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What does this scripture mean to you? 1 John 3:17."But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?"

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Alan of UK ---that's my favorite way of giving, too, through the church. And I tend to think that's the method Christ would prefer. Government, as a rule, is impersonal, inefficient, and almost always wasteful.
---Donna66 on 8/23/08

You're quite right Donna, ... we should take personally God's command to feed the hungry ...
But we can't always DO IT personally.
For example, in my existence in a lower middle class area in a relatively affluent country, I have no way of giving directly to the poor of (say) Africa.
But if I give to my church, they have the contacts to know where money is best applied, and have the means to deliver.
So I know that even though I never meet her, there is a woman in Uganda who feeds her village with milk, and sends her children to school from what her cow earns her, because of my gift through the church
---Alan_of_UK on 8/22/08

Donna: have you ever been poor, mentally disabled or physically disabled? The majority of the poor and disabled still pay taxes and need more help and opportunities than the rest of us do. That's great that you and fellow Christians do your collective parts by helping them individually, but not everyone will---and there are a lot of poor/disabled people in the world. Will they all benefit from your personalized attention?
---liam on 8/22/08

liam -- all the things you mention, fire police, education, roads, are services for which we pay the government.

Compassion and giving are how we supply the needs of OTHERS. This verse leads me to believe it is a personal, not necessarily governmental, responsibility.
---Donna66 on 8/21/08

To my friends on here. It seems all have their hearts aimed at the right mark, that is being obedient to the Word. I believe that in all matters of scripture, we can have a "dogmatic" approach or can have a spiritually lead approach. For example, the Holy Spirit is the ultimate direction giver to the believer as to how and to whom to give, what amount and time spent with another. Only God knows the truly needy from the truly deceptive. God watches over his children so as not to be used, while recognizing the intent of the heart to give without judgement. As God leads, it is a matter of allowing the Lord to direct the believer in giving in the most effective way. It is what I consider, "Giving" with God lead Wisdom.
---Robert on 8/21/08

Glenn I have been on here a long time and tried time and again to remind people about God's view of juding one another even giving Bible verses to prove the point,it falls on deaf ears and hard hearts. The Bible still means what it says, Beloved let us love one another for love is of God and he that loveth knoweth God,he that loveth not knoweth not God. I am no longer amazed at anything anyone says about others just disappointed. Guard yourself not to get drug into the fray,it gets rough when people say you are of Satan or going to hell because you don't believe like they do. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 8/21/08

Donna66: The Bible also doesn't say give a percentage of your money to the government for police protection, army, firefighters, education, roads, public safety or food subsidies ...

... but we do it anyway.
---liam on 8/21/08

I think the scripture is self explanatory.

Interesting, however, what this passage does not say. It does not say, give a percentage of your goods to the government so that they can care for the needy.
---Donna66 on 8/20/08

Amen Gayla. Matthew chapter 25, verses 31-46 spells it out. Some people seem to think this only applies to helping Israel, but God is not a "respector of persons." He spoke through James in James chapter 2 verses 14-17 also deals with telling a brother in need "Be warmed, be filled" but not giving them what they stand in need of.
---theresa on 8/18/08

Exactly what it says. If we have, and do not help those who don't, we are not walking in the love of God. We cannot turn away from people in need, we simply must do what lies within our power to help. That is why the world is in the shape that it is in, in my opinion, because too many did not take this scripture to heart, and turned away, when it was within their power to help. WE will all have to give account for the way we lived, and what we did with the resources that God enabled us to have.
---gayla on 8/17/08

When I John chapter 3, verse 17 was written, God was fully aware of the future. Whatever we're able to do to help a brother who is truly in need, we are to do and not rewrite the bible and omit to do it. "love not in word or tongue, but in deed and in truth",
---theresa on 8/4/08

If you consider your 'cup runneth over' with the riches of this world more than the riches of The Lord, take some time to have more personal conversations with Jesus.

If The Lord has blessed you with riches to keep your family well fed (your first ministry), be wise, be aware of the current economy and possible future events. The current state of the economy is bad enough, but it is likely to get worse. The National Debt was fifty nine TRillion dollars with Social Security and Medicaid figured in, but without those entitlements, it's only 9.5 TRillion.

Check the National Debt Clock at wikipedia and see if you should be more wise in your charity (the debt increases about a billion dollars a day).
---more_excellent_way on 8/4/08

Ok. The purpose of the blog is to comment and pay attention, but it is well.
---theresa on 8/1/08

Theresa--- I was explaining scripture and throughing another one in also. Anyways, I am working on not paying any undue attention to others remarks.
---catherine on 8/1/08

You are right Catherine and I was just agreeing with you, so please don't take the way it was explained again by me the wrong way! God bless you!
---theresa on 8/1/08

Catherine, the scripture for this blog doesn't refer to being "rich", just having this world's good enough to help a brother or sister in need. It could be food, money to pay a bill-(small or large), diapers for a baby,clothing or anything of this world's good the brother or sister needs. However, in another scripture in I Timothy chapter 6, verse 18 the rich are charged to be ready to distribute and to be hospitable.
---theresa on 7/31/08

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Thanks Samuel. I am in agreement with you. You are so right. Jesus, our Lord and Saviour was "moved with compassion!" It tells us to put on "bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering.." in Colossians chapter 3, verse 12. I Peter chapter 3, verse 8 says "...having compassion one of another."
---theresa on 7/31/08

VERSE 16, FIRST. People that persists in hate are not believers. Christ died in our place, He suffered the punishment for us. This is made the basis for the obligation of Christian love. Verse 17...You should never refuse help to anyone in need, if you see they are in need. You must not wait until you are rich and do not say wait until tomorrow and come back. If you do, you do not have the love of God in you, and you are not a believer.
---catherine on 7/31/08

Thank You Theresa

For standing up for the right. Many today want to make going to heaven about saying the right things or following the right words. Others are in for what the can get from GOD.

But JESUS put Love at the top. All the right words will not replace the correct actions. Giving and working to help others is the way of JESUS. Mat 14:14 And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick.

Do we have compassion? That is the question.
---Samuel on 7/31/08

What does this scripture mean to you?

Exactly what it says.

This also goes along with "A Rich man & a camel fittin thru the eye of a needle"

The meaning is: If you have the riches of this world and you just pass by the poor & have no compassion in you to help that person,MY Father does NOT abide in you!

Let's all remember what Jesus said, When you have done it unto one of these of Mine, you have done it unto ME!

Are you new to the Faith?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 7/31/08

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Why are people so quick to skirt the issue based on the question for this particular blog?? The scripture above is plain to understand. If you have this world's good and see your brother in need, you should help them and not "shut up the bowels of your compassion."
---theresa on 7/31/08

Only one other alternative to heaven "old guy" and that is spending eternity in torment and fire without the ability to help those who are already in torment. When you read about the rich man and Lazarus, who both died and were buried in Luke Chapter 16, verses 19-31, one soul ended up in hell in torment and saw the other afar off in paradise or heaven and begged for Lazarus to be able to rise from the dead to warn his brothers not to come to hell! Hell's worse than any imaginable torment known on earth. Not only will you not be able to help anyone else, but for rejecting Jesus & His sacrifice for your sins, you won't escape the eternal fires, worms, darkness, screams, wails and gnashing of teeth of lost souls with no end to it.
---theresa on 7/30/08

old_guy: "Theresa, no thanks. Being in heaven would be like being in hell, knowing that all my friends and relatives were being tortured forever and I, helpless to do anything for them."

"...and all the former things will not be remembered..." a Bible verse.
---Steveng on 7/30/08

Theresa, no thanks. Being in heaven would be like being in hell, knowing that all my friends and relatives were being tortured forever and I, helpless to do anything for them.
---old_guy on 7/29/08

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Amen! The invitation is open to you too "old guy" as it was to me and possibly everyone that communicates on this blog. Jesus loves you and this is why he died for you and rose again that you may become apart of His family! We love you! Experience the awesome peace and love that surpass all understanding with Christ as your Saviour and Lord!
---theresa on 7/28/08

frances008: "May the Lord rebuke you for calling it grumbling when I am contending for the faith."

Are you puting a curse on someone or are you telling God what to do?
---Steveng on 7/28/08

Theresa, we visited the inmate for six hours on Saturday. He is, unlike me, a saved Christian. So praise God for that!
---old_guy on 7/28/08

Glenn, welcome to the realm of inner and outer chaos. When I came here I soon learnt this sad fact. Not everyone who says Lord Lord, or who wears sheep's clothing is a sheep. You need to be tough to stick it out here. My advice to you is to hang around quietly and read a lot before you make any judgements because not everything is as it seems at first glance. Judge not, lest you be judged. Some of us have been contending a long time, others coming along can make foolish mistakes when it comes to knowing what is going on.
---frances008 on 7/27/08

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Frances, there are no "ritualistic" controlling rules to participate on these boards. When I referred to "grumbling" I was talking about the attitude displayed by "old guy" about visiting someone a distance away in prison, and explaining for clarification to you why I responded the way I did. I am not condemning anyone. I am participating by bringing the truth of the Word of God where it tells us how we are to do what we do for the Lord and for others. I will continue to. You're not in a position to rebuke me using the Lord's name or anyone else's. I Corinthians chapter 13 tells if we don't do what we do with charity, it is "nothing" in the sight of God. God bless you again!
---theresa on 7/26/08

Samuel, God bless you for rightly dividing the Word of God and not backing up Christians who refuse to give to a brother or sister in need, thinking it's ok with God, making lame excuses. In I Timothy chapter 6, verses 17-18 those that are rich are charged to distribute. But since people on this "board" are seemingly getting away from the question on this blog, the scripture is so plain as you even broke it down for us Samuel that if we have this world's goods and don't help a brother or sister in need, it is questionable and very clear really the love of God is not being allowed to dwell in us as it should! God bless you again!
---theresa on 7/26/08

I am in agreement Glenn. That is why I responded when the prisoner was referred to as "not so nice" as the Bible says we were all born in sin and not so nice before Christ saved us and whatever we do should be done in love. God bless you
---theresa on 7/25/08

Theresa, when people deliberately misinterpret the word of God, I am bound to speak out. When people act like a whole discussion has not taken place several times in the last six months, I can only assume they just came recently to these boards. May the Lord rebuke you for calling it grumbling when I am contending for the faith.
---frances008 on 7/25/08

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Frances, no I haven't very recently come to "these boards." I won't boast in how many years I've been a born again child of God because the only boasting we all have is in the Lord. I will tell you this, I Corinthians Chapter 3, verses 10-15 tells us how God will try our works. It's not the miles and the deed, but how and why the deed is done that will stand the test of God's fire at the end. Like it or not, ritualism rests in just going and murmuring and complaining as you do it, not willingly.
---theresa on 7/25/08

For those of you who have seen Scrooge this should be easy. Many people are about what they can get. The most expensive car the biggest house.

Christians are to be about doing their best to help others. The more money and time you have the more you owe to help others. Who do you think of when you get extra money. A new gadget or saving a starving child from dying?
---Samuel on 7/25/08

Frances, you speak falsehood without knowing what you are saying. My father went to prisons and jails when it wasn't the "popular" thing to do, (in the 1950s through the 1970s) almost always alone, driving miles around the state to carry the love of Jesus Christ and the Word of God offering reconciliation to God. He was never ritualistic and neither am I. He "finished his course" on earth last year and left peacefully & victoriously to be "absent from the body and present with the Lord." I Corinthians chapter 3,verses 11-15 deal with the type of works we do and confirms not all of our works will stand after being tried with God's fire.
---theresa on 7/25/08

Hbr 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some, but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

I am new to this site. I am amazed at the judgemental attitudes and the hurtful words spoken among the brethen in the name of God's love.
---Glenn on 7/25/08

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Hi Frances. It's strange how critical you are of the testimony of my father who lived a life proving that we can be who God says we can be by walking in the Spirit, but supportive of statements such as the man he visits is "not so nice", when that is indicative of someone who may be headed for a crash. We have "all sinned and come short of the glory of God",and all we do is to be out of the love of God. The blog addresses giving to our brothers and sisters in need and we all know what this means. JOhn asked by the HOly Spirit, "How dwelleth the love of God in you?" We'll all give an account one day.(II Corinthians chapter 5, verse 10)
---Theresa on 7/24/08

Frances, I'm not sure if you've ever been involved in prison ministry individually or with an organized church, but my father did this individually for many years before becoming a pastor and involving an "organized" church and "no" it's not a lot easier. These statements should come from personal experience. I'm happy old guy is travelling to do it. I responded to his harsh criticism of the length of the visit and the person he's visiting, that's all. We were all on our way to hell until we received the love of Jesus Christ which we are to share lovingly with others. God bless you!
---Theresa on 7/24/08

One day last year a young guy approached me while at my busstop and asked for a couple of dollars to eat. I gave him a twenty. Almost every day for two months (well, Monday through Friday anyway) he would be waiting at the bus stop to borrow money and I would gladly give him a twenty - and a Christian pamphlet. Sometimes we would talk to get to know him better. I would pray almost every night that he could find a job. I didn't see him until January (2008). Instead of asking for money and told me he got a construction job. He then pulled out his wallet and handed me five twenty dollar bills. I declined and told him to give it to someone else that is in need.

Christians must always give and give and give and pray and pray and pray.
---Steveng on 7/24/08

Frances,I never said my father didn't do this at a soup kitchen.Most of what he did was one-on-one. He was an example. Like it or not. He finished his course, kept the faith and left here an "old guy" who touched a lot of lives in Jesus Christ without boasting or murmuring and complaining.Psalm chapter 37, verse 37 says "Mark the perfect man, behold the
upright." "Perfect" in the Hebrew translation here means "mature". No harm intended, just facts. God bless you and "old guy."
---Theresa on 7/24/08

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At least my wife is a Christian, so the prison trip will be somewhat worthwhile. So long.
---old_guy on 7/24/08

No, God hasn't arranged that. I'm simply stating that we are to do everything in charity as we read in I Corinthians Chapter 16, verse 14. My dad was just committed at to the Lord. I'm not saying you aren't. However, our works will be tried with fire to see what sort they are by God, as it says in I Corinthians Chapter 3, verses 10-15. You say you like going. I replied that it's not how many times, but how and why you do it only because Jesus and the Word of God establish that. He is our foundation, "be careful how you build there upon."
---Theresa on 7/24/08

Some people are further ahead than others in the race. However those at the front might not finish the race, but fall on some stumbling block. I saw an iceskating competition when the last man won a gold medal because the others all fell down in a heap. Old guy deserves to be encouraged, not knocked down so heartlessly, by someone who is not necessarily ahead of him, in fact someone who is headed for a crash.
---frances008 on 7/24/08

Old guy, it must be tough to drive all that way to visit someone who perhaps is undeserving. You won't get any rewards down here, not that you are looking for any. 130 times is a lot. I congratulate you for your committment. Nothing is wasted in God's eyes. I am sure you are not Hellbound and even if your theology is unorthodox, you are not in a clerical position, so he does not have to take your word as 'the truth'. Keep up the good work. It is a lot harder to do these things on your own than with an organized church.
---frances008 on 7/24/08

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Theresa, as you are willing to teach others about not letting your right hand know what your left hand is doing, not hoping for a reward in this life, why do you go on to tell old guy that truth and then say that your father did much better than him. (???) You say that the Church does good works, yet how much better it is to help someone who you see needs it, when they need it, and not Tuesday nights at the soup kitchen. Love is not a duty that has to be performed by going to church and doing good deeds before men. Love is sensing a need and supplying it, from your heart, without backup or audience, just responding as God moves you. Love is not some kind of weekly ritual, but spontaneous.
---frances008 on 7/24/08

Theresa Weatherby, you have indeed come very recently to these boards if you do not realize that Jesus is the rock on which the Church was built and that the RCC conintually changes meanings by translating the Bible in a way that makes her look best. The RCC is a Satanic system. Now if the Church of Satan does wonderful things in their community, it does not change who their boss is. Dear, you really need to look for the truth about everything around you, because it will inevitably lead you to the bad guys. You might try following the money trails. Just a hint. I have study the conspiracy for four years. Look up the Red Mass.
---frances008 on 7/24/08

Theresa, your father is superior to me in every way. He was good and I am bad. That's the way God has arranged it, and I accept that entirely. God bless you.
---old_guy on 7/24/08

Frances, there are churches where you can really see where people are being helped with your contributions to the church. Jesus told Peter, "On this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." in Matthew chapter 16, verse 18. There are true believers who obey God's truth with the love of God and help the poor. If our Christian brothers or sisters are in need and we don't help them,(if we have this world's good to do so), the love of God is not being allowed to be shown through us. God's Word is true and to be believed and followed!
---Theresa_Weatherby on 7/24/08

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Hello "old guy". You're talking to someone who accompanied their dear father,(who was involved in prison/jail ministry for many years), to prisons to minister the love and Word of God to them. However, my father never counted his visits, he just simply loved all people and remembered "all have sinned an come short of the glory of God",so when you were so sarcastic about your upcoming visit, I responded with the Word of God which will stand forever. God is more interested in why we do what we do than with how many times we do it, which by the way, 130 times is a lot less than my dad went.
---Theresa on 7/24/08

Theresa, this will be our 130th visit in ten years. I go because I like to. I don't know how God sees my visits because my theology isn't always as orthodox as others'. For all I know I'm hellbound. Guess I will find out soon since I am very old.
---old_guy on 7/23/08

How many of the Christian Community go to church on Sundays and give tithes and other money and do not know where it is going? Then you leave feeling that you are righteous. A poor man gets in your way, so you pass him by and avoid looking at his pants which are held together with a safety pin, or his hollow cheeks from hunger. Does the church give of its vast riches to helpt those on the doorstep? No, the church will ask you for more money for feeding the poor. Each poor person will get a bowl of soup a day at the most. How much better not to bother with attending a building, but support the church of the homeless. How much better not to give to powerful systems, but to give your church money directly into the hands of the poor.
---frances008 on 7/23/08

I Corinthians Chapter 6, verses 9-11 reminds us that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of heaven, and "such were some of us...but now we are washed, and we are sanctified." Remember when you go to the prison to visit, that you were on a straight path to hell yourself and weren't very nice in the sight of God either. It is very clear in the scripture about "this world's good" referring to those in need, so you can't redefine what God says to prevent from giving it to a brother or sister in need when necessary.
---Theresa on 7/23/08

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My wife and I are driving 350 miles this weekend to visit a guy in prison who used to go to our church. I hope that fits "opening our bowels of compassion" to someone, especially since the guy is not very likable!
---old_guy on 7/23/08

It all coincides with-Proverbs chapter 28, verse 27 says "He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse." Proverbs chapter 19, verse 17 says "He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord: and that which he have given will he pay him again." Proverbs chapter 17, verse 17 says "A friend loveth at all times and a brother is born for adversity." Proverbs 21 verse 13 says "Whoso stoppeth his ears to the poor shall cry himself and shall not be heard."
---Theresa on 7/22/08

Nadine you wrote,"Real love must be demonstrated! Therefore, if we who have plenty claim to be of God but do not show love (compassion) to a brother or sister in Christ who is in need ). Do you believe that we should limit our love or compassion to those who are in Christ?
---Mima on 7/22/08

Real love must be demonstrated! Therefore, if we who have plenty claim to be of God but do not show love (compassion) to a brother or sister in Christ who is in need, then our behavior could mean that we might still be spiritually dead!
---Nadine on 5/28/08

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37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an Hungred, and FED thee? or Thirsty, and gave thee DRINK?

38 When saw we THEE a stranger, and took THEE in? OR naked, and clothed THEE?

39 Or when saw we THEE sick, or in prison, and came unto THEE?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, VERILY I say unto you, Inasmuch as YE have done it unto one of the least of these MY BRETHREN, YE have done it unto ME.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/7/08

Yes, don't keep filling your belly and look the otherway from someone who doesn't have any. Anyone who is guilty of this sin, God may say, "you fool, tonight I will take your life."
---catherine on 5/7/08

Mima, how about going to Burger King with him and spending some time? Is he homeless?
I would pray and seek the Lords leading and do as He directs.
---christina on 5/7/08

Find a different place to witness?lol:) Kidding..Jesus said "when you did it for the least of these, you did it for Me". And that if a man ask for your coat, then to give him your tunic also. We serve a great God who has endless grace.He doesn't run out and He doesn't count the times we go to Him for His grace. I feel that if you have the money and he approaches you, then you are serving God by meeting his need. Your presence in the park is also ministering to his spirit not to mention others.
---jody on 5/6/08

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Alan has the Right Idea.
Bring some type of meal to him.
One thing for sure you'll find out if he's
there for the Money or not.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/2/08

Here it is in my own words God help me: If someone you see is in trouble, any kind of trouble and you ignore him either in the heart or otherwise, the love of God is not in you. I will tell you right now, not a true Christian.
---catherine on 5/2/08

Maybe you should give him actual food?
---alan_of_UK on 5/2/08

Mima asked: "Question, what to do now when he comes back again?????? this is an elderly black man."

I would get his address and mail him a check every week to save yourself and him the hassles.

Dont forget to deduct the tax money.
---Caring on 5/1/08

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"What does this scripture mean to you? 1 John 3:17." Exactly what is says.

"what to do now when he comes back again??????" If you can offer him a way to earn the money he desires, make the offer. If not give him what he needs, if you have it to give, if not, give what you do have. Most importantly, give only as you have determined in your own mind, cheerfully and without expectations.
---Josef on 4/30/08

Mima, maybe you could talk to him and find out his situation and direct him to someplace where he could eat regularly. The senior center in my town will give a daily hot meal to any senior who needs one. And pray for him of course! :o)
---SusieQ on 4/30/08

Yes good answers. Now, I put before you a little problem. I'm presently witnessing with the pickup truck in a certain location in a city park. On the first day I was there, a man come up to me saying he was hungry and I gave him $20. He took the money and went right over to Burger King. Now yesterday, he comes by again saying, I've been looking for you, and again he asked me for money. And again, I give him $20. Question, what to do now when he comes back again?????? this is an elderly black man.
---Mima on 4/30/08

Pharasee: I like your final statement. That's it in a nutshell. So true. Without LOVE we are nothing:)
---jody on 4/29/08

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It means just what it says.If a person exspress a need for food,clothing or rent and you are well enough off to provide any of these things then do so.Do not expect repayment or praise.Your reward will be in Heaven.
---shirley on 4/27/08

Leon, Rebecca, Alan and Pharisee, all of you responded wonderfully!
---SusieQ on 4/27/08

Plain & simple we, who are abundantly blessed by God, are to bless by meeting the material & spiritual needs of others who are less fortunate. People with full bellies, comfortable dwellings & adequate clothing are more receptive to hearing & gladly receiving the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We're blessed to be God's instruments for blessing others.
---Leon on 4/27/08

It means that if you see your neighbor (anyone) in need then you should help them if you have the means to help. If you don't help them knowing that they need help, how can you say you have the love of God? You can't.
---Rebecca_D on 4/26/08

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Now who was it I wonder, who told us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and visit those in jail?
Who was it?
Was it someone we know?
---alan_of_UK on 4/25/08

It's plain, if we look about and see the inequity of Satan's kingdom wearing one down to nothing there's either compassion to help, or indifference and excuses to go about our own way.

Even if you don't have "this world's good" there is the compassion to make someone else feel valuable, even just for a minute or two. Include interact and trust, (trust in God if your that fearful) give yourself away and love as God does.
---pharisee on 4/25/08

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