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Are Pastors Soulwinners

Recently a pastor called me wanting me to send him some information about how we (my group) uses the word of God to prove to someone there are saved. When I ask him why most pastors are not soulwinners, what do you think you told me?

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Dr._Rich: You are teaching a false gospel. I strongly suggest taking a year sabbatical from the world bringing only yourself, the bible and the Holy Spirit for guidance.
---Steveng on 1/22/08

"Jesus NEVER taught grace!"

see John 3:16
---Tower_Guard on 1/19/08

Doc Rich I know what you are getting at about Grace. Paul was not giving a free license to sin-Romans 6. Peter wrote that some of His letters were hard to understand, however we do understand His situation with the gentiles.

Thanks, I am up to speed. I don't get my beliefs from Greco-roman theoists. U are very interesting. Please speak with a Messianic or Hebrew roots leader about your issues. You'll be surprised. I clarify Pauls writings in context of OT/NT. People teach ant-christ lawlessness.
---yochanon on 1/18/08

Every born again Christian's duty is to win souls to the Lord. That is what its called. It does not mean the person saves anyone. It only means he brings the good news of the gospel to others. The Holy Spirit through the Word of God convicts the one's who are ready to hear. Pastors job is to teach the truth to all the congregation so that they are equip to go out with the truth. Pastors are soul winners too because in the church there is many who are not saved who will hear the gospel he preaches.
---Mark_V. on 1/18/08

#2. Ony God knows who is truely saved. Salvation is not a false hope as Dr. Rich says, but a real hope because it is a guarantee by God. And God is truthful. A guarantee that we will be saved from the wrath of God at judgment day. It is a done deal because God said it. and it is a future act because God says it. Every person has a duty to make sure of his assurance. Whether he really has a true love for Christ. On those who are born again have a true love for Christ.
---Mark_V. on 1/18/08

#3. Many Pastors when out on the street preach the gospel when God opens the door and puts someone in their path. This happens all the time to many pastors. The Holy Spirit is in the process of convicting people and bringing them before us. We are to be ready always to preach the gospel.
---Mark_V. on 1/18/08

yochanan, May I ask you why anyone needs the words of Paul? And by the way, Luke didn't know Jesus either and was a follower of Paul and also wrote Acts. If you would do a little research you would find what I state is true. May I recommend a new book called "THE SPIRIT OF THE CHURCH" by Neufeld and Sterling to get you up to speed? Jesus NEVER taught grace!
---Dr._Rich on 1/17/08

dr. rich-I have noticed you rave on about not liking Rav Shaul/Paul writings. Something is wrong here. He was chosen by God in Acts and was taught in the desert for 3yrs.

I think what you mean is so called Christians do not obey Christ's commandments is reason they are not saved in Matthew Chapters-7 & 25.

Paul was being hit by all kind of false doctrines and did beleive in obeying Christ. People have spun his teachings into lawlessness. Give the Church Father a break.
---yochanon on 1/17/08

Show me anyone that IS saved or 'born again' and I will give you a thousand dollars. Saved is a done deal and no one at this time is actually saved! It is false hope and many will cry out, "but we were saved" and Jesus will say, "I don't know you since you didn't know me". However, there will be a time (shortly) that the 144K will be born again and saved before the time of trouble. This happens to the 5 wise virgins too. No, they are not the 'bride'. Don't get fooled by Paul's gospel!
---Dr._Rich on 1/16/08

If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch. But those saved are commanded: "Go all you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature, whom obeys and is baptized will be saved. Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way will save a life from death, and will cover a multitude of sins." Mark 16:15,16+ James 5:20.
---Eloy on 1/16/08

We do not have to prove to anyone that they are saved. It is more of a disproving. If you are truly saved you do not go to the word of God to find out if indeed you really are. You study so that you won't be stupid. I have had a real problem with this leading people to Christ. Now please don't quote scriptures. Remember only Jesus chooses. I believe in altar calls if the Person of the Holy Spirit is right smack dab in it. If He isn't no altar calls this morning. Jesus SAVES.
---catherine on 1/16/08

"Come hear, all you all that respect God, and I will declare what he has done for my soul. How then will the nonbeliever hear without a preacher? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things. Therefore faith from hearing, and the hearing through a word of God." Psalm 66:16+ Romans 10:14,15,17.
---Eloy on 1/16/08

Dan. None of us are soul winners?Prov.11:30. He that wins souls is wise.
What do you think sowing and reaping is? It's winning souls. Leading people to the Lord. Didn't the Lord commission us to do that?
---john on 1/15/08

It's everyones Godly duty to win souls to Jesus. We are not only sowers, but we are also nurturers (1Corinth3:8-9). Would you plant a vinyard without nurturing it?

Winning a soul from death is a continual battle against Satan, but will cover a multitude of sins (James5:19-20).

Does a child learn something the first time it is taught? You must continually teach morning, noon, and night (IITimothy4:2).
---Steveng on 1/15/08

Mima: I agree with Alan and Dan. I believe that the pastor's responsibility is to feed the sheep, the congregation. He is to equip them to do evangelism, and to be faithful to the Word.
---Trish9863 on 1/15/08

---dan said,"
None of us are soul-winners.
Proverbs 11:30 ,"The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and he that winneth souls is wise." And seems to imply that someone is a soulwinner.
Question, what is this fruit of the righteous?
Answer it is the souls won.
Question, what is this tree of life?
Answer, is the tree of life that was in the Garden. And to eat of the tree was to gain eternal life. Hummmm is this speaking to be eternal security? I think yes!!
---Mima on 1/15/08

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None of us are soul-winners. It is not our job. Why do we keep trying to do the Holy Spirit's job? We are sowers, we simply spread the seed. Some falls in good ground, some not. It is the Holy Spirit's job to convict, lead, etc. We may see some results or not. Our job is to sow and then reap what the Spirit sends us.
---dan on 1/15/08

Soul-winning should come from your heart ... not out of a seminary text-book
---alan_of_UK on 1/15/08

This pastor told me the reason most pastors are not soulwinner's is because they do not feel adequate. I found this answer astounding. He went on to say that while many feel inadequate many actually are inadequate. He later said, that there is no teaching about soulwinning taking place in the seminaries today.
I put this question to the bloggers, because I wanted them to know what a soulwinning pastor had to say.
---Mima on 1/15/08

Mima ... "we (my group) uses the word of God to prove to someone there are saved"
How do you, a mere mortal, know whether someone is saved? is it really for yuo tojudge?
"When I ask him why most pastors are not soulwinners, what do you think you told me?" Not quite sure what this question means?
---alan_of_UK on 1/14/08

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Although we should all be doing our part in the winning of souls. No where in the Scriptures does it say, nor are we given an example that a pastor was a soul winner. The pastor is a shepherd, he takes care of the sheep. The prophet,evangelist, and apostle are the ones who won the sheep in the Bible. The teachers and pastors take care of them to protect and mature them.
---john on 1/14/08

I think that he wished Mary or donna would have answered the phone instead of catherine.
---Mike on 1/14/08

Excuse me, but I think I've called the wrong number.
---Cindy on 1/14/08

The pastor's primary mission is equipping God's people with the deep truths of the Kingdom.

Should he preach only on the message of Jesus' death burial and resurrection?

If he did you'd lose half your congregation and you'd be labeled (rightfully) a seeker friendly church and no one would be challenged to grow spiritually in discipleship.
A pastor does have to be a soul winner, but on a much higher level, he has to win your soul again every week.
---Pharisee on 1/14/08

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