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Are Jews God's Chosen

Who are the Jews or Israelites today?
Are they still God's chosen people?

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AlanOfUk, It is a common sin for people to believe that every Israelite in Israel and every Jew of Judah across the land is chosen by God. But on the contrary God makes it very very clear that ONLY the soul which does his will are the ones chosen by God. God desires all to obey him and become his Jew (Praise), but not all do. And when he himself has come to his own, they have dissed him and slew him on the tree, as they have also dissed all the prophets he sent to them: but the true Jew does not do this.
---Eloy on 5/23/08

The only chosen people of today are the born-again people. Jews or Gentiles. How can anyone claim to be chosen and be lost? Inpossible. God changed some things when He came to this earth in flesh and bones.
---catherine on 5/22/08

I have learnt a lot from a Jew who became a Christian and was first a prisoner as a Jew under the Germans, then as a Christian under Communism. He had the great advantage of a thorough grounding in the Old Testament. He wrote many books I believe. Surely a Saint bound for Heaven yet nobody here (I think) will know his name.
---frances008 on 5/22/08

Israel/Jews were given 2 chances and they blew both of them. The agreement(s) God had with them were conditional. Dan. 2 shows us that a NEW Kingdom of Heaven group will be establishid at the end (during the ten toe area which is not yet here). Matthew 21:43 shows us that Jesus said the KOH will be taken away from the Jews and that is exactly what happened. Those people that don't understand this are being lied to.
---james on 5/22/08

Eloy ... You point out the reason I asked!
The nation is called "Israel" not "Jewland"
There are Jews throughout the world, but they are not part of that nation that lives in Israel.
Are Arabs a nation? or Caucasians?
Surely Jews are a race, not a nation?
---alan_of_UK on 5/22/08

.alanOfUk, Yes they are, and yes they were. Many times under God's direction they have gone throughout the lands dispossessing settled people and conqueroring and claiming territories that were not their own, and they have been driven out from where they have settled more than once. Today Jerusalem is considered the capital of Israel. Please Read- Exodus 19:6+ Psalm 33:12.
---Eloy on 5/22/08

Millions of Jews have already gone on to hell, and some Jews have gone on to heaven. God looks upon the heart, whether Jew or Gentile, and if you have sin then you will go to hell, no matter what nationality you are, and if you have not sin then you will go to heaven, no matter what nationality you are.
---Eloy on 5/22/08

delusion:"My dad was a saved man of God, thus I his child am too."But God says, your dad Abraham being godly, does not without your own obedience make you godly too, for each soul must freely choose me even as your father Abraham chose me and to follow my ways. Else you remain disobedient, but your father obedient. I am no repector of persons says the Lord, each soul is rewarded according to their own works which he has done, the father for his own, and the child for his own, whether good or bad
---Eloy on 5/22/08

Are the Jews a nation?
Were they ever?
---alan_of_UK on 5/22/08

I know that during WW2 and at other times, because they were a hunted people, that many of them became Catholics in an attempt to save their lives. So all those of us born into 'Catholic' families, may indeed be Jewish blood somewhere down the line. This is without considering the connections between Knights Templars and Muslims and therefore probably with Jews too. It is hard to know what our ancestors really believed in.
---frances008 on 5/21/08

I am a Jewish, born again believer! Praise the Lord! :-)
---Holly4jc on 5/21/08

Nicole_ Good Job!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/21/08

Jew or Israelites are God's first chosen people. They will always be His first love. His first born. But we are all His children 2nd, 3rd and so on. My parents have 5 kids. I am the fourth. They love me just as much as the first. Jews or Israelites are those of the 12 tribes of Israel. Now, to state you are a Jew your mother has to be Jew. Only because of the famous saying
Mama's baby, Papa's maybe.
This is only for men.
God knows all His first born and the rest of His children.
---Nicole on 5/21/08

I believe there are two Israels, spiritual Israel (God's chosen people grafted in by belief) and literal Israel. Romans 9:6 "They are not all Israel who are of Israel", and Gal 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
On a side note, I still wouldn't mess with literal Israel, God's anointed, even David wouldn't lay a hand on wicked Saul because he was still God's anointed.
---Todd1 on 5/21/08

God is no excuser of persons. He has made of One blood All nations. Not being for the appearance, a Jew, nor the appearance in flesh, circumcision, but the hidden in whom a Jew, and circumcision of heart, in spirit. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek: for you all are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you all Christ's, then are you all Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.Dt.10:17+ Act.17:26+ I Sm.16:7+ Rm.2:28,29+ Gal.3:27-29
---Eloy on 5/21/08

Heresy says Jews are the chosen, but Truth says the pure heart is chosen and not the nationality.
---Eloy on 5/21/08

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The Jews are God's People! The question is which Jews:

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

(Hint: Part of Israel are naturally Gentiles by birth, but they are Jews by the Spirit of God.)

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

(Descendent of Abraham doesn't mean chosen.)
---trey on 5/19/08

The Jews are God's chosen!

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Again, outwardly is not what counts with God. It's the inward man that he looks on.
---trey on 5/19/08

yes..they are. God made a Covenant with Abraham and that Covenant is not broken. If you want to learn more about this..learn about Covenants.
---melanie on 5/19/08

John 7:19 Jesus says "If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me."

And to understand this properly you must understand that Christ was the God of OT ...Christ authored it NOT Moses

Jews are from House of Judah one of the 12 tribes of Israel

Salvation will be open to EVERYONE during the 100 years after the millenium (Rev 20:5)

Salvation for those who are called now (John 6:44, 65) is only open ONCE
---Rhonda on 5/17/08

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I believe that God has still called all people to be his people. I think there exists protection and prayer for Israel in the Bible. I know Christ said to love my neighbor as neighbor is anyone regardless of relgion or culture or race.A man cannot say he loves God and hates his brother..he is a liar. Israel still has a very special place in God's heart as do all people because He made us and calls us to be His. If nothing else, I am commanded to love my neighbor as myself.
---A_Friend on 5/16/08

Based on Romans 10-11. I don't see why not. Jews were called that because of being from the House Judah which was not captured by the Assyrians. later Judah and Benjamin went into captivity too. However, the promise of Jesus linage was through Judah.
---yochanon on 2/4/08

The ten lost tribes were dispersed after the curse of God. Several Hebrew writings relate to them being mixed with Gentiles and later brought back Home. Many of them received the Gospel in Jesus's day, as Paul wrote in Romans and Peter notes in his letters.

We Christians are part of mixed multitude likened unto Exodus. Many people note we are the tribe of Ephraim ressurected. So one day we will be one or sion in JESUS-JEW AND GENTILE. Olive tree grafted. ONE HOUSE.
---yochanon on 2/4/08

Although Jewish and Christian tradition almost unanimously recognize Moses as author of the Pentateuch, few issues relating to the OT now are debated as hotly. Many conservative scholars continue to believe that Moses wrote virtually all of the Pentateuch with His own hand. I hope that this helps.
---catherine on 2/4/08

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*Nowhere in the "Pentateuch" does it mention that Moses is the author. His time period is circa 1500-1600 BCE.*

Yet Jesus said Moses wrote the Pentateuch. In Matthew 19:8 Jesus refers to laws regarding marriage in Deuteronomy and credits Moses with writing them. In John 7:19 Jesus says, "If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me."

No compelling reasons have been forthcoming to challenge Mosaic authorship.
---Ramon on 2/3/08

The Jews/Israelites were favored by God to bring His meesage to the world (remember there were no Jews/Israelites before Abraham). They botched their mission and God gave a new covenant (same laws, different people) to anyone who becomes a Christian - Jew or Gentile. The Christians are grafted into the Jewish line, NOT a separate group of people. The Jews are still the chosen people for God himself said "forever" and all endtime prophesies surround the Jews.
---Steveng on 2/3/08

It does seem like today's Christians are walking the same path as the Jewish people of long ago. Human nature never changes, eh?
---Steveng on 2/3/08

jr, *Paul was hand picked* This presents more questions. Neither he nor those who were with him saw "anything" ,they just heard a noise!was Luke there? Paul had great respect for Gamaliel, Chief of the Sanhedren, #1 Pharisee. He said "If these are of God you will actually be fighting against God" (Acts.5) So after Steven's murder,on the way to round up more, conscience kicks in , reality of what he's doing hits him like a ton of bricks,knocks him off his horse!The rest is history.
---1st_cliff on 2/3/08

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jr, Nowhere in the "Pentateuch" does it mention that Moses is the author. His time period is circa 1500-1600 BCE. Adam's creation is somewhere around 4,000 BCE. The writing is compiled by 4 sources,J. E. P. and D. For an indepth look at these read "Who wrote the Bible " by Richard Elliott Friedman (by Summit Books of NY) Jesus verified the "creation" account Matt. 19.4. Add to this that "writing" was not invented "till after the flood!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/08

jr, Mark was an excellent writer (tho not an eyewitness) may even had a hand in the writing of Matthew's gospel. Well if a group of men "agreed" on what constituted "inspired" writing and pronounced it "written by God" is good enough for you, what can I say? Quran inspired? millions think so, does that make it right? What "credentials do you have to dismiss this as uninspired?
---1st_cliff on 2/3/08

jr, As far as Marcion is concerned, just Google the name and a whole flood of info reveals all you need to know about him and his rival religion.
---1st_cliff on 2/3/08

jr. As to my background,well I gave up "denomination ism" some 20yrs. ago. "Packaged" religion just doesn't cut it!The 1st thing denominations want to do is bring you in line with their "theology" If you dare go outside this then you're a heritic! I will keep my "free will" thank you very much! I have Lexicons, Interliears, various bible translations and of cource the "internet" and I can read!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/08

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1st Cliff I am curious as to what background do you come from? Are you a Christian and have you been Born Again? I am a Pentecostal and I have been Born Again. And as a born again Christian I believe the BIBLE FROM COVER TO COVER IS THE INSPIRED WORD IF GOD. I stress my belief in all of it seeing it all has the SAME AUTHOR. So if you don't mind please share your background. It helps to know whether you are talking to a Christian, Agnostic, Humanist, Atheist,or just someone who is searching.
---jr on 2/2/08

1st Cliff where did Christ verify the account of the creation?? I and every historian,bible scholar that I have ever read gives Moses credit for the book of Genesis. Have we all missed something?? And by the way just what time frame is 3000BCE??
---jr on 2/2/08

1st Cliff seeing that in 363 AD at the Council of Laodicea when the books that were to make up the Holy Scriptures were in fact compiled. What credentials do you have that gives you the right to question the validity of any book in the Bible? At the Third Council at Carthage in 397 AD they were once again ratified and the Book of Revelations was added. What gives you the right to say "they weren't hand picked" yet on the road to Damascus Paul was hand picked!!!
---jr on 2/2/08

1st Cliff, if you knew anything about the book of Mark you would know that Mark wrote his book while in Rome with the Apostle Paul. The romans kept asking Paul about the miracles that Jesus did, and Paul told them they would have to ask Mark seeing how he wasn't there.So mark began to tell them the things Peter had related to him and the romans convinced Mark to write it in a book.
---jr on 2/2/08

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1st Cliff, you need to read Eusebius's account of Marcion and you will see just how wrong you are about Marcion. If that don't correct your position go to the web site "chronology of scripture" and scroll down to 144AD and its there in black and white.If you understood how much of a problem Marcion was you would understand why Luke wrote both Luke and Acts to Theophelius seeing that Theophelius was contending with the heresy of Marcion and his followers.
---jr on 2/2/08

The Jews were the Chosen race. Jesus was born into the Jewish Race. This does not mean that Jews are saved or non-Jews are not saved.
---frances on 1/26/08

Jr, I think you need to do a little more research regarding "Marcion" He rejected the whole OT and believed strongly in Paul. His text was 10 of Paul's epistles and Luke. A former Catholic bishop was excommunicated, but had a very large following.
---1st_cliff on 1/26/08

jr, I answered your Qs. John,Matthew,Peter etc. were "hand picked " by Jesus and therefore credible witnesses. No one could "write down" the Pentateuch at the time since "writing" was not invented 'till some 3000BCE. But Christ verified the creation account,personally! Mark was Peter's "penman" not the sourse of what he wrote. How does "travelling" with Paul explain Luke quoting Jesus? (Luke 16. & 22.10)
---1st_cliff on 1/26/08

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Of course the Jews are Gods choosen people, they were in effect the true vine and we being foreign weeds were grafted into that vine by way of their error, will God forget his people I think not, He will graft them back in again in his appointed time and they will reign with him again and possibly stand side by side with him when he judges the nations according to his words, the Saints are his jury. I shouldn't boast least you also be grafted back out of his union through pride.
---Carla5754 on 1/26/08

No,the jews are not God's chosen people.
The rejection of Chirst by the jewish
people separated them from the new covenant.
Now they have to be converted into the christian fold in order to be saved.
There is no exceptions.
---Jack_8773 on 1/25/08

Circumcision is of the heart. Being a Jew won't save anyone, and nor will Baptism without a life that obeys the Ten Commandments and the New Testament Laws. BUT if we have faith in Jesus, our lives will reflect it. We will repent and change our ways.
---frances on 1/25/08

Dr Rich, you seem to ignore the questions I have ask you!! Are you a real Dr of any kind? And are you a christian?? Please answer direct. And as soon as you answer those you can answer a few others such as in Jn. 14:26 was the Holy Spirit only promised to the 12? And if so what happened to the other 108 in the upper room? Peter said in Acts 2:38-39" the promise is unto you and to your children and to all that is afar off (gentiles) even as many as the Lord our God shall call." (see next box)
---jr on 1/25/08

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Dr Rich, Does the name Marcion ring a bell with you? Are you a follower of his, or do you embrace his doctorine? The reason I ask is in 144 A.D. Marcion withdrew from the church and started a cult. The sole purpose of this cult was to try and discredit the writings of Paul and Luke. And you seem to try and accomplish the same end. Are you a follower of Marcion?
---jr on 1/25/08

jr, google 'THE BIBLE ON TRIAL' and your question(s) should be answered. When Jesus was finished with His ministry He told (John 14:26)ONLY "His own" that God had given Him (John 17) that the Holy Spirit would cause them to remember everything that He said. Therefore, when they wrote it down it came from the Holy Spirit. Jesus did NOT tell this to Luke, Paul or the writer of Hebrews. Try answering all questions this way and you will be surprised!
---Dr._Rich on 1/24/08

1st Cliff History records that Luke in his travels with Paul was brought into contact with many that were there and in doing so he compiled a hugh amount of info from those who were there but never wrote it down so Luke did. Thank God for Luke. You never did answer how Moses could record Genesis yet he lived almost 2400 yrs. later. Please just answer and don't do it with a question seeing a question is not an answer.I've noticed you don't like to answer anything directly yet you want answers.
---jr on 1/24/08

1st Cliff are you aware that Mark wasn't there either? And according to all Bible scholars and historians Peter was Mark's source of information. Creates a real dilema doesn't it? Only 2 of the 4 gospels were actually there,Matthew and John so I guess we should discard Luke and Mark seeing they are only HEARSAY!!!! How many more books of the bible do you want us to disbelieve due to hearsay???
---jr on 1/24/08

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1st Cliff you never answered the question I ask you in regards to John recording 6 incidents that none of the others recorded,nor the three Matthew mentioned not to mention the book of Revelations. Do we discard Revelations because John was the only one who was told to"Write the things which thou hast seen,and the things which are ,and the things which shall be hereafter" Rev.1:19 Please answer and without a question if possible!!
---jr on 1/24/08

Jews were the Chosen Race, and that is why the best Christians are those who know their Old Testament because they were Jewish at first. Similarly, the sincere Catholics will be led out of the false Church by the Holy Spirit and make very good Christians when their eyes are opened by the Holy Spirit. It just takes for God to want to open their spiritual eyes. Some people he does not seem to want. I suggest they are the ones who chose the devil.
---frances on 1/24/08

jr, Consider Deut.19.15"A matter must be establised by the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses". (a witness is not "hearsay") Luke and Paul quoted Jesus as saying (regarding communion) "Do this in rememberance of me" Yet they weren't there(Upper room) None of the attendees wrote about it Matthew,John,Peter,James,Jude (oversight?) SO where did Paul and Luke get this information? They were not "witnesses".
---1st_cliff on 1/24/08

1st Cliff, Why are you so hung up that everybody has to be an eye witness? In 2Peter 1:16-21 Peter says we were eyewitnesses of His majesty, heard the voice "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well Pleased" we were in the the mount with him. Yet he goes on to say we have a more sure word of prophecy, referring to the prophecies of the old testament that were written by men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. And you infer Luke, and Paul who were saved can't be trusted does that sound right?
---jr on 1/23/08

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jr, *the word used there ...depicts unilateral* How does "bereeth" depict "unilateral?" The word means passing between cut flesh. Translators use the word "covnent" (a 14th century word)does not acurately define "bereeth"! Look it up.
---1st_cliff on 1/23/08

1st Cliff, If you read Gen.15:18"The Lord made a COVENANT with Abraham" I'm sure this was pre-14th century! The word used there is a word that depicts unilateral. To show the covenant still exist in Romans 11:27-29 "the gift and CALLING of God is without repentance", in Galations 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's then are ye Abraham's SEED and HEIRS according to the PROMISE", of course you know the promise here is the covenant He made with Abraham.
---jr on 1/22/08

1st Cliff, Arabs and Jews are going to forever kill each other. Abraham had 2 sons Issac and Ishmael. Ishmael being the oldest feels him and his descendants should inherit it all. We know that there is a difference in being the oldest and being the promised.Joseph wasn't the oldest yet he received the coat of many colors that should of belonged to Reuben. Jacob the youngest yet got the blessing. That all was written for us to understand there will never be peace between Arabs and Jews until Jesus comes.
---jr on 1/22/08

jr, John and Matthew were hand picked by Jesus to be His Apostles and eyewitnesses. Luke was a Gentile (Greek) and never met Christ! Can you see a difference? Covenant is a 14th century word translated as such from "Bereeth" which means to cut flesh and pass between them..make sense to you?? Unilateral? I guess it could be construed that way, What concrete evidence is there today that suggests the covenant is still binding? Palestinian rockets keep killing Israelis!
---1st_cliff on 1/21/08

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1st Cliff,in the gospel of John he records (1)turning water into wine Jn.2:1-12 (2)healing of the paralytic at the pool of Bethesda Jn.5:1-9 (3)healing of the noblemans son Jn.4:46-54 (4)healing of the blind man Jn.9:1-7 (5)raising Lazarus from the dead Jn.11:38-44 (6)the second drought of fishes Jn.21:4-6 So do we doubt the gospel of John? Because you won't find these in none of the other gospels.
---jr on 1/18/08

1st Cliff, In regards to Luke being the only one to write the parable of Lazarus and the rich man if this is grounds to doubt Luke, Matthew was one of the twelve and in his gospel he was the ONLY one to note- The sealing of Jesus tomb,and that a Roman guard was placed outside of the tomb and that other saints were ressurected with Jesus. So do we discredit Matthew because none of the others recorded this? Once you start doubting where does it stop? The sin of unbelief is what got Israel.
---jr on 1/18/08

AG,evidently 1st Cliff has never looked up the word COVENANT that God used to Abraham if he had he would know that it was an unilateral covenant. God did it that way because He knew man and didn't want man having control over His covenant. It is the only time the word covenant is used that it is unilateral.
---jr on 1/18/08

AG, You would have to understand Jewish culture to know the advantage of addoption. Under Jewish culture you could disinherit flesh and blood but an adopted child could NEVER be disinherited. Paul said in Eph.1:5 we(the gentiles) were predestinated unto adoption of children God knew the gentles would provoke Israel to jealousy and this satisfies the "pleasure of His will"
---jr on 1/18/08

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Dr Rich, just what kind of doctor are you? Or is this just a handle? Are you a Born Again Chriatian? You seem to want to question any scripture that contradicts your preconceived notions. You keep referring to the words of Jesus, yet I don't recall Him ever writing an epistle, autobiography or even a book as far as that goes,if I've over looked something with His name on it please share it with me!!They were ALL written by men as the Holy Spirit led them.
---jr on 1/18/08

AG, If you look up "forever" in Strong's Concordance it says see "ever" and the definitions are not consistent. Making a covenant with Israel forever was contingent like any contract.The everlasting part was conditional. "The gift of God is eternal life" Now I ask you is this conditional?Do you have any responsability to have it applied to you? As far as God's word is concerned He wrote ONLY the ten comandments, everything else was written by men! True or false?
---1st_cliff on 1/18/08

1st cliff, will the creature reply to the Creator whom made it? Does the little child know better than their parent knows, whom raises the child? So when will you believe?
---Eloy on 1/18/08

1tcliff - "It's not God's "forever" but the writers and translators"

If you accept the bible as God's Word it is "God's forever".
Regardless of your view, to interpret scripture correctly we must determine the meaning of every word and concept in it's original language and context.

What did "forever", "covenant", "Israel" to the writers? Did all writers share the same interpretation? Your answer impacts your theology.
---AG on 1/17/08

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Because my office is torn up I can not find any good books. but God's chosen people are only those in which He has chosen for salvation. All I know.
---catherine on 1/17/08

AG, It's not God's "forever" but the writers and translators. It can mean "to time indefinite," From one period to another, I don't know about God being the "Alpha" which means "beginning" when God had no beginning! Neither will He have an "end" Omega! This term is only relative earth and it's inhabitants.IMHO
---1st_cliff on 1/16/08

I am not one of those fundamentalists.

If God's "forever" is not literal then my theology will need to be overhauled. For example, if His "forever" is not literal how can we be sure that He is eternal? If He is finite then He can't be the Alpha.
---AG on 1/16/08

AG, I don't know if you are one of those fundamentalists who believe that God is going to destroy this planet that we call home, in which case what happens to all these "forevers"? Forever in the bible does not necessarily mean "without end"!
---1st_cliff on 1/15/08

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Yes, God's covenants have some contigencies, but God also made everlasting promises.

Inheritance Forever
Gen 13:15

Perpetual Covenant
Gen 17:7, Gen 17:19

Perpetual Levitical Ordinance
Exo 28:43, Exo 29:9

Perpetual Sabbath
Exo 31:16, Lev 16:31

Perpetual Dietary Statute
Lev 3:17, Lev 23:14

God's Eternal Love for Israel
1 Ki 10:9

David's Seed will be Eternal
Psm 89:4

ect. ect. ect.
---AG on 1/15/08

linda, "To the Jews, Jesus said, You all are from your father who's the devil. Not being for the appearance, a Jew, nor the appearance in flesh, circumcision, but the hidden in whom a Jew, and circumcision of heart, in spirit. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek: for you all are one in Christ Jesus. And if Christ's, then are you all Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Jn.8:39,44+ Rm.2:28,29+ Gal.3:27-29.
---Eloy on 1/15/08

AG,The legal aspect is this-If you sign a contract with another party and THEY breach it,you are no longer bound by it. God covenanted with Abraham's descendants and they repeatedly broke their end of it so God was no longer obligated to keep His part! Now the new King (Christ) can choose whomsoever He wants to be a part of His Kingdom. He sets the rules. Race is no longer a factor . "Other sheep which are not of this fold (Jewish)I must bring flock one Shepherd"
---1st_cliff on 1/14/08

Alan,Any (fundamentalist) that I've talked to lean heavily on the parable of the Rich man and Lazarus as tho it was literal to support their view that at death you're somehow still alive! coupled with the missplaced comma of "Truley I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise" That day He went to the grave,tomb,hole in the ground,hardly "Paradise" wouldn't you say?
---1st_cliff on 1/14/08

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Just by reading all these posts, I wonder if there are any true Christians on this blog.
---Steveng on 1/13/08

When Jacob wrestled all night with Jesus, his name was change to Israel. Israel is a spiritual name and we are all part of that spirit. We are chosen when we are one in Christ Jesus and believe that He is our savior
---Carol on 1/12/08

God never breaks His Covenant. If He would break it with the Jews then He will break it with you.

God blesses Israel for Abraham's sake not because Israel is sinless in His eyes.

There is a difference between kin and the Bride as Joseph was a type and shadow of Christ.

Jesus calls Jews BROTHERS while He calls the Church HIS BRIDE.
---Ardith_Kay_Tolson on 1/11/08

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