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yes, it says in the bible you can.god said it too.
---nettiel on 10/19/08

it says in the bible to cast them out>
---netta3634 on 10/16/08

you are missing the point God wants all to be saved hence Jesus died for all not all will be saved that is be born again as all need to make a decision to confess Jesus as Lord and believe the gospel which is that Jesus rose from the dead to be the first born from the dead the first born of the third creation if you don't respond to the gracious invitation that God has given in Jesus you Will continue on the Journey that you are on following the prince of the power of the air all the way to hell
you will continue to be separated from God the Father repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus and get on board NOW
---rod on 9/30/08

no i do believe God made every to have fellowship and to go to heaven. i guess we got mixed up on that point, but those who deny God's prompting, doesnt what you say prove that they did choose, and therefore have free will?
---kyle on 9/8/08

Kyle, you made a statement and didn't give me a passage, even one. You said that everyone was predestine to salvation. kyle, God does not create people so that they will go to hell. All people have the opportunity either by God's creation, or the gospel to come to Christ. Faith comes from hearing the Word of God. The calling is for all mankind. The ones that reject Christ continue the path they were already heading to since they were born. They love what they do and want nothing to do with Christ. They are under the desires of their father the devil and many don't even know it.
What I said about witnessing is in response to what you said, everyone was predestine to salvation. I suppose you didn't mean that?
---Mark_V. on 9/5/08

ha i never said that all the wicked will one day be saved. i do believe that everyone was born to have fellowship with God. i think that is pretty obvious. however, with our free will we have the ability to turn down that free gift. God is not cruel at all. He is infinitely just. but you never answered my question. do you really want to believe in a God who creates people to go to hell? i dont. an you say there would be no reason to witness. if we are true christians we would
WANT to. believe me God has this all figured out.
---kyle on 9/5/08

Kyle, will you direct me to the passages that state that all are predestine unto salvation? At least give me something. Just saying it because you believe it does not make it true. If it was so, then we would have no need to witness to anyone. And if everyone is going to heaven, why are so many going to hell if they were predestine to be saved? Don't you think that would be cruel of God to save them and then sent them to hell saved? I suppose with your statement all the wicked will one day be saved. Just not biblical Kyle. That's Universalism theology.
---Mark_V. on 9/4/08

Frances, concerning the Scriptures, I don't worry about which Bible is better or worse. I have seven different one's. I believe anyone of them can bring truth to someone and they can be saved. Since faith comes from hearing the word of God. The only thing I don't recommend is their commentaries. They differ depending on who wrote it. I believe if you are deep in learning theology and the very meat of Scripture, then you might need to get yourself the best one that you can, with a wordstudy bible for definitions of Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. I would also suggest to get material on how to interprete passages and what to look for. Many times the time or even the culture will give us a clue as to what God wanted to convey to us.
---Mark_V. on 9/3/08

mark you are just speaking on head knowledge. do you really want to bleieve in a god who is partial to some and not to others. The Bible says that all are predestined to go to heaven. and when we are born God starts this beatiful romance to pull us to Him.I know Romans 9 speaks on His choice to choose some and not others. but you have to have to know that God is love and really has already shown Himself to everyone in creation. so to say that some are just unlucky and won't make i believe is illogical.
---kyle on 9/4/08

Frances, Paul wrote what I put down, he was talking about the lost. No one lost seeks God. Only believers seek after God. The reason Jesus kept saying to the disciples seek first the kingdom of God. The Holy Spirit has to quicken their hearts and bring them to life. The lost are slaves to sin. Spiritually dead to the things of God. And God has to come and release them from that state and make them alive. Otherwise they continue their path. All that are lost love what they do. They don't have to answer to no one. "God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will." Without God granting the action they remain lost.
---Mark_V. on 9/3/08

MarkV, which translations were before the KJV? Possibly some - I don't know because they obviously got rejected by King James' team who were working on the Bible. In any case as translations go, they are moving more and more away from the original intentions of the author of the Bible (God). This is not inevitable, but deliberate. Yes, CofE is a child of its mother, but at that time it was a product of the Reformation which is generally considered the best thing that happened to Christianity, The quote you says says that men are captive at the devil's will. ('his not His will). Of course God allows it though. Why? Due to a man's preference for sin (or other bad trait like fear.)
---frances008 on 9/3/08

Why did God choose Saul who became Paul over any of the Christian disciples to join the 12, to appear to and to train in His ways? We may not know, but let us look at Paul, he was a zealous man who thought he knew the truth, he was deceived but not a deceiver. Once he came to the truth he recognized it and did not deny what he saw and heard with his own eyes and ears. He did a 180 degree turn. Now he was zealous for the other team. The quote about not seeking God goes back to the O.T. if you have footnotes. You should know that after Jesus came things changed. Even after John the Baptist started preaching. When the prophet said there is no one who seeks God, he did not include himself (presumably) but meant all the others.
---frances008 on 9/3/08

Liam, there are some people God has chosen, who will reject Him. Are we to assume that God makes mistakes all the time? No! He knows they will reject Him, but it does not make Him happy.
---frances008 on 9/3/08

Frances, I disagree with most of your statements. One you said is, you "met a genuine athiest who is seeking God" Scripture say's no one (refering to those who are lost) seeks God" "...None is righteous, no not one, no one understands, no one seeks for God. Romans 9:-12. I do agree that maybe later he will come to Christ but God has to awaken him from his state of depravity. Later you said, "if I wanted to choose somebody I would only choose someone I knew wanted to be chosen." You probably would do that, but that is not what God does. None of the people God chooses to give life to, wanted to be chosen. They were lost and in rebellion to God. 2 Tim. 2:25,26 has your answer to that one. If God wants.
---Mark_V. on 9/3/08

Frances ... "the original King James Version which was the one that God saw fit to give to the English speaking people"
Why do yuo say that?
There were earlier translations into English.
What evidence is there that it was the KJV, and not earlier or later translation, which was the only one that God gave to English speaking people?

In the Translators' Preface, they say that they hope ""the Church of England shall reap good fruit thereby"

How do you accept so enthusiastically the KJV, whe it was produced for the CoE, which is an (albeit divorced) offspring (some would offensively say "spawn") of the Roman Catholic Church?
---alan_of_UK on 9/3/08

Mark ... Thank you for your generous acknowledgement of the fact that I too have given reasons, based on scripture, as to why I have my perception of God's Love and Sovereignty.
I'm glad in spite of what I said provocatively said about us having different gods, and your endorsement of that statement, we do worship the same God.
---alan_of_UK on 9/3/08

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Danelle, thank you for your response. Your suggestions are well taken. The only way someone can show the light of God is through God's Word. That is all I know. What I am shocked is in the many that defend the denomination at the expense of God's Word. But I am not here to convert anyone. Only to bring the light of Scripture. What God does with it is up to Him. I have no control how He will use His Word in someone's life, to those who are lost are those in a state of false teachings. What we do know is that the Spirit brings light to the Word of God, and helps us understand it and gives us the encouragement to continue to preach it.
---Mark_V. on 9/2/08

Markv: The scripture that I should have given to the Atheist is:Ps.14:1.It is not I,but the Word that speaks this to the unbeliever! Furthermore, please forgive me if you thought I was being judgemental of you.We are cautioned against this in the Word. As I have often said in my blogs to others,we simply can not expect everyone to agree with us,our thoughts,or interpretations of the Word,(which isn't up for debate anyway.) However, I am not DENOMINATIONAL,but Christian.I would suggest as best I can,that you refrain from argumentativeness and making those denominations MAD! Just let your light shine.
---Danelle on 9/2/08

Yes, MarkV, God is not obliged to save any of us. He chooses us, but he chooses ALL of us. Even atheists have a conscience and know when they are (EG) lying (which they do a lot). Some more than others. I have met genuine atheists who seek the truth and I think one day they will meet God and be converted. I am reminded of my teaching days. If I wanted to choose a child for a privilege (like doing a job or something) I would only chose someone who I knew wanted to be chosen. I would not waste a privilege on someone who disrespected authority and was a rebel - for practical reasons as well as because the child was just 'nicer'. It could be argued that God made people as they are. But a rebel chooses to remain one.
---frances008 on 9/2/08

The difference between a believer and a nonbeliever is that the first is saved because they hate the sin that they did and that they occasionally still do. Secondly, if God chooses us, and only lets certain people have the ability to come to him, he does this by some selective process, and I believe He looks at the hearts of men. Nobody is so evil that they are beyond redemption. Even a previous blasphemer against the Holy Ghost can repent and throw themselves on God's mercy and God will forgive them. Because he loves us and He promises forgiveness. Paul was an example of one.
---frances008 on 9/2/08

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MarkV, my opinions are based on the ONE book we were given from God, the 1611 KJV, not the New King James Version which has many changes in it. I reject your idea that we do not have free choice, or that some people do not have free choice. Are you, I wonder, a Calvinist? Please answer.
---frances008 on 9/2/08

Frances as I said to Alan, it is only your opinion and your opinion is not a fact. I don't worry about your opinions for they come from you, and I have listened to much of what you have said. You are welcome to read whatever Bible you so desire. You are a big girl and don't need for me to educate you on what bible to read.
Your answer was still wrong from Scripture. The original Scriptures are not in any Bible that has been revised. They are some that come close but the language will be in the Hebrew or Greek. In my own opinion you have a lot of opinions but not much in fact and that is fine. I enjoy listening to your opinions.
---Mark_V. on 9/2/08

3. All lost don't have free will, they are in bondage to sin. They cannot escape, and need Christ to set them free. Without Christ they stay in bondage.
---Mark_V. on 9/2/08

Mark, forgive me for confusing you, I was confused earlier and now I am just in the process of getting sorted out - (See on)
---frances008 on 9/2/08

Mark V, the more Bibles you have the more confused you will become. You need to chuck out six Bibles, or seven and get the original King James Version which was the one that God saw fit to give to the English speaking people. All others are rewritten Bibles with changes in them for the purpose of slipping in some errors. The original Greek and Hebrew will be of little help, since the New Testament was an oral tradition which had many copies made, and the original ones are all lost. The KJV is the only true Scripture we were given. The only thing that can lead to damnation is rejecting belief in Jesus Christ which will cause blaspheming and other sins.
---frances008 on 9/2/08

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Danelle, I'm sorry you judge me as you do. You asked me if I believed in God, you first questioned my salvation, then you call Athiest a fool without giving him the passage. I understand you are Pentacostal. When I speak against a doctrine people from that denomination get mad. If I speak to Catholics they get mad, If SDA's they get mad. What all of you fail to consider because of your denomination that not all doctrines use are true. I am not saying Pentacostals are not saved, or Catholics even though they are Idolater's and come close to moving very far from Christ. I cannot see your heart Danelle so I won't judge you as you have judged me. You are welcome to say anything you want of me, it is your right as a human being and your opinion.
---Mark_V. on 9/2/08

Alan, first, thanks for acknowledging that you were wrong in stating your god was not my God. Second, I believe you like to talk about a lot of things and this is only my opinion ok? And that is the reason you never really want to discuss theology. That is why you give so many opinions about the flood, world, politics and so on as if you were talking on the phone with someone. Those opinions are good in the "what's up blog" but when you speak of a doctrine, only Scripture interprets Scripture. Sometimes I give an anology of the Scripture to explain it as I read it. I know I do not know all. No one does. But, I am ready to give a reason why I believe in what I believe in. I study hard an long because I love talking about God.
---Mark_V. on 9/2/08

Mark ... just a further comment ... You say I am complaining ... no ... just trying to clarify where we differ, and where we agree (because we do agree on a lot)

And you say I've given no scriptures ... I have previously & indeed recently, not to try to prove you wrong, because I know you are not going to change your view, but to show why I beleive a certain way.
---a on 9/2/08

Mark ... Yes I was stating my opinion
I was wrong to say the God I worship is not the same as your god. We both worship the same God. Our perceptions of Him differ & I was trying to summarise the diffrences.
I don't mind you putting yuor view, and I hope you don't mind me putting my view. Neither of has the right to make the other keep silent.
To me John 3.16, and also the passage that MIC now quotes show an offer from God to which we are free to respond. But you disagree
I'm sure when we arrive in heaven, we will find that neither of us is wrong, and both are right, for we will understand fully, while at present we both "see through a glass darkly". And we will chuckle together about our arguments here on earth.
---alan_of_UK on 9/2/08

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Alan, you are giving me your opinion. Again you are complaining. No Scriptures to prove what I am saying is wrong. I already know your opinion and you know mine. If you have Passages to prove what you are saying is true, bring them out. Lets read them and cover them by context. What you said, that your god is not the One I worship and speak of has already been acknowledge by me. I agree.
1. The light of Scripture comes by the Holy Spirit. If it does not come from Him, a person can never understand Scripture.
2. Faith comes from God by grace. If faith does not come, man cannot believe.
3. All lost don't have free will, they are in bondage to sin. They cannot escape, and need Christ to set them free. Without Christ they stay in bondage.
---Mark_V. on 9/2/08

Frances, You said the word is not "appointed," but "ordain" Second you ask what bible I'm reading, I'm reading the New King James. The original word is "Tasso", which means "to place" "set" "appoint" "Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed" In 13:43, God had offered the plan of salvation to the Jews first (meaning that God offers the plan to everyone) And the Jews had rejected it. Paul then turns around and gives the word of the Lord to the Gentiles, and they were glad and glorified the Word of the Lord, And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
---Mark_V. on 9/2/08

Frances, I never said distruction of the body is distruction of the soul. I don't know where that came from. No argument on that point. Again Frances, I have 7 Bibles and have all the greek and hebrew interpretations on my Wordstudy Bibles that have all the words and there meanings. If I run into a passage that seems to contradict another I will search for the Truth. The Gospel is presented to all, and rejected by many. The one's who reject it have no excuse as far as God is concern. They love what they are doing and do it out of their own will. No one makes them rebel against God. Not God. All God does is allows them to continue in their state for He is under no obligation to save anyone.
---Mark_V. on 9/2/08

Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

I ask you did his servant have faith.
You are right it is a gift freely given, buy to all, by God to them he picks one at a time.

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Go thy way, and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee.
Think on this! Why, as you believe one must have faith first.

The lord is forgiveness, the love of god. To know this is faith, but faith for all.
---Frank on 9/2/08

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In Luke 10:19, Jesus gave us authority over all the power of the devil. Casting out demons was roughly 25% of Jesus ministry and further that ministry was passed along the disciples and so on throughout the bible. Any bible-believing, Spirit-filled Christian with enough faith absolutely can cast out a demon. I have seen it done and done it numerous times. We hold huge retreats of 500+ people where that is what the whole retreat is about. My only concern would be whether or not all Christians should be casting out demons. There is a critical element to this and that is making sure that house is filled back up with the Holy Spirit so that demon cannot return 7 times worse. Luke 11:26 and Matthew 12:45.
---Pam on 9/2/08

I dont understand this whole arguement on calvinistic belief. How can you say God sends people to hell? joshua says in the old testament to "choose you this day whom you will serve" now hopefully you can see that if you never had a choice then making a choice to serve one god or another was pointless and therefore that verse is uneeded in the Bible which cant happen. yes i bleieve that God knows all but the risk of free will is one that God made when he made man.
---Kyle on 9/1/08

Clearly in Acts 13.48, the meaning is not that humans were the ones ordaining, but that God was, however, it was not a process of picking out those who He had already selected through no merit of their own, but people who had believed in Jesus and so merited their selection through faith. Faith is a matter of choice. It is a gift freely bestowed on all and any who want it. God is not going to pick those who don't want Him.
---frances008 on 9/1/08

Mark V, what Bible did you get that from below Act 13.48. I think a key word is 'appointed'. In fact the original English text KJV is 'ordained'. Now what you need to do is to go to a 1611 dictionary and see what ordained meant. Alternatively seek other usages of ordained in that era and discover what is meant by it.
---frances008 on 9/1/08

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Mark V, destruction of the body does not mean destruction of the soul. The Chosen People were and are the Chosen People, many were Baptized by suffering down through history. Sometimes they got death as a punishment for their sins. This does not mean they were sent to Hell for eternity. In fact Ephesians says that Jesus descended into Hell after the resurrection and led prisoners out of it. They generally got death for disobedience because God wanted to preserve the Jewish People so that Jesus could come and Caiaphas could say, Jesus must die for the Jewish People. In fact He died for all people. No exceptions.
---frances008 on 9/1/08

MarkV, I went for my NIV Bible and looked at Acts 13.48 'appointed' where some guy has written in the footnotes that it is divine appointment. Then I noticed footnotes for 14.23 (same Acts) and the word 'appointed' again comes up. Here the footnote says that it means (looking at the Greek) appointed by humans. In the KJV both verses say 'ordained'. I think you need to put your NIV on a back shelf and buy a KJV.
---frances008 on 9/1/08

Mark ... You have written to me on another totally unrelated blog, about God's sovereignty.
From what you said there, you appear to say again that a God who does not control every move, and every decision of man, is not sovereign, that it would indicate that He has been defeated.
To me that is like saying that an earthly king who wins a war must put to death all the soldiers on the other side, otherwise he would not be the victor, but the defeated.
That is our difference ... not that God is Sovereign, but what that Sovereignty means.
You say that God's sovereignty cannot allow man to have free will
I beleive that God's Sovereignty enables Him to give man free will.
---alan_of_UK on 9/1/08

Alan of the UK: please be advised that I read you post of: 8-27-08.You have expressed yourself well to Mark.Now,I don't need to.And as I avoid arguments,and can not reproduce the Bible in it's entirety here,I will refrain.Please know that some of what I expose is interpretation of PROPHESY,as it has been interpreted to me by men of God who shall remain annonymous.The Word says to PROVE ALL THINGS.I HAD to do just as the WORD says,because I was a doubting Thomas at one time. And I learned to hold fast to that which is GOOD. I don't think there is a soul on earth who is entirely right about all things.We must try the spirits to see if they be of God.Pray without ceasing.Amen.
---Danelle on 9/1/08

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Mark:on 8/29/08,you took my postings and smashed them to smithereens by injecting your OWN interpretations of the Word against those of mine.Someone called you intelligent,but I see many 'religious" spirits in you,to the effect that everyone else has a wrong interpretation,of the Word and only YOU are right.I call you RELIGIOUS and non-spiritual,overriding the opinions of others.I detect a spirit of RELIGIOUS PRIDE in you.I detect no HUMILITY,without which no one will see God!The human/flesh condition,that wants to vaunt itself is still called PRIDE.Examine yourself, because I can't get into your head,as you can not get into MINE.Sometimes, you impress me,but,now your insistance on being RIGHT all the time,has gotten in the way.
---Danelle on 9/1/08

Mark:the Word says: the fool saith there is no God. Another,God says: I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked,but calls men everywhere to repent.Jesus said:except you repent,you shall likewise perish! (refering to the tower of Shilom.)And if a tree does not bear fruit,it is good for nothing but to be cast into the fire.What about your witnessing? Are you a soul winner for Christ? What it all boils down to--is OUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH God.Not how we influence people with ideas and suppositions.You may disagree with people until Christ comes,but,let a man (or woman examine hismelf,herself)to see if they be in the faith.
---Danelle on 8/31/08

Danelle, I'm answering you with respect. I am not going to ask you if you believe in God as you did me. I don't think it's necessary to make that statement to anyone unless they blaspheme the name of the Lord or speak against God. I do read the Bible six hours a day and study about God's attibutes and Soverignty for two hours. Born of the Spirit in 1990 on April 2.

God blesses the wicked as well as the saved. Many times the wicked are blessed with more then a Christian in life, and live better then Christians. That is a statement of fact. God blesses everyone. The wicked's blessings are temporary, ours are for today and eternity. You say God wants to bless, but somehow He cannot, which is false. He blesses whom He wants to bless.
---Mark_V. on 8/30/08

Mark, God does want to bless His people.But, if we are rebellious,He can't. Do you ever read the Psalms? How it was through much crying and repenting that God returned to David after the awful things he had done.It is through careful,diligent study of the WORD tha we learn the character of God. That He is a righteous and holy and a Jealous God and DEMANDS HUMILITY,a quality that is sorely lacking in most people today.Christians are not to wrest that scriptures that are God breathed.I suggest that we all spend more time communicating with Him in sincerity and HUMILITY!
---Danelle on 8/30/08

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Mark ... Your post "John 3.16" on 8/29 and yours of 8/30 are at the very hub of our Faith, and I don't think anyone here has disagreed with what you say in those posts.
---alan_of_UK on 8/30/08

Omnipotent, having unlimited power or authority, all powerful God. God holds all power over His creation. No part of His creation stands outside the scope of His Sovereign control. No part of creation can frustrate the plan of God for the future. There is no one or thing running around loose in the Universe that could disrupt His plans. Satan and forces of this world threaten to undo, we should never fear because we rest in the knowledge that nothing can go against Almighty God.
God being infinite, is able to be aware of all things, and to comprehend all things. He never learns anything or acquires new knowledge. The future as well as the past and present are completely known to Him. He is surprise by nothing for He is Omniscience.
---Mark_V. on 8/30/08

Mark ... You are an intelligent man.

How come then that you do not understand the difference between someone knowing something will happen, and deciding that something will happen?
---alan_of_UK on 8/30/08

Who wants to be called a FOOL? YOU ARE if you don't believe in Him!

where does it say that in Gods Word ...another angry "christian" condemning away

ONLY God calls
John 6:44,65, 14:6, Rom 8:28-30, 9:11

calling someone a fool because they don't believe in God call God a liar

if someone doesn't believe in God they haven't been called BY HIM's pretty simple to comprehend READ Gods Word ...God Calls ...flesh and blood does not call anyone to God
---Rhonda on 8/29/08

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John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life" The Son's mission is bound up in the supreme Love of God for the evil, sinful "world" of humanity (6:32,51, 12:47 and verse 1:9) that is in rebellion against Him. The word "so" emphasizes the intensity or greatness of His love. The Father gave His unique and beloved Son to die on behalf of sinful men (2 Cor. 5:21). Nothing is outside of God. It's His plan working itself out. The death of Jesus was "foreknown indeed (as a sacrifice for sin) before the foundations of the world" 1 Peter 1:20. The very plan of redemption is traced back to eternity.
---Mark_V. on 8/29/08

Mic, God took me out of the RCC. It is an Idolarous denomination. God does not want His children to venerate lite candles to Idols or to worship anyone but Him. Without God I would be in bondage as you are.
God chose, Adam, Seth, Noah, Nimrod, Abraham, Sarah, Israel as a nation, chose Jocob over Esau, Killed Er, Judah's firstborn, chose Joseph, Moses, and the list goes on and on. It was God doing the choosing, and man had no power or will powerful enough to stop God. Man make choice's but whatever choice he makes, must be permitted or allowed by God. Mic, I understand your position, you a Catholic believe your salvation if by deeds of the law, works, and the basis for keeping it, that is why you believe in what you believe in.
---Mark_V. on 8/29/08

Danelle, You ask me if I believe in God. Are you serious? I could have ask you the same but won't. I haven't seen any Scriptures in context to back up what they say, or how God should be. I can back up God's Sovereignty from the Word of God. Can you refute those passages that speak about God? You think that if He wanted no one to parish that He couldn't because man won't let Him? That God's will is restricted by the will of man? Then you answered Athiest and said, God knows who will be saved. Danelle, how can He know who will be saved, and yet man has his own free will? You also said God wants to bless you but you reject Him" "God blesses everyone the good and the bad. Then you call him a fool. What's up with that?
---Mark_V. on 8/29/08

Mark ... MIC has given another scripture which I have previuosly pointed out to you.

Note the word "ALL"
---alan_of_UK on 8/28/08

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Mark:- Your explaination of Omnipotent, borders on Dictatorship.God is not a Dictator.because He gives us CHOICE like how you left His church.Hence the quote"Come to me all you, who are laboured and Burdened and I will refresh you"He does have this omnipotent power but does not use it to rule as your post suggests.He is a God of LOVE.
---MIC on 8/28/08

Mark, Yes God defines love ... John 3.16

Yes God made hell for a purpose ... for those who disobey God and don't repent and accept Jesus gift. Whereas you seem to say Hell is for those who act as God has planned for them to act.

You say "He sees the beginning and the end of what He created since He is outside of time. He knows all who will come to Him and when they will. He is not surprised by nothing or anything for all is in His control"

I agree with that, but you have previously insisted that it is God who decides (not knows) who will come to Him, & thus denies even the chance of salvation to nealry everyone ... and it is that does not reconcile with John 3.16.
---alan_of_UK on 8/28/08

Atheist: Yes, God knows who is going to be saved.He knows what we are going to say before we speak.He is the ALPHA and the OMEGA,the beginning and the END.He says,seeing you have rejected me, I will reject you.God wants to bless you,but He can not because you have REJECTED HIM! Look around you, a painting must have a painTER,a building must have a builDER.Look at yourself,you are a MARVEL of the CREATER.Another proof is that fact that you can think and put words on this blog.Who wants to be called a FOOL? YOU ARE if you don't believe in Him!
---Danelle on 8/28/08

MarkV you do believe in God,don't you? Obviously,because you write what you want to believe about Him and want us to see things your way.The hell you speak of is the center of the Earth,which will burn the unbelievers and those who reject Him.It will erupt when Christ returns and burn this preent evil surface, NOT THE PEOPLE ON IT! jesus said:"I make all things NEW." A new Heaven and a new EARTH. Yes, He is a God of wrath,but He is also a God of love. He knows those who trust in Him.He DOES DEMAND STRICT OBEDIENCE.but He is not willing that you should perish! Stop trying to figure Him out!For lack of space here...HAVE FAITH in Him!
---Danelle on 8/28/08

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Alan, you don't define love, God does. Hell was not created as an after thought. It was created for a reason. What He created He created for His own purpose. He sees the beginning and the end of what He created since He is outside of time. He knows all who will come to Him and when they will. He is not surprised by nothing or anything for all is in His control. He gives life and He takes it. "Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the Word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed," Acts 13:48. The Word of the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 8/28/08

What's with the "Darline"? The bernie_cohen departed without repplying to, "Who gathered them?" in regards to Isaiah 54:15.
---Nana on 8/27/08

Darline, I am glad you think of God the way you explain it. It gives me great pleasure to hear that from you. The words you used in answering me on my post concerning the devil are the same words many now use everywhere. My concern is not who you are but what people are now saying about God. When people talk they put down God because of what they seem to believe is correct.
Nothing happens without God allowing or permitting it to happen. Not one thing. Omnipotent means just that. He has power over all creation. And since He created it all He also rules all. If one thing came about without Him permitting or allowing it, that one thing would be Omnipotent, more power then God and there is no such thing.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/08

Danelle ... there is no need to tell me about John 3.16 ... tell Mark, for it is he who says that God elects to save only a few, that Jesus did therefore not die for us all.

Mark worships a god that makes all mankind, and condemns the majority of its creation to eternal torture for doing what it makes them do.

His god as he says holds power over all its creation, meaning that it creates mankind deliberately to cast it into eternal hell, selecting only a few for salvation.

That is his god

Our God of John 3.16 is a God of Love
---alan_of_UK on 8/27/08

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Isaiah 45:6-8, "I am the Lord and there is no other, I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity, I, the Lord, do all these things. "Rain" down, you heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness, and let righteousness spring up together, I, the Lord, have created it. "Woe to him who strives with his Maker!

Alan, you're angry cause I speak on the Sovereignty of God as written in Scripture. Your god is a defeated god, by men, satan, and demons. His a defeated king with no authority whatsover. Who loses His children to the devil day and night. One who doesn't even know how it will all end. You believe in this god because you never learn about the real God of Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/08

Mark V what Darlene has given is not an example of the Sovereignty(Supreme Power) of Satan. We don't need you to translate what we say according to Mark V. You don't impress any of us by twisting what we say to suit your own purposes. God is the only Supreme Power-Sovereign Christians have and to suggest anything else is not in line with the Bible and heresy. You seem to try to provoke confrontations. Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions,and genealogies,and contentions,and strivings about the Law,for they are unprofitable and vain. Follow whatever religion you please,but don't judge others by Doctrine which is the Tradion of Man and not all the New Testament. Man's Tradition has robbed God's people of all God has for them.
---Darlene_1 on 8/27/08

Well, I will tell what I think I know! The spiritual gift in this you can when the power of God comes upon you. Can any Christian cast out demons? Yes, if the power of God is upon you to do it. My sister who is an unbeliever went to class to learn how. I ought to call her for some assistance. See how well she might do. Because I am a born-again Blood bought believer. God's power has not, as of yet, come upon me to do this.
---catherine on 8/27/08

Alan, My God is not your god. My God is Sovereign. He is Almighty and King of Kings and Lord of lords. Who rules with power. It is not by your rules and your standards. My God controls everything from beginning to end and He can come and do away with sin, Satan, demons, any time He so pleases. He is not restrain by nothing or anyone. He is in complete control of even the rain, the storms, the leaves that fall the birds that fly, in Him we live and move and have our being.
So you are right in that you worship another god and not the God of Scripture, who comprehends all, is Omnipresent, (everywhere at one time) Omniscience, (knows all, past present and future) and is Omnipotent, (holds all power over His creation).
---Mark_V. on 8/26/08

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Isaiah 45:6-8 "I am the Lord and there is no other, I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity, I, the Lord, do all these things. 'Rain'down, you heavens, from above, And let the skies pour down righteousness, And let righteousness spring up together. I, the Lord, have created it. "Woe to him who strives with his Maker! listen to the words of the Lord.

Alan, your god is defeated day and night by men, satan and the demons. He is not sovereign ruler, but a defeated king, ruler of nothing. One that loses His children to the devil day in and day out. One who doesn't even know how it will all end. You believe in this god because you never got to learn about the real God of Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 8/26/08

Alan of the UK,I would need to go over most of my writings to remember what it was that I said to Mark that impressed you.Obviously, it was definitely something that struck a chord with me.Remember John 3:16? Andask yourself if you still think God is unfair.What should have been OUR punishment for the ABOMINABLE sins of humanity,instead was poured out on our Savior!He was mocked, spat upon, had his beard plucked out and nine inch nails helt Him to a tree for us.Please go READ!
---Danelle on 8/26/08

Whoa! Hold on here...How many gods do you guys got?
---atheist on 8/26/08

The Bible tells me there is a place (Hell or Hades) of fire, of great wailing, and gnashing of teeth. It sounds unpleasant to me. What do you think?
---Kenny on 8/26/08

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Danelle I agree with what you say on 8/25.

I do not say God denies salvation to the majority of mankind. It is Mark's god who does that. It chooses who it will save, and it gives no chance to the rest to repent.

Mark's god is not a god of love, rather one of vengeance, even against those who behave as it has compelled them to behave. And yet thst god (the one that Mark describes) tells us to act in love, when it does not act in love itself.

MY God is a God of Love, and is Sovereign, not the dictator that mark would have.

What puzzles me is why on 8/22 you approved what Mark said?
---alan_of_UK on 8/26/08


So does God already know who is going to be saved?

Do the unsaved burn in Hell?
---atheist on 8/26/08

Paul,please read Mark 16:17 Jesus said "Igive YOU power over all the power of the enemy."In MY name shall YOU cast out demons!" The fasting Jesus did was to humble himself to receive power from God, the Father.The desciples did not fast while Jesus was WITH them. The only anointing we get in this FLESH,is through FASTING.
---Danelle on 8/26/08

Alan, take a time out and go to the corner and read your Bible. When you get back then ask me something that will make some sense for your edification. In the mean time, find a book that will list all of God attributes, character and nature. "Then you can ask some legitiment questions for the glory of God not for you to keep face with everyone." I am not here to please your hunger to argue. Have a great day learning about God.
---Mark_V. on 8/26/08

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Darline has given is an example of the Sovereignty of Satan. God been defeated by satan. What kind of Almighty God do you believe in? You said, "to say that God allows free will is not to say He is not sovereign" "a ruler who allows free will is better Sovereign then one who is a dictator." Your words. The God of Scripture does not give everyone free will to do what they want. They are under a Covenant of works. In this Covenant God requires total obedience to His rule. All human beings are under that Covenant whether they believe it or not. The covenant of works is the basis of our need of redemption. Because we have violated it. And our hope of redemption, because Christ has fulfilled its terms for us.
---Mark_V. on 8/25/08

Once again Mark you do not answer my question.

Is this part of yuor predestination doctrine, that you don't need to concern yourself about teaching others?
---alan_of_UK on 8/25/08

Alan of the UK,you leave me baffeled in your assertion that God is denying the majority of mankind salvation.God says,: "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked." But, rather,calls on everyone to repent.Jesus came to save the world, not to condemn it. He said: "if I be lifted up.I will draw all men to me." Please refresh yourself in the Gospels. And the last chapters of Rev.Not everyone will be saved.but the ,majority will be.The rest are cast into outer darkness,weeping wailing...
---Danelle on 8/25/08

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