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Church Makes Me Sleepy

Do you honestly think churches are 'hot' for doing God's Word, or do churches mostly make you feel like dozing off?

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The outer temple is not a building/worship center (John 2:21).

"He spoke of the temple of his body"

The inner temple is not a building/worship center either.

1 Corin. 3:16

"Do you not know that you are God's temple...?

1 Corin. 6:19
"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you...?".

"Worship center" attendance is not necessary for baptism either. Living water baptism of God's spirit is not H2O baptism (1 John 5:6, John 7:38, Acts 1:5, Rev. 7:16).

"one baptism" Ephes. 4:5.

Acknowledge the anointing and be quickened (1 John 2:27) and enter by "the door" (John 10:1).
---more_excellent_way on 11/5/08

I think there are churches where God is moving mightily. Churches where there are dynamic spirit-filled services. It makes you want to be there and be a part of it. It's not boring nor does it make you sleepy. But there are also churches that come together just because it's what they're supposed to do. There aren't any dynamic services and no dynamic preaching. They are complacent and have no desire for the Holy Spirit to move. They do their routine and go home. No one gets blessed, no one gets happy, no one gets saved. Those are the services that people don't want to attend or they fall asleep in them.
---Faith on 10/22/08

Forget going to church.

Christians say, "Let's go to church," or "My church is better than your church," or "We have great entertainment and activities at our church."

The greatest deception in the world and you fell into the web of Satan.

Today's Christians have the wrong idea about what "church" is. It's not a non-profit organization, a building, or a denomination having its own traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the Bible. Its simply Christians.

Jesus is not returning to marry a non-profit organization, a building, or a denomination, but is returning to join with His people.
---Steveng on 10/21/08

Every Sunday (or Saturday for some) you go to a building, the preacher preaches for an hour, and then you people go home.

Christian living is twenty four hours a day, seven days a week and it take fellowship on a daily basis to keep on the right path to the Kingdom of God. "Home churches" provide this and much more. (find the benefits of joining a "home church.")

We are not only to be hearers of the word, but doers. Do an online Bible search for "one another" and "each other" and ask yourself if your denominational churches provide this for everyone.
---Steveng on 10/21/08

What does GOD like? How does He prefer to be worshipped?
---katavasia on 10/18/08

He says for us to acknowledge Him in ALL our ways. And to worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
We have to give thanks to God for EVERYTHING.
It is through God that all things are made possible.
True worship. We must be honest with God. Even though God knows what we have done wrong we still must confess and ask for forgiveness, and thank God for all he has done for us and those around us.
Sing, dance, give praise to God!!
---ginger on 10/21/08

You get sleepy in church?

You are not alone.

Act 20:9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

Better not sit in the balcony! :)
---Donna66 on 10/20/08

........"What does God like?"

FINALLY,...a person who is concerned about what God LIKES (His WANTS and DESIRES, His LIKES AND DISLIKES). This is an attitude of LOVE, not mere FAITH...GOD BLESS YOU!!

The person at the well (John chap. 4) also wanted MORE than the text of their scriptures could provide (and so readily recognized the Messiah while the disciples still called Him "Rabbi").

Jesus did not come by 'text' (or pastors, scholars, church buildings, etc.)...

1 John 5:6
"This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only but with the water and the blood"...(the water that flowed from Christ's side at the cross, John 19:34).

Verses from RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 10/20/08

When I was growing up, my dad never gave me a book of rules. He also never gave me a book that explained how to love him.

I didn't just believe (have faith THAT) that my dad existed, I trusted in (had faith in) his loving kindness. God wants us also to have a "faith for faith" (Romans 1:17, Hebrews 11:6), but only those who will "draw near" (LOVE) will be able to understand the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10) and all of His wise counsel (good advice) in scripture. Others will see "COMMANDS" and "COMMANDMENTS" and be crushed by a "STRONG delusion".

Jesus gave humanity the HOPE of eternal life with Him ("GREATEST of these", 1 Corinthians 13:13).
---more_excellent_way on 10/20/08

It is mankind's greed and injustice that cause EVIL (satan can only tempt and cause confusion/lies). A truly loving person will desire 'peaceful coexistence' and believe that only peace and harmony are logical,...and evil is illogical. 'Morality' is MAN'S code of right/wrong, but God wants us to also understand GOOD/EVIL (the tree eaten of in the garden) for "peaceful coexistence". Having a peaceful and just nature (Godly spirit) is the guarantee (Ephesians 1:14) of what Jesus made available to all (Luke 3:6).

"Living water" (Acts 1:5) baptism of God's spirit is for those concerned about God's likes and dislikes.
---more_excellent_way on 10/20/08

The CONCEPT (it's wise to think in terms of concepts instead of worldly logic) of worship centers/buildings (churchES/temples) is not a new covenant idea.

Temples were used as worship centers long before Jesus. They were used by every ungodly system of belief. As far as SPIRITUALITY, only the name of the worship centers changed.

When society was learning to adjust to new covenant worship, old covenant worshippers learned about God's Son in the temples, but the true CHURCH/body (singular) consists of THE PEOPLE in the CONGREGATION.

In the new covenant, the body of JESUS is THE temple (we are IN Jesus "THE temple"). Each of us is a member of THE temple Jesus, and each of us is 'A' temple of the Holy Spirit of God.
---more_excellent_way on 10/20/08

Churches are not for new testament worship. Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Our worship should be done in our temple and there should be no public prayer. --more_excellent_way on 10/17/08

The concept of Church was started in the New Testament.
All the Disciples speak about gathering together in PUBLIC and PRAYING.

What denomination are you in?
You have some odd stuffs that isn't even in the Bible?
---Nicole on 10/19/08

You know, I've looked over these various postings, and I've seen they are almost all of the "I like this/I don't like that" variety.

Nobody seems to have dealt with the issue: What does GOD like? How does He prefer to be worshipped?
---katavasia on 10/18/08

God never said that we are not allowed to fellowship/assemble, but we are not to DEPEND on each other for spiritual growth. Our ONLY spiritual teacher should be God's spirit.

There is another poster here that has the user name of "mew"/MEW. I am NOT "mew"/MEW.
---more_excellent_way on 10/17/08

more_excellent_way said: " Churches are not for new testament worship. Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Our worship should be done in our temple and there should be no public prayer."

God's Word says, "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." Hebrews 20:25

1 Corinthians 11:18
For first of all, when ye come together in the church, ....

1 Corinthians 11:20
When ye come together therefore into one place, ....

1 Corinthians 11:33
Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, ....

Who's right? mew or the Bible?
---katavasia on 10/17/08

Churches are not for new testament worship. Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Our worship should be done in our temple and there should be no public prayer.

Amos 5:21
"I hate, I despise your feasts...".

We were made in the image of God, we need no human spiritual teacher (if we acknowledge our anointing, we will be taught what is TRUE)...
1 John 2:27
"the anointing which you received from him abides in you..."

We don't need H2O baptism from man, we need living water baptism of the spirit so that we "neither thirst" (Rev. 7:16, Acts 1:5).

John 19:34
"came out blood and water"
1 John 5:6
"came by water and blood"

Verses from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 10/17/08

i like churches with PRAISEthe lord, clappinghands,singing,
---netta on 10/16/08

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"" katavasia: People should be exited about God's word...""

It's one thing to be excited about God's word.

It's another thing when the preacher stops preaching and starts cheerleading.

Do you actually think that people were crying "Amen!" and the like during Jesus's Sermon on the Mount? Or when Paul gave one of his messages?

Or did they listen attentively and respectfully?

I, myself, go with #2.
---katavasia on 10/16/08

katavasia: People should be exited about God's word. God's word should not be boring. I go to a lively church. I'm not used to going to a church where people just sit there like they been eating prunes all day. It is time people start getting exited about serving the Lord. Take back the joy Satan stole from them. I'm sure there are people who like to go to a quite church, where no one shouts Amen agreeing with the Preacher. But I'm not one of those people. We let God be God in our church.
---Rebecca_D on 10/16/08

""It was so quite while the preaching was preaching you could hear a pin drop. ""

And this is wrong because.......??????
---katavasia on 10/15/08

Church should not make us sleepy. Man's dead programs and agendas,does.When Christ is left out of the service, and most of the time He is, then boredom sets in, real deep.I refuse to belong to a dead and ritualistic church. I also refuse to sit under a dead,boring pastor also. Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom and joy.
---Robyn on 10/15/08

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God's plan has been greatly complicated by man, it does not even require the ability to read, only the true desire to "draw near" (Hebrews 11:6).

We have no need of any earthly spiritual teacher, we only need acknowledge our annointing in order to HEAR His voice (1 John 2:27, John 10:27) to learn what is true.

We already know the right/wrong morality code, but God wants us to know GOOD/EVIL (the tree eaten of in the garden, Hebrews 5:14) so we can have the present heaven within (Revelation 21:1) and receive living water baptism of His spirit (John 18:38 and 19:34, Acts 1:5, Rev. 7:16).
---more_excellent_way on 10/14/08

There's a difference between worshipping God and having a pep rally, though this is one of those distinctions that is too subtle for some to grasp.
---katavasia on 10/14/08

Churches are mankind's way of glorifying itself (worshipping the creation instead of the creator). The 'club of man' (religion/churchES, the real church is the BODY) requires partisan allegiance, compliance with gestures/protocol, and self works acheivement. Jesus said that our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees. Human nature rejects objective truth because it is non-negotiable. Humanity prefers subjective/biased truth (which really is not truth at all). God made a point of this when He had Pilate ask "What is truth?" (John 18:38 and 14:6, 2 Thessalonians 2:10), but humanity rather not see their "natural face" (James 1:23).

All verses are from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 10/14/08

If "church" does not satisfy your heart, you are ready for a "more excellent" devotion (1 Corinthians 12:31) and a "faith for faith" (Romans 1:17) so that you can "walk by the spirit" (Galatians 5:16) and have your conscience purified (Hebrews 9:14). You will learn the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10) and the "sword of the spirit" (Ephesians 6:17) so you can "enter by the door" (John 10:1).

We should live under the PERFECT law (James 1:25 and 2:12, Ephesians 2:15) and let God have a personal relationship with us.

Jesus is the WHOLE fullness of God (no 'trinity', Colossians 2:9).
---more_excellent_way on 10/14/08

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Some churches I've been to were boring. It was so quite while the preaching was preaching you could hear a pin drop. There wasn't an Amen or praising the Lord out loud. The church I go to now, isn't quite at all. We are very open and not ashamed when it comes to praising the Lord. If a church makes one tired that they fall asleep, they all need to make their way back to the alter and seek a greater desire. Praising the Lord and serving the Lord should not be boring. One thing about my Pastor is he keeps our attention on the word of God.
---Rebecca_D on 10/14/08

God promises to give you rest!
what men do matters not,Gods
promises are non negotiable!
---kevin5534 on 10/14/08

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