Should We Eat With Non-Christians
In Luke 15:2 it says," And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them." We know they were speaking of Jesus, and so the question arises, should we as Christians receive sinners and eat with them?
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A silly claim CraigA since you are basing it on ONE church.
DO ANY OF YOU POTLUCKERS EVER HEAR OF THE SIN OF GLUTTONY???
DO ANY OF YOU SO CALLED "CHRISTIANS" EVER OPEN YOUR DOOR/S, SO THAT THE POOR AND HUNGRY CAN EAT WITH YOU???
IF A VAGRANT DARE SIT DOWN TO EAT NEXT YOU. YOU WOULD CALL THE COPS AND EJECT HIM OUT! ASAP!
PRAISE THE LORD! LET'S EAT!
---John on 6/28/11|
I agree Craig. I've been going to a baptist church my whole life & the church dinners are nothing more than a "FAMILY DINNER". I've visited lots of denominations & I have yet to find any church where the dinners are anything more than a family dinner. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
---Reba on 6/28/11|
--In the Baptist/Evangelical/Fundimental tradition the "Potluck" holds a sacred (like a Holy Sacrement) position in their churches.--John
Speaking as one who was raised Baptist and spent the first 28 years of my life as a Baptist, I can flat out call this a lie.
When we had potluck it was to fellowship with one another. We had one about once every 2 months...
---CraigA on 6/28/11|
And...G-d Bless you too MarkV!
---John on 6/28/11|
John, you said,
"It was NOT ME who dubbed the term "BAPTIST EUCHARIST."
Maybe it was not you who dubbed it that way, but it most certainly was someone just like you who started it. It's always someone who had a bad experience about something that they go out of their way to criticize what they had a bad experience in. None of what you say is true in any church I have been to. Your description of women calling them hens, really gives evidence of what is in your heart. It's good you don't go to this potlucks where bro/sis go, you would ruin everyone if you were there.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/11|
Now really truly...what's in that ubiquitous Jello dish.
---John on 6/28/11|
It's the one's who are claiming to be a brother or sister in the Lord, but are living in sin that we are to avoid eating with. Not the lost. They're not claiming to be Christian. 1 Cor.5:11,But now I have written unto you not to keep company,if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater,or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner,with such an one no not to eat.
---Reba on 6/28/11|
Cluny-- Explain what to Donna? Nobody believes John about the "potluck" thing. Most churches have potlucks from time to time. Maybe John is delusional.
---Donna66 on 6/27/11|
Like always Cluny, my posts as so far above your understanding, they leave you in bewilderment!
I WILL EXPLAIN IT TO YOU....
In the Baptist/Evangelical/Fundimental tradition the "Potluck" holds a sacred (like a Holy Sacrement) position in their churches. Unlike your Parish/The RCCS/the Lutherans.
This is their RCCMary/Ellen White. They will always be in denial of this fact/ say it just a social gathering. But try to refuse to go without a valid reason. Try to say I not interested and WOW!
Like not taking the Eucharist, you simply cannot be a member if you do not attend the Sacred Potluck. It's never spoken, but ALWAYS understood.
It was NOT ME who dubbed the term "BAPTIST EUCHARIST."
---John on 6/27/11|
\\Of course we've been over this before. But you pay no attention.
---Donna66 on 6/27/11
It's it prominance in the Church that's a problem. Its not called the Baptist Eucharist for nothing.\\
In fact, it's not called the Baptist Eucharist at all. And Baptists are not the only ones who have parish potlucks.
Just another example of how little of what you say corresponds with reality, as I was going to point out to Donna.
---Cluny on 6/27/11|
Check your church's budget and find out for yourself.
You will be shocked!
---John on 6/27/11|
Jesus ate with republicans and sinners so I guess it's okay for us to eat with them too, even at potlucks.
---John.usa on 6/27/11|
John: You need to change churches. My church has two Ladies Bible Studies where up to 50 women meet weekly from September to May. We are also meeting this summer as well.
My church has a food pantry open one evening a week so the needy can come and get multiple bags of food to feed their families with. At Thanksgiving we invite all those families to a special service where the invitation is given, and then the families receive all the fixings for a Thanksgiving dinner, including a turkey, all donated by the church members. This past year, we had 150 families receive food and dinners.
We also have regular preaching and Sunday School.
---Trish on 6/27/11|
I say unto you if you do not receive sinners and eat with them how then can you convert them?
---Robert_Crane on 6/27/11|
--John, a POT LUCK is when families bring food from home, not out of the church budget.
---kathr4453 on 6/27/
I hope you read this, John.
Sounds like you just need to change churches. I've never heard of a church that spends all its money on food for the church members only. Thats just plain weird.
---CraigA on 6/27/11|
John---It's not called the Baptist Eucharist. Period.
Why you assume that potlucks are usually held in the sanctuary of the church is beyond me. (I can't believe you've been to very many) They are invariably held in an activity room of some sort apart from the sanctuary The only exception I can think of MIGHT be if it is a brand new church with only one room for all church functions. Not all that common.
Of course we've been over this before. But you pay no attention.
---Donna66 on 6/27/11|
It's it prominance in the Church that's a problem. Its not called the Baptist Eucharist for nothing.
It shouldn't be on Par with Sermons, Lords Supper, Bible studies.
It is a social activity that should be held outside the church. No more important than a Golf game or fishing.
But these woman do not know of any other way to serve G-d and so they follow Martha instead of Mary example.
The church is like a wheel The hub contains all the Godly activities(Sermon, Lords Supper, Studies )
SOCIAL activities should be at the end of the spokes. (I.E. The Ladies are making a Potluck all invited,Anyboby want to play golf see bob etc,)
IT NOT LIKE THAT! IS IT? ITS IN THE INNER SANCTUM OF THE HOLIES OF HOLIES!
---John on 6/27/11|
(Sigh!) John, regardless of how you feel about potlucks, I seriously wish you would refrain from calling women "hens"!! Degrading and rude and shows your clear attitude towards women in general--not cool! If you will recall, Jesus LOVED women!
---Mary on 6/27/11|
John, a POT LUCK is when families bring food from home, not out of the church budget.
---kathr4453 on 6/27/11|
John, I ask the question not to entice your anger. But because I thought there was some kindness in you towards brothers and sisters who gather together to eat as brothers and sisters. You stated how you feel about them but never why you do feel that way. At potlucks we have an opportunity to ask questions concerning what the pastor teaches, and we pray together and help others who have a need. We don't talk about movies or worldly things. I thought you knew that already so I thought maybe you didn't like the food and got sick eating someone else's food and that was why you hated potlucks. I didn't mean to get you all push out of shape. I have a feeling it is the church that you hate not the potlucks.
---Mark_V. on 6/27/11|
John, after reading your last post, I really don't know where you get the idea that potlucks cost the church any money. Potlucks are when people bring their own food. The church only provides the area where to eat. I have never seen where the teaching of the word is interrupted to began the potluck. Maybe you were talking and someone interrupted you and that was the reason you hate potlucks and call sisters hens. If you were the pastor, were you not in charge of the Bible studies? What kind of church did you belong to? I have been to hundreds of potlucks in different churches and never heard of the church paying for anything. That's why it call a potluck, so that others can bring their own foods.
---Mark_V. on 6/27/11|
John, "Usually about 70-80% of the Church budget goes to Potlucks."
If that's the case in your church, then i agree, there's a problem since our hearts are where our treasure is. The church i attend spends most on outreach, missions, a couple of orphanages we started in third world countries, feeding homeless both physically and spiritually, disaster relief, helping young, pregnant unwed women, and more. Occassionally we eat together, but prayer, teaching worship is always involved
---christina on 6/26/11|
Potlucks are nothing more than a place for "ChurchLadies" to show off their receipies.
SADLY most of the church budgets go to appease these Hens. Usually about 70-80% of the Church budget goes to Potlucks.
Does that tell you something about where their hearts are?
I was teaching a Bible study when one of these Matriarch "Marthas" stammer in and forcefully commanded us to cut the study short. Potluck is ready!!!
(Making sure we knew the priorities concerning Chruch really is!)
---John on 6/26/11|
John: "all your comments on Potlucks concern The Flesh eating of food.
Not one of you said it anything Godly or Spritual about this Heathen event disguised as Christian." Many that have commented about potlucks, primarily post responses which are spiritual, and I see the Love of God in many, desiring to share the Word, encourage one another in the truth. We DO still live in the world even if we are not of the world, and sometimes sharing a bit of our life's and showing an interest in others lifes is fine. I wish I could spend every moment worshiping, and in prayer, and in the Word... and had no earthly concerns, but I have a family that needs physical as well as spiritual food, children that must be educated, friends with jobs...
---christina on 6/26/11|
Christina-- You are right. And many people enjoy sharing their blessings from the Lord at such occasions.
John bad-mouths "potlucks" and various "churches" here so often, I've come to believe the REAL problem is not necessarily in the churches, but in his own sour attitude.
---Donna66 on 6/26/11|
Agree with many of you here. Nothing wrong with a potluck. Some false churches may do potlucks, but it's faulty reasoning to conclude on that basis that all churches that have potlucks are false. I can't help think of the early church gatherings in homes, when it was common to eat together, and I'm sure people brought things from their own homes to share, so they too had potlucks of a sort
---christina on 6/26/11|
NOTE: How all your comments on Potlucks concern The Flesh eating of food.
Not one of you said it anything Godly or Spritual about this Heathen event disguised as Christian.
Where the conversation is..."Hey Bob did you get the house?" ...or..MMM? Emma thta's sure good Apple pie!" NO biblical conversations allowed!
It has much higher importance than the Lords Supper or Bible studies. Miss a Bible study or the Lord supper WHO CARES! Miss the secular facing stuffing of pork/bean and its "Hey we haven't seen you at Potluck!(AKA: Baptist Eucharist) lately. Are you ok. Miss again and the "Pastor" starts talking to you.
A feast for phonies! A substitute for Biblical Fellowship! ALL SECULAR FAKE!!
---John on 6/26/11|
MarV--To John, I think "potluck" just typifies the kind of churches he hates. And HATE seems the only appropriate word. He will probably never say why. I hope some day he will forgive, however.
---Donna66 on 6/26/11|
Craig, I am surprise he would make such a quote. If a family gets together and everyone brings food they cooked it would be a potluck gathering, and if they are all Christian how can he say there is no Christians there? It is not the potluck he is against, but the church for having potlucks I believe. Or it could be the food that others make. Some don't like to stay for potlucks because they don't like to eat someone else's food, but it does not mean the one's that do are not Christian. Just wanted to hear why he says what he says, his own opinion, but he has not answered.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/11|
--Something went terribly wrong in your life at a potluck. I believe we would all like to know.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/11
I am one of those who would love to hear this. I have never seen anyone in my life hate POTLUCKS so much as Pastor_Jim. What did happen?
---CraigA on 6/24/11|
It is significant that those who criticized Jesus for receiving sinners and eating with them, were Pharisees and scribes. These were same people who criticized Him for healing on the Sabbath, and letting a woman wash his feet with her tears.
Do we listen to what the self-righteous leaders said? Or do we do as Jesus did?
---Donna66 on 6/24/11|
John, my questions were not hard. You mostly speak against potlucks and claim no Christians are found there so my questions were legit. You must have a reason why you say what you say.
If they cook bad does it mean they are not Christians? Something went terribly wrong in your life at a potluck. I believe we would all like to know.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/11|
wow! ...Some years back A minister & wife offered dinner summer day. We lived nxt block over! My sister n Me. She told them fine! I had to come later,becuz work' m So,I went to their home n they don't open for me..I was puzzled? Why? I see them sittn & they send son 4yrs. Old "momma says She Not Home!"..... I knew they did not want mebecuz I honestly,had seen before (at that time)I was Not a Christian. My sister said she couldn't see why they not open to let me eat .. I wish they wouldn't have told the little boy to lie! Becuz I told my sister. if not want me... Just say maybe "we invite another time & see you at church!".....Felt bad the child stayed on my mind...He learn to lie!
---ELENA on 6/24/11|
John, I hope you can answer this questions. A potlock is a gathering of people, in this case, Christians, where each brings their own cooking. Whether at a church area for eating or meetings or a park or your own home.
1. What bad experience happen to you at a potluck? Something terrible must have for you to be so against it.
2. You must have been to many in order to speak against it.
3. Was it eating someone else's food?
4. Was it what was said during the eating time?
5. Or what was said after eating?
6. Or is it that you don't believe Christians should eat together?
7. or is it that you believe only one person should provide all the food?
Can you explain kindly as a Christian who doesn't like potlucks?
---Mark_V. on 6/22/11|
YOU DO AT POTLUCKS!
No Christians there. Just Facades!
---John on 6/21/11|
Consider the tree of life the dinner table, and the company the serpent...
Now you understand how to protect the holiness of the dinner as we eat from the bounty of christ and drink with him in worship!
Teaching the young in faith or the misguided and unlearned sinner is one thing. Holding a dinner party with idolaters and demons is another....
---blposto on 6/20/11|
If we do not eat with sinners then, how are we to minister to them? Jesus ate with sinners unlike the Pharisees. Jesus came to save us, to show (the unbelievers) that God loves us.
---Arthur on 7/23/10|
Hehehe--love the cannibal humor francis :D
---Mary on 7/21/10|
If we didnt sin there would be no need of instructions on how to live after receiving Christ.
Theres a difference between how the Father sees us by His grace and how we actually are. The blood is a covering so that His wrath passes over us when we accept the Lord Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. Just as the blood over the doorways in Egypt protected them when the angel of death came for all firstborn children.
Be not high-minded but fear! We have to "remain in His goodness" and remember this at all times.
---JackB on 7/21/10|
what of they are canibals, do we still eat with them?
---francis on 7/21/10|
Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
How can one feel too good to eat with another if he esteems them better than himself? Every human being is a child of God, and as such is of infinite value. Jesus did not hesitate to eat with or fellowship with the lowliest of people. Indeed, He seemed to prefer them over the religious leaders. Are we better than He?
---jerry6593 on 7/17/10|
Christians WERE sinners who no longer still need a Saviour but HAVE a saviour.
Sinners are people who are still in need of a Saviour.
Dont say Christians are still sinners and therefore deny the work of the Cross. We Christians have been set free from sin.
---duane on 7/17/10|
"Not only that, Christians are sinners, but (most of them are repentent of their sins, the rest of them either deny they've sinned or justify it.) Sad, but true."
---Donna on 1/24/08
Those who are in this category, are deceived and are not Christians, though they may call themselves such. 1John 1:10 says, "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." By the same token, any who try to "justify" or " minimalize their sins are deceived. We are sinners, and need a saviour. If we deny that truth, we are doomed.
---tommy3007 on 7/17/10|
Mima: You must be a tiny,tiny baby in Christ. I don't think you even know what's really going on around you. You eat with Christians! Some unsaved people have more integrity and are better people to be around than some Christians! Sit down at the table,bless your food,eat. This is all that is required. Why do you insist on adding something to what God has not asked of us? You like punishment.
---Robyn on 7/16/10|
Jesus did not tell us, not to share the gospel with sinners: but on the contrary Jesus commanded us to evangelize, how else will the lost sinner become saved if noone tells them of the Savior?
~ Go tell it on the mountain,
over the hills and everywhere.
Go tell it on the mountain,
that Jesus Christ is born...
---Eloy on 7/14/10|
Preach the gospel in and out of season as opportunity arises. Seek his face for the discernment you need for different circumstances.
Do nothing without prayer..no short cuts.
---larry on 7/14/10|
1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1 Corinthians 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters, for then must ye needs go out of the world.
---francis on 7/14/10|
Yes you can eat with unsaved people. It's the ones who are claiming to be a Christian but are living in sin that the bible tells us to not fellowship with.
---Reba on 7/12/10|
I think Jesus meant by associating with them, that we should not consider people worse than ourselves. We have to remember we are a Chosen people, royal priesthood, a people set apart, taken out of darkness and brought into his wonderful light. Why would we want to mix with children of darkness. I think it is dangerous. The first rule in saving a soul, is making sure your own is saved. Not getting in the ditch but pulling people out. Being a shining light, different to them.
---frances on 1/31/08|
Unfortunately, many people's discipleship training consists of reading Christian best-sellers or watching popular Christian evangelists on TV, or reading hearsay on the internet.
---StrongAxe on 1/31/08|
Where did you people receive your discipleship training? Where do these type questions come from?Christians are sinners too, so why not? The only difference: we are sinners saved by God's grace. Your faith must be might small to even consider a question like this. But there are no silly questions. We all are to help one another. God bless.
---Robyn on 1/30/08|
1st Corinthians 5 verse 11 But here is what I am writing to you.You must stay away from any who claim to be believers but do those things.Stay away away from those who commit sexual sins or who always want more and more.Stay away from those who worship statues of gods or who tell lies about others.Stay away from those who get drunk or who cheat.don't even eat with people like that.
---Anthony on 1/30/08|
Paul was not talking about unbelivers.
He was talking about apostates - people who claimed to be believers, but were engaging in behaviors that were manifestly unacceptable. (This was part of the "shunning" process).
---StrongAxe on 1/29/08|
the anwser is no ,, paul said him self about eatting with with such,,1cor5:9-13,,, well note in v11 paul said with such a one no not eat,,,were not to be yoked up with un belivers, so we need ot be carefull betwen fellowship and witnessing
---joe on 1/26/08|
Ah, Jesus ate with sinners. As long as we are not allowing to to influnce us to sin, there is no problem with eating with them. If you are not around them, how is your light going to shine?
---Daniel_Marsh on 1/25/08|
Man is Not equal, You are either a Lamb or a Goat & you know what happens to the Goats!
God measures a man by his FAITH,
God has his favorites & he knows whos closest to his heart.
Lest your Righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees you will NOT enter the Kingdom of God. I THINK THIS SAYS IT ALL,You BETTER be MORE RIGHTEOUS than the Pharisees were or YOU ain't making it!!!
I would read-up on the Pharisees & Don't be as they are.YLBD
---Duane_M on 1/25/08|
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If it has'nt been sacrificed unto an Idol when being prepared & you give thanks & ask God to Bless it! Nothing is unclean that God has Blessed.
Pharisses were so caught up in the Letter of the Law(Legalist), They COULD'NT even recognise the Lord when he came unto them.
However, they did believe in the Ressurection of the Dead, Nicodemus,Paul(saul), Joseph of Aremathea were all Pharisees at one time in their lives too.YLBD
---Duane_M on 1/25/08|
Ha, ha, Elder, that was funny.++
---catherine on 1/25/08|
One must understand WHAT the Pharisees thought and believed. Though they "studied" the O.T. Scriptures, they did not understand what they said. If they'd known the Scriptures, they would have recognized YAHUSHUA (Jesus Christ) when He came. But, they REJECTED the Messiah that the Scriptures foretold about. They had a wrong perception of LOVE, MERCY, SIN and HOLINESS. YES! Saints may eat with sinners. It's the ones who CALL themselves "Saints" but, are REPROBATES that we are to avoid!
---Gordon on 1/25/08|
Last week my wife and I were invited for lunch at a hotel by a Muslim Ambassador and there were other Muslim Ambassadors.
We enjoyed our meal and we didn't speak about beliefs but enjoyed conversing and joking together.
---Caring on 1/25/08|
Jesus had no problem eating with prostitutes and extortionists (tax collectors). Should we be "holier" than he was?
---StrongAxe on 1/25/08|
Love the sinner, hate the sin.
---HEARTY on 1/24/08|
oh yes, we gotta go to them ,not sit back and wait.jesus did.are we different than our lord?
---tom2 on 1/24/08|
My son played in a Country Band and had the band members to our house to practice and also to any dinners,social get-to-gathers we had,I never said no. I got to know them and they knew I am a Christian,and sometimes I would get to talk with them about using their talent for God instead. Some have died by now but I hope the little seed I planted took effect before they did. Jesus ate with snners,thats good enough for me. You can't win souls,reach the lost, just sitting in the Amen corner at church.
---Darlene_1 on 1/24/08|
If you are a trained preacher, yes, you might want to do that...but otherwise....why should we put ourselves in the hot seat to be mocked and cursed in front of? We are merely provoking the unbelievers. I say normal believers should have nothing to do with them. I think that is written in the Bible more than once. However, when I was a Catholic, I learnt a lot by mixing with non-Catholics. Not all the non-Catholics were saved. You could see it from the way they treated me as an outcast.
---frances on 1/24/08|
Of course we should sit with sinners, eat with them, fellowship with them. How else can we as Christians share the word of God with them. Also, keep in mind, we are all sinners, just because we (I) have accepted Jesus Christ as my savior and been baptized dose not make me a pure person. Any way that we as Christians can lead a lost person to Christ, we are bound to do so.
---LARRY on 1/24/08|
It would shock people if they saw us eating with republicans and sinners.
---InimicusStultitiae on 1/24/08|
Of course we should.We are to be as much like Jesus as possible.You can't win sinners to the Lord unless you associate with them.
---shirley on 1/24/08|
Jesus ate with them. But not for fellowship. I believe it was to teach and win them. On the other hand, Paul, when addressing the Church, said this about those who are supposed christians:
1Co 5:11 " But now I have written to you, not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator or covetous or a server of idols or a railer or a drunkard or an extortioner: with such a one, not so much as to eat."
---john on 1/24/08|
mima, the way you phrased this question cracked me up because you said, "should we as Christians receive sinners, etc.?" Did God, in while we were yet sinners receive us?
Not only that, Christians are sinners, but most of them are repentent of their sins, the rest of them either deny they've sinned or justify it. Sad, but true.
---Donna on 1/24/08|
It all depends on what's cooking..........
---Elder on 1/24/08|
The answer to Mima's question is the the verses that follow the one he quoted. We can never help unbelievers by avoiding them but there is a limit to how we should be involved with them. As fast as we are trying to pull them up the devil will be using them to try to drag us down.
---RitaH on 1/24/08|
Oh definitely, but I wouldn't tell them they're a sinner at the lunch table lol! :D Seriously, though, the biggest turn-offs in the church are those whose hat size is a bit huge, and people that do that only push people away from Christianity. Jesus loves ALL of us and if He can treat us as equals, we certainly need to. :)
---Mary on 1/24/08|
The answer, obviously, is in your question Mima. How can anyone call themself Christian & not be Christ-like? Unfortunately it happens all the time, doesn't it?
---Leon on 1/24/08|