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Could it be that Joel 2:28,"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions" is upon us?

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I can go along with your rainbow interpretation. However, the US Constitution has been effectively nullified by numerous actions of Congress and the Pres over the past 100 years.

They've already taken away "freedom of religion". If you're a "christian", you are politically and socially unacceptable--even in private. Of course, if you're anything else... you're good-to-go. Suprised?

If that's freedom of religion, then we've got plenty of it. Otherwise, I think you oughta fall back on your rainbows--and Jesus. That's all the freedom you're likely to see--that, and what's in your dreams. And when they take the guns... there will be NO freedoms. Count on it: 'cause they sure are.
---BruceB on 5/7/09

I personally believe God shows us individually visions as a source of reassurance. I had a dream in 1995 that made no sense but certain events have taken place to easily make them a reality. All I know is at the end of the dream I saw a rainbow in a night sky and now just in the last year or so I understand that to mean that God keeps His promises even when times get very dark. The Constitution is not just a piece of paper and God will not let it become one...know that ..learn that! Remember the scene in Back To the Future, Doc says when this baby hits 88 you going to see some serious "stuff"..Well when they try to take away freedom of religion...You're going to see some serious stuff from God!
---cindy on 4/26/09

Water baptism is taught in the bible using real water.

If we are to look up to Jesus as an example, then we are to be baptised with water as he did. Unfortunatly, Christians today stop at being baptised with water in the name of Jesus and rarely go futher to be baptised by the Holy spirit.

Besides, if being baptised were not so, would Philip tell the eunuch that water baptism was not necessary? All the apostles baptised with water - the liquid.

---Steveng on 3/7/09

All throughout history, traditional Christianity has never taught about the LIVING water. If you can find any denominations or sects of Christianity that have ever taught "living water baptism", they likely never made any connection to "the inner baptism/consecration of a person". Water baptism has always been believed to be accomplished with H2O.

Now The Lord is offering Christianity the wisdom to know that the water necessary for baptism is not H2O. It is our UNDERSTANDING/realization of this that shows that these are the LAST "last days" (end times).

"Sons and daughters" (many of us) will announce (prophesy) this INNER baptism (but will not BE "prophets", lest we be puffed up).
---more_excellent_way on 3/5/09

I have looked at that scripture, before. The answer is no. Every Spiritual gift are a rarity. Prophets are a few in numbers.
---catherine on 3/5/09

Now The Lord's spirit is poured out on "ALL FLESH...".... that the inner temple (1 Corin. 3:16 and 6:19) can be consecrated to the outer temple (Jesus, John 2:19 and 21, there are no "church" buildings/temples for "worship").

"go into your room and shut the door". (Matthew 6:6).

God does not live in "shrines" (temple buildings/structures, Acts 17:24).

IF and when we decide to give help/assistance to someone, we should not give it grudgingly, we should give it WILLINGLY/cheerfully (God loves a cheerful giver, not a hypocritical one).

It is time to fully realize what Jesus did on the cross (the works of God, John 6:28, 9:3, Ephes. 2:15, James 1:25, 2:12).
---more_excellent_way on 3/4/09

The question is whether the end times "last days" are "upon us". When this "generation" that always "seeks for a sign" receives the only sign that will be given (Luke 11:29, true repentance from seeking man's approval), the time is near.

H2O was only an OUTWARD sign (but real circumcision/devotion is INNER, Romans 2:29) that would symbolize that the "House of Israel" had been consecrated...
Ezekiel 39:29
"when I pour out my Spirit upon the house of Israel".

Many who claim to be "Christian" only come to Christ out of hunger (and eat of the bread of life), but not all thirst for the water that is OF HIS SPIRIT.

..."by the door" (John 10:1).
---more_excellent_way on 3/4/09

David A,

At the time in history that John The Baptist made people wet in order to "baptize", using H2O for baptizing a person was a completely valid and holy act, but now it is the heart and mind (the inner being) that should be consecrated (baptized) so that God's spirit can "indwell" in a person who has accepted Jesus and will remain exclusive to Him and are peaceful and just.

"LIVING" water baptism (Acts 1:5) means that "rivers of LIVING water" (Jesus's water was "LIVING") will "flow from the heart" (figurative tears of sorrow for those who suffer misfortune, John 7:38) so that we "neither thirst" (Revelation 7:16).
---more_excellent_way on 3/4/09

more_execellent_way, I see part of what you are saying. My view is that we have often held baptism up as a one time event whereas its ongoing. In luke, which says of itself that its an orderly account, it is written that Jesus said "I have a baptism to undergo and I am greatly distressed until it is finished" (my paraphase). But this is written after Jesus submitted to water baptism by his cuz JTB. Baptism is deep and rich and wide. Jesus said his disciples were clean because of the word they accepted and yet still instructed them to wash each others feet and even yet, in acts, the spirit brought baptism *INTO JESUS* by HS and water. The baptism Jesus bought and brought is alive. The manifestations we see are evidence of that.
---DavidA on 3/3/09

That DavidA guy is so lame. Obviously Jacob didn't steal his fathers birth right but his brother Essau.
---DavidA on 3/2/09

One of the most amazing prophesies in my opinion seems to be being fulfilled daily despite having being fulfilled in a very literal fashion in the time period it was originally revealed. God told Rebecca "the oldest will serve the youngest". We know Jacob stole Isaac's birth right. But we also know the new covenant is being served by the old covenant in about a zillion ways. Tne Apostle Paul highlights some of the ways in Romans, other ways are written in the book of Hebrews. It almost seems like not just a recurring prophesy but a living prophesy.

---DavidA on 3/1/09

Yep its here. Don't know when it started or if it ever stopped for that matter I just know it has happened to me and it can happen to you. I didn't like it, it broke my heart, I prayed for God to make it not come true. But it did come to pass. It was hard but it was also sweet in a way. Later someone came to me and told me they did not believe God still did stuff like that and the dream I had convinced him he did since he was in it and it did come true. I'm not convinced prophecies are always heart breaking though at least thats the way I feel about it right now. I think they are always encouraging just hard to take some times and I know they are for our strengthening.
---DavidA on 2/27/09

I was studying and this is what I learned.
---catherine on 2/20/09

**and the establishment of the earthly Davidic Millennial Kingdom that follows the events of the Great Tribulation.**


There's no such thing as an "earthly Davidic Millennial Kingdom."

Jesus said, "My Kingdom is NOT Of this world"--which is precisely what this Millennium is, by your own words.

Furthermore, a Millennial kingdom comes to an end. The Kingdom of Christ WILL HAVE NO END. Else the Angel in Luke 1 was lying.
---katavasia on 2/20/09

I find it interesting that in Acts 2:16 Peter quoted old testament scripture, but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: I've always been told that a prophecy was fulfilled once. I'm not sure of that, but Peter's statement give strong support that the prophecy was fulfilled when he preached his sermon and three thousand souls were saved.
---Bob on 2/20/09

And Jesus will move men, and believe me that's it in a nut shell. TO CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD. All these things mentioned in this particular scripture will be preliminary to the coming of the DAY OF THE LORD. In its context, Joel has compressed together in true prophetic fashion events separated by Millennia. [836 BC]. In Joel's day, the day of Pentecost on which the Holy Spirit was inded poured out universally and made available for ALL mankind [AD 33]. Watch this...the event of the Great Tribulation [Separated from the day of Penetcost by at least 2000 years], and the establishment of the earthly Davidic Millennial Kingdom that follows the events of the Great Tribulation.
---catherine on 2/20/09

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it has been upon us for a very long time, at least the past 150+ years, but we're now just paying attention~accepting it.
---candice on 2/20/09

The point is found in what I wrote...the giving and filling of the spirit is not the same as being baptized by the living water of the spirit. I was not saying that there is no knowledge anywhere on earth that water flowed from Jesus's side, I am saying that the average Christian (meaning "most", not ALL, including pastors) have absolutely no concept of the water as signifying the inner acceptance and possession of a Godlike nature. Ask churchgoers and pastors what flowed from Christ's side, most will tend to only say "blood" (instead of "blood AND water").

Christianity's discovery of LIVING water baptism (inner baptism of the heart) is for the "last days" of the present.
---more_excellent_way on 2/20/09

** Most Christians are not immediately aware of the water that also flowed from Christ's side at the cross.**

I'm not too sure just what this has to do with the subject of the thread, however, there's an old prayer that contains the line, "Water from the side of Christ, wash me."

And in the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, water is poured into the chalice after the wine with John 19:34 being recited.
---katavasia on 2/19/09

Most Christians are not immediately aware of the water that also flowed from Christ's side at the cross. If they are aware of the water, they are not sure why it happened or it's significance (ask any churchgoer or pastor about what flowed). At that point in time, you will understand the "strong delusion" and the difference between the "giving" of the spirit and the "living water" baptism (INNER acceptance of God's spirit, "indwelling").

The living water is being POURED.
---more_excellent_way on 2/19/09

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The "filling" of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost is not to the same as realizing the "POURING" His "living water" (sharp contrast). The celestial bodies (sun and moon) were not active as described. Neither am I aware of any "signs on the earth beneath" (volcanos and earthquakes are increasing today) at that time in history. When the celestial bodies become active as described, it seems that the daytime weather will be so severe that the days will be shortened to 16 hours...

Rev. 8:12
"so that a third of their light was darkened, a third of the day was kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night".
---more_excellent_way on 2/19/09

It is FEW who will actually tare themselves away from mankind's "Clan of the book" because they enjoy being puppets of the moneychangers. Human nature is that pride (vain ego/vanity) determines our lifestyle, and that we do not find the deeds/kingdoms of this world (war, corruption, haterd/resentment, cheating, etc.) repulsive...

Ecclesiastes 2:17
"...because what is done under the sun is grevious to me...".

As long as the moneychangers cheer us on, and we enjoy "status" from glorifying ourselves, the "few" will indeed be FEW. Jeremiah was the "weeping prophet" and "Jesus wept" also because so many are satisfied by mammon.
---more_excellent_way on 2/19/09

well you must read on thru verse 32.many accounts are the same ones written in revelation about the seals broken.the wonders in heaven,and earth,the sun being turned dark,and the moon blood red,before the terrible day of the lord,or judgement.and these verses actually end with the remnant being saved,these verses are about the 144,ooo in revelation called by God.
---tom2 on 2/18/09

According to Acts 2, Peter said that the descent of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost in 29 AD (or thereabouts) is the fulfillment of this prophecy. It's something that has already happened.

So, to answer your question, NO!

This also means we've been in the Last Days for the last 2000 years.
---katavasia on 2/18/09

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Yes. The Lord did tell us what He will do in "the last days" (Acts 2:17 also says that past and present generations will not want to accept sound doctrine and will instead continue "dreams" and "visions"/fantasies of grandeur/pride as "master scholars").

Some will argue that "the last days" started 2000 years ago, but if that were true, then the POURING had little effect on all of Christianity's beliefs (meaning that "Christianity" has remained a "moneychanger empire" overcome by the "strong delusion").
---more_excellent_way on 2/18/09

To me, one of the most amazing faults of the institutional teachings about "Jesus devotion" is the neglect of the water that flowed from Christ's side at the cross.

1 John 5:6
"He came by water and blood".

John 7:38
"He who believes in me,...'Out of his heart shall flow rivers of LIVING water." (INNER baptism of the spirit, NOT H2O, but "LIVING" water, Acts 1:5).

When/if I finally convince people of "LIVING" water baptism, they insist that we must also have H2O baptism because they dream of being a great "scholar" and envision themselves as a "know it all".

Ephesians 4:5

"one lord, one faith, ONE baptism".
---more_excellent_way on 2/18/09

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