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Why So Much Suffering

I hear some people say, "There is no God because there is such severe suffering in the world." What's your opinion on why suffering is part of life?

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well pain is a teacher,without it we would never learn what is dangerous,and probably not best for us.also suffering as it relates to God is a act of purification.and a way that God teaches us spiritual truth.also it is a fact of nature and a result directly of the fall of day God promises there will be no suffering,but while we live here, in a fallen state suffering is and always will be a part of our lives.
---tom2 on 12/22/08

To Whosoever has an ear to hear?

Total Joy & Peace comes from "Surrendering" to the Love of God!

All pain & suffering comes from "Control", from us trying to control our circumstances, when we were created to be in a complete state of obedient surrender to God's DRAWING & MAINTAINING of us into His eternal salvation, which is now ONLY found in Christ.

It's through our disobedient mind set of thinking, that we are free to make our own choices in life, that leads to us try to control our life which takes us out of the Peace & Joy of the Love of God and causes all the pain & suffering we find!!!!!!
---Shawn.M.T on 10/9/08

God made us human. Then corrupted ourselves with sin. I think the more Christ like we become the more 'human' we become 'human' in the sense of God's intended design.

The point being is that God didn't create us to suffer but He did create us with free will. This free will resulted in the fall and subsequent suffering that has followed.

For me the issue about pain and suffering is should God have created the world. Personally I am ecstatic that he did.
---martin_nz on 9/29/08

these people dont understand or believe the gospel message then.jesus came to earth to suffer for our sins,we suffer because of our sins.if sin did not exist then suffering wouldn,t either and possibly none of us would be here,and adam and eve would still be in the garden.
---tom2 on 9/26/08

Suffering IS a Blessing in disguise,
Endure & Overcome that you may be called the Sons of God!
Do you need the verses AGAIN?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/25/08

the bible let's us know that we will suffer many things. Because Jesus did. Anytime we choose to follow Jesus we must suffer. It is for out learning. How would we know that he is real, and can solve our issues in life if we never had a problem. that is the problem with people they do not want to suffer nothing.We are no better than Jesus , he suffered and if we are going to follow him we have to also suffer. We learn to Trust him in whatever is going on in our lives. This is a growing process it does not come overnight. Trust in the Lord and do good and wait patiently for Him. God Bless
---joy on 9/25/08 can we as mere people complain about suffering ? Look at what God has done for us ! I have gone thru trials and suffering, and it has only made me stronger and made me who I am today. I am not saying I welcome suffering, but I have learned the right way to deal with it and that is to pray about it and humbly ask what you need to do, and if you are in His Will, you will get the answers you need or at least a peace in your heart knowing you did the right thing. God bless everyone !
---Stephanie_Reecer on 9/25/08

Multiple baptisms????

Ephesians 4:4
"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call,...

Ephesians Lord, one faith, one baptism".
---more_excellent_way on 9/24/08

do you know how gold is refined? in are iam not talking about diseases,or accidents,but in general terms of lifes ups and downs.but as a christian we should eventually start living a life that is not a roller coaster.but get use to it,when paul was blinded a man was sent to him and was told directly by jesus tell paul how much he will SUFFER FOR ME.there ya go ,but most wont like this answer.
---tom2 on 9/24/08

lets see, lets go back in anti biotics or medicine of any kind, even anastetics until after the civil tvs,no football ,baseball,movies,videos,and games,hardly any entertaiment.walked everywhere usually,no cars,no air conditioning,hunt for your food ,or grow it all.and on, and on ,and on. so let me ask jus how much did people suffer oh say before 150 years ago and back thru time?by comparison.what was their comfort ratio ,compared to ours today?oh yes ,but were they closer to God for it,are we really blessed?
---tom2 on 9/24/08

Suffering is, in my opinion, one way that many will achieve Salvation. It is one of the baptisms. Note that the great multitude who will be saved in Revelation are those who come out of great tribulation. Whether or not they ever had the chance to hear the gospel, I believe God had a purpose for making them, and for allowing their suffering, and that was to bring them into His Kingdom.
---frances008 on 9/24/08

People who have a special/overwhelming concern (are sad/low in spirits) about all of the suffering in the world and would prefer that there be peaceful co-existence have a heavenly spirit/demeanor.

Matthew 5:3
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" (the present/inner heaven, Revelation 21:1).

That's not to say that they have all accepted Jesus as savior, but if they did, they would easily be able to learn the "sword of the spirit" (Ephesians 6:17, Hebrews 6:1) and the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10) in order to "enter by the door" (John 10:1).

God created the EARTH and all CREATION, mankind created the suffering and evil.
---more_excellent_way on 9/24/08

mike, yes God can take anything meant for evil and turn it around for the good. There was suffering back then whether it was by the pharisee or the pharoah. My point is that God does not cause any suffering. God will even allow things to happen to you to teach you. Haven't you read Job. God let the enemy do what ever to Job BUT take his life just to prove that Job was a true servant of God. That is what I was refering to. There are lots of Christians on here that take things way to extreme and read MORE into what someone is saying. If you don't understand something just say that and ask the person to elaborate instead of assume. God Bless!
---ginger on 9/24/08

If you think this is suffering(?)
just wait and see what's coming...
Many, will only turn to God thru suffering
and many have already and many more will again soon.
Praise God for his resolve to save those that would turn to him...
I'm so thankful I've alway's relied on him in the goodtimes & the badtimes...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/24/08

suffering is the fire that purifies the people of God. Yeshua said pick up your cross and follow me. But suffering is also because we have left the law of God. We do what we want but say to ourselves we are keeping God's word. But to say if there was a God why all the suffering, we allow the suffering not God. We sin against God and man, there is no blame on Him, its on us! Look at how open sin is in this world, do we need to really ask why we suffer! God's people need to start being very open and take a stand for God Almighty and His ways, we need to stand open and firm against the sins being comitted!
---wayne on 9/24/08

You guys really have no clue. You don't even understand the kingdom of God. So sad.
---brooks on 9/24/08

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now lets see.we christian believe jesus came down from heaven and died for ours SINS on a cross,when we confess jesus and are born again God forgives us our sin is in the world.the bible also tells us that all have SINNED.suffering is part of this life,just as jot at the birth of your child is part of life.good and bad,light and dark,up and down,in and out,left and right,yes and no.
---tom2 on 9/24/08

oh yes,not loving your neighbor is a sin.being a dictator and mistreating people is sin,everything that men do to mistreat one another is sin.everything you said about people and the world is sin.jesus said be in the world but not of the world.that the problem the world follows the desires and lusts of the flesh,greed,power,money,sex,entertaiment,the 7 deadly sins.SIN is the cause of all of the worlds sufferings.and that is a fact.
---tom2 on 9/20/08

to ken
I am not talking about years of life. I am talking about who is going to fix the pain & suffering of those who were affected by the sins of others. and listen to the answers of christians regarding pain & suffering. it is always sin. look at your equation sin = curse/punishment, obedience=blessings. that is another reason why people get in bondage of childish & immature teachings bec. their thoughts are focus on the results of sin, that is why they can't think straight, then they miss the blessings. with that kind of equation, is that refuge? that is why there doubt, fear & guilt bec. everything is pointed to sin or it is not biblical.
---mike on 9/18/08

Mike, Adam's sin affected everyone and everything which came after. Sadly, the sinfull act of one can indeed ruin the life of another. Here is where I take refuge...we tend to look at LIFE in years, in that, we will be 70 or 80 and that is our life on earth. During that time, others actions and choices (people we know, national leaders) will affect us for good or bad. But why look at LIFE in terms of years? God exists outside of time, He is timeLESS, 70 years is barely a blink of an eye for him...AND US! Through Him we have eternal life where time and sin are irrelevant. Sin = death (and misery) but the opposite, sinlessness = Life and that eternal. That's what we can take refuge in.
---Ken on 9/18/08

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to josef
malachi 2:7
7 For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge, And people should seek the law from his mouth, For he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.
8 But you have departed from the way,
You have caused many to stumble (caused many mess in others lives) at the law.
You have corrupted the covenant of Levi,
Says the LORD of hosts.
so suffering is for man's growth & understanding? how can a man grow & understand when he is brainwashed in the name of obidience.
---mike on 9/17/08

to ginger
during the days of christ, the people were suffering bec. there were pharisees & experts in the law who makes the people suffer more. how can something bad turned to good when the pharisees would put them into bondage. nobody will be free of suffering or the bad turned into something good unless there is action. that is why the action christ took was to rebuke them & not just sit down & wait for god to turn the bondage of the pharisees (bad) into something good.
---mike on 9/17/08

james, did you ever consider that it was God who blinded Saul, then appeared to him in his physical form(Jesus)? We must remember that God can take something ment for bad and turn it around for HIS good. Saul thought what he was doing was right. He thought he was not sinning, so God used that, and turn it around. If God just always came to our rescue, we would not ever realize we NEED him. So he allows these things to happen for us to realize we NEED HIM. That being said, I will have to agree with mostly everyone here. In sin, we choose our will for ourselves. In Christ, we choose God's will. Your will Father not mine, Be done.ginge7376
---ginger on 9/17/08

is it the sins of the people that's why they suffer?
what about the sins of one person that affect the lives of thousands. what if a leader of a nation is corrupt, arrogant, a dictator. even if 50% of the people of a nation obeys the law, they still suffer bec. the leader uses force, intimidation & steals the taxpayer's money, who suffers - the people. what about ignorance? if a person is ignorant & is told to obey so another person can get rich, the ignorant person suffers. so it is not always sin.
---mike on 9/17/08

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opinion? SIN and thats not an opinion.
---tom2 on 9/14/08

James, again you say you cannot see how Jesus blinded Saul, You have to believe, by faith, the word of God. You also say if God interfered He would be like Satan. God's sovereign power the same as Satan, really? I was under the impression that Satan was not sovereign. That he was created and is not even omnipresent. How could a Sovereign Holy God be as Satan? "Is it not lawful for Me to do what I wish with what belongs to Me? Matt. 20:15. "For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion," So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy." Romans 9:10-24. God contradicts your view that He cannot interfer.
---Mark_V. on 6/22/08

Easy answer here: God does NOT mess with our power of choice. (This is one reason I can't see how Jesus blinded Saul). God knows what IS going to happen, but He will NOT interfere for that would place Him with what Satan does.

Having said this, the time of trouble is for those living to make up their minds, to choose truth or lies. And those people who say God is 'love', will be surprised when God's wrath gets poured out.
---james on 6/19/08

frances008_I know, It was for the Glory of God!
frances you need a power outage were you live, it might help if you got away from U2'B 4 awhile!

Answer to Blog "?"
Heb. 12
3For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons, for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/19/08

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Hi Elder, I don't know if he's depressed. He claims to still enjoy life, appreciates the good life he has. But really, how can someone be really happy if he's lost the most important belief of his life?
---deb on 6/18/08

Are you saying he became depressed?
---Elder on 6/17/08

Thanks to all who responded. I know of a man who spent his life learning ancient languages to better interpret the bible. He was a minister and a scholar. He became stumped when it came to understanding suffering, and lost his faith. Pity.

I agree, the struggles all of us face in life help us to learn and grow. Praise God!
---deb on 6/11/08

Jesus suffered. It depends on the suffering

Sinners suffer because they are sinners all having free will...Can't blame God for our doings..greed, lust...murder...lying etc.

Christians suffer as those who are in the fellowship of HIS sufferings..Phil 3.

Christ suffered leaving us( Christians) an example to follow, as did Paul, and is the model for the church now on earth. 1st Peter 4 gives that reason why. Different reasons and different outcome. Ours is sanctification.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/08

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well deb,first theres sin in the world, the flesh,this causes rebellion and to Gods will and word.the sin is a choice made by each of us usually to gratify the desires of the flesh.because of this there are consequences to the choice we make against Gods word,and because we are cursed from the the worlds standards even the apostles and early christian suffered and were persecuted for their choice to follow jesus.and suffereing is a purification process that God uses to draw us closer to him.
---tom2 on 6/11/08

Suffering comes from three different sources. 1st from God testing us to help us grow and mature, as well as get rid of anything displeasing to Him in us. 2nd from us making bad decicions and sinning. 3rd the devil and his demons trying to stop God's people from succeeding in life. We are always engaged in spiritual warfare with ourselves (flesh), the world, and the devil.
---Leslie on 6/10/08

DDM, I am not arguing whether or not people suffer due to their parents sin. That seems to me to be self evident wherever you look in society. The problem is that the verses you quote show us Jesus saying that in that case it had nothing to do with the man's parents.
---frances008 on 6/10/08

There are great scriptural references and blogs here. When I think of the suffering I am reminded that in heaven, we will never cry or suffer again! He is going to wipe away every tear. Also the bible teaches that a Christian should rejoice in taking on the suffering similar to Christs. We will never suffer as much as He did. Praise be to Him!:)
---jody on 6/10/08

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Mat 24:6 - And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled, for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

These are the words of Jesus himself. Google me.

---Cross_Bearer on 6/10/08

There is a God and there is suffering in the world because the Lord said there would be! If we believe the Lord's Word, we know that we do not have to be troubled.

Matt.24:6-8 ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass...For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in different places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
---Shawn.M.T on 6/10/08

John 9
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, WHO did SIN, this MAN, OR his PARENTS, that HE was BORN BLIND?

3 JESUS answered, NEITHER hath this MAN SINNED, NOR his PARENTS: but that THE WORKS of GOD should be MADE manifest IN HIM.

Some do suffer because of THEIR Parents sins!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/10/08

John 9
1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/10/08

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Heb 12
5 And YE have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto YOU as unto CHILDREN, My SON, despise NOT thou the CHASTENING of THE LORD, NOR faint when THOU art REBUKED of HIM:


7 IF YE endure CHASTENING, GOD dealeth with YOU as with SONS, for WHAT son is he whom THE FATHER chasteneth NOT?

SO, Endure!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/10/08

christians who say that suffering is the cause of sin are human dogs. the pharisees experts have that mentality. and they make the suffering worse bec. of 'punishment' message from god. If your child was run over by a car or was born blind, does that mean it is bec. of sin? if that is the message of the gospel is that a god of love. and christians do not have any answers for the suffering of man - always pointing to sin.
---mike on 6/10/08

1.The Father allows "suffering" for mans growth & understanding. Satan is an accuser looking to condemn all who place their trust in God. He is used of the Father to bring up & out of the believer all that is within us for our examination. Giving us opportunities for true repentance which will always lead to reformation and a deeper understanding of ourself, our priorities & our relationship with Him. We are anointed & set apart for spiritual growth, & with growth comes pain.
---Josef on 6/10/08

Jesus promised that His followers would suffer Luke 21:17-19.
Suffering is unavoiable but can be a growing experince. James 1:2-3.
Suffering is sometimes allowed to demonstrate the power of God. John 9:2-3. PR
---Pierr5358 on 6/10/08

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2. Through the hardships of life we recognize that in all we go through the Father makes a way for us to stand. Thru the pain of the trials of life, the mental, physical, emotional stress & duress that arises out of a sense of pressure that sometimes overwhelms us during unpleasant & sometimes dare situations or circumstances we are strengthened. The Fathers strength consummates our character during & thru our weakness. In every storm engulfed in darkness there is illumination. Cont3
---Josef on 6/10/08

3. Insight & awareness that is brought to light by the turbulence of the storm itself. The mental, physical and/or emotional duress brought about by the storm once recognized & acknowledged as vain & futile can be calmed simply be speaking that awareness. With the darkness recognized, light will be revealed. As for the general suffering of man, it's a result of life in this fallen system. However the Father has set the faith-filled apart as a show piece demonstrative of His way.
---Josef on 6/10/08

Alot of people dwell on the situation they are in which makes things worse. At times it is hard to let it go and give it all to God. I would be the last person to say that is easy. No matter what life or Satan throws at us, we just need to stand firm on God's word and keep on going, striving to make it. Serving Christ isn't hard, being a Christian isn't hard. What I go through with down here, will be worth it all after all, when I reach that city and step over onto the Other Side.
---Rebecca_D on 6/9/08

Lisa, thanks for that enlightened post. Too many people following Satan is the reason for the suffering. For instance, even if you give to a worthy cause, it turns out that much of the money goes into the wrong hands. We need to trust men less, and do things personally to help the poor, stop wars etc. It is trust in men that is the problem.
---frances008 on 6/9/08

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Suffering is a reality. And God is a reality. Though God is so good, there is also suffering. We can see there is so much more good...sunshine, rain, beautiful flowers, healthy babies...but one little bit of pain can get our attention away from all that there is that is good.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/9/08

God gave the gift of freewill for each human being to do good or else to do evil, and both ways have consequences according to which action you choose to do. When one chooses to speak falsehood, cheat, steal, and abuse, then suffering is the result rightly reaped: but when one chooses to speak truth, obey, give, and respect, then wellness is the result rightly reaped. "Will not if you give well, receive? but if however grudging, then your sin lies open in the door" Genesis 4:7.
---Eloy on 6/9/08

Ones say it's not fair that people suffer when they have done no wrong that deserves how they suffer. Sin is not fair. One little stupid thing can get you trouble way more than you deserve. AND, of course, someone or something can hurt you when you have done nothing to bring that on. But > we REAP what we have been sowing > so much more comes back than those little eentsie-beansy seeds we have been sowing (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/9/08

Satan can only cause confusion, tempt, and destroy the peace, he cannot physically cause evil/wrongdoing to happen.

It is a person's own choice to give in to temptation and perform evil deeds.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 "....AND SO BE SAVED" RSV.

Evil/wrong keeps happening because we'd rather blame the devil instead of accept our own responsibility for our own actions. Satan has always been chosen as a convenient scapegoat.
---gr5eg on 6/9/08

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God says, By one Man(Adam)Sin has entered into the World and BY one Man(Jesus)Sin has been taken out of it!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/9/08

Sin entered in when satan rebelled against God. He lost his place in God's government and he's been trying to tear the world apart ever since that event.
All suffering is from the devil, God doesn't bring suffering but sin does. Fallen man has only way out of his fallen state. We all know that's through Jesus Christ.
The world rejects Jesus and blames God.
An unredeemed mind and heart is far from God.
---lisa on 6/9/08

Adam and Eve knew no suffering before sin in the garden. After sin, Adam lost control of the world(turning that control over to Satan and fallen man. History is proving(by wars suffering, death, poverty and misery, that man in his natural state(under Satan's influence) is incapable of ruling the earth. And it is for that reason that we see suffering and pain, wars and misery!
---Mima on 6/9/08

Suffering is part of this earth/world because we live in a fallen world. The sin of Adam, one man, caused a curse to come upon this earth. Also, satan was thrown out of heaven and now is in battle with the Holy Spirit, the battle of good and evil, to see how many people he can take to hell with him. First John says "The whole world lies in the power of the evil one."
---donna8365 on 6/9/08

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