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Does God Make Us Rich

Is it the will of God for a person to be rich or poor, or is it the hands or responsibility of man to make himself better or worse?

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 ---mulligan on 1/29/08
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Linda, some insightful words...especially like the richess of HIS grace, HIS mercy, HIS glory...all about HIM!!!
---Christina on 4/8/08

For we know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ who, though He were rich, yet for our sakes He became poor that we, through His poverty might be made rich.

And God is able to make all grace abound that you, having all sufficiency for all things, may abound unto every good work.

Grace is involved here. One who understands that it is God's abounding grace that brings sufficiency and abundance for every good work will have no problem giving it away.
---Linda on 4/1/08

However, the one who thinks he has "earned" what he has will hoard it all in greed. Paul speaks of the riches of His mercy, the riches of His grace, the riches of liberality, and the riches of His glory. Those "riches" and "wealth" will bring the necessary finances to continue the expression. When I give something to someone, it is by the riches listed above.
---Linda on 4/1/08

Even as I give, those riches increase and thats requires a manifestation of financial increase to match the increase in my heart. It works from the inside out, starting "underground" (in the spirit) where it is not seen to sprouting "aboveground" where it is witnessed by all. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
---Linda on 4/1/08

Deuteronomy ch 28 tell us it is God who gives us the power to get wealth. We prepare ourselves through education,jobs/careers and knowledge(investments,giving into kingdom work,offerings etc..) and God will bless what we do. We cannot just sit around praying and hoping something fall into our laps. No way. Take the Lord as our business partner and work diligently and look for opportunites to increase our finances and we will be blessed. Saved or unsaved. Diligent work,investments and so forth pays off.
---Robyn on 2/11/08

Wealth lies in the hands of the person working. If a person doesn't work, they won't get nowhere in life, and be broke. If that person makes something of themselves, they can be set money wise. If a person is wealthy but is irresponsible with their money, they don't need the money to begin with. But God does make one rich or poor, that is man's decision.
---Rebecca_D on 2/11/08

#1 It's both. But not everyone has the same lot in life. For instance, it would be hard for a mentally handicapped person to generate millions. They couldn't handle what it would require mentally. Also, I know an evangelist from Russia who works to save up money for missions trips. He has been to Afghanistan, Iraq, and many other dangerous places to preach the gospel (often by himself). I've never seen a man so sold out to Christ. Earthly treasures are never on his mind.
---j._nonymous on 2/11/08

#2 However, if it were not for people in the states with money to send him, he would not fare as well. We all have a part to play. We all have resources to use. What ever little or much you have should be used to the glory of God. That includes money, intelligence, talent, connections, relationships, music, whatever.
---j._nonymous on 2/11/08

As a financial counsultant, people chose to be poor. I help educate people how money works. People really tend to focus on the material things. Focus on God nd others often changes people's wealth for the better.
---dan on 2/5/08

to steveng - they why do pastors decide to be rich than poor? christianpost wrote an article that a pastor's average salary is $7800 nearly equivalent to a CEOs. they have luxury cars & they they do not need to struggle with finding a job. that is 'not trusting to riches?'
---mikehow on 2/5/08

It's the responsibility of man to do the best with what he is given.

This may be a lot, or it may be a little.

But those with a lot are expected to do more for their brethern than those with less--a widow may be honored for her mite, but the wealthy are expected to give more, both in time and money.

But everyone is expected to make the best of ones talents, be they talents of ability or talents of silver.
---Nancy on 2/4/08

to steveng - yes, I saw him on TV & those where the words he used, "I chose to be rich than poor..."
---mulligan on 2/4/08

Money does not ever really belong to us, it is entrusted to us. If we gave it all away just to be poor, we would not be able to meet our commitments. We can only do real good for others if we have enough money. Having said that, Christians seem to have a tough time succeeding in a world run by the devil and his legions.
---frances on 2/3/08

"I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

But not impossible.

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

But not impossible - that's why the word "easier."

When a wealthy person knows his place with God, he won't trust in his worldly riches.
---Steveng on 2/3/08

Mulligan, I went to Jubilee one time about 15 years ago. I heard the pastor speak and found his words according to Scripture the church was great with super nice people. I read your answer, and didn't really get what you said. Did you say the pastor at Jubilee agreed with Joel on choosing to be rich, are was he comparing the two? Meaning Joel was wrong. Joel is very smooth with words and if some don't pay attention he mixes things that are not true. I always take notes on what they say. Just wondering.
---Mark_V. on 2/3/08

Read Proverbs 23 verses 4 and 5.
---RitaH on 2/3/08

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the riches mentioned most in scripture are not of this world,they are spiritual.but as jesus said . you cant serve 2 masters does money rule your spirit?are you ruled by your portfolio?your possessions?your money?
---tom2 on 2/1/08

Wealth is relative. To a person living on social security, a person making $50,000 would be considered rich. To that person making $50,000, a person making $100,000 would be considered rich. It is God's will that we live for HIM and that the money that we do receive is not more important than the Lord. I know many poor people who are that way because they have no motivation to better themselves. And I know many rich people who have no desire to know the Lord until they need something from HIM.
---Susie on 2/1/08

to mulligan - if a pastor chose to be rich, then is that a person 'whose heart is where your treasure is?'
---mikehow on 2/1/08

First of all who wants to be poor? God can and does and will make some of His people RICH. A man or a woman of God can not make themselves rich. When you are truly saved everything changes. Everything rests on God.
---catherine on 2/1/08

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depends on if you let god use your wealth to help peopkle.look at the parable of the rich man and lazarus.
---tom2 on 1/31/08

I was reading the bible yesterday and i came upon this interesting verse..
"9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich." thats NIV, NASB says basically the same thing. The word rich in greek, means an outward richess not inward riches of our soul. Interesting but please take it in context w/ all the other money verses.
---mark_B on 1/31/08

I believe God blesses His people when we are obedient and faithful to Him. On the other hand he blesses whom he chooses, saved as well as the unsaved. There are many unsaved people who, through lying and cheating has become rich and powerful, along the way. There are many crooked, supposedly, saved people(including preachers etc..) who has lied and fleeced the people for their money and other possessions, who have become rich and powerful.Money is not the only gauge we use to determine if we are rich.
---Robyn on 1/31/08

pt 1 - I saw this sunday service at Jubilee in San Jose & the pastor Rick Bernal was giving a message & said that he read joel osteen's book regarding 'prosperity & being rich.' he said that 'he chose to be RICH than poor.' so he made a conscious decision to be rich.
---mulligan on 1/31/08

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pt2 - another scenario was a person in the middle east was interviewed & he said 'we are poor' & if that is god's will so be it.
One has chosen to be better but another has chosen to be controlled by some fool's teachings.
---mulligan on 1/31/08

rich or poor?better or worse?worldly rich?or spiritually rich?what do you believe makes a person rich?are you better off rich,or at peace?
---tom2 on 1/31/08

Good question, Mulligan...I hope you are here to join in this discussion, so we can see you some more (o:

A favorite prosperity saying of mine is, how one minute in God's love with a real Christian lady is more prosperity for me, than all the gold and silver of a billion universes could come close to being (((o:

"Because Your lovingkindness is better than life,
My lips shall praise You." (Psalm 63:3)

It's not having wealth, but **identifying** it???
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/29/08

Riches should never be gauged to money only. I can be very rich and not have much money or physical possessions. It is the will of God that we prosper and it is from him that our prosperity comes. We do what we can and let God do the rest. I do have a responsibility in this because if I don't want to work then I am going to be in poverty.
---john on 1/29/08

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Rich or poor, better or worse.

Where your heart is there will be your treasure also.

If you think rich makes you better, may I remind of H.Hefner. Rich. Better?

Does God make H.Hefner rich?
---Cindy on 1/29/08

God said man would put his hands to plow and that the workman is worthy of his wages.
Lazy folks that do not work, have little to show for laziness.
But there are rich lazy folks that have alot to show, overpaid celebrities and such. Some of them end up in rehab and some never make it in to rehab. They're rich, are they better?
---Cindy on 1/29/08

There are rich televangelists and rich preachers, are they better?
Some people's blessings are other people's flimflam, fleece the sheep schemes.
I don't care if they do build a marble outhouse, if you're taking money from the sheep, are you better?
---Cindy on 1/29/08

A marble outhouse or a wooden one.
It's all goes down the drain, and you can't take your money with you.
It's better to store your treasure up in heaven, but we still need to be productive, pay our bills and take care of families, others.
---Cindy on 1/29/08

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