Pastor Does All The Work
The Western concept of Church, with a pastor who handles principally all speaking, decision making, church discipline (if any exists) and who counsels all members is not found anywhere in the bible. So why do we do this?
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---mima on 11/18/08
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If the pastor can find help, then good. He should let them work. If he cannot find help, he should do all he can to fulfill his responsibility.
---Betty on 3/1/09|
Gravity's not in the Bible but it's real.
---bystander on 11/21/08|
Unfortunately, in most assemblies the pastor is the only one who is willing to do all these things. And also unfortunately, they pay him to do all this stuff so no one else thinks it's their duty to do it.
I'm not at all agreeing with this western concept but if no one else will do it then bless the person who will.
---john on 11/21/08|
It really depends on the size of the church. A small church cannot afford other full time staff members so the pastor must deal with them. or church members may not have the time. Our church in Tennesee is different - we have 2400 members, so we can keep a number of fulltime staff members to deal with certain issues. For example: our church has a fulltime psycholgist who has serveral interns, we have 5 other staff members, (not counting secretaries), who are specialist in their areas. The church my wife and I attended in Puerto Rico, had a council of five church members who dealt with church discipline and advised the pastor on other matters. It's all a matter of delegating, but you have to someone to delelate too.
---wivv on 11/21/08|
mima, your non-reply had nothing to do with what I said.
God's Spirit tells my spirit that your spirit is not in tune with His.
---katavasia on 11/21/08|
---katavasia if you will study this verse you will have your answer."For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God (Romans 8:14-16)"
question, is God's spirit not witness to your spirit?
---mima on 11/21/08|
"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) This would also go for me . . . not to try to lord myself over others, but win by example in the sight of God (o: And as I obey God, this can get me connected with others who obey Him. It seems I have done better and so now I have pretty good relations with TWO pastors who seem pretty with it in the word and ministering. But if I'm seeking to use people for status and romance etc., ones can fish me along, dangling that rotting fish of ministerial recognition in front of me. At least a goat is going after a carrot (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/21/08|
mima, do you think that YOUR concepts of buttonholing people to get them to make the quick evangelical decision for Jesus RIGHT NOW or "sprinkling people with the blood of Jesus" are in the Bible?
---katavasia on 11/20/08|
Psychology tells us that most humans are highly social and prefer groups over solitude. Sociology tells us that humans believe that there is strength in numbers and like having their beliefs confirmed by others. I believe that congregations are more of a mental study then a spiritual mandate. People go to churches (sorry Steveng) because they are essentially lazy yet have a deep need to belong. I doubt that the average parishoner has any clue what their churches belief statement truly says.
---TIMOTHY on 11/20/08|
The Bible shows trying to do it "ALL" didn't work for Moses. Subsequently, it can't effectively work for pastors today.
By the leading of the Holy Spirit, pastors must delegate church responsibilities to spirit-filled & led Christians who are members of their church.
Some pastors are A-type personalities & micro-managers. Pray for them to let go & let God!
---Leon on 11/20/08|
I agree that denominational churches are like that but the independent churches seem to flow more freely in the use of elders overseeing verses the one man pastor leadership. It would be good for the Church to go back to Biblical elder leadership.
---john on 11/19/08|
bec. pastors perceive they are in authority. like the pharisees they have control over the people & the people have no control over them. that is why when they were rebuked about their power, position & money, they were insulted. there are plenty of verses in the NT describing the arrogance & power of these pharisees, synagogue leaders who were a stumbling block instead of a stepping stone.
---mike on 11/19/08|
Mankind has always done things in order to imagine itself as "worthy" instead of simply rely on God's graciousness to make us acceptable to Him.
The fact is that there is NOTHING we can do in order to BE Godworthy, it has all been done by God Himself (the "works of God", John 6:28, 9:3).
The outer temple hung on the cross,...and each of us are an "inner" temple.
John 2:19 "in three days" (the temple of His body").
1 Corin. 3:16, 6:19 the temple within.
Since we don't need any spiritual teachers ("anointing", 1 John 2:27), mankind must be creative in order to get our money.
We must have a "faith FOR faith" (Romans 1:17, Hebrews 11:6).
---more_excellent_way on 11/19/08|
All throughout history, most people who ever taught "spirituality" (whether from a pulpit or not) were very well meaning people and would not ever hurt a [person's] soul, but they were irresponsible and neglected to realize that The Lord's house should not involve "moneychangers" (it should not be a BUSINESS at all).
There should be no "concept" of church BUILDINGS or worship centers at all, Jesus is the outer temple and the individual is the inner temple.
Jesus built the outer temple in His own body in the three days on the cross.
"in three days".
1 Corinthians 3:16 and 6:19 tell us of the temple within. Matthew 28:18
---more_excellent_way on 11/19/08|
I wish I knew the answer to this question. I have wondered about this many times. In fact I asked a question similar to this,on this blog,several weeks ago. My question did not make it and yours did. Praise God for that. God is so wonderful and so impartial.
The members act like little robots with no minds of thier own. Now if they please the pastor by following his instructions,giving him their tithes.offerings and other little niceties. He might shed a little attention on them but only, at his choosing. This is so-o-o- wrong and unbiblical.If you happen to not be a pastor-pleaser,too bad. Door shut in your face and you are ignored forever.
This is why people do not like organized religion/churches.
---Robyn on 11/18/08|
Because man always distorts what God does. They modernize everything and God cannot and will not bless it.
We are to gather together, take communion, worship in Spirit and in Truth, fellowship, share what the Lord has given each of us to share...and let the Holy Spirit take over.
This should be done from house to house. We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, not a building. Amen?
---donna8365 on 11/18/08|