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Is Salvation Maintained

The Assemblies of God teach that salvation is by grace thru faith in Christ initially, but then is maintained by a life of faithfulness and continuing to believe in Christ. This is self-righteousness or works?

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Our Righteousness
Matt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always
Deut 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
Obeying God is our godly righteousness and disobeying God is your filthy unrighteousness.
---Dave on 6/8/09

Is Salvation Maintained?
Before this question we have to ask: Are we saved? According to Eph 2:1-10, and Rom 6:14-22, if we quit sinning, we are saved. So, if our sinning became our past, we are saved by the mercy, love, and grace of God through our faith in God.
Now apply the second question. Is salvation maintained? As long as we do not sin by the mercy, love, and grace of God through our faith, it is maintained.
---Dave on 6/8/09

Very good with your last post but please consider this(not many agree).. In HIM we HAVE forgiveness of sin. I dont believe Christians are in and out of forgiveness of sin FOR sin has no power over us. We live by faith in HIM and what HE has done.
---duane on 6/8/09

Miche, I have been studying scripture for over 40 years.

You wrote there is no such thing as a sinner saved by grace. I guess you believe what is written in Ephesians 2:1-10 is a lie.
---Rob on 6/8/09

Miche, you wrote there is no such thing as a sinner saved by grace. What about what is written in 1 Timothy 1:12-17. Is this a lie, or is this truth?
---Rob on 6/8/09

Rob, you are in Christ right? RIGHT.
Then you are a Saint of God.
I pray you are a saint because Christ calls all those who abide in Him SAINTS. When you received Christ you became a SAINT. You are no longer a sinner.
Christ removed sin from you. Now, if you have sinned since, I pray you have asked for forgivenes.
God bless you brother!
(by the way, There is no such thing as a sinner saved by grace. You are Either a Saint of God or a sinner.)
---miche3754 on 6/8/09

MarkV~ Miche loves you and all others just as she loves herself. If she did not love you and all others just as she loves herself then she would not be so diligently trying to share the whole gospel with you and all others.

'Forked tongue' merely means speaking with contradictions.

Miche not only knows the scripture you post on your posts, but she also shares other scripture that needs to be harmonized with the scripture you share so that the Bible makes sense in perfect harmony. She does not merely look at a few isolated scriptures, but looks carefully at ALL scripture so that she is able to share the complete truth of God's word.
---Anne on 6/8/09

Rob~ To obey Jesus and the leading of the Holy Spirit is not living under the law. To obey Jesus and follow Him is being His deciple. If we don't live to follow/obey/abide in Him then we are not His deciples and we are not saved by His grace.

To live under the law means to live under the Jewish law or manmade laws. We are not to live under manmade traditions or the old law (like circumcision etc.), but rather to live under the commands of Jesus and to follow and obey Him if we are truly His deciples.
---Anne on 6/8/09

Also Rob, you really need to study more of God's word because ALL of it applies to you.

2 Timothy 3:15-17 (New King James Version)
15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work
---miche3754 on 6/8/09

Miche, are you still trying earn, live, and maintain salvation under the law? If so, you are under a curse. Miche are you saying you do not sin and are without sin?
No I am not. Try reading the book of James if you think I am.
And you really think that the GOSPELS weren't written for You?! Oh MY!
ALL of the word is for all! If you study your word, you would know this.
Try reading the scriptures I gave. Then you will see they shot so many holes in your ides of OSAS.
Do you think you aren't suppose to obey!? Lodr, I am praying for you then.
---miche3754 on 6/8/09

Miche, what do the scriptures you shared have to do with a person losing or maintaining their SALVATION.

I just happen to know the books of Matthew through the middle of Acts were written to the Jews, are under the old covenant, and under the old dispensation. This is part of the mystery of the Gospel which I have shared in the past. Either you still don't understand this or you still reject it.

Miche, are you still trying earn, live, and maintain salvation under the law? If so, you are under a curse. Miche are you saying you do not sin and are without sin?

I have made the choice to live under GRACE by having faith in the finished work of Christ.
---Rob on 6/8/09

Markv, to stab you in the back I would have to do things secretly behind your back. There is nothing secret about what I have said to you.
If I didn't have love for you, I would not endure you telling me I don't receive God's word. Which is a lie. You teach contridictions from God's word, Markv. I am mearly pointing this out to you. God is not a God of confusion or twisted speach.

I have always received God's word. But the word I refuse to receive is from YOU, not God. If you look at my previous post, I certainly know what God has to say. And your doctrine doesn't follow it. SO, like I said, get out of your doctrine and really look at God's word.
---miche3754 on 6/8/09

Miche, the words you rejected of Jesus is the very point you find yourself here answering to me the way you do. As Jesus said, "He who is of God hears God's Words, therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God" This very Words of Christ comes to you with the authority of Him whom you say you love. You also say you love me, and stab me in the back by calling the very Words of God false when you say I speak with a fork tongue. The love you say you have is not true love, if it was you would hear God's Words. But you don't hear. Many don't understand the passages, at least they can look and have an open heart in case they are wrong, but not any of you. The Truth stare's you in the face and yet you refuse to accept it.
---MarkV. on 6/8/09

Rob, have you considered these scripture?
Matthew 5:13, 5:29-30, 7:21-27, 24:12-13, 25:30
Luke 9:62, 12:41-48, 15:11-32
John 15:1-9
Acts 14:22
Romans 11:20-22
1 Corintians 3:9-17
"If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy, for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are
1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 9:27, 10:1-12
Galatians 2:17, 5:19
Philipians 2:12
Colossians 1:23
Hebrews 3:12-19, 10:26-30

Just a little taste of the WHOLE TRUTH.
---miche3754 on 6/8/09

We stay saved the same way we were saved.
Can we lose our faith in HIM? I really dont know, as Ive never been there. BUT until that time, I know I can never lose my salvation. To me, OSAS is trusting in HIM.
---duane on 6/8/09

Thank you Anne for the encouragement. Markv knows I love him, even though he's the way he is. No, what he says doesn't affect me because I have never forgotten where God has brought me from. I have given Markv MANY scripture, so have others. Yet he still holds to the few scripture that he has misunderstood to say OSAS is true. So, like I told him, I am praying he gains the whole truth before it is too late. It would hurt me to see any of my brother's and sisters left behind because they only see half of God's wonderful word. Markv must understand these key simple "milk" concepts to truly use the other knowledge he has of God's word. You can know what the entire Bible says and still not grasp that obedience to God is part of salvation.
---miche3754 on 6/7/09

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Anne, have you considered what is written in John 10:27-30 and Galatians 2:20-21?
---Rob on 6/7/09

We are not to "set at nought" a brother, that is, pass judgment upon him, or declare him unworthy because of his opinions, scruples or rationalizations. Quarreling and jealousy are in a list of things which are said to be unbecoming (Romans 13:13), and anger, selfishness, dissension, and the party spirit, are works of the flesh (Galatians 5:20). Those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
---mistyec on 6/7/09

MarkV~ We are all sincerely striving to be kind to you. The problem is that your teachings are partial truths, and this is comparitive to the way that Eve was deceived by the serpent.

You teach that we only need to have faith in Jesus' blood to cover our sins. You say no future sins can affect our salvation if we trust that He died for our sins. But if this were true then even demons could claim salvation.

That is not what it means to be born-again Mark, for even the demons have faith, yet they won't be in heaven.

You are not teaching that Jesus only pays for the sins of those who are born-again of God as evidenced by being sincerely repentant and forsaking their past life of sin.
---Anne on 6/7/09

Miche~Don't let him get to you. Hope you don't take it to heart what he's saying. You've been nothing but beyond patient, kind, and sincere in all your ways.

I'm so proud of you, and I 'see' the light of God's Spirit shining through in all your answers. Stay strong and be of good courage. Believe me, your persecution is bringing great glory to God.
---Anne on 6/7/09

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Markv, I don't hear you because you speak with a forked tongue. You are still tossed to and fro.
I hear God just fine. Otherwise, God would not allow me to teach his word nor would he have blessed me with HIS knowledge.
Unlike you who thinks that since you studied under man that you know the things of God. His word say otherwise in 1 Cor. chapter 3. Trust not nor esteem any man that would call himself wise.
Unlike you,I call GOD wise, not myself.
I know what I know because of what God has taught me through his word and the experiences he has allowed me to go through. So, if you want to call a bonafice child of GOD not, then go ahead. You won't be dealing with me then. Still praying for you!
---miche3754 on 6/7/09

Miche~Don't let him get to you. Hope you don't take it to heart what he's saying. You've been nothing but beyond patient, kind, and sincere in all your ways.

I'm so proud of you, and I 'see' the light of God's Spirit shining through in all your answers. Stay strong and be of good courage. Believe me, your persecution is bringing great glory to God.
---Anne on 6/7/09

Miche, I tried to be kind to you, answer respectly, yet you tell me I speak with a fork tongue when I speak the Truth of God's Word. Anne says what I teach leads people to hell, Dave says I am sneaky as when Satan spoke to Eve, Nana, has said many things to me before. Betty tells me to park my car in hell.
But have you heard any of us ever speaking like that to any of you? all speak and answer kindly to all of your answers.

I find that all of you don't have a heart to perceive. You are like the Jews who answer and said to Christ, "Do we not say you are a samaritan and have a demon?" those were those who did not understand the Truth (Christ). After telling them "He who is of God hears God's Words,
---MarkV. on 6/7/09

Miche 2: "Therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God" Jesus answered them after the accusations He had a demon, "Jesus answered, I do not have a demon, but I honor My Father and you dishonor Me. And I do not seek My own glory, there is One who seeks and Judges"
Here, all of you judge us not only our faith but argue against the very Words of Christ. You even have the guts to call His Word a lie. Even when you don't understand you speak with your mouth what is in your heart. And you speak of not sinning, and how terrible it is to sin, but your own evidence shows who you really are. You don't want to discuss the word of God, you want to trash the Word of God.
---MarkV. on 6/7/09

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Mima, thank you so very much for taking the lash's of the whip for me my brother on this Sunday the day of our Lord. You are a true brother for doing what you have done.
It takes alot for a person to stick up for me. It takes a lot for someone to share with you his faith.
Shawn T. has posted so many times and he writes so good that a person would have to be blind to not see the Truth.
Forgive them for they know not what they do when they act in vengence to another.
What's funny is they argue about holiness and show no evidence of it. We are all in great need of Christ every second of the day.
---MarkV. on 6/7/09

Well I want to bad mouth MarkV but I totally agree with what he says so move over MarkV and I will share the whip of these selfrightious people!!!
---mima on 6/7/09

MarkV~ I am praying for you too. I also find your speech and views to be very contradictory. It seems like your views change from day to day, whereas when I listen to Miche, Dave, Nana, Suzie and others their thoughts remain firm, steadfast and clear.
---Anne on 6/6/09

To the main? They have another Jesus. There is only ONE promise keeper and He is the Lord of Glory. Anybody found in HIM as there representative, and substitute satisfying God the Father's law and justice will be found in Christ. For He finished the work!!! nothing can be added or it is not of GRACE. Your faith your repentance...etc those ar all deeds of trhe law ONLY Christ can save and only God inhabits His people writting His law on their hearts (mind)
---steven-rem7000 on 6/6/09

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Yes we can lose salvation so we need God's armor daily.

Many times people who sincerely repent get enticed by temptation and submit back to sin.
Two obvious examples were David and Solomon.
Sin is of the devil.
You can't serve God and sin both.
Sin separates us from God.
Even if we were once an amazing servant of God, sin contaminates/separates.
God does not 'know those' who serve sin.

This is why DAILY we must put on the armor of God to protect ourselves from this evil world and protected by God.

Wonderfully, David at last repented/returned after at least 9 months of sinful living, while Solomon did not return.
This is why the Bible is so full of warnings to be on guard against deception/temptations.
---Anne on 6/6/09

MarkV~ Miche is right and sadly you are seriously deceived and need to get into the Word of God.

The worst part is that your teachings are leading the less experienced Christians astray and could inevitably be leading them down the wide road to hell since you seem to have no real fear of God and the consequences of sin. All your posts seem to show no real concern about the consequences of sin since you are always implying sin has no consequences with imputed righteousness. This is a HORRIBLE and inexcusable deception.

Your teachings are teachings of lukewarmness.

I am not only praying for you, but for those who listen to you so the may not be victims of deception but may see the Light of Truth and walk in the Light.
---Anne on 6/6/09

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When we Sincerely Repent we've denied the will of our flesh and are submitted to the Will of God, in continuing to resist the devil's enticing temptation. Whenever we stumble & fall, it's not back into a sinful lifestyle of those not 'Born-Again', because God is able to make us stand to our Master!! Rom.14:4

God's Grace isn't Deceived nor does it Save 'Insincere Repenting' Believers. They haven't denied the will of their flesh, and shall still be enticed into choosing to 'Apostatize' by rejecting His Spirit to live in sin, like those in James 5:19-20 & Luke 12:45-46.

If they had been of us, they would've continued with us(1 John 2:19), Living in the Obedience Unto Death of Christ.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/6/09

Markv, I already know the truth.
I don't need convincing. I have already been convinced by God himself through his loving Son Jesus.
When someone speaks with a forked tongue as you do, it is because you are not grounded firmly in the word. We must be as the tree planted firmly in the word . With you, I don't see that. You swing to and fro, from on side to the next. Your words contridict, and are confusing. This is NOT a representation of A Mature Christian. It is more of one who is still on milk.
I am still praying for you.
---miche3754 on 6/6/09

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For one is a bondservant to whatever has mastered one and the wages paid by that something are for eternal purposes.

For what was done that the Master of that servant will enable them to stand, for death or for life in the Resurrection. Because if what was done was done in God and through God and for The One, the work would remain, though they, themselves, may only hope to escape through the fires of hades.

One can do nothing unless the Lord had included the glory and talent and abilities from Him for all authority in Heaven and on earth is given to Him and all Judgment is entrusted to the Son of Man who endured more punishment at the ridge of the mount of the dung gate for the maximum punishment available.
---jack_david on 6/6/09

Miche, I'm glad you have not had to restort to using Satan in any of your answers. I know you don't agree with me on many issues but I know we agree on many more. As I said before I am not here to convince you but to give you the Truth. God calls me to give the Truth to everyone, that is my goal. Many others Like Shawn T do as I do, but he writes so much better then me. Many others are here also to help. I wish I could list them all. People who love God listen to see if God is revealing something to them they never knew before. But a person has to have an open heart for God. If they close their hearts because of pride, they will never hear God clearly and if they do they will not respond as if to say, "Not my will, but Your will"
---MarkV. on 6/6/09

Correct...God only saves people who sincerely repent...


Many times people who sincerely repent get enticed by temptation and submit back to sins. Two obvious examples were David and Solomon. Sin is of the devil. You can't serve God and sin both. Sin separates us from God. Even if we were once an amazing servant of God, sin contaminates/separates. God does not 'know those' who serve sin.

This is why DAILY we must put on the armor of God to protect ourselves from this evil world and protected by God.

Wonderfully, David at last repented/returned after at least 9 months of sinful living, while Solomon did not return. This is why the Bible is so full of warnings to be on guard against deception/temptations.
---Anne on 6/6/09

Mark, what do you think freedom is? It is freewill.
I have never seen a man who talks with a split tongue before until now. You say things that contradict. You say choice but its not freewill. You say freedom but that is not freewill. Brother, you need prayer BAD. So I am praying for you. When a person says things like this, it makes me believe that they don't understand the God they serve.
---miche3754 on 6/5/09

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Miche, Shawn T. wrote something very clear. Here it is:
"If later we're living in sin & rejecting His Spirit, then we didn't Sincerely denied the will of our flesh, in our initial vow of Repentance. Jesus is not deceived & He ONLY Saves Sincere Repenter.

God Judges us according to our will & by sincerely denied it, His Grace Draws us into Saving Faith in Christ. It's why the Lord said, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have Chosen you"

Here is something I was talking about. God judges us by our choices. If our will was free He could not judge us right or wrong. But if we deny our will and choose God's will, we will be judge righteous before God.
---MarkV. on 6/5/09

While at Church a few weeks ago pastor asked a good question "when Eve took a bite of the forbidden fruit where do you think Adam was?" Then he repied they did everyting together he was probibally standing right next to her and when he saw she didn't die he took a bite also. I dont know its just a oppinion. :-)
---Keya on 6/5/09

Recently I was told this story. A man is called to a business meeting. He has never met any of the other participant in this business meeting. After being introduced all-around one of the man says, sir I do not mean to offend you, however I am a Christian and the Holy Spirit is telling me that you are a spiritual person. And with that the man replied yes I am. The man recognizing the other man as spiritual was from the Assembl of God Church. I was told this story because the person knows the same thing has happened to me before also always from people from the assembly of God. Question, are the Assembly of God people more sensitive to the spirit or perhaps crazy and dead wrong?
---mima on 6/5/09

Miche, the Bible speaks many times about the will. Making choices is not free will. it is freedom to choose. Has nothing to do with the will. That is why we say, "Yet, not as I will, but as You will." if our will was free we would not have to say that, but we say it because our will has other choices in mind, and we know it does, so we say, "but Your will"
Even Jesus says, "but to do the will of Him who sent Me"
And to the believer, the word of God says, "For it is God who works in you to will" God is working in our hearts so that our will does what He wants us to do. Yet at no time does Scripture anywhere say that the will is free. It is always motivated by something.
---MarkV. on 6/5/09

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You do realize that it was the will of Man that caused the fall of man, don't you?
Where Eve was deceived, Adam CHOSE to fall there by making all born to sin.
Anyway back to blog question.
I don't think it either one.
I think it is the truth. Once Christ picks us up out of the mud, and cleans us up, He does this continuaslu through his word and by teaching us HOW to be obedient to God.
We stumble BUT we grow and learn from Christ.
Christ tells us to remain faithful to him and obedient to him.
I think there are a few that turn it to self-righteousness by judging others when it's not there job.
---miche3754 on 6/5/09

Thank you Markv.

I certainly do understand the will of man and the will of God. I have to choose between them daily.

Both of us are guilty at times for falling to our own will even as Christians.
Thats what you fail to understand Mark.
Even Christians can follow their own will.
If they do this continuosly, they can lose their salvation.
It must be God's will all the time. Even when we don't want to be.
Yes I have given you scripture. God says "Choose this day whom you will serve". God does give us a choice. Giving a choice IS giving freewill.God doesn't make people destined for Hell like you think. God didn't make us robots. We are made in HIS image. This means we have the same freewil he does.
---miche3754 on 6/5/09

Mima, I don't know for a fact what the Assemblies of God teach. I have heard many bad stories but I have never studied them so I have no right to judge them until I do.
If what you ask above is in fact true, I believe they are correct and their salvation is not of works. At least not the way you posted it. For all who are born of the Spirit will maintain a life of faithfulness and continuing to believe in Christ. They are overcomers, endurers. With the love of Christ in their hearts, they are incourages to do good for Christ, and the glory goes to Christ who is working through them.
---MarkV. on 6/5/09

That "fallen man", the preposition that ALL men are fallen, is archaic and ignorant of Scripture. So archaic that it predates the creation of common sense.
1 Chronicles 28:9: "And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee, but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever."
A man who walks in such sound and true fatherly (Godly) advice, or who recalls the advice while wayward and lifts his eyes, he is the one spoken in John 3:21.
---Nana on 6/5/09

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Miche~ I think you are a lot like me, and you walk VERY closely with the dear Lord every step of your journey for you are not naive and you are aware of the deceptions of this world and you KNOW that we must abide close to the Lord in this wretched day. You put on your armor and fight the good fight.

You and I know what it's like to start to get lukewarm and stray and lose focus. You follow God's word and His Spirit closely and keep your distance from the world and its beaconing call.

Praise God that people like you and Suzie etc.are busy warning other Christians (especially less experienced Christians) in love of our need to stay close to our 'Daddy.' He guides us every step of the journey.

God bless sis.
---Anne on 6/4/09

Miche, what you wrote is very true. The reason it is true is because you never mentioned anything about salvation or losing salvation. You wrote about what one sow's. And all those passages are correct.
What you don't understand is what you say I don't understand. If you knew anything about the will of man and the will of God you would understand Scripture. But as I can see you or anyone has never presented one passage, that declares that fallen man has "free will" to choose Christ. Not one is mentioned in Scripture. God knows what the will of man wants, and if it wants something it is not free. If it was free it would not want anything. But fallen's man's will is in bondage to sin.
---MarkV. on 6/4/09


You've rightly spoken in the past & as Anne just shared, we've denied our will to Joyously Live in His Will, this is done when we 'Sincerely Repent'. If later we're living in sin & rejecting the Spirit, then we didn't Sincerely denied our free will in our initial Repentance : and Jesus ONLY Saves Sincere Repenter & is not deceived.

Just as "We're only able to Love God because He First Loved us", we obediently persist til the end because the Lord's Obedience unto Death Lives in us.

God Judges us according to our will & only when we've sincerely denied it, will His Grace Draws us into Saving Faith in Christ. It's why the Lord said, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have Chosen you" John 15:16.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/4/09

Curtis Hudson a Bible writer says this about works. "The man who works in order to stay out of hell is motivated by fear and thus renders the work ineffective!!! "
---mima on 6/4/09

Again, you aren't seeing it all. NO ONE here said that they are doing good orks without Christ.
By making statements like this mima, it seems you are denying the things Christ said in the book of James.
It seems like you are ignoring half of the Gospel.
Christ only saves those accept him AND follow in his footsteps.
---miche3754 on 6/4/09

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Yes, the understanding of God giving us free-will is a key element here for even after we're saved, we have the choice to either:

1. Listen to the leading of the Holy Spirit and follow Jesus/(our conscience so it remains clean) and the Holy Word of God. If we do this throughout our life we are actually having GOD do HIS WORK in OUR LIFE and denying the flesh/our will. This is the narrow road to heaven.


2. Listen to our flesh/will and reject the Spirit. If we choose to sin and not repent we are separated from God. This is the wide road to destruction.

Without free-will God could not rightly judge us, for we would merely be robots.
---Anne on 6/4/09

Anne, Suzie, Great posts ladies!
By the way Markv, I just want to clarify I wasn't talking about "sow a seed" doctrine.
I am talking about what God says to us.
Job 4:8
Even as I have seen,Those who plow iniquity And sow trouble reap the same
5.Psalm 126:5
Those who sow in tearsShall reap in joy.
Proverbs 22:8
He who sows iniquity will reap sorrow, And the rod of his anger will fail
2 Corinthians 9:6
[ The Cheerful Giver ] But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully
Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap
---miche3754 on 6/4/09

Curtis Hudson a Bible writer says this about works. "The man who works in order to stay out of hell is motivated by fear and thus renders the work ineffective!!! "
---mima on 6/4/09

MarkV~ I've been saying that all along... that it's the works of Jesus working THROUGH us that are the works we show in our lives.

I just wanted to make a complete post to clarify it more precisely.
---Anne on 6/4/09

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We must persist in doing good so He'll give us eternal life. (Rom.2:7)

-We must sow to please the Spirit to reap eternal life (Gal 6:8,9)"
Two passages taken out of context. ---Mark_V. on 6/4/09

Not taken out of context Markv. She is right.
We always reap what we sow.
And we are encouraged to press onward.
ALL in Christ will be judged by what works we did in Christ. This goes back to having freewill, Markv. Until you understand HOW freewill works, you won't understand how what Anne and I say is the WHOLE truth.
---miche3754 on 6/4/09

Jesus died to prove that the Word of God was the truth and He lived constantly warning all those who do not obey God that they will be judged by Jesus.

Jesus came as our Saviour the first time, and the next time He will come as our judge.

Those who accept Him as the Saviour must cease from sins.

He saves us from sin.

He helps us overcome the power of sin on our lives.

Those who continue to sin have not accepted Jesus as Lord. In fact they work for Satan by giving God's people a bad name, in service of Satan, the god of this world.

(from Frances/Salvation based on works blog 5/3/09)
---Anne on 6/4/09

Anne, now you finally got it right. Praise be to God for only He can change your way of talking and giving you understanding, otherwise it is not coming from God. Now print that and remember it.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/09

Salvation is a lifestyle

Salvation is when God is doing HIS work in OUR lives.

It is not US doing the work, but GOD doing HIS work through us.

Salvation means living in the Spirit and not the flesh.

Salvation is a day to day experience as we take up our cross each day and let GOD do HIS work in our lives. We deny the flesh/our will and joyously live in His will.

If we are not living to please the Spirit, but to please the flesh, then we are not abiding in the Lord and need to be saved.

We will reap eternal life if we sow to please the Spirit.

To reap eternal life means to eventually gain eternal life if we choose to faithfully follow Him.
---Anne on 6/4/09

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Anne's first three are correct, but two comments at the end or false.
We must persist in doing good so He'll give us eternal life. (Rom.2:7)

-We must sow to please the Spirit to reap eternal life (Gal 6:8,9)"

Two passages taken out of context. All who are truely saved will follow Christ by faith, and will receive eternal life. We will please the Lord because the Lord lives in us guiding us unto all Truth. We don't have to persist, we will gladly do good, we will please the Spirit because we are truely saved. Good deeds is the evidence of true faith for faith without works is dead faith.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/09


1. By grace, not works (Eph 2:8,9)We don't deserve heaven, it's a miraculous free gift since Jesus died for us rotten sinners.

2. Sincerely ask God in prayer to have mercy on you a sinner. (Lk.18:13) Sincere repentance means we'll truly forsake ALL sin. Jesus ONLY saves those who SINCERELY repent.

3. Deny yourself, take up your cross daily counting your suffering as joy as you follow/obey Him (Lk.9:23)

4. God's grace is not a 'free ticket' to heaven. The Bible says:

-We must persist in doing good so He'll give us eternal life. (Rom.2:7)

-We must sow to please the Spirit to reap eternal life (Gal 6:8,9)

- We must endure in Him to the end on the strait and narrow. (Lk.13:24)
---Anne on 6/3/09

Suzie~ How I love the book of Isaiah. What a great verse you quoted to us, since it teaches us that God's true children walk uprightly and in His will, not ours when He makes us new creatures of His. God bless.
---Anne on 6/3/09

Godly living. Faith without works is dead.
---Betty on 6/3/09

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Isaiah prophesying of NT Judgment:

-he hath broken the covenant-

The earth mourneth and languisheth:

Now will I rise, saith the LORD, now will I be exalted...

...The sinners in Zion are afraid, fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites.

Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire...

He that walketh righteously,
and speaketh uprightly,
he that despiseth the gain of oppressions,
that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes,
that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood,
and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil,

He shall dwell on high:
his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks:
bread shall be given him,
his waters shall be sure.
---SuzieH on 6/3/09

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Our Salvation is depended on the Obedience of Christ, upon which we're Drawn into by the Love of God. Once our Heavenly Father has brought us into the Saving Faith of an Obedient New Heart in Christ we're Eternally Saved & Sealed with the Lord's Promise of redeeming Salvation on the Last Day : FOR out of the Heart flows the issues of Life and that's what we're Sealed unto in Christ.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09

1)To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

We're able to Love God because He First Loved us and it's only through being Drawn by God's Love into the Charity of Loving our Lord, God with all our Heart, Soul & Mind, that we're able to 'Endure'(persevere) all things :FOR Charity never faileth!!

Do not be deceived, it's not of your own strength but the 'Passion of Christ' which has persevered unto Salvation. All Glory goes to God for supplying all the needs of the Chosen Elect through His Riches & Glory in Christ Jesus : Whose strength is made perfect in God's Children's weakness, enabling us to do all things, 'Persevering' in His Obedience Unto Death. (2Cor.12:9-10)
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09

2)To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

The Body of Christ is a 'Great Team' who humbly & harmoniously works together for Christ sake to Edify the Brethren.

The will of God's Children is that 'His Will Be Done' AMEN. Salvation isn't a 'Reward' but a 'Inheritance' : God's Free Gift to 'Whosoever Ask'(James 4:1-3) to be Born-Again, into the Obedience Unto Death of Christ.

Now shall we sin, being Saved under Grace, God forbid!(Rom.6:15-22) We no longer put our Trust in man made teachings, no matter how nefariously wise, serious or sound it appears. God nor His Elect shall be deceived, because we have a relationship with His indwelling Spirit who Guides, Teaches & keep us in Remembrance of the Truth we're Sealed unto in Christ.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09

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It is grace, there is no self righteousness..we are all sinners. It starts with hearing the word which leads to faith, faith leads to repentence, the repentence to salvation, and because we are then freed from the law and live under grace we are now complient and obedient to the commands of god. And, we are to endure to the finish with our faith in christ and hope of salvation to the finish.
---wal_rev on 10/21/08

God tells how to get to Heaven. It is a process, the process of growing holy as a child of God, which is called sanctification. Who knows how long this process takes? We are suppose to endure and don't just endure for a day but for a lifetime. Eagerly waiting isn't just waiting for tomorrow but waitng for the tomorrow of our tomorrows.
---sean on 6/17/08

Isaiah 64:6 says ".....and all our righteousness are like filthy rags..." Yes, before accept Christ and even after we accept Christ if we are acting as before we had Him again.The things we do after we accept Him should be His righteousness. We should be doing the things He assigns or "imputes" us to do. These assignments are His works not ours but we must allow ourselves to be stewards though.
---sean on 6/17/08

There is nothing necessary, or possible for us to do to save ourselves. But there is a lot we can do that will condemn ourselves. No outside force can pluck us from God, but we can push our own self-destruct button by not obeying the Word of God.
---frances008 on 6/16/08

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Salvation is a gift but it isn't at no charge or "free" as some people call it. Self righteousness is when we think we can do it on our own and give God no glory for our works. Works that are truly under the influence of God are one of the three things we need for salvation. Faith, works and patience is what gives us salvation. Yes, I did say "is" what and not "are" what gives us salvation because they are all one. You could kinda say they are the witnesses also.
---sean on 6/16/08

---Mayday, post like this, straightforward, biblically sound, utterly true, are very upsetting to some on this blog. Kindly water your message down please!!!!
---Mima on 6/14/08

But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God, From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Hebrews 10
We are born again into Christ. Once you are born your parent is always your parent.
---Mayday on 6/13/08

Salvation first, when you give your life to Christ.
Sanctification next, as you grow closer to Him day by day, always desiring to walk as He walked.
Glorification last, when you are either translated at His coming, as Enoch and Elijah were translated, or resurrected at His coming, as Moses and some of the saints around Jerusalem were.
Then we enjoy eternal happiness forever, immortal, incorruptable.

I dont think continuing to believe in Christ is "righteousness by works"
---Todd1 on 6/12/08

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It is Bible. There are many scriptures which speak of falling away from the gospel and how hard it is to get back once a person has walked away. If salvation was something that a person gets once and can never walk away from, then there is no free will. As far as the "works" part of your question, "Faith without works is dead." We work for the Lord because we believe HE is coming soon and people need to know.
---SusieB on 6/12/08

I won't assume I understand an Assemblies of God doctrine, especially without knowing all the others they teach, to see what it means in the overall context.

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13) So, for one thing, God is the One who maintains my salvation, while *He* "works" me "to will" what He wants. All willing, then, is to be initiated in personal relating with Him (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/12/08

"To this end I also labor, striving according to His working which works in me mightily." (Colossians 1:29) So, Paul worked according to how God in Him was working. So, whether our salvation depends on works or not, still the works we do must be what God in us "works" (Philippians 2:13) for us "to will and to do for His good pleasure."

So, I'd say, our attention should not be to the works, but to how God is personally inspiring and leading us, at every moment (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/12/08

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