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Ongoing Giving To Church

I found this statement while scanning the web. "Now here is the truth: There is not a single Scripture which anybody can quote to show that we should make an ongoing commitment (financial or otherwise) to a specific local church congregation!" Please give your opinion of this statement.

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Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse that there may be meat in mine house,... It is not G-d who needs our gifts, but us who need to give. We give unto G-d because we owe Him everything, 10% is nothing, it is all His. We give because G-d first gave to us, wether it be of Love or hope or money or compassion. We can only give something that we ourselves have already received. We give to where G-d has placed His presence in our lives, ex-local church. It is not that we are giving to a church, but to the reason of the church. So that G-d's presence may be manifest in the Earth. G-d Bless.
---Tanner on 12/4/08

Malachi 3:6-18
Here the Lord says to tithe the whole tithe. This is also the ONLY place in the Bible God says to test him.
I will tell you last year I was recovering from a staph infection 6 wks off work, my husbands work was slow so he was barely brining $300/wk home. needless to say things were tight. I tithed but held back the full tithe it was funny at the end of each week I had what I withheld from God and then some. it took me a cpl wks to figure this out but I then started to give cheerfuly and w/o worry the whole tithe.
GOD is Awesome! our provider!
---Steph on 12/4/08

The Daystar Television Network believes and tells people to give their money to them.

This includes telling people to change their wills, and leave their inheritance to Daystar.
---Rob on 12/4/08

The bible does admonish us to give. Not necessarily to an organized institution but these are to be included in our giving. We give to many charitable organizations throughout the year. Why not to the churches where the word of God is preached? The churches are not perfect. But it does take money to run them. The pastors and leaders also look for salaries,too.This is where a lot of the burdens come from. Too many preachers, leaders on the payroll! They need to get out and get jobs? Then the money can be better used to further the message of Jesus Christ.
---Robyn on 12/4/08

God has entrusted parents with CHILDREN. Your family is your ministry.

The outer temple (and sabbath) hung on the cross. Jesus built the temple "worship center" in His three days on the cross.

John 2:19 "three days" (He spoke of the temple of His body, verse 21).

We are the inner temple (1 Corin. 3:16, 6:19).

When the inner temple had a gate, the gate was closed for six "work"ing days, but now Jesus provides access without the need for "works"/offerings.

Ezekiel 46:1 "six working days"

Matthew 12:8 (Jesus is now "Lord of the sabbath').

Learn the "depths of God" (1 Corin. 2:10) and have "faith for faith" (Romans 1:17).
---more_excellent_way on 12/4/08

It's 10 percent, it is in the Bible. Keep looking.
---Mike_Sr. on 12/3/08

I will give you one. It is absolutely up to God what He requires, because everything belongs to Him. Please, please, please, be careful with what God entrusts to you. His money, time, all posessions belongs to God. So, make sure you are spending His money in ways which pleases God. He knows your situation. He knows. I realize many of God's preachers are firm believers in tithing. However, God should have the final say. One more thing. I have the gift of giving, it is my highest gift. We, however, have two obediences. One God directly, and two the word of God. Stay in prayer.
---catherine on 12/2/08

There is no specific church.
You are to give were you're being "fed" the Word of God.
---BARBARA on 9/1/08

This may be a true statement since there were no formal churches when the New Testament was written. But, common sense needs to prevail at this point. If I do my grocery shopping at Safeway, don't think the manager of Safeway would allow me to pay the A & P grocery store for my groceries. In other words, support the church you attend. From my personal experience of 40 years of tithing, you can't outgive the Lord! It really seems to me that the person who made this remark is just looking for a reason not to participate in the fiancial area.
---wivv on 8/6/08

Pharisee I appreciate your statement, "If I had to give money as a requirement it would be of obligation and not out of appreciation of all that the Lord has is and will be to me."

That is exactly what tithing is for. Appreciation. Tithing is neither NT or OT. It began before the OT was established.

NT giving is totally different from tithing.
---Rickey on 7/25/08

Lets just go and get that half dead, lame, cow and give it to God. Malachi chastised the people for offering the lame and sick animals to God instead of the best, as the Levitical law required.God is wanting the offerings to exemplify the heart of the worshiper. The prophets spoke harshly about the people's concept of sacrifice. They tended to IGNORE FAITH, CONFESSION, and DEVOTION, thinking the mere act of sacrifice ensured FORGIVENESS. So, Isaiah contended that the sacrifices were worthless when they were not accompanied by repentance and an obedient life [Isa. 1:10-17]>>>>God does not need your money. He own everything. We give because we love Him. That's it.++
---catherine on 7/25/08

Paul formed congregations so the transition from the old worship system of the Pharisees to NEW covenant worship could be explained to the people. In Revelation, seven churches/congregations had gained notariety/recognition, but what The Lord had to say to them wasn't very encouraging.

ChurchES/institutional congregations today have 'devolved' because they were always dependent on MONEY, the FAME/EGO of scholarly accomplishment, LITERARY devotion (not PERSONAL relationships), gestures of compliance, and mere faith (instead of "the GREATEST of these", 1 Corinthians 13:13).

Romans 2:28
"nor is true circumcision something external and physical".

Philippians 3:3
"For we are the true circumcision.
---more_excellent_way on 7/21/08

Younger Christians will have need of instruction to learn the introductory doctrine of Jesus (Hebrews 6:1), it is useful for TRAINING...
2 Timothy 3:16...
"All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness"

Titus 2:12
"training us to renounce irreligion and worldly passions, and to live sober, upright, and godly lives in this world"

but when we mature in our devotion/relationship, we have the best teacher available...
1 John 2:27...
"you have no need that any one should teach you"

The scripture does not say that you should not fellowship or exchange ideas or daily spiritual experiences.
---more_excellent_way on 7/20/08

New Testament believers are never commanded to tithe. It's as a man purpose in his heart so let him give, not grudgingly, not of necessity: for,"God loves a cheerful giver. God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work." but there is also a required giving which is towards taxation. Israel paid taxes but no Percent requirement for amount. It was always what ever you want to give. it was always the freedom that you had to give in whatever way you felt God had laid it upon your heart. N.T believers also have to pay taxes. Render to Caesar the things that are Caesars" In America, you have to pay taxes.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/08

More EX. Way,
though many churches are not teaching the gospel, that's true, but you are really suggesting that we don't need Churches at all. That all the pastors are money hungry and that somehow each one of us has the Spirit to guide us, teach us, and so doesn't need any pastors or leaders. You are so far from the truth. The New Testament repeatly emphasizes the importance of local assemblies. In fact, it was the pattern of Paul's ministry to establish local congregations in the cities where he preached the gospel. Heb. 10:24-25 commands every believer to be a part of such a local body and reveals why this is necessary. Read 1 Tim. 4:13, Acts 2:42 the breaking of bread.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/08

In order to do the works of God, we must trust that Jesus did everything that was necessary for us to be reconciled to Him (crucifixion AND leaving the spirit for us to learn Godly behavior, attitudes, and character)...

John 6:28
"Then they said to him, "What must we do, to be doing the works of God?"

John 6:29...
"This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent".

LOVE for God is not measured with money, navigating text with skill and wit, compliance with rules/laws, or being able to believe (faith) in something.

How many of my fellow human beings don't know God because the pastors have always enjoyed money and status/prestige like the Pharisees?
---more_excellent_way on 7/20/08

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Many pastors mean very well, but no matter how well meaning, they have not taught...

the depths of God, 1 Corinthians 2:10.
living water baptism, Acts 1:5.
the cleansing of the conscience, Hebrews 9:14.
that there should be no more fear of God, 1 John 4:18.
that God is ONE, Galatians 3:20, Colossians 2:9.
the sword of the spirit, Ephesians 6:17.
the word of truth, 2 Tim. 2:15, Eph. 1:13.
the introductory doctrine of Jesus, Hebrews 6:1.
that "rivers" (John 7:38, Rev. 7:16) should flow from our heart the same as they did from Christ's side at the cross (or didn't your pastor teach you about the water that flowed from Christ's side??).

"PERFECT law", (James 1:25 and 2:12, Ephesians 2:15).
---more_excellent_way on 7/20/08

The only verse that I can think might be relevant here is where Malachi speaks of taking the tithe to the storehouse. Most people would interpret 'storehouse' as being the church that you attend regularly and by taking it to them they can distribute as they feel God leads them to do. This would only apply to those who believe that tithing is still mandatory. Those who do not will, no doubt, put some money in the collection plate of their church when they attend and give generously of their money to Christian work of one sort or another. God tells us to be a cheerful giver and He wants us to give in such a way that He can use it not just anywhere for any old thing.
---RitaH on 7/20/08

Did your pastor teach you that we should know God as "Abba Father" (Romans 8:15, Galatians 4:6) instead of master/taskmaster and that we should be a FRIEND of God instead of slave/servant (James 2:23).

When a devotion is based/dependent on money/mammon, it is no different than what the moneychangers did, not that it is intentional insincerity of the churchgoer, it is a misguided sincerity that was taught by the moneychangers (the "strong delusion" has been in the churchES all throughout history).

Excuse my prejudice (Matthew 3:7, Luke 3:7).

All verses are from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 7/20/08

as a beleiver we all should know that being a giver is an act of love.there are amnya scripturesthat testify too the begining the believers sold all there possessions and divided them as was the need among all.people who say not ,just dont want to give.
---tom2 on 7/19/08

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God is a provider to all of us. He doesn't need the money for everything is His. He answers prayer many times by the Holy Spirit convicting us to give at times that God sees fit for us to give. When we say we give to God, we are saying, we are giving for the work of God. We are not giving Him anything. The work of God is done by many members of His body. Maintaining a church, materials, utilities, etc. As Pharesee said, you cannot tell with your heart who is truely saved, and who is not, so many times you give to the wrong person. But all you were doing is following your feelings and you felt the Spirit working through you to give then you give. We cannot control the bad people. God takes care of that problem His way.
---Mark_V. on 7/19/08

The Church is as we all know the body of Christ. But when a statement like "specific church congregation" is made it is in essence giving an appearance of a schism in the body of Christ, creating the thought of lack in that which is divinely whole & Holy.

So our ongoing commitment is to the body of Christ, financially or otherwise. The manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal (1Cor12:7), "withal" means every member of the body of Christ.

To withhold from one member of the body is to withhold from the whole body because when one member suffers, all the members suffer with it, or one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it (1Cor12: 26).
---Shawn.M.T on 7/18/08

More exhausting, I'm pretty sure I know who you are.

Not that it matters, I just want you to know your predjudices are showing through the veil you've constructed.

Not all pastors are as you say, and the "more excellent way" is to not lump them all into one group. Have a nice day excellent way.

Oh BTW, I'd like you to know I mostly enjoy reading your posts. God Bless, and good to see you back.
---Pharisee on 7/18/08

GOD is not needy or impoverished, He never was. It is the institutional churches who have always been needy/greedy. The one and only true church (body of Christ) should place no burden on each other.

If you want the mammon institutional churches to survive (while they continue to mislead the people) and continue to do their works/deeds, then you should give them money instead of taking care of all your financial responsibilities and feeding your family well, but if you regard your family as your ministry, be a good steward of the money The Lord has provided you with.

You make your personal choice.
---more_excellent_way on 7/18/08

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The "hirelings" (John 10:13) have forsaken their God-given responsibility that we "enter by the door" (John 10:1).

What pastor has taught...

the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10)

living water baptism (Acts 1:5, John 7:28, Rev. 7:16).

a "more excellent" devotion (1 Corinthians 12:31) based on LOVE for God (1 Corinthians 13:13).

There is much more to the truth of God than pastors know, they lead their followers to become twice a child of hell as they are themselves are (Matthew 23:15). Many pastors can be well meaning, but they still have neglected their responsibility.

...and you feel obligated to pay them????
---more_excellent_way on 7/18/08

There is also no Scripture to prove that you have to eat and sleep at home but if you want a good functioning family you will have to be committed to working together. All through Scripture we find that the corporate meeting place was common to God's people. One of the functions of the congregations in the NT. was that they gave corporately for specific needs. Obviously, this money was given by the people who were committed to it.
---john on 7/18/08

My opinion is that YES, there is no requirement ordinace ect ect.

God would make no such requirement because he doesn't want Pharisees in his church, the instruction given is to give cheerfully with gratitude. If I had to give money as a requirement it would be of obligation and not out of appreciation of all that the Lord has is and will be to me.

So I agree with the writer's sentiment, but I can't speak for his disposition or spirit.
---Pharisee on 7/18/08

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