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When one's saved, they're not necessarily set free of their sins all at once or are they? What if they're in an immoral relationship, crime, etc. Can they still be saved while still participating in that willful sin, and God is just 'working' on them? How long can same sins go on and still be saved?

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James 4:
7 SUBMIT yourselves therefore TO God. RESIST the DEVIL, and he will FLEE from YOU.

8 DRAW nigh to God, and HE will DRAW nigh to you. Cleanse your HANDS, YE sinners, and purify your HEARTS, YE double minded.

9 BE afflicted, AND mourn, AND weep: LET your laughter BE turned TO mourning, AND your joy TO heaviness.

10 HUMBLE yourselves IN the sight of the Lord, AND he shall LIFT you UP.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/17/08

What do you do when an 8yr old girl comes to play with your children and in the course of the day we find out that her and her family do not believe in God?These are beautiful ppl.They have high standards,morals,live a clean life,more so than some God believing ppl I know.
---Chestnut on 5/16/08

It is not about sin, or faith. It is about a personal relationship with the Father. Jesus did his job to close the gap between us and God now it our job to capitalize on that and finally take part in the relationship with the Father that we were created for. If you are not doing that your definition of salvation is at jeapordy. The Fathers love is perfect and he wants to share it with you.
---Joshua on 5/16/08

God reconciled the world to Himself, through Christ, NOT counting mens sins against them.
Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world.
While we were yet sinners, HE died.
Why did Christ come to this world? To do away with sin so all men could be saved.
HE came for the sinner, NOT the righteous.
He took our sins away so we could become the righteousness of God.
This is the too good to be true news.
---duane on 5/13/08

I Agree!
Salvation is first believe on the book in your hand which is Christ Jesus (the person) if you will accepted by God. Second it is from a resurrection from the dead, or dead works line item, by line item the commandments: as Christ in story form in the desert: yes, yes, or no, no on each of your thoughts per commandments of the New Testament about 250 can be listed out. Now John 14:21- hearing the prophecies of this book...
---michael on 5/13/08

Savation saves ones from the law of sin and death. Doesn't mean we are allowed to keep sinning willfully and think we are ok with God. Jesus told the women to go and sin no more. We are to strive not to sin once we are saved. We have to go to God daily and ask forgiveness of our sins and to keep ourselves in check with the Spirit. If we feel everything is ok with God and once saved always saved way of thinking, you will not make it. I do not believe once saved always saved. That isn't in the bible.
---Tammy on 5/13/08

God won't be mocked. People must bear fruit in keeping with repentance or they remain unsaved and outside of Christ's Church. Please do not offer people a safety net that is flat on the ground and then say 'Jump, you will be okay.'
---frances008 on 5/12/08

Duane, forgive me, but you talk a lot of strange doctrines. The truth is the truth, whether a person believes it or not. But if they do not believe it, they are cheating themselves.
---frances008 on 5/12/08

If everyone believed in Christ and displayed the fruits then they would be saved. The state the world is in (full of evil) is proof enough that very very few people are producing good fruits, and therefore they are not in Christ and therefore they are unsaved and sin counts against them as they will discover on Judgement Day. Only the devil wants you to believe he does not exist.
---frances008 on 5/12/08

If sin was done away with then we would not have any evil. Clearly sin is being done in great volume. People doing it are unsaved and will remain so, whatever they think, until they stop it and believe on Jesus Christ for salvation. Some effort and some knowledge is required.
---frances008 on 5/12/08

O I really like what---duane as to say about sin.
---MIMA on 5/12/08

Why is it, people think that being set free from sin comes AFTER they are saved OR asking forgiveness? Christ came to do away with sin so mankind COULD come to God and be saved through faith.
We as humans can never make ourselves be sinless enough to come before a perfect God. So the purpose of the Cross.
We are saved by grace, through faith and are born again, saints of God.
We are saved and stay saved through faith alone. Sin is not the issue, sin has been dealt with, it is finished.
---duane on 5/12/08

Romans 8:10,"And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." Please explain what this scripture meanS.
---Mina on 5/12/08

To ask God to forgive you of your sins, means that you have changed your mind, yet we still sin. But no child of God is going to willfully sin nor willfully live a life of sin. Keep in mind that the LIVING GOD now resides in you. Holy God. To live a life of sin on purpose, you are guilty of stumping on God's blood and Making a joke of the cross even at the point of a lie.. God can forgive, but seldom does.
---catherine on 5/11/08

James 3:2, James 5:13_19. Who is a perfect man and not "subject to like passions as we are" and who never err...? You? No, no not me for sure!
---Nana on 5/10/08

A person is either saved or not. If you are saved from sin then you do not sin. After a soul is saved from sin, and then foolishly chooses to participate again in sin from which they were saved from, it hyas happened as the scripture says, a dog returning to his vomit, or the swine washed only wallow in the mire again: The last state because 7 times worse then their first state.
---Eloy on 5/9/08

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God's Word says that the righteous are righteous even as Christ is righteous.
---Eloy on 5/9/08

sinners do what is called projecting: they themselves abide in sin, then sinfully project their own exclusive sin outward onto nonparticipating others, and delusionally think and say that all others are just sinners like they are. The person not participating in anothers sin is not even an accessory to that other's sin: but instead, it makes only that one sinner a sinner, and the rest of the people accountable for their own deeds whether they be righteous or sinuous. Reference: Ezekiel chapter 18.
---Eloy on 5/9/08

The Saint is not the sinner, and the sinner is not the Saint: the good is not the bad, and the bad is not the good. Either the person is sanctified or else the person is unregenerate. It is not possible to be a sinner Christian, or lost and found at the same time. Christ created a hell and a heaven: one place for those whom do sin, and the other place for those whom do right: and you cannot have one foot in heaven and the other foot in hell because each person will choose which Master they will serve.
---Eloy on 5/9/08

As long as we are in the flesh,we will sin,we try not to and when we do we repent for our sins.....God says in His Word HE is the only one that is Sinless. But He knows your heart .....your heart must be in the right place,and yes if we sin He does forgive even as we are asking for forgiveness,He already forgave us,but when we premeditate to sin God does not like it. Salvation is not a game,God says "He hath no pleasure in fools"
---Gabby8758 on 5/8/08

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If one is truly saved you will feel clean inside as if you have never sinned in your life. The answer to the next question is NO!
---catherine on 4/9/08

Colossians 1.21-23. I don't have enough room to write it out in here, but that's the gospel, in its entirety. When we accept Christ, God sees us through His Son, not how we see ourselves. God sees us blameless in His Son.
---tabit8547 on 4/8/08

Gee whiz Louise! Where are the "fleshy" Scriptures in which you base
your doctrine?
---Nana on 3/26/08

I Corinthians 6:8: "Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10: Nor thieves, nor
covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the
kingdom of God."
---Nana on 3/26/08

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I Corinthians 6:15: "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of
Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the
members of an harlot? God forbid. 16: What? know ye not that he which
is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17: But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 18: Flee fornication.
Every sin that a man doeth is without the body, but he that commiteth
fornication sinneth against his own body.
---Nana on 3/26/08

I Corinthians 6:19: "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of
the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not
your own? 20: For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in
your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."
---Nana on 3/26/08

* They are not necessarily set free of their sin all at once or are they*

There is no condemnation to the soul that is reborn in Christ. A saved soul is set free, all at once, from paying the wages of sin, which is death. But the souls fleshy body is still condemned to sin and must pay the wages of sin.
---Shawn.M.T on 3/25/08

*Can they still be saved while still participating in that willful sin*

1) Yes they can.
Some time we forget that we are spirit soul & body. Three separate entities, capable of going three separate places. But hopefully will all end up in the same place?
---Shawn.M.T on 3/25/08

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2) The spirit is saved & will return to the Lord because it is the Lord.

The soul is saved by accepting the Lord as savior & repentance of sin. This is the souls promise to God.

The body is condemned to sin but can gain a lease on life by turning away from sin and forgiving others of sin. This allows the body to receive the forgiveness & promises that the Lord has waiting for our bodies
---Shawn.M.T on 3/25/08

* How long can same sins go on and still be saved *

After the soul has made its promise to the Lord, it is saved through association & being connected with the body of Christ and is no long associated with the fleshy body and its sins.

The question should be how long can the soul (saved or unsaved) reside in the fleshy body where sin has been condemned?

The answer is: the soul may dwell in the body longer if our body restrains and turns away from sin.
---Shawn.M.T on 3/25/08

Well, I agree, that's what I believe, I just wanted to bounce it off of someone here. In talking to some that say they're 'saved', but still live in sin-for a long time, they know it but say God understands their heart or say--as an example--that fornication as a sin, is 'my interpretation' of the Bible...I don't want to judge, but it just seemed like a way to justify sin.
---jeff on 3/24/08

As a Christian, I believe you live to honor, obey, and know God. I don't think we are perfect, so if we fail-if we sin, then we repent, do what's necessary to rectify the situation if possible, deal with consequences and 'get back in the saddle' going about doing God's work and living a life pleasing to Him. Never should we just live in sin and say-'God knows my heart' with the attitude of 'don't judge me'-right? or am I wrong in some way?
---Jeff on 3/24/08

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When a person gets saved, they are forever freed from the guilt of the sins they committed in the past from God. But the sins they've committed and resulted in a crime, they will still have to do the time, or pay the fine. But one doesn't change overnight, it does take time. The inner man is changed, but the outer man (flesh) still is in the changing process.
---Rebecca_D on 3/24/08

jeff-give us another email address so we can explain this to you. You can't answer your questions in 85 words. 1st John explains the difference between sinning and practicing sin. Jesus said,"If you love me, you will obey me." The bible tells us "abstain from every form of fleshly lust" no matter how hard it is, an immoral relationship needs to stop as soon as you receive Jesus into your heart as your Lord and Savior. "By the Spirit put to death the deeds of the flesh."
---Donna on 3/24/08

If you truly get saved, you will want to stop sinning. If you don't, then cry out to God to deliver you. God doesn't "work" on your sins, YOU work on your sins by asking Him to deliver you out of them. You pray and He does the answering, and provides the way out. If you continue to sin after you are saved, then get the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, for He will convict you of all sin, and you will want to stop. If you love Jesus, you won't want to sin.
---Donna on 3/24/08

Jeff, I can only explain what I experienced.
I was converted a month before I was saved, and some say there's no difference, but I know differently.

I was set free from all sin, there were none left that had any draw on my heart, in fact the opposite was true the things I loved before made me physically sick to my stomach when I saw them as God did.

Acts 1:8 but you will receive power, the Holy Spirit coming upon you...there's either a day that this happened or not.
---pharisee on 3/24/08

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