Jesus has said, not men's revelation of who Jesus is, We are preaching salvation and it alone is by your belief that Jesus is the Son of God. It is not if Jesus is who men say he is. It is by revelation from the Father the same one Peter got.
---exzucuh on 12/19/07

RR,C92714 - you are garbling your words.

You can't practice witchcraft and be God's prophetess, too. It doesn't work that way.
Light and darkness do not mix. No such thing as white or black magic, it's all witchcraft.
---lovable_linda on 12/19/07

Father, Son, Holy Spirit

Jesus Christ is the Baptizer of The Holy Spirit

Without Jesus Christ, there is no way that you could be a prophetess of God.
God would not be using you as an OT prophet because Jesus Christ fulfilled all prophecy on the Cross.
We are under the New Covenant and if you reject Jesus, you are not a prophetess.
---lovable_linda on 12/19/07

I say this in love, that you cannot prophesy out of your own spirit by the Holy Spirit by practicing witchcraft. You will have to rely on prophecies of Christians that you admire.
Until you repent for the witchcraft/paganism - you will prophesy out of a spirit of divination, but it will not be the Holy Spirit.
Light and darkness do not mix.
I don't need to research other prophets on the net and get a word, RR. I can get a Word from the Word and I can hear from the Holy Spirit myself.
---lovable_linda on 12/19/07

Light and darkness do not mix.

You SAID IT LINDA. Light and darkness DO NOT MIX.

Yahweh is TRUE AND holy no sin CAN BE FOUND IN HIM. he can't CONTRADICT HIS WORD.

the bible is clear YAHSHUA, the Son of God was MADE SIN, FOR the etonement of sin.

He(GOD) MADE Him(Yahshua) who KNEW NO sin TO BE SIN on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.(2cor.5:21)
---CiNdY92714 on 12/19/07

U see this contradicts the trinity and that Yashua is God CONTRADICTS Yahweh. Yahweh said "I DO NOT CHANGE" he did not MADE himself become sin, for this will contradict his HOLINESS. On the other hand his HUMBLE submissive SON Yahshua who knew no sin, WAS MADE SIN. BC GOD SACRIFECED HIS ONLY Son, for the world. I pray that U will realized Yeshua is Truly God's son, AND he is our Lord and Saviour, AND Yahweh HIS God,He is the ONLY God we should worship as our Father and Creator.
---cInDY92714 on 12/19/07

Nicolet Jesus did call himself the Son of God

John 9:35-37 Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and when he had found him, he said unto him, Do you believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, You have both seen him, and it is he that talks with you.

And he proved to the Devil he was the Son of God when the devil tempted him
---exzucuh on 12/19/07

You're right Carla,

For some reason people feel they have to magnify the Savior into the position of the Almighty when, in fact, scripture makes it quite clear that the Father is greatest of all and the "head of Messiah" (1 Cor.11:3). Consider Yahshua's own words in Jn. 14:28, "..for my Father is GREATER THAN I.", Jn.10:29, "My Father, WHICH GAVE THEM ME, IS GREATER THAN ALL...", CONTINUE
---CiNdY92714 on 12/19/07

2)AND Jn. 13:16, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant [Yahshua] IS NOT greater THAN HIS LORD [Yahweh], neither he that is sent [Yahshua] greater than he that sent him [Yahweh]."

These verses teach us Yahshua's view of his relationship to his Father. Notice he didn't claim to be the Father but instead, made a clear distinction between the two.
---cInDy92714 on 12/19/07

Rachel Reiter, the way you're interpreting the Word, you can't use God's Word for witchcraft. It's not possible.
Light and darkness do not mix.
---lovable_linda on 12/19/07

Rachel Reiter, if you are an authentic prophetess of God, you could give us prophecy from the Holy Spirit directly.
You would not need to rely on another's prophetic gift for your prophecies.

Anyone can take a look at celebrities and make an educated guess, that's not prophecy.
---lovable_linda on 12/19/07

2)(THE PEOPLE) saying, Let us break THEIR bands asunder, and cast away THEIR CORDS FROM US.

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: YAHWEH shall have them in derision.
Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

YAHWEH SAID: Yet I HAVE SET MY KING(yAHSUA) upon MY(GOD'S) holy hill of Zion.
---cInDy92714 on 12/19/07

3) I will DECLARE the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou ART MY SON , THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN THEE.

Ask of me, and I shall give the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron, thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

This was one of the many prophecies that all of us(chruch) are waiting to be fulfilled.
---cInDy92714 on 12/19/07

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5)When Yahshua appeared to his cousin John, this is what John called him.

Jn 1:29 Behold the Lamb of Elohim, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Is it any wonder why Yahshua said in Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist.

he prophesied that Yahshua was not only to be the 1 who would dash the nations 2 pieces but he ALSO be the 1 who would "taketh away the sins by becoming the Lamb of Elohim.
---cInDy92714 on 12/19/07

Jesus makes no bones that hIS equal TO God never did he make refference that he is his father, how then are we suppose to beleive the trintiy concept. Some what confusing especially in the definition that some churches preach this concept. Now what does this concept define, one head three legs? bodies, persons, but one God? most churches push what ever comes to their understanding. YET The bible howerver is ClEAR churches make the complication!
---Carla5754 on 12/19/07

1)Here is one of the many prophecies that ARE yet to be FULFILLED by Yahweh and Yahshua.

Psalms 2:1-9 Why do the heathen rage, and THE PEOPLE IMAGINE A VAIN THING?

The kings of the earth themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, AGAINST YAHWEH,

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---CiNdY92714 on 12/19/07

Nicolette: I do think that John has a few verses that are supportive of the "trinity" concept, but he also has many others that aren't. In addition, there is the majority of Matt.,Mark and Luke. If someone opposes the trinitarian concept they would point out the "with" usage in John 1:1-2. Can you be "with" yourself? Also, Christ did refer to himself once as the Son of God (see John 10:36), though I admit the context is different than expected.
---stephen on 12/19/07

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"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. He was in the beginning with God." John 1:1 NKJ

Ok, so let's determine who or what the word 'Word' is in reference to.

Another thing, has anyone ever noticed how Jesus NEVER referred to Himself as the Son of God? Not once. He only ever referred to Himself as the son of man.

---Nicolette on 12/19/07

The Roman 'Trinity' is a pagan concept, its roots are in greek hellenstic philosophy and gnostic theology. The Roman Councils-Bishops who codified it were under political pressure from Constantine to settle docternal differences. As offical orthodox dogma-its a political construct having little to do with the Bible. This is all history 101
---MikeM on 12/18/07

4) God requires the shedding of blood 4the remission of sin, God did not die for he is BEYOND his creation, he is BEYOND WATER AND BLOOD, HE IS NEVER CHANGING, HE IS A SPIRIT. Therefore God who is beyond our comprehension, from the foundation of the world HAD A PLANNED,2 beget a child born of flesh and blood 2 BECOME the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world. Now it is all up to U. .Who do U say that Yahshua is?

Peter answered it perfectly "He is Christ the SON OF GOD"!
---CiNdY92714 on 12/18/07

I realized from the very start that logical arguments will not and cannot reveal to YOU who Yahshua is. God forbid that a formula (just hypothetical) would be found that proves a hundred percent the existence of God and the Deity of Jesus. For if that happened salvation would seize, because hundred percent knowledge does not require any FAITH, and without faith there can be no salvation. Continue..
---CiNdY92714 on 12/18/07

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2)To make it clear only the Holy Spirit can reveal Yahshua to an individual. My purpose was not to reveal Yahshua to you, because that is beyond any mans capabilities, but rather 2 challenge your mind and soul, and stir the spirit that is in U, so as to be receptive and accept the invitation by the Holy Spirit to reveal to you who Yahshua is.

I tried to show the best I know how that mankind cannot claim Yahshua as God for God can never become sin for the is no place IN THE LIGHT for darkness.
---CiNdY92714 on 12/18/07

3)Yahshua came 2this sinful human race, mankind did not recognize Him bc He was not of this world. Only Yahweh can claim Him because He BEGOTTEN Him. Yahshua did the works of His Father.

God so loved the world that HE sacrificed his ONLY SON, like Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac 2 God, maybe ONLY Abraham could bare witness of the the pain God went through Giving up his son for the world and just like Isaac, Jesus willfully chose 2shed His blood for his Father FOR THE ATONEMENT OF SIN
---cInDy92714 on 12/18/07

3)Yahshua came 2this sinful human race, mankind did not recognize Him bc He was not of this world. Only Yahweh can claim Him because He BEGOTTEN Him. Yahshua did the works of His Father.

God so loved the world that HE sacrificed his ONLY SON, like Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac 2 God, maybe ONLY Abraham could bare witness of the the pain God went through Giving up his son for the world and just like Isaac, Jesus willfully chose 2shed His blood for his Father FOR THE ATONEMENT OF SIN
---cInDy92714 on 12/18/07

Cindy, you do write in encryptive code.

Are you a Jewess that does not believe Jesus Christ is God?
It would be helpful if we truthfully knew where you were coming from.
---lovable_linda on 12/18/07

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1)Stephen, I'm glad to hear you believe Yahshua is God's son, and that I am not speaking in codes, maybe only to those who can't understand this. The FACT REMAIN IS Yahshua is God's son even IN his name YAHSHUA points to God.

Yahshua's Name which means "Yah-Saves" tells what Yahweh will do through Yahshua, which is to save the world from their sins, through Yahshua's blood.
---CiNdY92714 on 12/18/07

2)Yahshua said He comes in His Father's Name YAH, it means He comes in the AUTHORITY OF Yahweh, "literally" (in fact) bears His Father's Name. The original language of Yahweh's people and the Hebrew Name for our Saviour is Yahshua, but being translated from Hebrew to greek-latin to english we end up with what we have the world calling him today Jesus, which stems from the greek- latin word iesous which is a greek god zeus. "But surely" it does not CAPTURE the MEANING of his name.
---cInDy92714 on 12/18/07

3)Like JeremiYAH , his name means YAHWEH LIFTS UP.

EmmanuEL is God (El) with us.

The special connection to the name Yahweh
Elohim and the meaning in them such as SamuEL, EmmanuEL,IsraEL, EzekiEL, BethEL, DaniEL,ZephiniaYAH, ZechariYAH, Micah (MicaYAH)

WHICH MEANS : Who Is Like God , ObadiYAH, IsaiYAH, and NehemiYAH and many more. Their names contain the sacred name or title and explains something about the person. They ALL represented God!
---CiNdY92714 on 12/18/07

I'm not having a hard time understanding Cindy. I don't see any "codes". All I saw was biblical quotes and some reasonably clear presentation of possible interpretations. I too have long felt that the trinity concept is quite disputable, given that Christ himself seemed to teach the opposite quite consistently in Matt, Mark, and Luke. And, even John (which is so often quoted to support the trinity) is ambiguous, contridictory or at least confusing.
---stephen on 12/18/07

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Romans 8:32

He < (Who is he?) > Who spared not >his< (who is His< Own Son but delivered >HIM< (NOT Himself)> up for us all how shall >he< (who is he) not with (Who?) >HIM< (who is him) also freely give us all things.

Jesus is the son of God!

YEHWEH/YESHUAH Names are very much alike but totally different means and totally different people for distinction only, but complete not purpose.
---Carla5754 on 12/17/07

1)AMEN Michael!

The Son tells us IN Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that HE GAVE HIS ONLY begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17: For God SENT HIS SON into the world NOT to condemn the world, BUT THAT THE WORLD THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED.
18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath NOT believed IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God.
---CiNdY92714 on 12/17/07

Cindy, are you a Jewess that rejects that Jesus Christ is God?
Jesus Christ was in the beginning.
He's always been there, He created the Universe.
Jesus Christ is the baptizer of The Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ is not The Father or The Holy Spirit.

Are you a Jewess, Cindy?
---lovable_linda on 12/17/07

2)John SAID HE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE in God's son, Jesus, that HE WAS SENT by that ONE true God, is condemned.

My savior is Lord Christ Jesus, and MY GOD IS HIS GOD, MY fATHER IS HIS FATHER only because God FIRST SACRIFICED HIS beloved Son, THAT THROUGH his suffering and death we might be saved.

In the Bible we are given a brief glimpse of PEOPLE WHO REALIZED Jesus was the son of God, and they all confess this statement TRULY THIS WAS THE SON OF GOD.Mark 15:39
---cInDy92714 on 12/17/07

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I'm a christian and I don't believe in the trinity. Nor is it a scriptural requirement for salvation to believe in the trinity. I believe what the Word of God states and that is that Jesus is the Son of God.
---Michael on 12/17/07

Linda I believe with all my heart Yeshua is the CHRIST THE ANNOITED ONE OF GOD. No I DO NOT BELIEVE HE IS God, for he clearly said God was his Father. You're actually the one who is not really listening to GOD and Yeshua. Jesus throughout the bible represented God, even God himself with his own voice said FROM heaven SAYING: THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I AM WELL PLEASED.

You see you can't understand this because you hold on to man made doctrine OF TRINITY.
---cInDy92714 on 12/17/07

Cindy92714, you need to cease using the encryptions and garbled words if you want others to respond to you.

Are you a Jewess that does not believe that Jesus Christ is God?
---lovable_linda on 12/17/07

1)LINDA do U really know what Christ means by "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." Do U know that Jesus is not claiming to be God, but claims he is ONE with God. BUT HE ALSO DESIRES US 2B ONE WITH THEM.
Jn 17:20-22 "That the ALL may be MADE ONE. Like thou Father art IN ME, I in you, that they may be ONE IN US.

Marriage, where a man and woman become ONE FLESH, is a picture of how God and Yeshua ARE ONE. Understood CORRECTLY, it also explains how WE BELIEVERS BECOME ONE with THEM.
---CiNdY92714 on 12/17/07

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Are you SDA Cindy92714?

Many of your writings are encryptions in whispering caves with doctrinal codes, what have you, but your interpretation of the Holy Spirit is incorrect.
---lovable_linda on 12/17/07


How can you say that the Holy Spirit is the tool that God uses and yet claim the HS as another God? You can't have it both wayS. The Holy Spirit is GOD'S SPIRIT, it is not another God seperate from HIMSELF. U are double talking. There is no trinity for there is only ONE God, and that GOD HAS A SON, they ARE ONE, BECAUSE OF GOD'S SPIRIT, NOT THAT Jesus is God in the flesh. HE IS one with GOD in HAVING THE SAME GOAL, TO SAVE MAN KIND! There is 2 distinct beings, BUT ARE ONE bc of GOD'S SPIRIT!
---CiNdY92714 on 12/17/07

Did the SDA Pioneers Believe in the doctrine of the Trinity? No.
The founders of the SDA Church were Arians. They did believe in the agency of the Holy Spirit, but they did not believe that the Holy Spirit was the third member of the Trinity.
---lovable_linda on 12/16/07

Modern day Seventh-day Adventists will tell you that they believe in the Trinity, though many of the pioneers of the Adventist church did not. James White (husband of their prophetess Ellen G. White) and Uriah Smith, author of Bible Readings For The Home, Daniel and The Revelation, books Adventist still circulate today, both shared the same beliefs. They did not believe that Jesus was God.

---lovable_linda on 12/16/07

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What is the simple Gospel?
The Father sent his Son
He was born of the incorruptable seed the word of God.
The Spirit overshadowed the Virgin Mary and she conceived The incorruptible seed the word of God was made flesh and a Son was born. And whosoever believes that he is the Son of God and obeys his commandment to Repent be baptized in his name for the remission of sins God will give that person his Holy Spirit to empower him to endure to the end that they might be saved.
---exzucuh on 12/15/07

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Jesus very plainly confesses that he is not the Father and the Father is his God.
---exzucuh on 12/15/07

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

God and his Son are one in heaven and are the temple they are in such union with each other
that John saw them as one but described them
as two seperate beings.
1 John 2:22 ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.2 John 1:9 He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
---exzucuh on 12/15/07

Genesis 14:18 Melchizedek king of Salem he was the priest of the most high Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life, but made like unto the Son of God, abideth a priest continually.
Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
---exzucuh on 12/15/07

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The trinity doctrine is the worship of an image after the likeness of the manifestation of God. An image made of words to describe how man sees God in his own mind and his ideology that he has made to make all others bow to that image and serve an image created in the minds of men rather than to serve the one invisible God that no man has seen except Jesus Christ.
---exzucuh on 12/15/07

Joshua 5:13-15 there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay, but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot, for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

Another manifestation of God
---exzucuh on 12/15/07

Judges 13:21-22 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD. And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

This was God in the form of an Angel where does this manifestation fit in your trinity.
---exzucuh on 12/15/07

Genesis 32:24 And Jacob was left alone, and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

This was God in the Form of a man where is he in the trinity.
---exzucuh on 12/15/07

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There is only one name that represents the family of God,and it is not trinity it is Jesus the son of God when you call on his name the Spirit of God the counselor and teacher brings all truth and leads you in paths of righteousness, he is the Spirit of the everlasting Father the mighty God and he comes in the name of Jesus the prince of peace. And he brings the spirit of his Son into our hearts that we may cry Abba Father.
---exzucuh on 12/14/07

I also wonder why? You are not alone.
---Georgina on 12/14/07

We are to glorify the Son as much as the Father. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. One God in three+++ equals out to the Trinity. Are you saved today?
---catherine on 12/14/07

1)God the Father, God the Son. God the Holy Spirit..they are pray to them...through Jesus Christ!

Lisa where in the bible does it say GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT MENTIONED ALL AT ONCE. But where does the Bible say that God is three persons?

Bible is clear, Yeshu is God's Son(not GOD THE SON) Bible is clear the Holy spirit is God's SPIRIT(not God the Holy Spirit).
---cInDy92714 on 12/14/07

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2) Bible is clear that God was WITH Jesus bc God's SPIRIT was UPON HIM 2 preached the Good News of the Kingdom.

Just like every Prophets in the Bible claimed The spirit of God was upon them so whatever came out of their mouth it was God who was speaking.

God's spirit is not another God, it is HIS Spirit. There is no God THE spirit, for there is 1God.If you understand this, you'll understand the WHOLE MEANING of How the CHURCH IS 1 WITH God, AND HIS BELOVED Son Jesus.Through God's OWN SPIRIT.
---CiNdY92714 on 12/14/07

Lisa and Catherine, Yeshua is SEPERATE from God. There is NO TRINITY/ONENESS. yESHUA'S fATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD, for HE SAID so REPEATEDLY. God was not on the cross, Jesus was on the cross. God did not punish Himself and died for you, he SACRIFICED HIS SON BORN OF FLESH AND BLOOD TO TAKE AWAY YOUR SIN. God CAN'T DIE, HE CAN'T CHANGE, therefore from the foundation of the world God PLANNED TO RECONCILE THE WORLD THROUGH HIS SON, to be born of flesh and Blood. God and Jesus are one in MIND AND WILL.
---CiNdY92714 on 12/14/07

You are preaching separation. Jesus is God. Without that belief you can not be saved. God was on that CROSS. God will not answer prayers except through His Son. The Blood of Christ.++
---catherine on 12/14/07

If you want to know why the church has no power it is because of your Godhead theories, The gates of hell prevail against those who do not have the foundational doctrine of the Son of God. Your theories are hay and stubble that are burned up and leaves you naked before your enemy. The only power is Gods word if you get it right Jesus will back it up with signs and wonders, and his Father will answer your prayers. I am preaching the Son of God you are preaching the trinity.
---exzucuh on 12/13/07

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God the Father, God the Son. God the Holy Spirit..they are pray to them...through Jesus Christ!
---lisa on 12/13/07

1) i think we are in the wrong blog, for that im sorry. title is "why do you pray to the trinity" and the 3 of us who are fighting and filling up the page dont hold to the trinity. im oneness apostolic.
---Kraus on 12/13/07

2) i will say this, the way i come to thoes scriptues is that the Sonship refers to the Flesh and Father refers to the knowadge and creative power of God while the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God working among men. and when the Bible says the fullness of the Godhead was in Christ, i dont take it figgertivly (ie athority) but the Spirit of Christ is the HS the creative power of the universe.
---Kraus on 12/13/07

"godhead is in Christ Col 2:9" SO TRUE, BUT BECAUSE he is God's son, and God has fully GIVEN Full authority to Yeshua to Finish his work of reconciling the world to himself, he is STILL SUBJECT to that ONE TRUE God Yahweh. like he clearly stated throughout the bible.

Yeshua is the head of the Church.

BUT GOD (1 GOD) is THE HEAD of Christ.

Remember what Paul SAID: 1 Cor 15:28 that Christ will be subject to God forever:
---cInDy92714 on 12/13/07

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"When he(Jesus) has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him(YAHWEH) who put everything under him(YESHUA), so that God may be all in all."


Well because God Gave Yeshua the fullness of the godhead(POWER AND WUTHORITY OF WHAT GOD IS)

In light of this eternal subjection how can any Christian believe that Jesus is God?
---CiNdY92714 on 12/13/07

Jesus as Gods Son is equal to him in essence and nature but SUBJECT to him in rank ,authority for there is only ONE GOD in the universe, not 3 in one equal but not, 1 but 3, this is not what the bible states! Let Go of the trinity doctrine is blinding you from seeing the glorious manifestation for all human kind that WE TOO CAN ALSO BE ONE WITH GOD, BUT WE WILL NEVER BECOME GOD AS MUCH AS you want to BELIEVE Yeshua is God. He is our Lord and Saviour, because OUR GOD-HIS GOD EXALTED HIM TO THAT POSITION.
---CiNdY92714 on 12/13/07

1)Kraus: TRUE The Fullness of the Godhead WAS IN Christ. God GAVE Jesus THE FULL AUTHORITY AND POWER, just as Jesus have said in the beginning of his ministery.

Isa 61:1-2 & Luke 4:18-19

"The Spirit of the Lord YAHWEH is ON ME, because YAHWEH HAS ANNOITED Me to preach the Gospel to the poor, He HAS SENT ME ....
(Isa 61:1-2)
... to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."
(Luke 4:18-19)
---cInDy92714 on 12/13/07

2) In Isa 61 A being speaks about God's anointing and the work He HAS BEEN GIVEN to do. The identity of THAT Person is not revealed until verse 61:8,
- - "For I Jehovah love judgment-"
This shows that it is Jehovah, who is speaking and who states that He YESHUA has been appointed by God. Yeshua CONFIRMED IT in Luke 4:18 quoting that same passage and then stating, "Today this Scripture is FULFILLED."
The meaning is VERY CLEAR, HE's THAT PERSON THAT Yahweh was TO SEND'.
---CiNdY92714 on 12/13/07

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exzucuh - Jn. 2:23 he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. i want to know do you deny that the fullness of the godhead is in Christ Col 2:9? or that God was manifested in the flesh 1 tim 3:16? this may be confusing but i dont say the son is the father but the father was in the son (Spirit in Flesh) reconciling the world to Himself 2Cor 5:19. for there is only one savior or is Isa 43:11 not in your Bible.
---Kraus on 12/12/07

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Why do you say I am taking anything from Jesus he is equal with God because he is his Son and subject to God for the Same reason.
You take the Father away by claiming Jesus is the Father. The doctrine of the Father and the Son is the doctrine of God.
---exzucuh on 12/12/07

4)Christ's Deity Was questioned many times and many times it was Affirmed by God and man

The IF of Satan- IF Thou art the Son of God.. (Matt, 4- 3).

God's Testimony: -This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" (Matt. 3:17 ) Affirmed by God.

The IF Of 'the Jews- 'IF You are the Christ(annoited of God), tell us plainly" (Jn 10: 24).

Christ's Testimony v.25 Jesus answered them, "I TOLD YOU, and you do not believe.."v.36"I AM THE SON OF GOD.".
---CiNdY92714 on 12/12/07

5)The IF of the Chief Priests- "If He is the King of Israel, let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe Him." (Matt 27:42)

Nathanael's Testimony: -"Thou ART THE SON of God, Thou art the King of Israel" (Jn 1: 16). Affirmed by a Jew with no guile. Luke 23:38And an inscription also was written over Him in letters of Greek, Latin, and Hebrew: THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS

The IF of the passersby-'IF THOU BE THE SON OF GOD, come down..(Matt. 27: 40).
---cInDy92714 on 12/12/07

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Affirmed by a Roman witness

The IF of the Rulers- "Let Him save Himself IF He be the Christ, the chosen of God" (Luke 23: 35).

Jesus"If I honor Myself, My honor IS NOTHING. IT IS MY FATHER who honors Me, OF WHOM YOU SAY IS YOUR GOD. Jn 8:54. Strong statement from Jesus, Kraus, listen to him!
---cInDy92714 on 12/12/07

Jn.8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins, for if you do not believe that I am (He), you will die in your sins."

Kraus: WHO did Yeshua say HE WAS?

ANSWER:Jn 10:36: "do you say of Him whom the Father SANCTIFIED and SENT INTO the world, 'YOU ARE BLASPHEMING,' because I SAID(HE SAID IT LOUD AND CLEAR!), 'I AM THE SON OF GOD'? CONTINUE..
---CiNdY92714 on 12/12/07

2)Yeshua is CLEARLY STATING HE'S THE SON OF GOD.Jesus could of easily said I am God the Father, but he DID NOT. He clearly said He was ANNOITED and SENT BY GOD(YAHWEH).

Why are you claiming Jesus as Yahweh, he's name is YESHUA..

Jn 15:1: "I AM the TRUE VINE , and MY FATHERRRRRR is the VINE DRESSER. LISTEN to Yeshua, he is pointing to GOD, NOT TO HIMSELF.
---cInDy92714 on 12/12/07

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