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Government Welfare Payments

In the USA, the government seems to have too much responsibility for welfare payments. Doesn't the Bible teach that churches should bear the costs of welfare?

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Rebecca ... My church is in wealthy area, where there is little financial hardship, no homelessness, and no need to distribute food to the hungry.
In our same city, though, there are areas of great hardship, where people are hungry and can't afford clothes, and they certainly can't support a pastor or the preaching of the Word.
Should we keep our money for the needs of our area (which are non-existent, except to provide new chairs to replace those which are already comfortable but a bit scuffed?)
---alan_of_UK on 4/5/08

The churches need to take care of their own people inside that church and not another church. I don't pay my tithes to my church just so it can help a church in another State or Country. The tithe money shouldn't go to a member's relative that lives across state. We do however have a food drive for people in need of food, whether they are part of our church or not. If a person pays tithes or gives offerings to a church across the state, but not their own, something is wrong with that picture.
---Rebecca_D on 4/5/08

If everyone at church on Sunday would pay their 10% the church could take care of all needs. But most churches wouldn't. They would just build a bigger building.
---Susie on 4/4/08

A few centuries ago, in England everyone had to pay a tax to the church.
This system survived in Ireland until fairly recently, and even Roman Catholics had to pay tax to the Anglican church ... thus rich protestants and poor catholics, and one of the roots of the recent troubles, particularly when the RC's did not have the same job opportunities (or were denied them) as Protestants.
---alan_of_UK on 4/3/08

I beleive that in Germany the State collects tax which is then pased to the church.
This is what I heard a few years ago.
I recall the taxpayer could request, if he was interested, that this tax be passed to a particular church.
I'm not sure if the information is correct, or if the system still applies.
There is certainly nothing like this in the UK
---alan_of_UK on 4/3/08

In the USA, churches could switch to a system like Europe has. 10% of income is taxed and sent to the churches. I don't know if that would solve the tithing problem in the USA or not.**

I'm sure the American participants in this blog would love to have the government take out an addition 10% in taxes from their incomes.
---Jack on 4/3/08

Sag, the way you worded your posting "In the USA, churches could switch to a system like Europe has. 10% of income is taxed and sent to the churches." gave the impression that you knew this was happening now. Now you are asking if anyone can verify this. The search you suggested came up with this particular blog, so you are now on Google.
---RitaH on 4/3/08


Do a Google search on: "Europe Tithing".

A person at church once gave a financials presentation and mentioned that:

During the time of the Christian nations of Europe, tithing was authorized by the state since there is no Biblical decree to collect 10% of a person's money, either under the Old or New Covenants.

I'm in the USA which doesn't have this tithing system.

Can anyone in one of the European nations verify if this tithing system exists today?
---sag on 4/1/08

sag, to which countries do you refer when you say that "10% of income is taxed and sent to the churches". I have never heard this said before. Could you give me some link where I can find out more about this please?
---RitaH on 4/1/08

Matt 25:36 I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me.' I don't think the church today uses all of its tithes wisely. We worry too much about "upward basketball" and other programs yet look hard to see if the same amount of funds go to out reach of the needy.
---Jamey on 3/31/08

I had a church administrator explain that the problem is that not enough people in the church tithe. Thus, most churches don't have sufficient income to pay benefits to the needy.

In the USA, churches could switch to a system like Europe has. 10% of income is taxed and sent to the churches. I don't know if that would solve the tithing problem in the USA or not.

---sag on 3/31/08

Hi, Augie . . . I do remember that the church was obligated to take care of a widow who is a "widow indeed", meaning a woman with NO one for family to help her > "Now she who is really a widow,

and left alone,

trusts in God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day." (1 Timothy 5:5) > (2) >
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/30/08

(2) "Do not let a widow under sixty years old be taken into the number, and not unless she has been the wife of one man, well reported for good works: if she has brought up children, if she has lodged strangers, if she has washed the saints' feet, if she has relieved the afflicted, if she has diligently followed every good work." (1 Timothy 5:9-10)

This with verse 5:16 shows me that the church was responsible for really Christian widows who had no one for family to support them.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/30/08

The bible teaches that we should look after the widows and fatherless and I don't think that these means that we should only look after fellow Christians. Our generosity should extend much further than that. However, churches have limited resources (where cash is concerned) and cannot be expected to be responsible for EVERYONE'S welfare. Sometimes our help should be in encouraging people to help themselves, not always doing for and giving to them but showing them how.
---RitaH on 3/30/08

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