500 People Came To Christ
At a state district over the weekend 3 men and one woman heard over 500 people asked the Lord Jesus Christ be their personal savior!! John 6:37 says, any man that comes to me I will in no wise cast out. Your thoughts?
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---mima on 9/8/08
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Mima did use quote marks when he said
'Of these 500 people who "came to Christ" in September, how many are still with Him in late December?'
Like him I recognise that many of those 500 who said something in front of you may not have meant it.
---alan_of_UK on 12/23/08|
Katty, the Lord does not care about numbers. It is the quality not the quantity that wins the war. It is those who have the most information and those who have the true facts who win in the end. Judges 12 shows us how God is the one who sifts out the undesirable followers so that he can take the enemy by storm with his elite group of fighters. Anyone who is not a true follower is a liability. However he will allow them to do their evil work in some cases (Judas Iscariot). Those people know what their end is.
---frances008 on 12/22/08|
** ---katavasia the premise of your question would make these scriptures a lie.
John 6:37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out"**
Jesus also said, "He who endures to the end shall be saved."
He also referred to those who would "receive the word with joy," but afterwards fall away.
---katavasia on 12/22/08|
---katavasia the premise of your question would make these scriptures a lie.
John 6:37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out"
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
---mima on 12/22/08|
Mima~ It is great that so many heard the gospel message, but just because 500 asked the Lord to be their savior does not mean they are necessarily saved. I'm not trying to sound pessimestic but realistic.
Many are called...but few are chosen. And remember the parable of the sower. The seed of the gospel fell on many hearts, and at first they were all excited...but soon after most fell away from God.
I do pray that the gospel message fell on 'good-soil.'
---Anne on 12/21/08|
Of these 500 people who "came to Christ" in September, how many are still with Him in late December?
---katavasia on 12/21/08|
This is a Beautiful topic.
Without Faith it is impossible to please God.
By Faith we plant the seed.
By Faith we Believe it CAN grow.
You never know...maybe the Lord will use us to witness on the Street or act work or on the phone trying to pay a bill....
or just by prayer...etc...
He knows and uses us individually.
By Faith we Believe...He is the Author...
The Spirit will Guide us...
For each day we are here...we are still learning.
To God be the Glory.
---char on 10/5/08|
Rebecca, your last statement is so true. God has to draw the person to Himself. The only problem with that for the one giving the message of the gospel is, that he doesn't know who this people are. All they have is a desire to preach the Word of God where they feel they are been sent by God. Could be God has been working in someone's heart already preparing him for the moment he will meet you in a park or jail. We don't know where this people are.
The book I recommanded was, "Experiecing God" because it teaches the believer how to look for God and where He is working at so that we just follow Him and do our work. Linda is so right too that we cannot just leave them after they commit, we need to teach them how to grow in faith.
---MarkV. on 10/2/08|
Mima: I understand what this verse is saying. I understand that people need to hear the word of God being preached so they can have the ear to listen to the message. And how shall a preacher preach if except he be sent? And so how can a sinner/backslider comes to Christ, except the Father which hath sent me draw him. If a person is hearing the word of God being preached and repeats a prayer after someone, if their heart wasn't being dealt with him by God and God wasn't drawing them in to him, they won't become saved. Because without conviction from God and not praying from the heart, they will die lost and be in hell. Just repeating a prayer after someone does not make them saved.
---Rebecca_D on 10/1/08|
Rebecca, as concernS people calling on the name of Lord to be saved please read and understand Romans 10:14," How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? "
Having read that Scripture do you still prefer remain hidden inside of a church building, waiting on someone to come to you seeking salvation?
---mima on 9/29/08|
When approaching people on the street or at the county fair, and ask them if they are saved. If the answer is yes then praise God. But if the answer is no, then if you ask if they want to be, you put them on the spot. And there is a very good chance that God is not dealing with their heart right at that time. All they are doing is repeating some words just to get you to shut-up because they don't want to be rude and send you away. In John 6:44 says No man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him and I will raise him up in the last day. This means if God isn't drawing a person to him to become saved, they can repeat after people all day long and still die lost and go to hell.
---Rebecca_D on 9/29/08|
Praise God! Now what are you going to do with them? Jesus said, "Go make disciples." Jesus spent 3.5 years with His, teaching them through relationship. These are the ones who followed Him to the end. Now that these 500 are born again, they need a Paul to pour into their lives, a Barnabas to walk with them, and a Timothy they can pour into as they grow. Don't leave them babies. Help them to grow up, otherwise the majority of them will continue on in the old unrenewed mind and end up misrepresenting Christ. Babies need food and an occasional changing. They cry a lot and need a lot of attention. Again, praise God for their being born again, but now what?
---Linda_G. on 9/25/08|
Mima... What are your plans regarding followup for those who accepted Jesus?
Are you directing them to a church where they can continue to grow in Christ?
---NurseRobert on 9/25/08|
Darlene :- You have a great point. There is a class of people here,who are so righteous they have forgotten what St Paul says Romans 3:10-18.Also
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.Jesus talked to the Populus with Kindnes and Gentleness but differently to the scribes and Pharasees The learned of that day.
---MIC on 9/24/08|
I think Darlene is right.
Trying to convert people from their style of Christianity will breed justifiable anger, since you were saying their faith was wrong.
A Christian is bound to get angry with someone who tells them they are not Christian. Lutheranism is as valid as your version, or a Baptist or as Pentecostal.
You may claim to be non-denominational, but you are denominational because you set yourself up as being different from the denominations and therefore become one yourself.
AS for the slips in the jar, perhaps they don't like gambling
---alan_of_UK on 9/23/08|
Mima...I think that Jesus would not have used nor taught your method. He would not have put up a jar for people to enter a contest. In fact, he threw the money changers out of the temple. I believe HE would have done the same to any of HIS disciples who pulled such a trick.
---SusieB on 9/22/08|
I was raised around German Lutherns,next door neighbors,extended families,and no wonder Lutherns at the fair became angry,as a whole they are very devout God fearing,love showing,Christians. They may have seen your actions as judgemental and condesending. It probably wasn't talking about Jesus that upset them but the fact you treated them like sinners with no respect for their personal Spiritual commitment to God. I think there is a great evil getting a foothold among some who proclaim to be God's children and that's acting like all people except those who believe like the person talking are sinners,belong to Satan,that results in causing discord. Mima,You mean well but your words show your attitude,"a dark area".
---Darlene_1 on 9/22/08|
This last weekend we worked a dark dark area. Predominantly a German Lutheran community we were at one of their local fairs. Perhaps 50 people prayed with us, and many people gave us a talking too. Some so violently rejected our message that they demanded that their free entry slip be gotten out of the jar because they didn't want anything to do with us. What an amazing reaction when you begin to talk about Jesus Christ. Many ask what denomination are you with to which we replied, no denomination we are speaking about what the Bible says. Why have people been conditioned to follow denominational teachings and not the Bible? What do you think?
---mima on 9/22/08|
Alan of UK:-I agree with you and add that Bribery and corruption and sweet talking is not Gods way.hence the saying"Speak the truth and shame the devil"If you do not want God- then God does not want you. "He who is not with me is against me".
---MIC on 9/19/08|
Mima, thank you for your and your wife's hard work that you do for the Lord. And also thanks for posting so many questions that open dialogues to discuss passages you put down.
I have learned a lot from you and I am sure many others have too. Also thanks for giving the Gospel of salvation to others. That is all we can do. God takes care of the rest. Peace Mima.
---MarkV. on 9/19/08|
Mima:There are mny who notice but few that say.some tell it as they see it others turn a blind eye.
---MIC on 9/18/08|
Mima: it sounds like you are trying to find gimmicks to win people to the Lord. That is not how I believe we are supposed to go about sharing the Gospel of Jesus. I believe we are to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, and just present the Gospel when the Holy Spirit prompts us to.
I also believe that you are more into counting the numbers than the actual people who you meet. Are we supposed to brag about the number of people we lead to the Lord? I don't think so. I could be wrong, but I just don't get that idea from reading the Epistles of Paul, or the other Epistles.
---Trish9863 on 9/17/08|
There is nothing wrong with people witnessing. That is what we are called to do when God presents that opportunity in our walk with God. Many are called to be missionaries in other countries, others preach in prisons. They are moved by the Spirit to different area's. Some witness at parks and some at work. The need for Christ is everywhere. What I do see wrong is when parties, idea's that really bring them to us for the wrong reason. Then we leave them to themselves and later they forget what they confessed to you. They might even forget you. A person needs to hear the Word, the bad news of who they are and why they have sinned against God, then they need to hear the good news of the Gospel and what God is prepared to do through His sacrifice.
---MarkV. on 9/17/08|
In all the years we ministered in Las Vegas, we didn't have to give anything away except the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There were lots of genuine salvations where peoples' lives were changed.
---SusieB on 9/17/08|
Using a truck lottery to get people to listen to the Gospel sounds much, too much like the sales technique of "bait and switch". Luring people with one offer (mostly unattainable) in order to sell them something else (about which they have not inquired) seems somehow dishonest to me.
Many people resent this approach, whether on the part of an appliance salesman or a clergyman.Even unbelievers may have some sense that spiritual things are valued differently than material things.
Jhn 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
---Donna66 on 9/16/08|
Mima, I read a good book a long time ago called, "Experiencing God" knowing and doing the will of God. I found this book to be very helpful in my life. Much of the information is very good. The book does not give you idea's or methods you can use but gives you the direction everyone should take for evangelizing.
My practice is, that I never plan ahead of time to whom I want to speak to about the Lord, I permit God to put people in my path. If I begin to think of idea's then I am working on my own, and not permitting God to work first in someone's life. We need to learn how to hear God and where God is working and join Him. On our own we can do nothing.
---MarkV. on 9/16/08|
Yes Mark ... Jesus did not promise material rewards for beleiving His Message
In fact He told us not to lay up worldly treasures.
I cn't understand how anyone could use this method to "win" people for Christ
---alan_of_UK on 9/16/08|
Alan, in my opinion you are right. I believe when people, who are sincere, and love the Lord, they try everything they can think of to try to bring individuals to Christ. A Church I know use to have parties, where they invited people and then tried to get them to commit to Christ. Inventing methods I believe are wrong. There is only one way for faith to come to an individual, and it is by bringing the gospel of Christ to them, for faith comes from hearing, hearing the word of God. In events like the one here giving a truck or car, is not the work of the Holy Spirit. Many leave going away with the idea that there is no God or He would known how bad they needed the truck. The gospel Truth has to be preach.
---MarkV. on 9/16/08|
My wife and I delivered the truck yesterday morning. Young girl was extremely happy. She put the truck in her's and her father's name.
With the truck gone and another fair coming up we will have to resort(my friends and I) to a gift certificate from Wal-Mart.
I remain open to any suggestions as to how the wind souls to the kingdom of God. I see from your answers that many disagree with my method,so please tell me you're method!!!
---mima on 9/16/08|
I just cannot reconcile the lottery (even if the tickets were free) with honest evangelism.
I wonder what the young lady thinks? And the thousands who did not win the truck? And those who by participating in this lottery have been draggged back to their gambling addiction?
---alan_of_UK on 9/16/08|
mima: "Young lady, 20 years old won the pickup truck, I will deliver it to her today."
Someone had to win that truck. She will believe that Jesus made her win. And she will believe in Jesus for all the wrong reasons. Many people claim that Jesus lead them to find a coin, a horseshoe or a rabbits foot that changed their lives around. Christians don't need such trinkets to believe in miracles. Many people thank God for the million dollar lottery they won only to end up poor after a couple of years. Many people thank God for the medicine to keep them living, but had serious side affects to keep them alive. Does God create medicine with side affects? People believe in Jesus for all the wrong reasons.
---Steveng on 9/15/08|
Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
---exzucuh on 9/15/08|
---MarkV. I totally agree with your statement!!!
---mima on 9/15/08|
Mima, you quoted the passage in John but did not quote the whole message of the passage. "All that the Father gives me will come to Me, and the one who come to Me I will by no means cast out' Here Jesus is talking only about those the Father gives Him that will not be cast out. They are not coming on their own free will, or because some event took place and suddenly decided to confess Christ. The previous verse says, But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe" Many people had seen Jesus but did not believe. Those are people the Father had not drawn to Himself. If they had, they would have believed.
This passages is a guarantee that "all" He has chosen will come to Him for salvation.
---MarkV. on 9/15/08|
The first steps are believe repent and confession the rest will follow as the word grows in their hearts and they act in faith
to the word.
---exzucuh on 9/15/08|
Many people will come to Christ only out of "hunger" (for the "bread" of life), but not many actually "thirst" for His spirit...
"...neither thirst any more"
When we learn to make a clear division (as with "sword") between GOOD/EVIL (instead of simple RIGHT/WRONG morality codes) so that the change from good to evil is clear and abrupt with no middle ground ("no variation or shadow", James 1:17), then we will be able to "walk by THE SPIRIT", (Galatians 5:16) AND LEARN THE "SWORD OF THE spirit" (Ephesians 6:17) so that we can have "living water" baptism (John 7:38, Acts 1:5) so we can "enter by the door" (John 10:1).
---more_excellent_way on 9/15/08|
The fair is over and 6 men and one woman heard over 3500
people pray for their salvation to the Lord Jesus Christ!!
Young lady, 20 years old won the pickup truck, I will deliver it to her today.
We met one pastor during the fair who actually knows how to lead someone to the Lord. This is very rare indeed and we will be meeting with him later.
This entire program is based on, Romans 10:13, Acts 2:21, and Joel 2:32.
If the Scriptures are true(and they are) then whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Do you believe the statement above ts the truth or a lie?
---mima on 9/15/08|
You can't trick someone into becoming a Christian and that's what you were doing.
A sinner's prayer? God forbid. The person only repeated the prayer you spoke. It wasn't from the heart. A Christian becomes a Christian by hearing the gospel, acknowledging he is a sinner in his own words, repenting his own sins in his own words, and being baptised. It comes from the heart, not the mind.
And since you are the one who brought that person into the Kingdom of God, you are responsible to follow up as did the apostles. They are your fruits, so nurture them until they become mature enough to go out into the world to spread the gospel of the Kingdom of God.
---Steveng on 9/12/08|
Our experience in 20 years prison, jail and homeless ministry is that not everyone who says a "sinner's prayer" are really saved. To many of them it is just words. When Jesus walked the earth, there were thousands who were saved. Yet, only around 120 were in the upper room waiting for what Jesus promised would happen after His ascension into Heaven. 120 out of thousands. If 500 people got truly saved at that fair, then the churches should see a rise in attendance.
---SusieB on 9/11/08|
John ..."All because someone is offering a free gift "
Not a free gift ... a free ticket in a gamble.
---alan_of_UK on 9/11/08|
---Rhonda, while I confess to being vain and wicked I reject the idea that any man can "call" other men to Jesus. Only the Father calls men to Jesus.
But moving away from the points of contention between us please tell me what you do to spread the gospel of The Lord Jesus Christ or if not what you do perhaps you can tell me what you think I should do, as I'm very interested in soulwinning.
---mima on 9/11/08|
Rhonda. You seem more concerned about the technique than you do the actual outcome. 500 people saved!! All because someone is offering a free gift and others are willing to use this as a way to get some communication going that leads to the people getting saved. We give free food at our church and get to talk with people that way. What's wrong with any of this? Just because you don't agree with the technique doesn't mean you have to call the people vain and wicked.
---john on 9/11/08|
""If they answer yes, as over 75% do, we can lead them in a sinner's prayer.""
Can you tell me where the Bible says anything about leading people in a sinner's prayer?
Please give book, chapter, and verse in your answer.
---katavasia on 9/10/08|
I share Rhonda's concern.
Getting people to join a lottery is not suitable way to bring them to know Jesus.
& I wonder how many of those who declared being saved did so because they felt that if they did not, their ticket might not be put in the draw?
And what about gambing addicts who may see your show ... is it wise, or moral, to put them in such danger of going down the slippery ganbling slope again?
---alan_of_UK on 9/10/08|
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I reread Mima's last comment. There ain't nothing like a little "lottery" to get people's attention. Shame on you!
---SusieB on 9/10/08|
Scripture teaches us in order to come to Christ you will have to be drawn or driven to Christ. It is a higher enlightment. Jesus is saying, "ofcourse, if any man who comes to me I will in no wise cast out because the Father has given him or her to me. Please do not misunderstand scripture: just saying, "Lord, Lord, save me" is not true salvation within itself. There must be a drawing to the Son by the Father for it to be true Salavation. And your responsibilty is to obey. Your very first obedience to God is submitting to the will of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. And you are saying, "I do not wish to spend eternity in hell, I want eternal life with you". Praise God+++
---catherine on 9/10/08|
Ah! The fair. Keep up the good work Mima.
---SusieB on 9/10/08|
After you fill out this slip we asked you if you know why we are doing this, and that time we witnessed to the people,
so people become agreeable to "being saved" in hopes their slip will be the winning ticket
how vain and wicked men have become when they believe "they call" other men to Christ
---Rhonda on 9/10/08|
Traffic is slowing down considerably. Monday saw over 100 people receive the Lord Jesus Christ and Tuesday saw over 130. We have a booth at the fair, we are giving away a used pickup truck, and at our booth you see the trunk and you get to fill out your slip. After you fill out this slip we asked you if you know why we are doing this, and that time we witnessed to the people, and then we asked them the direct question," do you want to ask the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your life and save you?" If they answer yes, as over 75% do, we can lead them in a sinner's prayer. Some get very happy others are very calm, all however say thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
---mima on 9/10/08|
Instead of judging the number 500, now I am more into caring about the people, and praying for them to get what they need, whether they have really come to Jesus or not. It used to be I would be much faster to criticize and question if ones really got saved, if a great big number was given with a big yay (I'd suspect they could be wishful). And one must be drawn by the Father in order to come to Jesus really (John 6:44). And, "'It is written in the prophets, "And they shall all be taught by God." Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.'" (next verse) So, there is how God personally prepares each one who comes, I understand.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/8/08|
Moderateor said it all AMEN!!!
Keep it going
---Gabby on 9/8/08|
Wonderful. How are they doing this? Setting up a booth with tracts or just talking with people? Preaching? Could you share with us some of the techniques that work well? God bless.
---john on 9/8/08|
How come only 3 men and 1 woman heard this?
---SusieB on 9/8/08|
Well, the way is narrow that leads to life and few are those who find it. I'm glad they have their salvation, but will they go on with Jesus?
---donna8365 on 9/8/08|
Let's see how many remain in their faith after a year or two.
---katavasia on 9/8/08|