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Caveman Before Adam

Were there cavemen on earth before Adam and Eve? If not, how did cavemen originate? I can't see man going from Adam to the caveman.

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I do not agree with your statement saying that Cain married a beast in the land of Nod.You just stated that beasts have no soul.Without souls the creature is a mere animal.Did you say Cain married an animal?
---earl on 4/5/09

Cavemen were created before, they were the beasts created as it is mentioned that all animals creeping crawling and flying, even cattle, cavemen were without souls, Cain killed Abel and then dwelt in the lan of Nod where he met a beast and pro-created from there, their offspring multiplied and so forth
---Justin on 4/5/09

look up nephilim / neanderthal
---tommy on 3/13/09

Frances don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Because evolutionists link dinosaurs to millions of years doesn't mean they're millions of years old! It's their story.

The quote below is solid evidence dinosaurs were around recently.

'It was exactly like looking at a slice of modern bone. But, of course, I couldnt believe it. I said to the lab technician , The bones, after all, are 65 million years old. How could blood cells survive that long?'
Mary Schweitzer Montana state University. Museum of the Rockies, Science 261:260, July 9, 1994

She's confused only because she's an evolutionist 'knowing' the bones are 65myo.

The obvious conclusion is that the bone isn't millions but thousands of years old!
---Warwick on 1/23/09

If dinosaurs were in existance millions of years ago, they would all by now be mush (oil). If they were only thousands of years old, then why did nobody discover the bones until around 150 to 200 years ago. Suddenly they were discovered on the SURFACE or very near. Of course the flood meant that sediments mean nothing age wise, since the heaviest particals go to the bottom. By contrast, there is tons of evidence (literally) that giants were the first builders on our planet - by builders I mean very large structures such as will be noted in Egypt, South America, and England as well as many other places.
---frances008 on 1/23/09

Warwick, because of hoaxes like Piltdown Man, and because Richard Owen was not liked by a single person, and because there are no stories or pictures of dinosaurs in folklore (there are many of giants and alien like creatures) and because the only evidence we have is often plaster cast copies of 'bones found' which could be from any animal, I have doubted a lot of the finds. Also, because they use dinosaurs to claim the world is millions of years old. HOWEVER, I am a believer that there was a genetic event which threatened to pollute the gene pool and destroy mankind. So I believe there were a generation of pre-flood creatures (the book of Enoch). I believe the truth has been covered up.
---frances008 on 1/22/09

Warwick, my views are not set in stone, and I don't claim to know as much as you on this particular subject. I am trying to get through the lies to the next level of truth. Sorry if I am a bit behind you. I believe fallen angels (no longer angels) fornicated with humans and animals and this resulted in a lot of monsters being born. However, there is very little (almost no) talk in the Bible of these so I believe there were not thousands of such beasts but only a few hundred at the most. Probably a lot less. As for impartial evidence, sorry but my trust has been destroyed. I am however convinced of radio halos proving the world to be made only thousands, not millions of years ago.
---frances008 on 1/22/09

Frances the fossilized remains, drawings and eye-witness reports of massive reptillian creatures existed long before Owen. He simply coined a name for these creatures.

I have previously given you references where you can read reports and see drawings and carvings of 'dinosaurs' but you rejected them without having a look.

I suggested you see photos of brass plate reliefs in an English church but as I remember you rejected these because you had no respect for that denomination!

To anyone interested I suggest reading the book 'After the Flood' by Bill Copper. It covers a number of issues including drawings and reports of what we call dinosaurs. You will see that it is sober work from a well qualified Christian.
---Warwick on 1/22/09

Apart from a few hermits and poor people, or those in the famous cave dwellings which are now even hotels in Turkey, men have never been cave dwellers. It is all part of the myth that passes as the truth to the dumbed down teachers and children. Even Darwin (a freemason) said humans never co-existed with dinosaurs. The lack of drawings in caves is one reason. We never heard of dinosaurs before Richard Owen came along. Sorting out the truth from the lies is a lifetime's work. We have a small window of opportunity with the internet not being entirely controlled at the moment. The Egyptian/Greek philosophies are responsible for a lot of atheistic ideas. Satan has been deceiving for thousands of years.
---frances008 on 1/21/09

The fact that people lived in caves and drew pictures of their environment on the cave walls does not prove they were inferior beings or half men. Neither does it prove they lived before Adam. Skulls found and declared to be from *Early Man* have repeatedly been found to be frauds. Many deformities cause strange skull structure. Also consider the debate regarding the accuracy of Carbon Dating.

We have no idea how many eons Adam lived in the garden of Eden. After all the day he died turned out to be almost a thousand years.
---David on 1/21/09

No one can truly know. Faith is irrelevant, because God hasnt asked you to believe either way.
The best you can do is honor God by respecting the ultimate truth of His Word when rationalizing what we can see and touch. God never asks us to deny the existence of the tangible, so the truth lies in the reconciliation of His word and our physical reality. When you allow yourself to understand that our natural is always a byproduct of His super-natural, not a contradiction to it, then you will understand.
---Mike on 6/4/08

Genesis 19:30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him, and he dwelt in a cave, .

Genesis 19:34 the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay last night with my father: this night you go in, and lie with him, that we may preserve descendants of our father.

Ge 19:37
And the firstborn bore a son, and called his name Moab
Ge 19:38
And the younger, she also bore a son, and called his name Benammi:
---Exzucuh on 6/2/08

How do you explain that the cavemen came after Adam, and they were of another era?
Where is this explained anywhere?
---janet5833 on 5/30/08

Hebrews 11:3 (Through faith we understand) that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Understanding by faith is what true believers
do because it is impossible, impossible to please God without it. . And there is a group of cave men that live down the road from me they are inbred and degenerates like Lott and his two daughters offspring they were your cave men they lived in caves.
---exzucuh on 5/29/08

James if I have been of any assistance to you I am happy.

I suggest you spend some time on the site creationontheweb dot com where you will find hundreds of carefully written articles covering many important issues. We all have questions which we want answered.

Good reading.
---Warwick on 5/29/08

Thanks Ian, Todd and Warwick, I may be just a student but some day I would like to know more about all of this. I thank you for taking the time to answer me.
---james on 5/29/08

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2) As I see it the available evidence supports Genesis creation, but the secular evolutionist disagrees because he has a different bias.

No matter what you believe-evolution or Biblical creation- these are both events which happened in the past and aren't happening today so neither can be tested scientifically.

So no matter which way we go our view of our origin is held by faith. One amazing advantage of faith in Jesus is that it comes with an unbeatable eternal pension plan.
---Warwick on 5/28/08

1) James the scientific method, based on-testability, repeatability and observability-by which amazing scientific technological advances have come, was developed by creationist Christians. This true science is about what we can test in the present. We cannot test what happened in the distant past. We can investigate the evidence and speculate but cannot prove anything of the distant past by the scientific method. Facts don't speak for themselves but are interpreted through the individuals world-view.
---warwick on 5/28/08

Ian 8763 is right on the money! Keep up the good work. :-)
---Todd1 on 5/27/08

James: part one: I'm special to, God told me the same thing. He could do the same for you through his Holy Spirit. Science spends its time trying to disprove the Bible, not agree with it.
---Ian_8763 on 5/27/08

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James: part two: Adam was created at his prime age with more intelligence than all of us put together[sin ruined that], I think he could name all the animals in one day. Adam and Eve lived to be several hundred years old. They could have hundreds of children in that time, as well as their children's children. Many People! Adam was The Master, s Race from which we all come. Melatonin levels determine a person's color, but there is only one race. In Christ\Ian
---Ian_8763 on 5/27/08

catherine, what you said is interesting. Can you tell us how God actually talked to you and why He hasn't talked to me? What makes you so special? Another thing, if the Bible makes it clear that Adam was the first human, then how come science does not agree? And tell me how could Adam have named all of the creatures in one day before God made Eve? Also tell me about the 'land of many people' Cain went to? And tell me what race was Adam?
---james on 5/27/08

I think the Bible is clear that Adam was the first man ever created. The fact that some scientists say that man was around tens of thousands of years ago is all based on a radioisotope carbon dating system that is completely unreliable. There's a reason why it's called the "missing link"...because we've never found a link between apes and humans. If there were, there would be hundreds of these half monkey half man fossils to be found. It's just all speculation and theory.
---Todd1 on 5/21/08

Alan, sorry to confuse you. The Jesuits were against any kings and queens or presidents who opposed them. Anne Boleyn lost her head because she worked for the Reformation and so became a victim of their slander machinery. Henry, on the other hand decided to appease the Jesuits, valuing his life more than his faith, apparently.
---frances008 on 5/20/08

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To bad we haven't lost that Cave-Man Mentality! he he he
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/20/08

Frances ... You thoroughly confuse me now!
You say that British queens have had distaste for the Jesuits.

And yet on another blog you are currently saying that the British royal line have been and are illuminate.

Since yuo equate Illuminate and Jesuits and Freeemasons, how can queens who are illuminati have distaste for Jesuits?
---a on 5/20/08

DDM ... I meant to say yuo were too sensitive! Because you said Frances hated America and blamed yuo.
But her overall great hatred is not directed at you, but at the Freemasons, the RCC, Jesuits and illuminati.
---a on 5/20/08

Why is there so many people bent on making God out to be a liar? The first man was Adam. God told me so. Cave-men came later, and was of another era.
---catherine on 5/20/08

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You need to focus on The Book of Genesis...I haven't found anything concerning cavemen in there, as of yet...
Adam was the very first man and always will be...and Eve was the first woman...
They are our original Parents...and they are the very reason why mankind is born with a sin nature...
---Elisabeth on 5/20/08

Duane_Dudley_Martin and to Everyone:

"I told her months ago"

You have warned her once. You have warned her twice. It's written that after the second warning, we should turn our backs to her and don't bring yourself down to her level - from where she is sitting on her own pedestal.
---Steveng on 5/19/08

alan_of_UK: DDM ... The greatest hates are for the Jesuits tje RCC, fhe Feemasons and illuminati "

Forget about these people. They may kill the body, but not the soul. Fear the one who can kill the body AND the soul - God. These people you speak of are only puppets on a string with Satan manipulating the strings. The end time events are going to happen no matter who you blame.

Hear me. Christians are only to preach the truth - the Kingdom of God and how to get there.
---Steveng on 5/19/08

My distaste for the Jesuits who are condemning many people to Hell, who also kill any nonCatholics, in the name of Christ, and who turn the truth into lies and vice versa, is shared by most honorable people right down through the centuries, including US presidents and British queens. Only those who do the studying would come to these conclusions. Those who prefer their own opinions to the truth would never agree.
---frances008 on 5/19/08

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I feel blessed to be attacked because Jesus said Jump for joy when you are persecuted, for that is what they did to the prophets. We cannot be friends with the world and friends with God. Therefore the world will hate true believers. Therefore they will attack them with slander, calumny, and even try to murder Christians. Thanks for proving my Christianity, I continue to wear the belt of truth for by it many who love the lies 2 Thess 2 are exposed.
---frances008 on 5/19/08

Alan_I'm not here to be "sensitive" to those that lead the Children of God Astray.
Especially to a New Christian that might be reading this Stuff and BE Deceived IT!
God will Justify MY Actions & Words,
I have Faith in the Foundation I've Built upon.
I speak the Words that ARE Written, SO MY Words ARE His Words.
We Echo the VERY Words of God when We speak that which is Written Within the Bible.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/19/08

StevenQ the KJV was an excellent translation when originally produced-for 'vulgar man' to understand. Today many words in it no longer mean what they originally meant,leading to serious misundertandings.

All that's necessary is to update the archaeic words, bringing it back into line again with the texts from which it was originally translated. An example, discussed here is 'replenish', the meaning of which has turned 180 degrees leading to a serious error.
---Warwick on 5/19/08

DDM ... You are too insensitive.
The greatest hates are for the Jesuits tje RCC, fhe Feemasons and illuminati
---alan_of_UK on 5/19/08

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Thanks DDM... I work with a girl that's into all that conspiracy crap... and she's NOT a Christian. I kinda thought this would be a much safer place. I'm beginning to see that the wierdo's are everywhere.
---Cindi on 5/18/08

Warwick: "KJV only? Maybe so as long as you provide the beginner with a dictionary to explain the meaning of the many archaeic words,"

Does a young child use a dictionary to communicate with his or her parents? A somewhat intelligent person is able to catch on with the language after the first book or two. It's like learning a new laguage.

As for the KJV, I believe is the most accurate version available. Most, if ano all, translations today are taken from the KJV.
---Steveng on 5/18/08

You are quite welcome. I think that's what these blogs are suppose to be for. Some people feel better if they're arguing with people of different beliefs, but I think we can all learn from each other even if we believe a little differently.
Keep searching for God, he's all around us and we can know Him thru His word.
---Cindi on 5/17/08

Cindi, Stevenq_You'll find out about Frances008 if you stay long enough.
She HATES America & Blames Everything on it.
She's called me and others "Agents of Satan" for Not helping her W/her CONspiracy theories on 911.ECT. ECT.ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect.
I told her months ago IF she kept this up, she'd ruin her testimony for the Lord, and her words would become Nothing.
Like I said before ,She's the VERY person that shes warning everyone about, And don't even know it, I think?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/17/08

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Cindi, Steveng,

I just wanted to thank you both for your input concerning reading the bible. Hopefully we'll chat again.

---Bob on 5/16/08

steveng_read the Bible all the way through from beginning to end. Only you, the KJV bible and the Holy Spirit. You wouldn't read a chaptered novel starting at cahpter seven, then to three then to five and so forth, would you? This is how most Christians read the Bible. It's no wonder most Christians are confused.
---Steveng on 5/14/08

Thats the best advice I've heard, Praise God!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/16/08

You should notice the small things in life, spellings, and peoples' words. Listen closely to what they say. You have been deceived. That means that you listen to the lies of the devil and believe them. It is because of your conditioning. I don't know why, whether you always liked slanderers or what. Examine your conscience and find out. I speak the truth, sorry if you do not understand, but if you are blinded by the god of this world you would not get it.
---frances008 on 5/15/08

StevenQ good advice to start at the beginning. KJV only? Maybe so as long as you provide the beginner with a dictionary to explain the meaning of the many archaeic words, some of which now have the opposite meaning of that which they had when translated into English.

Genesis ch. 1 Stevenq is it historical truth? Is it a literal account of what God actually did?
---Warwick on 5/15/08

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Francis said: "You obviously have not read my posts properly but just see my name and do what the devil has told you to do, which is to discredit all truthspeakers."
I've tried to read your posts, but sometimes they are very disjointed and hard to understand where you stand. Your one post sounded like you did not believe that Satan controlled the earth. FYI, I do not converse with the Devil. Is that what you accuse everyone of that thinks differently than you??
---cindi on 5/14/08

Bob: "I'm new at reading the bible and I am some what confused."

Before you listen to what people say, especially on these blogs and in "churches," read the Bible all the way through from beginning to end. Only you, the KJV bible and the Holy Spirit. You wouldn't read a chaptered novel starting at cahpter seven, then to three then to five and so forth, would you? This is how most Christians read the Bible. It's no wonder most Christians are confused.
---Steveng on 5/14/08

Bob: "I'm new at reading the bible and I am some what confused."

In fact, start your own home church with only six people so that you don't have to be alone. Take the home church examples in the New Testament. Do a little research about home churches on the internet.
---Steveng on 5/14/08

I too use a KJV bible. But only because they put things that they added in italics. I dont' mind the old english style of writing and to me it's MUCH better than the newer translations that took all kinds of liberties with meanings of things. As for Created & Made, created means to bring into existance that which has never existed before. To make something, you simply use what is already available and MAKE things.
---Cindi on 5/14/08

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Cindi, your post makes no sense at all, since I believe the Prince of this world is Satan, and that is WHY there are so many evil conspirators. You sound very confused.
---frances008 on 5/14/08

Cindi, you talk as if you can see what I do all day. However, your cameras must be out of focus because I read the Bible as I have said many times on this forum. You obviously have not read my posts properly but just see my name and do what the devil has told you to do, which is to discredit all truthspeakers.
---frances008 on 5/14/08

I think you better go back to reading your bible instead of all the conspiracy junk. Adam turned over rulership of this earth to Satan when he disobeyed God and sinned in the Garden, losing his spirit and losing rulership of the earth. Satan himself says that to Jesus when he is tempting him on the mount. He offers him the kingdoms of the world "because they were delived to him". If you DON'T think satan has rulership of this earth, then you are in for a very rude awakening one day.
---Cindi on 5/14/08

Gang, With all the different bible translations on the market, which bible is the most accurate? Some bibles use "Creation" as others use "Made". If these bibles use different words, does the words "Creation" and "Made" mean two (2) different things? I'm new at reading the bible and I am some what confused. I am reading the King James...
---Bob on 5/14/08

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It seems that dino's pretty much exsisted, in spite of our disbelief. Darwinism does not equate to evolution. We have much to learn about the world before the flood, and most would be conjecture anyway. To make statements that what we do know is satanic is really stretching it. Dinosaur's do not prove evolution, just confuse the scientists.
---dan on 5/14/08

Steveng, I was not here, nor was here, here. There was no earth. The liars are those who believe in an old earth theory, which is completely of the devil and against the Word of God. Now go and count the number of times 'conspiracy' or 'plot' or 'plan' or 'scheme' and words like them including 'deception', occurs in the Bible.
---frances008 on 5/13/08

Steveng, you are inconsistent. If Satan is in control of this world, he is the deceiver. Therefore he plots and schemes to deceive people into believing lies. So there is a Satanic Conspiracy and I proved it this week by pointing out to folks here that there is a film exposing it on youtube, and that (film) was duly taken down without explaination before it had been up a month.
---frances008 on 5/13/08

frances008: Steveng, the fact is, Catholicism is Satanic, and the world is controlled by Satan worshippers. If you don't know that then you are sadly uninformed and need to get educated pretty quick."

On the contrary, the world is NOT controlled by Satan "worshippers," but by Satan himself for it is written that Satan is the lord of the earth.
---Steveng on 5/13/08

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frances008: "I would like to enjoy my right to free speech, but some people on this forum would like to silence me, because I can inform them of the conspiracy against Christians. Shame on them."

Why do you have it in your head that some people are trying to silence you. They are here to enlighten you to the truth. You don't have the truth in you because you talk out of one side of your mouth conspiracies and the other side your false gospel.
---Steveng on 5/13/08

frances008: "...Dinosaurs are a myth created to destroy faith in the Bible, make money in Hollywood, Disney etc. It is all mind control. The aim is to destroy not so much Christian people, as Christianity as a valid faith system."

The only person controling your mind is yourself. You are caught in the web of Satan by dividing Christianity by preacing your conspiracies and debates that can't be won. Where you there when the dinosours existed (or not existed)?
---Steveng on 5/13/08

Steveng, the fact is, Catholicism is Satanic, and the world is controlled by Satan worshippers. If you don't know that then you are sadly uninformed and need to get educated pretty quick. The fact that exposures are removed from the internet should let you know. Also, the fact that you keep discrediting truthtellers should tell everyone who you work for.
---frances008 on 5/12/08

I would like to enjoy my right to free speech, but some people on this forum would like to silence me, because I can inform them of the conspiracy against Christians. Shame on them.
---frances008 on 5/12/08

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Even Darwin, for all his lies, admitted that dinosaurs did not and could not have existed with humans. There is not evidence of this anywhere. Dinosaurs are a myth created to destroy faith in the Bible, make money in Hollywood, Disney etc. It is all mind control. The aim is to destroy not so much Christian people, as Christianity as a valid faith system.
---frances008 on 5/11/08

frances008: "God is spirit. Man is "

Jesus came to earth to preach the gospel. The good news is the Kingdom of God and how to get there. The things of God cannot be understood by man. The conspiracies and the debates that you preach can't be proven, but only cause division among Christians. Stick with the truth of the Bible. It's better for you and it's better the people who are nonChristians and it's better the people who are Christians.
---Steveng on 5/11/08

Cindi: Have you ever SEEN a spirit? Just because no man has ever seen God does not mean that He does not have physical (as well spiritual) dimension. You have never seen me, but I assure you that I have physical (as well as spiritual) dimension. The Bible (1 Tim 6:16) records that the Father dwells in unapproachable light which no man can see. That could be the reason none have seen Him.
---jerry6593 on 5/10/08

Cindi: if you check out the two creatures Leviathan and behemoth in Job 40 and 41. I am certain from God's description that they were dinosaurs. If you do make that decision, then you would have living dinosaurs on the earth after the creation. And there are many historical sightings and legends from all over the world of dinosaurs even up until the 18 hundreds. This would eliminate dinosaurs being from a pre-Adamic time. But please read it for yourself and let me know what you think. In Christ\Ian
---Ian_8763 on 5/9/08

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Man is made in the image of God. Not into a little god. We just look like God. When Adam and Eve were created they had a live spirit. This was lost when they disobeyed God. Since Adam and Eve did that, all humans are born spiritually dead. The Holy Spirit will bring them alive again spiritually. Before Christ, only special people had the Holy Spirit, but Jesus made it available to us all.
---frances008 on 5/9/08

God is spirit. Man is made in God's image ie has a spirit. The body may look like what God's spirit looks like. Our bodies are born with spirits but dead in sin, they cannot come alive until the Holy Spirit comes down on us/it. This is an invisible coming down. As soon as we admit that Jesus is the Son of God, we are filled with the Holy Spirit whether there is any manifestation or not. We become a good tree bound to bear good fruit. God is good, we become good because of faith in Jesus.
---frances008 on 5/9/08

I've already posted the scripture that says God is spirit. Had you read the post, you would know. I am not arguing, I'm also expounding the scripture. As for the image of God... try reading John 1:18, and I John 4:12. You'll learn that no man hath seen God. I wonder if it's because God is spirit??!! Ya think!!
---Cindi on 5/9/08

cindi: No, I'm expounding scripture. It is you who are arguing with scripture. Where did you get the idea that "God's image is SPIRIT. THat is the part of Adam that was CREATED in Genesis?" Certainly not from the Bible. Nowhere does it say that God's image is spirit. That's an oxymoron. Images are seen - spirits aren't.
---jerry6593 on 5/9/08

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Gen.1:1, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. John1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him and without Him was not any thing made that was made,v14the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.Jesus is the Word the became flesh and the Word in the beginning.
---melann on 5/8/08

Gen.1:26 "Let US make man in OUR own image, after OUR likeness.v27 so God created man in His Own image." God is not confused, He is said Our because of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, He said Own because They are One.
---melann on 5/8/08

Adam in the garden had all his needs met. He simply had to tend the garden God created for him. He also didn't eat meat.Gen1:30 He didn't walk out of the garden into a house,garden and clothing. God killed an animal and clothed them,Gen3:21. The ground became a curse to them. Gen3:17-19. Adam and Eve coud've been cavemen. Every generation is a little more advanced than the last.
---melann on 5/8/08

Jerry, You are arguing with the scriptures I've already quoted. Before you go to Gen. 2, you need to see Gen. 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them." God's image is SPIRIT. THat is the part of Adam that was CREATED in Genesis, be cause as it says in Genesis 2, he was FORMED of the dust of the ground and then God BREATHED into his nostrils the breath of life. And YES, that's when he became a LIVING soul.
---Cindi on 5/7/08

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We need to separate facts from propaganda and hearsay. The Bible gives us facts supported by archeologists, the television, publications, and universities specialize in mind-control for the New World Order. If you saw or heard it on television it was probably a deception of some kind. Dinosaurs, ape-men, cave-men, ice-men, all supposedly billions of years old are fiction. The Bible is the truth. Man originated from Adam and Eve.
---frances008 on 5/6/08

cindi: "I believe that the first man, made of body, soul & spirit was Adam"

You need to look a little more closely at Scripture.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL.

A soul was not injected into Adam - he was made of the combination of dust & breath of God - then he BECAME A LIVING SOUL. Big difference!
---jerry6593 on 5/6/08

If you look up Babylon, you will see that it is near or in Baghdad, and in Iraq. That is the site of the tower of Babel. Nimrod built that tower in direct rebellion against God. God destroyed it, and split us all up into various groups that speak different languages. That is why the New World Order is so evil. It is a repetition of the rebellion of Nimrod the first politician. God gave us countries and kings and sovereignity for our protection.
---frances008 on 5/5/08

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