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Why Christians Disagree

Why do you think people disagree on what the Word of God (Bible) is telling us?

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The truth is simple. I have attended far too many bible studies where we, as man, continue to figure God out, instead of gaining a better knowledge of Him. Keep it simple! :ike-minded people! If you find un-like-minded people, better search out another assembly of people. A house divided will fall! These truths we hold to be self-evident! In His Name....
---David on 4/20/09

Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay, but rather division:
---TheSeg on 2/5/09
You nailed Seg...with some scripture.
Things that elect should be aware of.
Very little disagreement between Christians when Scripture witnesses scripture. Especially when ancient language sources are readily available for further clarification. Things I look for here.
Wolves that say...look theres a wolf. These are the enemy's little helpers.
Uni-wolves that bleats like a sheep but offers no scripture witnessing scripture for identification but rather avoid like GOD is after them.
John 10:11 sheep...and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
John 10:12
---Trav on 4/20/09

I read and re-read the bible, and occasionally I change my mind about how to understand or interpret a passage. So, if I change my mind on how to interpret something, it shouldn't be hard to imagine that different people would interpret the bible differently. Its not that both interpretations can generally be accepted as correct, but it does show why people disagree. I agree with Sophia that the bible isn't always clear and on many topics it only briefly discusses the topic, so it is easy for there to be differences in interpretation when you add in our biaes and fallibility.
---Doug on 4/19/09

I agree with Sophia, and would add:

1) Some bloggers are wolves in the fold, not Christian.

2) Others reinterpret Scripture because of antibiblical ideas. For example some Christians have accepted evolution so don't believe Genesis is history.

3) Cult members aim to lead people away from Biblical Christianity-unwittingly doing Satan's bidding.

4) Others interpret Scripture through cultural beliefs-e.g. some here Christians must not drink alcohol. Others do so in moderation.

Many US Christians are in the antiDrink brigade. However nonDrinking Christians in Europe and the Middle-East are the minority.
---Warwick on 4/17/09

If we are led into understanding/truth by God there would be no difference, rather we would be in one accord. As we rely upon the Lord for revelation His word is made clear. However we, being human, and every man right in his own eyes, we do not rely on God in all instances, rather we rely on intellect, or what another has taught (without squaring it with scripture...), or some church doctrine. Seek the Lord and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. It's NOT an intellectual excercise.
---Christina on 4/16/09

The Bible gets interpreted by men with different knowledge, different agendas, different experiences, different biases and different abilities. As men we are imperfect.

Unfortunately but obviosly, everyone thinks their own thinking is perfect, so they then automatcally assume that someone who disagrees with them must be evil or an idiot.

The Bible is unclear on some topics and covers ever so many topics, so there will always be areas of disagreement because we as humans are fallible.
---Sophia on 3/19/09

"Go with what you know"! Saith the Lord thy God.
---catherine on 3/12/09

There are a number of reasons why Christian can't agree on what the Bible states. Often it's because they aren't really consulting the Holy Spirit for directions for a proper interpretation. Some just don't take into account the context of the total Scripture. Others don't know what the Bible really states on the subject and are just being influenced be others. (As a retired missionary, have been in churches that only the Bible with a black cover, in the King James version is Biblical)Some confuse social mores with what the Bible states. Since the Bible is concerned about the spiriturl nature, it doesn't always deal with the practical so you make the Bible states what is wanted. And on I could go with this list, but only have 85 words.
---wivv on 3/11/09

I think the reasons Christians disagree and are divided is that people focus on the minor things-things that are open to interpretation,and not the important things that bind all Christians together in the Body of Christ=namely our agreement that Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected to pay the price for our sins if we accept his love gift,repent,and ask Him to be our Lord and Saviour.That is what binds us as brother and sisters in Christ...not denominational ties or disagreements on minor issues.Paul says that some things we know and some are unclear,but when the Perfect comes,all things will become clear(paraphrased).those who divide insist that all things must be clear and they are always right.
---judy on 2/27/09

Luk 12:14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?

Who here can see that we all have, each in are own way! I hear the same things from almost all of you. But you dont see it. I dont understand this. There is only one God.

Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay, but rather division:

I see clearly, that he did, well not that he did, but that we do! We separate are selves one from another. The sad thing is we use his word to do it.
He said you are all forgiven! So, who will judge us? Do you see your words now!
---TheSeg on 2/5/09

1. Ego. Men are more concerned with saying they know the truth, than saying they don't or than actually finding it.
2. Bible. The bible is not always clear on all subjects and yet we want to make it clear (use our own limited knowledge) and pretend it is clear.
3. Money and Power: Churches gain money and power by gaining loyal adherents. They cannot be loyal to something that is not different, so differences are emphasized and sometimes even created in order to create a "brand identity".
4. Biases. Biases of upbringing, life experience and more are things we bring to our bible reading and it skews what we then get from the bible.
---doug on 2/3/09

Paul, can I refer you to 1 Corinthians Chapter 3. The church is not made of bricks (ie visible) but made of people whose bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. And even if it was the brick church at one point in time, the church has now aposacized and we are out of the 'Church Age' and into a new age. The church has suicided itself so to speak. Christianity survives as long as Christians are free to speak out. The new Hate Crimes Law brought in over the holidays, when passed, will prevent preachers from preaching the faith in America - on the streets etc. In other words the true church will be silenced. Those preachers will go into detention. Just my opinion.
---frances008 on 1/18/09

brother, I am not picking.
It is the truth. Christ is the ROCK.
It was Peter's faith Christ was talking about in Matthew.
We must have faith that we are saved. That Christ is our Rock of Salvation because He is our Rock of Salvation. Don't you believe this?
If you believe that the RCC will get you to heaven, you are sadly mistaken. Christ is the only Way. He is the Rock not the RCC or Peter, or any other man made denomination.
It may have been the RCC that helped you find Jesus but they aren't the ones that will save you.
God Bless you!
---miche3754 on 1/17/09

miche- if it wasn't for my church denomination I would not have the faith I do today in Jesus.
because My church preached the gospel of the Lord is why I heard it. Which today is why I accepted it. What? Jesus of course.

Thank God for my church- ???? the RRC

go pick on some other denomination that doesn't preach Christ is the savior of the world please!
---paul on 1/17/09

Amen! Alexander, Amen!

just to add-
1Peter 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

1Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded

1Peter 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

ALL talking about Jesus not Peter.

You are the temple. Jesus is the rock you build upon not Peter.
We should not trust man made denominations. That includes RCC. Trust God!
---miche3754 on 1/15/09

The rock in which Jesus is talking about regarding Peter is his FAITH.
The Peter's faith is which he will build His visible church on earth with!!!!!!

Peter had it..that's why he was referring to Peter.
---paul on 1/14/09

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Peter himself agrees that the Messiah is the rock on which the church is built (1 Peter 2:8)

So, this is the answer.

And yes, Strongs definitely confirms this.
---Alexander on 1/14/09

You outlined it very nicely, less than 125. Thanks.
The Greek words used as you pointed out,Strongs give the true interpretation at the start. Here again misreading of the scripture is a foundation of an entire organization....which is flawed fundamentally. I'll go as far as to say all doctrinal Churches are flawed....just not to the degree the universal church is.
---Trav on 1/15/09

When I spoke of "unity of spirit", I was not speaking specifically of the "spirit of truth".
I don't minimize the place of doctrine. But I AM saying that I don't have to agree another person's doctrine to recognize when they are among the Redeemed and therefore my brother or sister in Christ. I may not agree with someone on baptism, communion, eternal security, sanctification, eschatology or any number of other things. I may not even KNOW exactly what they believe. But the Holy Spirit within me recognizes a person as a heaven-bound believer and so I sense that we share the same Spirit.

We can be unified in the Spirit even as we debate doctrine. If we disagree, we are not adversaries, we are still on the same side.
---Donna66 on 1/14/09

Alexander :- You can have Strongs, songs and an indefinite "COULD" But you miss the point The rock is Jesus testimony His doctrine and the name given to Peter by Jesus from Simon bar Jonah, was given on His Peters Stalwartness Plus the choice of the Father.Peter was entrusted with this commission .He carried it out as Jesus Knew.The Holy spirit Guides His church and He confirms I shall be with you always.You want to believe strong in your weakness? I believe in Jesus The holy Spirit and His doctrine HIS WORD.Jesus is GOD and not a rock.
---Mic on 1/14/09

The Messiah said to Peter,"and upon this rock I will build my church"

He could have pointed on Peter or Himself when saying that.

How can we know for sure who is this rock?

According to His purpose, the Truth should be witnessed by the Law and Testimony (Isiah 8:20, Luke 24:27,44).

In the Law, Our Creator is the Rock (Deut 32:4).

In the Testimony, He is the ONLY Rock:

For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God? (Psalm 18:31)

He only is my rock and my salvation (Psalm 62:6)

Peter himself agrees that the Messiah is the rock on which the church is built (1 Peter 2:8)

So, this is the answer.

And yes, Strongs definitely confirms this.
---Alexander on 1/14/09

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Trav & Mish:-What People discern to be the truth by their interpretation,is NOT TRUTH.Truth is what God says His word is truth.Don't try to convince me, use your logic to convince GOD, of your misunderstanding "HE said the words" Matt16,13-19It is HE who will judge you Block or ROCK.The holy spirit Guides.Eve was deluded by the same person who is leading you and your shipmates to the ROCKS of doom, despair and destruction.God NOMINATED His CHURCH "My Church"Follow me" or land on the to understand Peter is the staunch unfailing reliance of His doctrine in His Church.Peter is a fisher of men.He represents the Rock of staunchness reliability God placed His trust in Him and he Produced the RCC
---Mic on 1/14/09

Your interpretation therefore does not matter a whit.Ask The lord He gave the name to Peter "The Rock"which before was Simon. a simple fisherman.
---Mic on 1/13/09
Yes interpretation does matter. It is the difference between the Truth and a lie.

Sorry brother, BUT trav is RIGHT!

Peter is not what the Church is built upon.
Thanks trav, I have been trying to tell him this for a while. Maybe you can get through to him with the truth where me and others could not.
God Bless you both!
---miche3754 on 1/14/09

Your interpretation therefore does not matter a whit.Ask The lord He gave the name to Peter "The Rock"which before was Simon. a simple fisherman.
---Mic on 1/13/09
Excuse me please. Did not mean to confuse. Take a chill pill and try a concordance.

Pet'ros Peters name is a peice of Rock. Not THE rock as in CHRIST.G4073
& #960, & #949, & #769, & #964, & #961, & #945,

(PETER) petra
a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): - rock.

Apparently a primary word, a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037), as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786.
---Trav on 1/14/09

I believe there is so much disagreement concerning the Word of God, because people are trying to understand and comprehend something spiritual with their human intellect. The Bible is spiritually discerned. It states that the Holy Spirit will lead and guide you into all true and that's exactly what it means.
---Pat on 1/13/09

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I know what the world and the unregenerate believes, and I know what the real born-again Christian believes. Alot of people are not saved, and without really knowing or learning what is in the Bible for themselves, they will make up their own opinions about it: which is equal to asking a newborn infant to explain the meaning of Life, when let alone the baby cannot even tell you what a pamper is.
---Eloy on 1/13/09

Alexander~ Most churches don't teach the true gospel because they are afraid too, and have their priorities in the wrong order.
---Anne on 1/13/09

TRAV:- I am not a numerological thought reader.Even Jesus did not resort to such melodrama. He was clear short and concise.2 WORDS "My Church"is the NOMINATION. Your numerical diatribe is confusion and therefore agreed upon by people of similar confused ilk.This is a ploy of those who are allied to Thy seed as in gen.3 :15What you have tried to prove is Disprove God.s word, understandable cause it only comes from one source.U NO!!The key is Jesus who chose the name NOMINATING Peter.Your interpretation therefore does not matter a whit.Ask The lord He gave the name to Peter "The Rock"which before was Simon. a simple fisherman.
---Mic on 1/13/09

Petras is key here,signifying ROCK as in Christ. Petros a piece of the rock.
---Trav on 1/13/09


I know we don't always agree but when you are speaking truth of God you are speaking the truth.

Christ is the rock not a any man made denomination or nomination as mic said.

It is about Christ.
---miche3754 on 1/13/09

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Mark:-God declared a NOMINATION in Matt.16:13-19 all others are DENOMINATIONS,Man appointed or declared.
---Mic on 1/10/09

Wow, Mic this was pretty good. Without knowing your flavor this has a catholic ring to it. I've heard this scripture used by them.
Mat 16:18 AndG1161 I say alsoG2504 G3004 unto thee,G4671 ThatG3754 thouG4771 artG1488 Peter,G4074 andG2532 uponG1909 thisG5026 rockG4073 I will buildG3618 myG3450 church,G1577 andG2532 the gatesG4439 of hellG86 shall notG3756 prevail againstG2729 it.G846

Petras is key here,signifying ROCK as in Christ. Petros a piece of the rock.
---Trav on 1/13/09

Calhoon " People disagree in scripture because they dont believe in the true Gospel. They have their own Gospel that was taught them by their Churches."

I completely agree. But then two questions arise:

What is the true Gospel?

And why the Churches don't teach it?
---Alexander on 1/12/09

Calhoon~ You said some true things, and yes, we can get stubborn and pride-filled, and it leads to arguing and back-biting and sometimes even hate filled thoughts. This is completely not the Christian walk, and we need to get rid of these attitudes as soon as we recognize them, or as soon as the Holy Spirit convicts us, and repent of these ways, and sincerely seek God's help and guidance.

I think the point you're trying to get across is that we must teach and learn in all patience and humility. Jesus was ridiculed a great deal, but He turned the other cheek. It did not stop Him from teaching the awesome news of God's Word however. We should live to follow amazing examples Like Jesus, Paul, and John.
---Anne on 1/12/09

People disagree in scripture because they dont believe in the true Gospel. They have their own Gospel that was taught them by their Churches. To understand Scripture we must have a true foundation, which most people dont have.
People in these blogs cant even agree on how one must be saved or stay saved. No wonder that unbelievers dont want to go to our Churches or be Christian. Our light does NOT shine.
---calhoon on 1/12/09

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Rod~ You brought out some excellent scripture, and scripture we should all heed.

I really hope a lot of people put their insights into this besides me since this is so important.

When I am on these blogs, I try hard, as you do, to be patient and kind as the Bible teaches and as the Spirit leads us. Even in the face of disagreements, I feel we need to teach and learn in patience and humility. I try to apologize if I mess up.

I think we should kindly exhort other Christians who are getting out of bounds with arguing etc. How do you feel about it?

I mostly just let the Holy Spirit and God's word try and guide me where to 'draw the line.' I think you set a very good example of thoughtful behavior on these blogs Rod.
---Anne on 1/11/09

Anne: Agreed, but...somewhere there is a line, I Tim 6:20, ..."guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing argument of what is falsely called knowledge..."

continued...I Tim 6:3 "if any one advocates a different doctrine, and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with sound doctrine (godly actions, includes respect for one another)...he is conceited...has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive langauge, evil suspions, and constant friction...."

Where do you suggest to draw the line? some people are not interested in the truth.
---Rod on 1/11/09

Rod~ I agree with you, and I hate arguing. I think we should strive for peace wherever possible. However there are a few areas where true passion and mission should prevail. Jesus, was for the most part a man who taught in a Spirit of peace and understanding. But on the other hand, there were some very obstinate people such as the Pharisees that Jesus had to vehemently disagree with, for the Pharisees were leading people in lies. Jesus had to stand up to them with all His might for the Pharisees were a very powerful force to deal with. Jesus even said, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. So, I do believe in certain situations we have to be very straightforward.
---Anne on 1/11/09

Test the spirits. If you are in Christ, test the spirits. James 3:13-18, "if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth...this is earthly, natural, demonic, ...where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy."

Test the spirits. Ask yourself, does a blog respresent a spirit of peace or a spirit of contention?
---Rod on 1/10/09

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"Why do you think people disagree..." Different levels of understanding.
We mature at a rate given us from above. What we may fail to understand, is that none of us has reached the final level, it is infinite. Therefore we must consider that "To whom much is given, much is required". The basic requirements are faith, hope and love, with love as the greatest of these. Love is patient, kind, never resentfully envious, boastful or proud. Never high minded, rude or selfish. Love does not demand its own way. It is never irritable or touchy, never holds grudges, never happy about a deception and always rejoices when truth is brought to light. Let love be your greatest aim, even in the midst of disagreements.
---Josef on 1/11/09

Mic: "If the doctrine is different it is not from the same source!If it is not from the same source it is not from the same SPIRIT"

Trav: "There is only one truth. It is never found or will be found in modern organized doctrines or of men."

---Alexander on 1/10/09

TRAV:-I agree but the doctrine of God's truth does exist, and God challenges us to seek this truth which can be found His way Not mans way,using spirits which they THINK are holy, but alas to their detriment.
Mark:-God declared a NOMINATION in Matt.16:13-19 all others are DENOMINATIONS,Man appointed or declared.
---Mic on 1/10/09

Mark:-The denomination you speak of is HIS Jesus Christ,The same God you tout and taunt, YOUR way TRY HIS way in His prescribed Mannet Matt16:13-19This therefore is YOUR agenda to delude.the spirit that pervades your actions is from genesis3:1, as it has no apostolic succession, just plain destruction including your self.
---Mic on 1/10/09

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If the doctrine is different it is not from the same source!If it is not from the same source it is not from the same SPIRIT>!
--Mic on 1/8/09

This is close above....there are many that do know truth, ....almost no split or disagreement. It is rarely asked for.....with the whole heart. This site witnesses this.
I have seen here....spirit of doubt,fear,pride,evil,disobedience,false indoctrination,false prophecy's,laziness. There is no fear by some in their self guided missions. Spirit of ignorance.

There is only one truth. It is never found or will be found in modern organized doctrines or of men.
---Trav on 1/10/09

Thank you Donna for your post. You are completely correct. I find that most who answer have an agenda. They speak for their denomination, or just answer to make conflict between others. The same holds true for bible studying. They already went wrong in one part, and try to make the Bible speak on their behalf an so look for passages that seem to imply something to what they believe. Mostly it is passages that are implied not explicit statments. If everyone was for the Truth only, we would have more people agreeing. But you are right, the unity is in Spirit. Donna, we need more of your inside, I encourage you to answer more, we all need you.
---MarkV. on 1/10/09

If the doctrine is different it is not from the same source!If it is not from the same source it is not from the same SPIRIT>!!!!!Summary is based on each persons intelligence That is why Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to be and GUIDE HIS CHURCH Matt16:13-19.
---Mic on 1/8/09

Donna 66: "The unity ... is a unity of spirit, not doctrine."

This is a Spirit of Truth (John 14:17), so there must be the unity of doctrine.

Bible study is great, but it alone does not give understanding.

Yet, only the Truth shall give us eternal life (John 17:3).

Yahweh has to REVEAL His Truth to someone (Romans 14:15), like He always did in the past (Noah, Moses, prophets), and send this person to preach.

The Truth revealed to Apostles was corrupted by later traditions and interpretations: that's why Christians disagree.

In 1931 Yahweh gave a man a panoramic vision and revelation. This is a proof-based original Bible teaching. Please take time to investigate at soundingthetrumpet dotcom.
---Alexander on 1/8/09

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The unity among Chrians is a unity of spirit, not doctrine. Doctrine is derived in many different ways, thus the disagreement.

So much of the Bible is open to interpretation. Large portions of the Word in the OT and the book of Revelation use symbolic language which is all but impossible to apply literally.

It's also quite common for Christians to use deductive reasoning rather than inductive reasoning when interpreting the Bible. That is, they form a conclusion, then look for Scriptures (which may, or may not, be related to the subject)to support it.

The Bible must interpret itself. It must be seen as a whole. Read, read, read, then summerize what the Word seems to be saying.
---Donna66 on 1/7/09

Paul2: Donna8365 is right: "Truth is revealed, and if the Spirit of God doesn't reveal the truth then you give your opinion instead of what the Spirit of God showed you."

You are also absolutely right when talking about pastors' brainwashing under the disguise of revelation.

Yahweh's truth was revealed to the apostles, but later was corrupted by the years of tradition. As the result we have opinions and disagreements.

However His original truth was again revealed through the Divine Vision, supported by "the cloud of witnesses" (Heb 12:1)rather than fanatical preaching. Please check out soundingthetrumpet dotcom: you may find the information very enlightening.
---Alexander on 1/7/09

Further down, Donna said: "1) Truth is revealed, and if the Spirit of God doesn't reveal the truth then you give your opinion instead of what the Spirit of God showed you."

Donna, several people THINK the Truth is revealed to them but in fact it is not. Some Pastors brainwash their listeners with fanaticl preaching making them believe so.

Prudence is the queen of all virtues - it's good if we all exercise it.
---Paul2 on 1/2/09

MarkV thank you. What is so precious and wonderful about God,to me,is that he meets each of His Children where they are and leads them to where He wants them to be. I stand in awe at the move of God toward His own. How His love covers our weaknesses and His power keeps,teaches,and directs us. How sweet to be part of the family of God. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 1/2/09

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StrongAxe, isn't it interesting that Peter should have known better. God using Peter to witness to Gentiles sent him a dream three times concerning Gentiles.

Peter and Paul did not disagree on doctrinal issues. Peter was playing the hypocrite in front of the Lawyers who came to town. THAT is what Paul rebuked him for...his hypocracy. AND Peter didn't want to suffer persecution for the CROSS of Christ!!!! You see, the CROSS is not prejeduous either, and puts everyone on the same playing field...we are ALL sinners before God...Jew and Gentile.

Gentiles are not sinners of the Jews therefore have no need to become like Jews or be subjected to Jewish LAW whatsoever for salvation!
---kathr4453 on 12/31/08

Great post Alexander. You explained it very well. In case I don't talk to you until tomorrow, have a wonderful new year for you and your family.

Many blessings to everyone who is on line "and most of all the moderators who work very hard posting all the answers and questions." Thank you so very much.
---MarkV. on 12/31/08

I agree with---Alexander last post.
---mima on 12/30/08

StrongAxe: "Paul also consistently taught salvation by faith and not works (lest anyone should boast), while James said that both faith AND works were required (James 2)."

No, Paul and James were not in contradiction. When Paul taught about salvation, he was teaching it was not by the works of the Mosaic Law. James is talking about works that are the result or manifestation of the new nature of the believer. Paul was talking about such works as well: "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." (Eph 2:10)
---Alexander on 12/29/08

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They agreed on doctrinal issues? Not entirely. Paul had to publicly rebuke Peter over the issue of eating with gentiles (Galatians 2:11-21). Paul also consistently taught salvation by faith and not works (lest anyone should boast), while James said that both faith AND works were required (James 2).
---StrongAxe on 12/29/08

you must remember that the apostles were eyewitnesses to the resurrection of jesus.the problem is not in the bible ,aka Gods word,it is within people.the truth is the same yesterday ,today,and forever, no matter what people think it is.the truth is in jesus,in being born again,in living in the spirit,and bearing the fruits of the spirit,then being a living witness of this in thought,deeds,and actions,always guided by the spirit in love.
---tom2 on 12/28/08

StrongAxe "These were all people filled with the Spirit, yet they had strong disagreements."

Yes, you are right. The Apostles did have personal disagreements. In many cases their behavior was corrected when the truth was presented (e.g., Paul correcting Peter in Galatians). Importantly, though, the Apostles had basically unified understanding: what Paul, Peter, John and James wrote on DOCTRINAL issues in their letters agree.

In comparison, read what people in the Christian blogs, or theologians from different denominations write: they clearly disagree on doctrinal issues.

If you would like to know how Christian tradition has changed the original Gospel, please write to yahshuan at gmaildotcom for an article.
---Alexander on 12/26/08

Darline, I believe you gave a good answer concerning this topic. God deals with all of us different. Many have years of knowledge, some have little. Many are smarter, others need more time and so on. Some have all the tools, others don't. God has different task for each one. Reveals His word to His desire for each person. The reason the Bible tells us to be of one accord is because many times they were not in one accord. It didn't have to do with the Gospel Truth but mainly with their conduct. As with Peter when he ate with the Jews. Habits traditions, Spiritual gifts and the law were a problem in the beginning so scripture continuously keeps reminding us don't do that or this. Why? because it was happening.
---MarkV. on 12/24/08

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Concerning the gosple Truth 2.
There is many denominations that differ from another but not in the essentials of the Christian faith, but in how to administer the Gospel. They have different ideas on how to go about bringing the gospel. The Catholics want to bring it by traditions, by works of merit, and claim to be the only way, others still want to hold on to the law, others baptize different then others, some use the gifts if they were going out of style. The one's with a different gospel are called cults because they don't fall under what true Christians believe concerning the Gospel. So long as man is running the show on earth building different churches you will always have sin present. God's spiritual church is perfect. No sin there.
---MarkV. on 12/24/08


Ok, let's look at some examples AFTER Pentecost.

Paul had to publicly rebuke Peter because he ate with Jews but not Gentiles.

Paul had such a personality conflict with Mark that they parted ways.

These were all people filled with the Spirit, yet they had strong disagreements.
---StrongAxe on 12/23/08

StrongAxe: Yes, you are right. But why Yahshua (Jesus) gave them this power? To show that this power was from Him. Then, when He will be gone and will be not visibly WITH them, but invisibly IN them (John 14:17,18), they will understand where the power is coming from (e.g., Acts 4:10).

When Yahshua sent His disciples to do miracles, He gave them instructions, and they had a clear understanding what to do: there were no speculations.

Likewise, if His Spirit is truly in the believers, they should have spiritual understanding which IS eternal life (John 17:3): there should be no speculations.
---Alexander on 12/23/08


And yet, these same Apostles were healing the sick and performing great miracels WHILE JESUS WAS STILL HERE, before the crucifixion, before the Holy Spirit came.
---StrongAxe on 12/23/08

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StrongAxe: " If the Apostles themselves didn't have a completely unified understanding, how can we expect billions of Christians alive today to do so?"

Excellent examples showing that the disciples themselves didn't have a unified understanding.

The explanation is simple: NONE of the disciples AT THAT TIME had true understanding. They were naturally minded. Only after receiving the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost they had the revelation of the truth or spiritual understanding, fulfilling the prophecy of Jeremiah 31:34: "No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying,'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest".
---Alexander on 12/22/08


Peter told Jesus he didn't have to die (and Jesus told him "get behind me, Satan!"). Later, Peter denied Jesus three times. Judas betrayed Jesus to the Pharisees. Thomas disbelieved the resurrection.

Yet these were all men who travelled with Jesus and performed miracles in his name.

If the Apostles themselves didn't have a completely unified understanding, how can we expect billions of Christians alive today to do so?
---StrongAxe on 12/22/08

If one could weigh who is right or how much one knows there would never be a balance in the scales. Every person walks in the light which they have. We may have the same beliefs but express them in different ways. In Bible discussion groups I wondered why I was always different in the way I saw things. A test taken much later showed I was what they called an original thinker,which means I don't reach conclusions in the same way others do. There was nothing wrong with me or them as long as we live by and obey the Bible,not our translation of it but God's meaning. Seeking holiness and God's truth not man's tradition will get us to the desired goal. Thats why love needs to move us. Living by the Law of Love keeps us on the right track to God.
---Darlene_1 on 12/19/08

Christianity has hundreds of denominations, there is no united understanding of the Bible. The discussions here and on other blogs reflects that.

Importantly, our Savior taught that salvation comes by UNDERSTANDING (Matthew 13:23, John 17:3). The apostles had this understanding (1 John 5:20), why don't we? Can it be that the truth was distorted by the years of tradition?

How then can we know His truth? Yahweh has to REVEAL it to someone (Romans 14:15), like in the past (Noah, Moses, prophets, Paul) and send to preach His message or Gospel.

I will be happy to send you a revealing article on how Paul's gospel is different from the contemporary gospel of traditional Christianity: please write to yahshuan at gmaildotcom.
---Alexander on 12/19/08

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Often we make issues out things that are given their importance by Man and not God.

Different levels of faiths.

Different parts of the body have different functions so we will see things differently.

People are heavily influenced by their spiritual state when dealing with circumstances.

Even though we are saved we are still being sanctified. Even Paul had his thorn in his flesh.
---Martin_nz on 12/19/08

When Christ comes back...every knee will bow to Him for sure.
I wish we could all agree and respect each other as God's Children.
I pray for that.
God bless you all
---paul on 12/17/08




Right! And don't forget:
2 Timothy 2:15:
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
---StrongAxe on 12/17/08

"When will the studying stop and the intimate relationship with God begins?"

Studying shouldn't ever stop. The intimacy of the relationship is only further increased as one studies His word. You have set up a false dichotomy: either closeness with God OR studying. I would argue that this closeness is only facilitated (not hindered) by us being students (disciples) of His.

"When will Christians trust the Holy Spirit for guidances?"

How does the use of references indicate a lack of trust?

"It seems like most Christians have the knowledge of God, but deny his power."

And some become ignorant of this knowledge, believing that the Lord requires not our disciplined study.
---Bobby3 on 12/17/08

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Strongaxe~ Excellent answer! God gives grace to the humble, but resists the proud. What a wise answer, and something we all need to ask ourselves...are we trying to walk humbly, or do we usually let pride get the best of us.

IICor.13:5: "Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Prove yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?- unless indeed you are disqualified."

Eph 4:31-32: "Let all bitterness, wrath, anger and evil speaking be put away from you. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ forgave you."
---Anne on 12/17/08

I will explain it to you the way God explained it to me, when I asked Him what to do when this occurs. He said, "just go with what YOU know". A very good answer straight from God's very own lips, my friend.
---catherine on 12/17/08

People WANT to be right. This can lead to two different approaches:

Some are humble (and aren't afraid to admit being wrong) constantly seek out truth, and when they find their beliefs differ from the truth, adjust their beliefs.

Others believe they already possess truth (and are thus incapable of error), think anything that disagrees with their beliefs must necessarily disagree with truth, and must be ruthlessly challenged. Whenever two such people lock horns, sparks fly.

Most of us are somewhere beween these two extremes, and even vary depending on the subject (for example, theologians may be very doctrinaire about their theology, but very gullible when receiving estimates from their auto mechanics).
---StrongAxe on 12/17/08

There are many reasons why Christians disagree, the greatest problems are either the misinterpretation of, or not knowing the Scripture. A few days ago a women tried to convince me that Saturday was the only true day of worship. She was told this is what Christ said, but, Christ never stated this. He said, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and most important commandment. The second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments.
Matt 22:34-40 A large number of Christians don't like what they been told isn't the truth, according to the Bible, but feel they have to defend their beliefs, even if wrong.
---wivv on 12/16/08

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People disagree because #1 Pride. People think that they are right and God and the Bible are wrong, and so we need to go with them. This leads to #2 where people want to go with man's and the world's oppion on things (which are mostly LIES), and NOT with God and His Word (100% TRUTH, 100% of the time). People would rather follow man and the world, than to follow God and His Word. For ALL the people I told them that they were deceived, it is because what they said went AGAINST God and His Word. They were following man and the world, NOT God and His Word. When you follow man and the world (not God and His Word), it leads to deception.
---Leslie on 12/16/08

Donna8365- GOOD JOB, YOU ARE CORRECT. To add to it though, when people are not shown things by Holy Spirit, they tend to go with the world and man, NOT God and His Word. This is why it is SO IMPORTANT to read the Bible for yourself, and let the HOLY SPIRIT LED YOU and TEACH YOU (like Jesus did the disciples) 100% of the time (NOT man). John 14:26, 1 Corinthians 1:19-20,25, 1 Corinthians 2:6-16, 1 John 2:27. When we get into God's Word for ourselves, and let Holy Spirit teach us, then we WILL have the wisdom of God.
---Leslie on 12/16/08

Bobby3: "A proper understanding of the Bible is only possible via careful and thorough study."

When will the studying stop and the intimate relationship with God begins?

How do most Christians study the Bible? Answer: with concordances, novels, authors opinions, Christian dictionaries and other worldly Christian reference books. When will Christians trust the Holy Spirit for guidances?

Studying only acknowledges that God exists. It seems like most Christians have the knowledge of God, but deny his power.

Alas, love have finally left the planet Earth - including within the so-called "churches."
---Steveng on 12/16/08

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