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Guilty Of Law Violation

Are people who insist on keeping the law guilty of violation of this?" For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God".

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 ---mima on 1/24/08
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Gal 3:23-25 Now before the time for this trusting faithfulness came, we were imprisoned in subjection to the system which results from perverting the Torah unto legalism, kept under guard until this yet-to-come trusting faithfulness would be revealed. Accordingly, the Torah functioned as a custodian until the Messiah came, so that we might be declared righteous on the ground of trusting and being faithful. But now that the time for this trusting faithfulness has come, we are no longer under a custodian.
---Gophylan on 3/26/08

You also need to take and read those verses in context as well as just pulling them out of the scriptures. To often, we find a verse that says what we want it to say in itself, but when read in context had a different meaning. Romans 10:4 - CJB Translation - For the goal at which the Torah amis is the Messiah, who offers righteousness to everyone who trusts.
---Gophylan on 3/26/08

So, you are saying that it is ok for Chritians to have other gods, we can make graven images and bow down before them aNd that G-d, being a JeaLous G-d will not do anything to you, to take the name of the L-rd in vain, to for get the Sabbath, it is ok that we no longer honor our mother and our father, it is ok to murder, commit adultry, bear false witness and covet what others have. HOW ABOUT THAT!!!!! No wonder we are in such desperate spiritual condition!
---Gophylan on 3/26/08

The key to understanding this issue is knowing that the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel,not to Christians.None of the Old Testament law applies to us today.When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4, Galatians 3:23-25, Ephesians 2:15).
---Court7646 on 2/28/08

God's righteousness IS the LAW (Ten Commandments), our righteousness is when we use are salvation as a license to sin.
---Leslie on 1/29/08

The world's first Bill of Rights: 1.God's right to exclusive Allegiance. 2.God's right to self-definition. 3.God's right to proper representation by His people. 4.God's right to His people's time. 5.My parents right to respect. 6.My neighbor's right to life. 7.My neighbor's right to a secure marrage. 8.My neighbor's right to personal property. 9.My neighbor's right to an honest hearing in court. 10.My neighbor's right to secure existence in the community.
---catherine on 1/28/08

What guilt has to do with the price of rice according to your theology?
You said in the "Ashamed of Your Sins" blog:
"This speaks to the Christians to whom God will not impute( charge to our ccounts)
sins.--- and this(not imputing sin to us) keeps us from being accountable for our sins. Hence our ability to live in sin without the accountability of that sin.
---Mima on 1/22/08"
---Nana on 1/26/08

Why ask? According to your statement 1/22/08, a Christian, by not "being
accountable" can sin or sin not. So then, he can follow or not follow whatever
he pleases without need for guilt. A man who is not accountable has no
responsibility whatsoever. I know an elder man of long standing here (CN),
and also a lady of long standing here, both highly respected by all for their
wisdom who have many times advised: "You have to take responsibility for
your actions"
---Nana on 1/26/08

I totally agree with them and I believe that we all should. There is no approval
in me for your antics, but it matters not at all, for no one can hold you
---Nana on 1/26/08

James 2:12 Says we are to be under the law of liberty in order to escape judgement. Nevertheless, we are all taught to obey what God says to us. It is those who are under the law, not those who insisit on keeping it that will be judged by it. People who insist on keeping it are not all under the law. Many of them do believe in Jesus as their righteousness. According to Rom2:12, The ones who believe in the righteousness of the law are the ones under it and will be judged by it.
---john on 1/25/08

Yeah, mima, I would say so. No law can make people love. And if you are busy with paying attention to micro-dictatorial details of a religious law, this can decoy our attention away from God and sharing with Him so we have Your Example of how to be in love...with "faith working through love" (in Galatians 5:6). So, even faith can be a way of establishing our own righteousness. Only God's love can make us really right (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/25/08

If you want to live under OT law, remember that anyone with a physical or mental defect was forbidden from ministering to others in any capacity.
---Mark on 1/25/08

Mima ... rather a blanket thought?
I know you are not saying that we don't have to keep the 7th Commandment, but it could be read so!
I don't think I am "establishing my own righteousness by treating other people properly" I can't leqver that to God! The wold would be even worse than it is, if Christians just rested on their laurels and did not do God's will.
---alan_of_UK on 1/25/08

1. Mima I hope I've understood your question correctly. Are you asking if, by obeying man-made laws we sometimes break God's laws? If so, the answer is often YES. We are told to obey the law of the land in which we live as long as it does not contradict God's laws (which they sometimes do). This is when we must obey God and disobey authority. In many countries now abortion is allowed, so is 'gay marriage' etc.
---RitaH on 1/25/08

2. Political correctness in U.K. (and possibly elsewhere) now makes it near impossible to oppose the laws that are against God's laws and, as time goes on we should expect to see many Christians imprisoned for their faith because of man-made laws that we cannot accept or because of matters where we must speak out. We no longer have the free speech that used to be so precious here. I apologise if this is not what you were asking.
---RitaH on 1/25/08

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