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Which of the following must you do to be saved?

You have to be baptized to be saved!

You need to speak in tongues as a sign!

You need to make Jesus Lord of your life.

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Simply because Jesus rewrote the law of sin and death (for the saved), is it not foolishness to equate that with some sort of blank check to ignore explicit requirements given of God?...

Mr 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my names sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be damned.

As can be read, above, these words of Jesus are quite explicit. He, being the Author of Salvation, should know: yes?
---BruceB on 2/15/09

TheSeq - I don't understand your response.
---Aaron on 2/14/09

Baptism is a symbolic washing away of sins.
No Sir!

I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
How will he be straitened till it is accomplished!
Yes how?

Know ye not your own self.
---TheSeg on 2/14/09

Romans 10:9 says "if you confess with your mouth jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead you will be saved". Baptism is a symbolic washing away of sins as a sign to others that you want to follow the lord.

When jesus said you must be "born of water" in John 3:5 he was not instituting a new law. he was talking to nicodemus about a prophecy they were both very familiar with, namely Ezekial 36:25-26. "I will sprinkle clean water on you"
---Aaron on 2/14/09

anne the immuresion of water washes your sins away, god is holy and we are dirty becuase of sin in his presence.(Mark 16:15-17) (New International Version)

15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons, they will speak in new tongues

this was thae last thing he said before jesus was taken up to heaven.
---batieste on 2/13/09

Was Abraham's faith in vain, duane?
---Nana on 2/4/09

If Christ has not died, your faith is in vain. For if HE had not died, HE could not have risen.
---duane on 2/4/09

Is God dead that his will be in force?
---Nana on 2/3/09

A will is in force only when one has died....Heb 9, 16:17 The Cross is the dividing line of the covenants.
---duane on 2/3/09

"When the thief died the New Covenant hadn't started yet. It started at Pentecost and that's when baptism began as the initiation ceremony into the New Covenant." The apostles were baptizing concurrently with John and the Lord offered his blood and flesh before Pentecost. I believe the New started the first moment that God put Christ in the mind of man. When was that?
---Nana on 2/2/09

Bob~ I was baptized by sprinkling and full immersion, but water baptism is not the true Spiritual baptism, but simply a sign before others of your faith in God.
---Anne on 2/2/09

Rod, thanks for the finishing touch with 1 Cor 1:17. Sometimes we can't remember everything concerning a certain subject, but its nice when a brother or sister helps you out. Naulon I appreciate your input. I've asked this question before. I attended a Spirit filled church with altar calls and I saw many people accept Jesus as their Savior. Maybe six months later the pastor held a baptism in a local pool. Most churches are similar in this practice. If one or more dies before they are baptised, what happens to them?
---Bob on 2/1/09

2 Timothy 3:16,17 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. I want to thank you my brethren for correcting my statement about the thief not being baptised, being under the old covenant law, etc..I was wrong! I for one should have known that what with all the time I've devoted to studying Paul's teachings. I must have reacted to one of those fleshly feelings that Paul talked about in Romans 7, conflict of two natures.
---Bob on 2/1/09

Bob: Thanks for your input. You're right. I Cor. 12:13 Is baptism by the Spirit. There is One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism by the Spirit as also explained in Ephesians 4:4-5. The gospel is explained in I Corinthians 15: 1-3, "the gospel which I preached to you...I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures..." baptism is not mentioned here. While we are in I Cor. 1:17, Paul said, "Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel..." If baptism was vital surely Paul would have said so here. People who are truly curious can read the whole book of I Cor. and see what it says for themselves. They don't need other people's opinions.
---Rod on 1/31/09


Rom 10 doesn't mention baptism but there was no unbaptized Christian in the NT. Often the word "faith" is used as a synecdoche, the part represents the whole. So if the scripture says, "You are saved by your faith." faith represents the whole salvation process which includes baptism. Since baptism in 1 Cor 12:13 brings one into the body of Christ, I see no difference with this verse and Rom 6:3 and Gal 3:27. It's water baptism that's being talked about not the two cases of the "baptism of the Holy Spirit," once to the Apostles and once to the house of Cornelius.
---Naulon on 1/31/09


You can't use and Old Covenant example for salvation in the New Covenant. The thief on the cross was an Old Covenant Jew, just like Abraham was. He went to Hades paradise and had to await there for the resurrection of the dead just like all the rest of Israel's faithful.

When the thief died the New Covenant hadn't started yet. It started at Pentecost and that's when baptism began as the initiation ceremony into the New Covenant. (Acts 2:38) 3000 were baptized on that day. Again there is no NT example of an unbaptised Christian. It is a part of the salvation process.
---Naulon on 1/31/09

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Maybe Paul made a mistake and should have added baptism to his message on salvation in Romans 10:9-13 He did say however in 1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptised into one body. It would appear this happens the instant we are saved. Being baptised by water is symbolic of washing away our old sinful nature and we emerge, cleansed of all unrighteousness, by the blood of Jesus, washed whiter than snow. Remember the thief on the cross was told by Jesus that he would be with Him in paradise. He wasn't baptised. Thanks for the input.
---Bob on 1/31/09


You forgot that "calling on the name of the Lord" is done through baptism. (Acts 22:16) Baptism is the covenant signing ceremony were we come in contact with the blood of Christ. The water represents His blood that washes our sins away. The steps of salvation: Hear, Faith, Repent, Confess, Baptism.

Ecstatic tongues is not a "sign" of salvation. It is a pagan divination ritual.
---Naulon on 1/31/09

When chrisians pray for you the Father sends the Holy Spirit to convict you of your sins. Then the Father draws and grants you to come to His Son. The Holy Spirit prepares your heart because grace is a heart doctrine. With an attitude of repentance and sorrow towards God for your past sins you call upon the name of Lord to be saved Romans 10:13. And you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved, for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. Romans 10:9,10 Welcome to the Kingdom.
---Bob on 1/30/09

When chrisians pray for you the Father sends the Holy Spirit to convict you of your sins. Then the Father draws and grants you to come to His Son. The Holy Spirit prepares your heart because grace is a heart doctrine. With an attitude of repentance and sorrow towards God for your past sins you call upon the name of Lord to be saved Romans 10:13. And you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved, for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. Romans 10:9,10 Welcome to the Kingdom.
---Bob on 1/30/09

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I am so glad you asked, Naulon. When I asked God to forgive me of all my sins past, present, and future. I wanted to cover everything. Also, just Prio to asking God for forgiveness, God also flashed hell right, infront of my face, and He said that is where I would go if I didn't get forgiveness of all my sins. I knew I didn't want to go to hell. Yes, right after I asked God for forgiveness I actually, no kidding, felt God's Blood rushing up me. Satan hates my testamony, but I give it every chance I get. It was a pretty dramatic testamony, but others have had one, perhaps not eactly like mine.
---catherine on 1/30/09

Cathrine, "God's Blood came rushing up me from feet to head. I could feel God's blood shooting straight up me. It is the Blood and it's liquid and it cleanses you."

And when and how did this happen? At the moment of repentance? When you said the sinner's prayer? When you were baptized? Or at a different specific time?
---Naulon on 1/30/09

The answer to this question,"How do we come in contact with Christ's blood? "
---Naulon on 1/29/09
Concerns knowledge of and trust in the blood of Jesus Christ.
---mima on 1/29/09

Naulon>>>God's Blood came rushing up me from feet to head. I could feel God's blood shooting straight up me. It is the Blood and it's liquid and it cleanses you.
---catherine on 1/29/09

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I can tell some in this blog have never repented(turned to Christ) They have faith in their own works, not Christ. We are saved by the grace of God, now believe on HIM and it shall be so.
---duane on 1/29/09


To be sure we are saved by Christ's shedding of his blood and the covenant to which it belongs. Question: How do we come in contact with Christ's blood?
---Naulon on 1/29/09

none of the above, which all represent righteous works. Salvation, of the eternal nature, is all OF the Lord, who gave it to those whom He has chosen in Christ, regardless of their chronological, geographical, theological, doctrinal, political, or racial circumstances in this fallen plane we call time.
The Bible says His Name is Jesus because He shall save His people from their sins, Paul tells Titus "not according to works of righeousnesses which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us".
---Tim on 1/29/09

"Try to convert people of the world by telling them the truth, an exemplary life.Words are where the devil has lied and destroyed their conscience"Frances These are some of the results that have got this world into a mess because ALL tell the truth "AS THEY SEE IT" which may be a partial truth or one dressed up to look like the truth.Proof multi Denominational institutions.This started in Genesis by the serpent-Remember?, and continues even today with the denial of God's True Church Matt16:13-19, plus people spreading lies about Illumaniti Jesuits and a Myriad of of exemplary living.
---MIC on 1/28/09

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I do not care what people think. I am sticking with the Blood as the only way to get to heaven. Jesus>>>DIED>>>His Blood. Heaven.
---catherine on 1/28/09

Be obedient to your conscience. Love other people so much that you will tell them they are heading for Hell if they continue to sin. Obey the O.T and N.T. commandments in the light of Jesus and the Holy Spirit's words in Scripture. Try and convert people of the world by telling them the truth, and by living an exemplary life. A good example and charitable deeds are better than words, but sometimes words is what it needs to get the truth out where the devil has lied to people and destroyed their consciences.
---frances008 on 1/28/09

HA, HA, All three are wrong.
---catherine on 1/28/09

Obey Jesus' Commandments.
---Eloy on 1/28/09

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Salvation is a life and death issue. We need to choose. The only thing separating us from life is unbelief in HIM.
---duane on 1/26/09

We as humans can't "do" anything to "get saved",we must believe, but "we" can't, faith is the gift of GOD,it's not of us, Eph.2:8(faith & belief are the same word in Greek ones the verb the other is the noun) God chose HIS family before the world began (2thess.2:13,Eph.1:4,5)we must be born again(John 3:3)we must find the narrow way (Matt.7:14)but as the Bible says we are dead in sins, GOD must be working in us(Eph.2:10)this can only happen by Rom.8:28-30.Read the book of Ephesians, the first two chapters real slow.

2John6 this is "Love"
---joe on 1/25/09

First we need to ask ourselves: What does 'saved' mean?... (Answer:) It means to get saved from the wrath of God and eternal damnation in hell!!

Second we need to ask ourselves: What causes the mighty wrath and anger of God?/ What is it that sends people to an eternal damnation in hell?...(Answer:) It is our dirty rotten SINS that send us there and eternally separate us from God.

Now we ask ourselves: We are all miserable can we stand before a Holy God on Judgment Day? Praise God! Jesus is our mediator, for all those who SINCERELY repent of their vile sins and live ALTOGETHER to the glory of God by living in obedience to Him.
---Anne on 12/29/08

None of those will save you. You must Believe In The Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved!

To believe means, to believe that Jesus Christ is The Son of God, is God In The Flesh. Believe that God became man in the person of Jesus Christ.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved and his name is Jesus Christ, although God, Lord, Jesus, Christ and many other terms are his name, there is only one name given among men whereby we must be saved and that is the name Jesus Christ!

Jesus means and shows us that He is 100% man

Christ means and shows us the He is 100% God

God In The Flesh!
---Jerry on 12/28/08

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Gee, I missed the promotion celebration, congratulations!
---Nana on 12/12/08

Many will use the name Jesus in praising Satan. Yes, I have just receive this revelation just this morning, inwhich case, I would not want to be in your shoes for all the money in heaven or earth. Prophetess Catherine++
---catherine on 12/12/08

We are saved when we live through faith and are dead to sin because of the Cross. For sin shall not have power over us. Now live through faith in HIM. As long as we live through faith, we shall never, ever lose eternal life.
---duane on 11/7/08

In order to have the guarantee of eternal life and "enter by the door" (John 10:1) into the new heaven, you must have the present heaven in your heart and mind.

Romans 12:2
"the renewal of the mind"

You must have a Godlike nature and be baptized with the living water (John 7:38, Rev. 7:16) baptism of a peaceful and just Godly spirit/demeanor.

You must also be in the habit of speaking truth (in no uncertain terms).

You must care about what God LIKES (an act of love) instead of being partisan and pursuing "intellectual acheivement" as a scholar of man.

"refused to love the truth AND SO BE SAVED" (2 Thess. 2:10).

1 John 5:6
"came by blood AND water".
---more_excellent_way on 11/7/08

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Philippians 1:27-29

27Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,

28And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

29For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake,

Frances, true Christians are use to the verbal abuse you and others display here on line and in life itself, to those who are giving the truth of the Gospel.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/08

How to become save? is to listen to the Word of God and if you believe by faith in Him, you will make a committment to Him. For hearing brings faith.
Only faith in Christ and His sacrifice for our sins will bring eternal life. Nothing else can achieve that.
Once we are believers we follow the teachings of Christ through the help of the Holy Spirit and do get baptize which symbolizes death to life. We are counted as crucified with Christ and Jesus gives us all necessary gifts we might need in life, while we wait by the sustaing power of Christ for the Day of our Lord where we will be presented without blemish.
---MarkV. on 11/6/08

Frances, instead of talking to me in parables why don't you put the passages down and I will see what you are talking about? I cannot respond to just words unless you have a question on what I said and have passages for me to check. I cannot control your opinions. God said many things in Scripture, the whole Bible is "God said"
---MarkV. on 11/6/08

Donna, again thank you for your post. I believe many don't understand they deserve death for the wages of sin is death.
And no one but Christ was sinless. All come short of the glory of God.
There are secret sins that everyone commits. They do not involve anyone else. We think evil thoughts, we covet what another person has or even what he believes. We attribute false motives. These are all sin committed in the heart. Jesus spoke of these kind of sins. "I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" The physical act of adultery does not need to take place in order to commit sin. Faith in Jesus Christ is what we all need, and God has given us that faith.
---MarkV. on 11/5/08

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Kathr, I see no point in arguing with you. You obviously have rose-coloured glasses on, and refuse to take them off. The cherry-picking I pointed out with evidence in black and white print. Then you denied that you did it. If you don't judge yourself for your deliberate choosing of gospel passages to highlight what you wish to be so, and to ignore what you dislike, then there is someone who will judge you, hopefully not too many people will be led astray by your strange doctrines of men. I advice you get away from whoever is indoctrinating you, and if that means all Christians then just go 'into the desert' with a Bible and read it.
---frances008 on 11/5/08

It is to baptized, believing people who call themselves Christians that Matthew 7 is addressing. 'Many will say to me on that day (Judgement day) 'Lord, Lord, we gave messages in your name, we did many miracles and in your name did we cast out demons' and I will say to them 'Get away from me, I do not know you, you who do evil.' (Paraphrased)

How much more will Jesus say to those who remain sinful and do not obey His Word, that they are disobedient, unfruitful, wicked people because they knew what they should have done and did not do it? Indeed atheists who did the right thing may be seen going through the gates of Heaven and leaving hypocrites outside the gates.
---frances008 on 11/5/08

There is only one answer to this question. Putting our hope and faith in Jesus Christ, all baptism does, is sympolize that relationship. It is like a wedding ring you get for being married. Jesus is the only way to be saved, if thats not true, then dieing on the cross was pointless. God sent his son for me. End of story.
---Danny on 11/5/08

You have to be baptized to be saved! -
Yes, Matthew 3:11- Water baptism verses spirit baptism- Spirit baptism is greater because it comes from God.

You need to speak in tongues as a sign!-
No, Speaking in tongues is actually a gift of the Holy Spirit. It is suppose to be a sign to unbelievers.
There are many gifts of the Holy Spirit but you dont have to have it to be saved.
see 1 Corinthians ch. 12 and 13

You need to make Jesus Lord of your life
Yes, John 14:16 - Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes before the Father except through Me.
also see John 3:17, 10:9, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9
---miche3754 on 11/5/08

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***Kathr, you took 1 Peter 18-20 right out of context. You cherry picked the verses that you liked and ignored the preceeding conditions in verses 13 following: ***

Frances you fail to understand that the verse DOES NOT SAY ..... and IF you do these things I WILL Purchase you you'de like us to believe that is what it says...however it DOES NOT!!!

So, you are actually trying to say the order should be reversed.....Peter is talking to Christians...telling them who they already are in Christ.....

So, no Frances, I did not cherry pick!!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/5/08

"This is he who came by water AND blood, Jesus Christ" 1 John 5:6

John The Baptist baptized with H2O.

"there came out blood AND water" John 19:34.

Many will come to Jesus simply out of hunger for the bread of life but don't truly "thirst" for the "living" water of His spirit (Rev. 7:16, Acts 1:5, John 17:38) in order to enter by "the door" (John 10:1) because they are satisfied by man's intellectual understanding of the scriptures, but they do not desire an "inner" understanding (refuse to have a truly Godlike nature/demeanor/spirit).

"one Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5).

Walk by the spirit Gal. 5:16, 25.
---more_excellent_way on 11/5/08


Hebrews 11:17By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

18Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

19Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from whence also he received him in a figure.

You failed to read Hebrews 11:17-19 concerning the purpose of God's request.

Abraham SAW in a figure the resurrection.

Frances you are still contradicting yourself all over these threads.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/08

Answering this question is not about picking one out of the choices you've given, it's a combination of a lot of things.

" grace are ye saved..."

Because of God's grace He sent His son that we might be saved. Saved from what? -- from our sins.

Our sins made us apart from God and the penalty of sin is death, but because He loves us, rather than all of us dying, Christ died in our place. And through His blood our sins are washed away... BUT ONLY if we believe in Him.

To believe Him is to follow His commandments. So those who refuse to follow His commandments, His blood was not spilled for them -- hence their sins have not been washed away clean.
---manny on 11/5/08

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Kathr, you took 1 Peter 18-20 right out of context. You cherry picked the verses that you liked and ignored the preceeding conditions in verses 13 following:

Gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace.....As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation because it is written Be ye holy, for I am holy.

The next Chapter (2 verse 16) says 'As free, and not using your liberty for a cloak of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.' The last verse (25) says 'For ye were as sheep going astray, but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls'.
---frances008 on 11/4/08

MarkV, it is true God uses evil for his own good purposes, but we all know that the people who do the evil are destroyed: John 17 verse 12 tells us that Judas was lost for eternity.

The bible may say that God loves us because we believe in Jesus, but in another verse may say that those who say they believe but do not do as God the Father desires are liars. Which verse are you going to go with?
---frances008 on 11/4/08

Jesus's death was not some kind of mistake. It was the natural consequence of a good man being obedient unto death, death on a cross. He came to an evil generation and they did not receive him but rather killed him. It was all part of God's plan. Do not put words into my mouth that you have invented, Kathr.

You are the one who is undermining the work Jesus did, which was not just on the cross but rather his LIFE and his WORDS. You are the one who thinks that we can ignore the Word that sanctifies, and the Holy Spirit that convicts us of sin. I say thinks, because you are in error. Judging by the number of votes you have, you are telling people what their itching ears are just so happy to receive.
---frances008 on 11/4/08

Kathr, a very good passage is found in 1 Peter 1:20, We are told that Christ was "forknown indeed (as a sacrifice for sin) before the foundation of the world." Paul speaks of the "eternal purpose" which was purposed in Jesus Christ our Lord, Eph. 3:11. And the writer of Hebrews refers to "the blood of an eternal covenant" The plan of redemption is thus traced back into eternity.
God permitted the evil in man to go un-controlled by Him and they did what was in their hearts, evil, and in so doing they did what God had ordained from the foundations of the world. For the decree's of God always come and are always perfect.
---MarkV. on 11/4/08

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Frances, that is why God said to study to show yourself approved...

You continue to make statements that actually take God's name in vain. Woops!! And you thought that meant swearing or something? No, it means to make bold statements about GOD that are not true...

You continually undermine the cross, and the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ as though it were some kind of mistake...and that your idea of salvation is something altogether different.

Jesus Christ IS the LAMB of God who was SLAIN from teh foundation of the world. It was in His plan from the beginning.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/08

To be saved you must believe on the LORD JESUS CHRIST. That He died for your sins and rose again on the third day. Then by Faith the HOLY SPIRIT will come into your heart and create a new heart in us and give us a new nature. So much so that we are not called Born again from sin and death to rightenous and life.

There are then actions we do because we are saved that deal with being children of GOD. But you are saved from the Moment you believe not with a head knowledge but from the heart. This conviction brought by the HOLY SPIRIT to our hearts leads us by the Grace of GOD.
---Samuel on 11/4/08

God asked Abraham to offer up Isaac, as a test of his faith. But God provided a lamb instead, to show that he did not require human sacrifice. Never has God required humans to sacrifice other humans on altars. He hated it when they offered humans up to idols not just because they were idol worshipping but he detests murder. But above that God demands obedience - so he asked them to kill all the inhabitants of certain towns. It was to ensure Israel's survival as a nation. Jesus actually hid from those who were seeking him, on more than one occasion in the gospels. He was not willingly going to be murdered by them. In the end he prayed and received grace to go through with it, not without great anxiety beforehand.
---frances008 on 11/4/08

God is against Human sacrifice. Jesus would never be in opposition to God. They are both against human sacrifice. But evil people killed Jesus. God allowed them to do it, and did not intervene supernaturally, because it was necessary in order to show that Jesus was fully human as well as fully Divine. God did not desert Jesus for a moment. But God did not motivate the people to do evil and beg for Jesus to be chosen to die. That was the devil. God can make good come of evil. In fact it is one of his main ways of operating.
---frances008 on 11/4/08

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***I do not see God as deliberately slaying His only Son.***

Frances, there are umpteen places I know where God deliberately slayed his own Son, and Jesus deliberately gave his life to be slayed...or put to death.

First lets start with Abraham & Isaac:

Abraham laid Isaac on the alter to be slain....a TYPE of Christ.

John 3:16..For God so loved the world He gave His only Son.

Phil 2....Jesus became obedient unto death even death of a cross.

Hebrews 2...Jesus took on the seed of Abraham and through death and resurrection life WON victory over death for you and me.

WE are saved by HIS RISEN LIFE....which means that life came out of DEATH.

Isaiah 53 foretold of these events.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/08

Kathr, since we were purchased by Christ, we now no longer own ourselves, we belong to Christ, and as long as we belong to Him we obey Him and abide in Him. We effectively hand over control of our lives to God, and if we continue in disobedience, we are not God's. See John 2.4 He that saith 'I know him' and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him.
---frances008 on 11/3/08

I do not see God as deliberately slaying His only Son. I see wicked men who had Jesus executed for saying the truth, that He was the Son of God. Peter, and Paul, both use various metaphors. If I have something to repent for I will do it privately. I am just saying what happened. Evil people (the crowd) decided that Jesus should die. It was not some kind of pre-Catholic mass. If God killed Jesus then the crowd were (and we are) innocent of His death. But we (the crowd) are guilty of His death because we are/were evil. We all need to repent of killing God. By continuing on in your sin when He purchased your salvation, would be to sin more against Him. So please spare me any hypocritical fake shock.
---frances008 on 11/3/08

The purpose of Salvation can be found be by addressing what is sanctification. Quote. Sanctification is the process of God's Grace by which a believer is separated from sin and becomes dedicated to God's righteousness. Unquote. Jesus died for all men, but only some are chosen to respond to His call to righteousness and thus to salvation. For those who continue on in their sin, then Jesus died in vain.
---frances008 on 11/3/08

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***The blood of Christ was not poured out in a ritual initiation service for believers in some secret esoteric society. ***

Frances your comment is horrible. Jesus Christ IS THE LAMB OF GOD,slain from the foundation of the World.

WE are purchased with HIS BLOOD.

1 Peter 1:18-20

18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers,

19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Frances REPENT!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/3/08

The blood of Christ was not poured out in a ritual initiation service for believers in some secret esoteric society. Jesus died exactly like the criminals on either side of Him.....executed as a criminal. It was the logical result of what an evil generation would do to someone who accused them of being a brood of vipers and whitewashed tombs. Don't think that Jesus's death was a free ticket for evil people to get to Heaven. If you are an evil doer you do not get to go to Heaven. If you know the good you ought to do and do not do it, you don't get to go to Heaven. People say, No! That only applies after the Rapture. I say, No! Jesus says in Matthew's gospel later on that the division of people will be in accordance to their lifestyle.
---frances008 on 11/2/08

To Whosoever has an war to hear?

Man is saved through faith alone, Faith in Our Heavenly Father's promise of salvation which He draws us to in Christ.

We need to do nothing but learn what it means to gain a heart to do the Will of the Father and faithfully accept the drawing of God's Love, into salvation.

Then & only then will we be able to truly make Christ Jesus the Lord & savior of our lives and be baptized into all diverse spiritual gifts, like speaking tongues.
---Shawn.M.T on 11/1/08

Alan Please read Hebrews 10, but while your there, read all of Hebrews.

The idea of sacrifice was an act of Faith in the promised redeemer. Once Christ came and was the perfect sacrifice....we don't sacrifice bulls and goats anymore.

They looked FOREWARD to the Cross...we look back.

Salvation has always been In Christ and His finished work on the Cross....It was taught from Genesis all the way through Revelation. FAITH is not something new that came with the NT...Read Hebrews 11. Their faith wasn't in Faith, but in Jesus Christ and the Promise...more fully revealed to Abraham, Practiced through Israel until Christ came, and completely revealed and completed at Calvary.
---kathr4453 on 11/1/08

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We should not use as an example, what the people of the Old Testament did en masse, as they had the prophets put in pits and caused these prophets to weep night and day and put dirt on their heads. We should listen to what the prophets told the people about their sacrifices. At one point the people were sacrificing humans whilst worshipping idols. In the case of Job I am not sure that he sacrificed to Jesus, but he knew that he would be rescued by God.
---frances008 on 10/31/08

Kathr ... It occurs to me that if all those people put their faith in the forthcoming redeemer, there would have been no need for them to make their own sacrifices.
---alan_of_UK on 10/31/08

Trev ... "By the way, the forerunner to Christ was not called John the Catholic, He was called John the Baptist"

Of course he was called John the Baptist becausae he was the one who baptised Jesus.

It does not mean he was a member of the Baptist church ... how could he be, because he died before Christ died & rose & ascended, and until then, there were no Christians
---alan_of_UK on 10/31/08

Trey* Ruben,

Edinburg Cyclopedia (Presbyterian):

"It must have already occurred to our readers that the Baptists are the same sect of Christians that were formerly described as Ana-Baptists.
New advent:

Anabaptists - A violent and extremely radical body of ecclesiastico-civil reformers which first made its appearance in 1521 at Zwickau

By the way, the forerunner to Christ was not called John the Catholic, He was called John the Baptist.

And this John the Baptist " when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb,(Luke 1:41) Do you? and the Baptist Mother calls her the Mother of God, do you? " the mother of my Lord should come to me?(Luke 1:43)
---Ruben on 10/31/08

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"Abel put his faith in Jesus Christ"

? ? ?
---alan_of_UK on 10/30/08
Absolutely Alan!

A redeemer promised in Genesis 3:15, immediately after the fall, a Redeemer was promised. Abel SACRIFICED BLOOD acknowledging his faith in the Coming Redeemer. He didn't know His name would be Jesus, however that is not the point.

Job too said, I KNOW that my redeemer liveth....Job sacrificed!

God rejected Cain's sacrifice because it was not the sacrifice God wanted,acknowledging we are sinners. Cain wanted to WORK his way to God his own way.

You can see the BLOOD all throughout scripture.

Passover....also the blood placed on teh door-posts,

The scarlet thread placed in Rahab's window ...
---kathr4453 on 10/31/08

"Abel put his faith in Jesus Christ"

? ? ?
---alan_of_UK on 10/30/08

***Charles H. Spurgeon - "We believe the Baptist are the original Christians."***

That statement seems odd. Acts says the Disciples of Christ were first called Christians.

There were no Baptists when Abel put his faith in Jesus Christ....looking forward to the Cross, as we now look back. Hebrews 11 state even Moses..who was under Law, suffered the reproach OF CHRIST...

When did the message of the Faith of Abraham begin with the Baptists?

Times and dates please.
---kathr4453 on 10/30/08

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