Elena, you have said what you said very well!
---love.jesus on 6/23/14|
I would not like rap music in my church, not becausr the style is necessarily evil, but because it is obnoxious and generally for a very immature audience. Also, I dont think it is appropriate for a worship service because rap music (regardless of the christian lyrics) is used to entertain and draw attention to yourself. It would be a stretch to call it a form of worship. Not sayinf there's anything wrong with Christian entertainment, just not what a worship service is for. Also, you must be careful even allowing it as a form of entertainment not to encourage an ungodly "gangsta" attitude. You dont want to encourage kids dressing and talking like they are from the "hood". Not an image Christians should be espousing.
---Jed on 6/22/14|
Hello,love.wins all respect the truth be known the basic gospel music
( Black gospel) was a scandalous thing! Born out of blues,jazz.. grandmother told me,how it caused many an up roar bk then!
People do not know that'. The words are Christ like but as
Listen re:older tunes the Clark Sisters. Their late mom Mattie Moss Clark introduced jazz her gospel songs.
I sang at my church sometimes, that is accapella,God get the glory!
---Elena9555 on 6/21/14|
Remember that long ago music written in 3|4 time was scandalous. Seems like half the old hymns we sing are written in 3|4 time.
---love.jesus on 6/17/14|
If rap were to be introduced to the church that I attend I would soon be looking for a new church I think. I would make my own individual feelings known and wait to see if my opinion, and those of others who felt the same way, were listened to but if the rap was to stay ("because we need attract new blood") I would leave them to find out, for themselves, how pandering to the young does not work.
---Rita_H on 6/17/14|
We should continually bring praise to God, great words of hymns like
"We're created for Him
Outta the dust he made us for Him
Elects us and he saves us for Him
Jesus comes and he raises for Him"
These are some of Lecrae's words in "Don't waste your Life". By the way I don't like rap music. But I respect what it means to my friends that do. If you don't like the "music" at least go and read the words. By the way many of the music styles incorporated into hymns were originally bar tunes. Holy, Holy, Holy just swing your arm next time you sing it.
---Scott1 on 6/17/14|
I can't even close my eyes and imagine rap or rock music in my church. I think I would throw up. Worldly music does not belong in church. Once we sang at a church that was hosting gospel sing. One young girl about 14 or 15 brought her guitar and her skirt was very very short and she was bee bopping all over the church. I just got up and excused myself.
---shira4368 on 6/16/14|
In my spirit there is no agreement with Christian "rap". "rap" music is devoid of one Christian character i.e. gentleness.
---Adetunji on 6/17/14|
To me its wrong. it's still iritating as regular rap music except they slap a Chrisitan label on it. If you're going to SING to God then sing, dont rap, there is no class no respect in rap.
---candice on 6/16/14|
Teens driving around town with radio blasting. They actually think they are cool but believe me when I say they are only cool to themselves. If they only knew how others view them, they wouldn't do it anymore.
---sshira4368 on 6/16/14|
there is no such thing as Christian rap and Christian rock music. rap and rock music are worldly and the church has no place for worldly things including music. if you want your church to sound like a bar then guess that's what some churches want. the fact is rock music arouses feelings in young people. if you think it don't just go hear it once and you will be convinced. it is evil music. so is rap. a church that uplifts God and worships God will never play bar music.
---shira4368 on 6/15/14|
Hello,you all.know I am.smile an.old lady,but I've heard some very impressive mild Christianrock.,gospel centric and christian Rap very good the words,the melody.
If seriously,wins them & bring them to Christ hey that's a good thing. One guy really impressive he was frLA he had got saved,sang bout how God saved his life,he went to.prison gave his life to serve Christ came out trying to.reach the same people he was fighting...many have giving up.thug life & streets & serious about God.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 6/15/14|
My 2 cents on the matter: Gospel music is gospel music, even if it's in the form of rap.
But IMO almost all rap is darned annoying, especially when played on over-loud car stereos.
So as a courtesy to others, if anyone on this blog is listening to rap, PLEASE keep it low enough that it doesn't drown out MY stereo. K? Thanx!
---Nancy on 12/18/07|
I'll tell you in a few words.
Oil and water,...........don't mix.
When you do mix something together,it
becomes something else ,it won't be the same.
---Jack_8773 on 12/14/07|
Frank: if we have to follow one part of Levitical law, I suppose we should follow the whole law. Paul was very adamant about not turning gentiles into Jews.
But, if you can't do it by faith, don't do it.
---j._nonymous on 12/14/07|
Frank: The question is, where do we draw the line when it comes to these customary laws?I live in a neighborhood where people are frequently shot and stabbed, especially in the summer. Tattoos are not high on my priority list when people are dying and going to hell. We almost would rather have the church look prim and proper than to pack it with imperfect people. You and I draw the line in different places on this issue. But I respect that your responses are so level-headed. Thank-you so much.
---j._nonymous on 12/14/07|
I see your point but the word is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
If a person gets tattoos to be as a world they are commanded to be willing to forsake it is si Not laying the word of God to heart. Rebellion and possibly even trying to be as the serpent. Who is covered with marks.
If one thinks that abstaining to tattoos is their righteousness then they, like the Jews, have not attained unto the righteousness in Christ Jesus.
---Frank on 12/14/07|
Frank: for the half-naked part, I agree. Here's what the Bible says about tatoos:
"Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."
But look what it says in the verse right before that:
"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard".
According to this standard, I suppose I'm in sin due to having my beard trimmed frequently. Wearing clothes of different fabrics is also against Levitical Law.
---j._nonymous on 12/14/07|
I agree with you partially as David used Goliath's sword to behead him. He retrieved it from the priests later for battle.
But coming on stage half naked and covered in tattoos like a world we are commanded to have no part of is going beyond just "being a Jew to the Jew."
Saul was commaded to destroy everything. His rebellion cost him his kingdom. Just like Ananias and Saphira were a type and shadow of spiritual death.
---Frank on 12/11/07|
I listen to Christian rap, and even rap myself. God made music to glorify Him, the devil just perverted it. If you are lifting up the name of Jesus Christ, comming against the works of the devil, and winning souls, then it is a good TOOL to use to catch much fish (souls).
---Leslie on 12/11/07|
When it comes to music, I'm one of those people who says "lyrics are everything". Some people throw the term "Christian" around too loosely when it comes to music. If the lyrics are 100% Christian, (no profanity, no disrespectful slang terms) and they teach sound doctrine, then I think it falls under being "all things to all people in order to save some" My kids love Toby Mac.
---Greyrider on 12/11/07|
Frank: The point is, a comparison can be made. The Urim and Thummim were pagan first. Yet God used them. Rap was secular first. Yet God uses it. Have you read my explaination below? What do you think?
Also, it's not a trick question. I was hoping someone in the crowd would make a connection. I failed in my presentation.
The overall point is, God can use anything if its not in and of itself sinful. That better?
---j._nonymous on 12/11/07|
The Urim and Thummim were the names of the children of Israel on two stones. To be brought before God.
It has nothing to do with rap but a lot to do with trick questions to make Christians look stupid as they argue about that which they know little about and prove their spiritual ignorance to the unbeliever.
It has a lot to do with a lack of temperance and discernment of spirits that many show as they jump to answer.
---Frank on 12/11/07|
God can use anyone and anything for his purpose. I think of Philippians where Paul was in prison, and others were preaching under false motives. Paul said let them. It is better the truth get out.
God is, well...God! He can use it all.
---kady on 12/10/07|
the style of a song or lyric isnt important its content. i feel 90% of rap music is a poison to this generation. its main themes are murder, pride, and fornication. if a rap can be up beat, positive and illicit worship then fine. every generation has their own sound and there was a time with the organ wasnt played in churches because it was considered ungodly.
---Kraus on 12/9/07|
"Urim and Thummim on the linen ehpod"
---alan_of_UK on 12/8/07|
Paul once was a Pharisee who looked down on ones not of his religious feather. But, in order to reach people for Christ, Paul says he became "all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." (1 Cor. 9:22) This including..."to those who are without law, as without law" (1 Cor. 9:21). So, I can see that rap which is scriptural in word and spirit can be used to make Christians become as those they seek to reach.
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/7/07|
Jack: the Urim and Thummim was originally used in Egyptian religious ceremonies. Their use did not originate with the Jews, but with Pagans. Only later did God use them to communicate with His people, after sanctifying them.
The connection to rap: though rap does not have it's roots in Christianity, can it be used to communicate to God's people, and to even reach the lost? Can God sanctify rap in the same way he did the Urim and Thummim to suit His purpose?
---j._nonymous on 12/7/07|
If you can understand that kind of music, then have right it. Meaning go ahead and listen to Christian rap if you don't feel condemned when doing so. Only God can show you if it is right or wrong. Who is Urim and Thummin?
---Rebecca_D on 12/7/07|
The only thing that the Urim and Thummim might have to do with Christian rap is if they are mentioned in the lyrics of a song, are a title of an album, or are being used as the name of an artist.
That's it. Nothing else.
---Nancy on 12/7/07|
Biblical scholars interpret the Urim and Thummim to be a divination process whereby it could be determined which person was a sinner. Linen ephod (correct spelling) is what David was wearing when he danced before the Lord. Urim and Thummim is the name Joseph Smith gave to the "magic glasses" he said he used to translate the Book of Mormon. A form of the linen ephod is used in both Mormon temple rites and Masonry.
---Susie on 12/7/07|
Christ bore the sins of the children of Israel before God on a cross at Calvary. Our righteousness is in his blood by faith and in rememberance in communion of his blood and body.
He was and is our High Priest forever after the order of Melchezidec.
He doesn't need rappers with the names of the children of Israel to remember who he died for.
The word says we are not to be conformed to this world.
---Frank on 12/7/07|
Please explain what Christian rap have to do with the Urim and Thummim.
I don't get the connection at all. Do you?
---Jack on 12/7/07|
Well that last part is Greek to me, but I don't think Christian rap is wrong if the message is right, and it's done in good taste. This goes for all genres of music.
---kady on 12/7/07|
My boy wants me to answer for him: He is telling you that it's poetry in motion. ha.ha.ha. and he wraps and my goodness,,,it's even good, one of his wrap songs is sung by someone famous, yet his name appears no where, yet he wrote the whole thing, my mouth dropped open, because he was only eight years old when he put this lovely little piece together.
---Whisper on 12/7/07|