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Foolish Arguements A Waste

The Bible commands us to avoid "foolish" arguments. The problem I have is that it sometimes takes me a long time to finally understand that a "conversation" is really one of those "foolish" arguments. Is there some way to discern things more quickly?

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Cindy ... I know you think I am MikeM and not a male at all, nor live inthe UK, but are you now saying I am 148 other people as well?
---alan_of_UK on 3/28/08

Yes, I'm not a seeker of the friendly or driven with purpose or mission to promote multi-cultural/political relativism or the other isms.

Christianity is controversial and it motivates others to use about 150 names to rise or rail against one that does not believe in isms, purpose, soul sleep, all of those other things. I am not moved to respond to those cyclic type of tactics, arguments.
---Cindy on 3/25/08


At last count, I've replied to two of your rather controversial blog posts.

I've come to the conclusion that you like to start up foolish arguments. That is childish and not good. Why do you do it?

Time for me to draw the line and not reply to anymore "Cindy Logs". Goodbye!
---sag on 3/25/08

The 85 word limit is great. You can reply more than once, but it puts the halt on 35 replies in a row. Without moderation, it would really get out of hand.

I no longer address any particular name, that works for me. It stops the cyclic arguments that accomplish little.
---Cindy on 3/25/08

Satan can somehow trap us into this. WHAMMO!! You find yourself in a full scale almost it seems WAR. With words.>>>When you grow some, you will learn just AS I am learning: You might try to state your claim and leave the room. They can let themselves out. On the phone say, "well, I have to go" >>>On these here blogs. I will give it to you just like God gave it to me. "STEP BACK AND THEN GO BACK". I do not believe that's in the Bible. God said it anyways.
---catherine on 3/24/08

Speaking and discussing the Truth of God's Word is never a foolish argument, for God's Truth/message of God's Word is not foolish...only foolishness to those who are perishing.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
---Holly4jc on 3/23/08

foolishness is not living a obidient life in submission to jesus and his teachings.foolishness is living a life where your motives are based on your flesh,and worldly possessions rather than the word.
---tom2 on 3/22/08

You can always tell by watching/seeing the EMOTION of the person seeking "silly"/useless/senseless/unproductive controversy (productive controversy/discussion serves a useful purpose). Silly controversy will start with a confusing/loaded question, partial statement, or partial question.
---greg on 3/22/08

If the person has a smug smile on their face (happy that they are carrying out their scheme) or they are presenting a scenario (their own line of reasoning), impatient to hear you finish saying what you have to say, it is "silly". If they are anxious or upset that it's not turning out the way they want, you will see that in their facial expressions.
---greg on 3/22/08

They'll ask you an irrelevant and nosy question in order to discover how to cause more controversy. They want to CAUSE (control freak narcissism)happiness, sadness,excitement...ANYTHING. they want ATTENTION.

So, you love the truth (OBJECTIVE truth), they don't,...they like SUBJECTIVE truth.
2 Thessalonians 2:10.
---greg on 3/22/08


Right. I tend to quote single verses on point (due to the 85-word limit) but I generally look at the context (usually the whole chapter)
---StrongAxe on 2/19/08

StrongAxe, Amen. Many people today do not "study" the scriptures, and wrongly misinterpret and misapply them, which results in misguidance and falsehood. I suggest to readers to first be in the Holy Spirit when reading the Bible. And if they have a question about any particular verse, then they should always read at least 5 verses before and 5 verses after the verse in question (and sometimes more) in order to obtain the correct meaning.
---Eloy on 2/19/08


That was preciesly my point. When things seem to be contradictory, there is often a deeper, larger truth that encompasses both of them.
---StrongAxe on 2/19/08

.strongaxe, Contextual criticism is very important, the word of God must be kept it it's context in order to understand the correct truth the word is conveying. Many things on the surface may "seem" to contradict each other, but upon closer examination we find perfect harmony and symmetry and truths which compliment each other.
---Eloy on 2/16/08

I've learned that the worst thing to end up arguing about is remarriage. In order to avoid "offending" anyone, and avoid wasting my own time, I just follow Jesus' example in Matthew 5:37. I just say NO to remarriage.
---sag on 2/15/08

I thought most of the responses here were very sharp (as in right on)


my view on a foolish arguement (minus scripture) is an argument where feeling is introduced (usually anger) where one (or both) parties have restorted to other means to make their point most often judging pointing condeming ...where discussion has turned hostile (sometimes very subtle) someone already wrote (especially when discussing Gods Word) practice makes perfect...
---Rhonda on 2/14/08

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I am not trying to mix truth and lie. Perhaps the example I chose was overly simplistic (because of this silly 85-word limit).

My point was, that there are many places where scriptures give different and seemingly contradictory views on a subject. You can't just pick your favorite - you have to look at them all together, and see what that means.
---StrongAxe on 2/14/08

strongaxe, The first scriptures you quoted are on nondisciples using Jesus' name to cast out demons, and Jesus' disciples told Jesus objecting to the nonfollowers using his name, and Jesus said, let them alone because they are doing good works. Your 2 set of sciptures was Jesus' rebuke to those saying Jesus was casting out demons by the power of Satan, which is blasphemy, and also impossible for Satan to cast out Satan, and Jesus told them you are either doing my works or you are not.
---Eloy on 2/12/08

strongaxe, The first scriptures you quoted are on nondisciples using Jesus' name to cast out demons, and Jesus' disciples told Jesus objecting to the nonfollowers using his name, and Jesus said, let them alone because they are doing good works. Your 2nd set of sciptures was Jesus' rebuke to those saying Jesus was casting out demons by the power of Satan, which is blasphemy, and also impossible for Satan to cast out Satan, and Jesus told them you are either doing my works or you are not.
---Eloy on 2/12/08

.strongaxe, your axe needs sharpening, because whenever you mix truth with lie, you will always end up with lie, and never any full truth. Pure truth is just that, it is not taking snipets of scripture out of context and putting them together to maufacture your own brand of truth, because it will always be proven to be just that, a fabricated lie. That is the work of the devil's advocate, and not any child of God. Turn to the Lord, and get a new axe, and I promise you you will not be disappointed.
---Eloy on 2/12/08

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Eloy: (1)

The Bible often provides constrasting perspectives on an issue. However, people tend to only quote the parts that agree with thier pet theories. I often play "devil's advocate" to show the other side, for the full picture.

This is the method of Dialectic ("two words"),
you take two seemingly opposing thoughts ("thesis" and "antithesis", and arrive at a new truth "synthesis" from them.)
---StrongAxe on 2/12/08

Eloy: (2)

For example:

Luke 9:50 (also Mark 9:40)
"And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us."

Luke 11:23 (also Matthew 12:30):
"He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth"

Everyone is either for him or against him, nobody is neutral.
---StrongAxe on 2/12/08

Ask Jesus in prayer specifically for this discernment. Because there are some whom delight in this type of opposing rhetoric, where you say Yes and they will say No, and when you say No they will say Yes, simply just to argue.
---Eloy on 2/11/08

Cindy ... No smoke in my ears, I'm afraid.
I've given you another vote ... you make my day when you say these things!
---alan_of_UK on 2/11/08

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Those who speak in a way that opposes or is contrary to Christ in you, your hope of glory, will violate the divine law of love though judgment, criticism, accusations and condemnation. Consider this, within the attempt to justify self or even worship the Father through self effort, is a deception, full of untruth and vanity. It distorts our focus and perverts the chosen way, leading to a way of speaking, and actions, that are not only an abomination to the LORD, its futile and frivolous . Cont
---josef on 2/10/08

Pt.2 However within the embracing of integrity, truth, mercy, peace and grace, and a willingness to extend it towards others, there shall be a reward of certainty, trustworthiness and stability. Trusting the Father's guidance and reflecting His love, produces a rest from self effort, vanity and self assertiveness, which are the primary promoters of an argument. It take two to argue. A willingness to Listen, discerns the foolish and futile. He who argues with the argumentative will himself appear foolish.
---josef on 2/10/08

Pt.3 A soft answer turns away wrath, but grievous words stirs up anger. A calm whispered reply as a response to anger, causes the angered one to consider themselves and refrain their actions. However, a harsh, cutting response causes the anger to escalate. A wrathful man, prone to aggressive anger, causes arguments and fights. Contrarily, a man who is slow to anger keeps his composure, is quiet and at rest in the mist of a disagreement. Be slow to speak, but quick to listen.
---josef on 2/10/08

When people argue SOLELY for the point of arguing, or stirring up strife, or of stroking their ego and proving to everybody else how "smart" they ar, and are not interested at all in teaching or learning, then the argument is a total waste of everybody's time. Such arguments should be avoided.
---StrongAxe on 2/10/08

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Do you argue with people when you're off the blogs or only when it's safe, while blogging?
I suppose we could consider all arguments here to be a waste of tapping fingers, turn off the computer and blow the smoke off of our hands. But then, I couldn't see Alan blow smoke out of Alan's ears anymore.
Listening is the best way to discern, a good listener.
---Cindy on 2/9/08

Prevention - - (1) do what God has you doing, so you don't even get into the situation with the person who will lure you into an argument. (2) Stay prayerfully submissive with God, so you can't get in a struggling and controlling spirit which has to be heard out and get in the last word > then, if the person takes over, listen and learn and maybe draw the person out and then **offer** what can help...what has helped you.
---Bill_bila5659 on 2/9/08

(3) "swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath" (in James 1:19) . . . go for the relationship, listen so you can know your enemy and listen for God's input while the person conducts a one-way argument, perhaps, without you (o: , and bring in that input, simply **sowing** it > just make sure they hear it, without trying to make them accept it, God can use it.
---Bill_bila5659 on 2/9/08

(4) "submitting to one another in the fear of God." (Ephesians 5:21) > make sure you stay prayerful so **you** can be mutually submissive in relating, and do not go along with a anyone who takes over. If a brother or sister starts to lead into a foolish or one-way conversation, you can confront this, maybe make an agreement that you will catch each other, another time, if either of you slip up.
---Bill_bila5659 on 2/9/08

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(5) I can get in stupid conversations in my imagination, Gregory (o: I don't need anybody else's help. But I now am better at noticing how I am becoming in my spirit as I get into stupid, paranoid stuff, and not trust whatsoever I am thinking while I am stinking (o: And just dump that stuff, trust God to flush Satan's filth to the flaming sewer. Like this, you can learn to spot how your spirit becomes when a conversation even starts to lure you away from God's peace and love.
---Bill_bila5659 on 2/9/08

Our discernment increases as we give more of our life to the Lords Word and nothing else.
---Shawn.M.T on 2/8/08

Chose your battles. That has been said to me. And it is true when you are in one or more at one time. Very draining on you both and costly to repare relations with little time. Chose what is most important. No person can handle 3-5 neggatives coming at them. Chose 1 at a time and 1st check to see if you are somewhere doing the same thing or have. Be mercyful.if you can not stay calm...let it go for now.
---Linda3939 on 2/8/08

Proverbs 25:9 NAS
ARGUE your case with your neighbor, And do not reveal the secret of another,
Isaiah 43:26 NAS
"Put Me in remembrance , let us ARGUE our case together , State your cause, that you may be proved right .
Acts 23:9 NAS
And there occurred a great uproar , and some of the scribes of the Pharisaic party stood up and began to ARGUE heatedly , saying , "We find nothing wrong with this man , suppose a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?"
---j._nonymous on 2/8/08

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The good things is, you are realzing it at some point. Practice makes perfect. However, though some things are not worth arguing over, others are most definitely. For instance, pro-life vs. pro-choice has been a continual argument in the U.S. since 1973. Imagine if all the pro-life people just stopped arguing because they thought ALL argument is foolish. What would be the outcome? At least, with an opposing voice, things can be kept more in check than if we didn't argue at all.
---j._nonymous on 2/8/08

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