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Is it wrong for a women to wear pants to church.

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Allan the Reenactor and Allan2777 are one in the same...
Someone asked who I was, so I started using C-net log in like others were doing so you could check out my profile and know who I am...
I'm a 4th generation Irish American, and am proud of my Celtic heritage.
My paternal Great-Grand father married an Native American woman(Cherokee. My maternal Grand Father married a Irish/German/Iroquois woman with family roots in Dublin.
My Paternal Great-Grand father came to America from County Wicklow Ireland during the famine of the 1800's.
I have been a church musician /worship leader for the past 14 years, and am now the Worship Ministry Leader at a fledgling new church. (just barely 2 years old).
---allan2777 on 6/1/09

Allan of UK i think their are at this timme two allans on the blog so my answerr was probably to allan the medieval reenactor then allan of UK the there is alsop a alln 2777 so all quite confusing. mainland gaelic are the celts that live(d)on the mainlaind.
the walen, welch in Belgium the bretons and the keltiberians like basks and the high north of spain, etc. are descendants from them. most however (exept the basks) have been romanised ansd speak french or another roman language.
---Andy on 6/1/09

1John3:20For if our heart condemn us,God is greater-and knoweth all things. 1John3:21 Beloved,if our heart condemn us not,then have we confidence toward God. 1John3:22And whatsoever we ask we receive of him because we keep his commandments and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. Colossians 2:14,20Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us which was contrary to us,and took it out of the way nailing it to the cross(including the OT ordinance women not wearing what pertaineth to man.Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world why as though living in the world are ye subject to ordinances,touch,taste,handle not Which are all to perish with using after the doctrine and commandments of men.
---Darlene_1 on 5/31/09

Let me correct a few of you. The part of the Bible that talks about the way a women should dress was written by a disciple that thought a woman should not dress like a harlot and not conform to this world. It was not a direct command from the Lord. I my self wear pants but they are not tight fitting or low cut. I do not wear short that let my bottom hang out I think it is more about modesty than pants or skirts. I do not allow my daughters to wear short skirts or anything with writing printed on the bottom because it draws the eye. I believe that I can have a close relationship with God and live a spirit filled life with my pants on
---Sara on 5/30/09

Just figured I'd toss this out there.
Oh my...
It seems that hoes and garters were originally male articles of clothing too.

Trews (Gaelic Truis or older Truibhs) are men's clothing for the legs and lower abdomen, a traditional form of Scottish apparel. Trews may be the origin of the word trousers.[citation needed]
They shared the fate of other items of Highland dress, including proscription under the Dress Act of 1746 that banned Highlanders from wearing the truis ("Trowse").
Traditional trews are actually long hose. These hose came all the way up to the waist and were attached to a linen cloth. They were fastened at the lower leg, below the knee, by a garter.
---allan2777 on 5/31/09

"Women's clothing is quite different from men these days"

But it is not, which is why women do wear pants!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/31/09

I agree with you 100% that women should not wear pants to the house of the Lord, especially when they are spirit filled and know the truth. We should also not wear pants out of respect, however, some leaders do allow women to wear pants.

Please note that wearing clothing that pertains to men is an abomination unto the Lord. Women's clothing is quite different from men these days, therefore, women would be benefitted to wear only feminine type clothing to differentiate the two sexes.

Clothing is not a condition of salvation. So please do not allow your church doctrine to keep people from coming to the Lord, remember it is called the house of prayer for all people, and do not stand in the way of sinners.

The Apostle
---Mary5776 on 5/30/09

Some preachers wear robes that resemble female dresses/skirts. So do priests etc..
I think pants are more comfortable and there are worse sins than wearing a piece of fabric to church.Women wearing tight skirts/dresses and low cut blouses to church is more disgusting than wearing pants. But if the pants are worn correctly they are ok, for church. I think
---Robyn on 5/30/09

A certain amount of confusion seems to be arising because some don't understand the differences between:


For example, if something originated in Scotland, it originated in Britain.

Andy, what do you mean by "Mainland Gaelic"?
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/30/09

Betty ... "From and after the date of August 1747, the clothes commonly called the Highland clothes...the plaid...the little kilt... were forbidden dress for any man or boy of Scotland"

Not quite accurate ... the dress was still allowed for the Scottish Highland regiments.

The law was changed a few years later.
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/30/09

Andy ... What makes you say I think the kilt is feminine? It most certainly is not.

The reason I mentioned the kilt was to show that real manly men wear a costume which an unknowledgeable observer might see as being similar to a female skirt. That does not mean wearing it is contrary to scripture.

The wearing by ladies of a bottom half garment with two tubes around the legs is no more unscriptural than the wearing by men of a garment that does not have tubes
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/30/09

Yes, the Bible tells women not to dress as men but in Jesus times everyone wore robes. Just as there was a distinction then there is one now. You can clearly tell the difference between mens pants and womens pants. If you're doing it to look like a man I'd say definitely it is wrong. Besides that has to do with your own personal conviction. When the Holy Spirit puts it on your heart, then turn away from it. Otherwise don't worry aout it. You don't see christian women going before God with their head coveres bu they are supposed to. Why isn't it done!
---lakry6367 on 5/30/09

That's right Betty.

I didn't say that the Brits were known for wearing kilts, only that what we have come to know as a kilt, was designed by them.
Sometimes, you will see British royalty donning a kilt.
Because the wee kilt was designed in the 18th century, the garment now called the Great Kilt, would not have been called that. It would have been called a plaid (pronounced played not plad)
I have a plaid that I wear on occasion over a linen leine. Since the association with color and pattern was not developed until the mid 1800's, mine has no clann connection. However, as a decendant of the "Son of Scotland" I can wear the "Burns Check". I carry a piece of it as a favor on my mid belt.
---Allan2777 on 5/29/09

I understand how a starch black pant suit is not feminine, But how is a nice pair of relaxed fit slacks and a beautiful blouse a not feminine?

And As I recal both men and women wore dresses back in the day.
The difference is that men were cut lower in the front.
Now, I don't agree with any woman trying to look like a man.
And lets not forget some dresses aren't appropriate either. I think a woman should dress feminine and conservative. Loose fit and comfy is what I prefer myself.
And I don't wear short shirts or any that show cleavage either, but still very feminine.
---miche3754 on 5/29/09

As long as pants are decent (not tight) there is nothing wrong with wearing them.It's the style now.Also some wear pants because their legs are ugly.My step daughter has huge scars on her knees where she had knee replacements and I have huge varicose veins so we both wear pants to cover up.
---shirley on 5/29/09

Sorry for mispelling your name. Yes, many times, actually, I have been addressed with the 'i' spelling. I was confused because of the new Allan.

You are correct to say 'not necessarily communism', because those who see the truth on the liberal side, say it is a fascist plot. They are both ultimately in cahoots. Just like the illuminati and the Jesuits. They can help each other. The ultra rich illuminati will consolidate money and power, and the non-conspirators will lose it all. The rest of us will be lucky if we survive, given that depopulation is a necessary part of their plans.
---frances008 on 5/29/09

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In the time of the Old Testament and at the time Christ walked the earth, men wore tunics and cloaks which would look today like a dress and women wore the same type of tunics and cloaks. The scripture is not referring to "dress style" but to a person taking on the mannerisms of the opposite gender.
---Jo_Ann on 5/29/09

If a woman is making a statement that she wants to violate the created order, then it's wrong. 1Corinthians 11:3-16. A woman shorn represents rebellion against both God and man. If a woman by dressing violates Deuteronomy 22:5, 1Timothy 2:9-10, 1Peter 3:3-4, or does Proverbs 6:25, 7:10, Isaiah 3:16, Matthew 14:6, Mark 6:22, she deserves to be rebuked. If a man were to wear an effeminate outfit to Church most people would be offended. Why aren't they startled at the women who dress in a manly manner.
If you ever get a chance to see enlace TBN, their Spanish language network, look at the 'Dominionist' programs with its domineering woman. Usually they wear a severe black pants suit suitable for a funeral.
p.s. Allan, boxer shorts.
---Glenn on 5/29/09

Sometimes people like to try to change history. Why do most people think kilts are of Scottish origin & not British origin? The English were not known for wearing kilts, Scots were. As a result of that war Scotland had with England, Parliament refused to allow Scottish Highlanders to wear their strange dress. From and after the date of August 1747, the clothes commonly called the Highland clothes...the plaid...the little kilt... were forbidden dress for any man or boy of Scotland.
---Betty on 5/29/09

Frances ... I am not going to argue with you about the governments gradually trying to take power over what we can do or not do. It's happening, but I don't think it is a specifically Communist thing.

But that is all worldly ... and nothing to do with the spiritual FreeWill that we have to say Yes or No the Jesus.

Incidently, you call me AllanofUk ... I don't mind the mispelling at all, it just shows how easy it is to mispell a name, and of course it happened to you once you were once addressed as Francis !!

And I wonder who AllanB is?
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/29/09

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The word Tartan, itself has caused much confusion. One camp says it comes from the Irish word - tarsna - crosswise and/or the Scottish Gaelic tarsuinn across.
The Gaelic word for Tartan has always been breachdan. The most accepted probability for the name comes from the French tiretaine which was a wool/linen mixture.
In the 1600s it referred to a kind of cloth rather than the pattern in which the cloth was woven.
The first "tartan" that identified a people group was the Black Watch.
They were Scots that were loyal to the British Crown and served as spies.
The term Black Watch originally referred to the people, but became synonomis with the weave that they wore to identify themselves to others of the Black Watch.
---allan on 5/29/09

Before the Romans, all of Brittiania was inhabited by the Celts.

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The history of the kilt stretches back to at least late 16th century Scotland. However, the nationalism of that tradition is relatively recent. It was only with the Romantic Revival of the early 19th century that the highland kilt was adopted by Lowlanders and the Scottish Diaspora as a symbol of national identity. People from other countries with Celtic connections, some Irish, Cornish, Welsh and Manx, have also adopted tartan kilts in recent times, although to a lesser degree.
According to the OED, the noun derives from a verb to kilt, originally meaning "to gird up, to tuck up round the body", itself of Scandinavian origin.
---Allan on 5/29/09

The Scots did with the Kilt much like Christians did with the cross...
It was imposed on them under the British Crown, because the Queen didn't like how unkept the Scots looked in their plaids.
They took it and made it part of their indentity just as Christians did the cross.
The Celts as a whole, weren't that interested in outward appearences, especially in battle. They were more known to drop their clothing on the ground, before running into battle battle screaming like banchees.
They were in it to win it... period, and didn't care how they looked doing it..
I think we Christians could learn alot about warfare from the Celts
---allan on 5/29/09

AllanofUk, the Communism that you talk about is not dead but is being revived as I speak. It was planned a long time ago that they would have Communism, use it for many purposes (all evil) and then 'get rid of it' but really it is a process of gradually becoming more Communist all over the world, without our noticing it. All we notice is that one evil disappeared. Imagine a graph that has a general trend towards a certain direction. The line might go up and down in spikes but the general trend is one way. The general trend is to Communism. With Communism, free will is appropriated by the government who control your thoughts via media etc. Christianity was banned in China, Russia etc. but this time they will 'disprove' Christianity.
---frances008 on 5/29/09

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Betty, the kilt did not originate in Britain? AlanB, im not an expert and only retell what i heard from other people who are only old scotshmen. (except that little book i read) but what i know that the plaid and kilt are 100 percent Scottish. it is the tartan(now im referring to the design) which is Celtic. you may find it in Ireland Wales Bretagne and other celtic regions. as well there are pieces of tartan-designed cloth found in the mainland from BEFORE the Roman occupation. brocae (pants)is also a Mainland Gaelic invention. and where made from tartan plaids.Alan you believe that kilts are feminin, yet you should also know that the quilt has two versions a lighter women (not sure if its called a quilt) and the heavy mens quilt
---Andy on 5/29/09

Part 1

The Biblical concept is that we aren't supposed to be cross gendered...
Let those things that are gender specific be gender specific...

In my opinion, a Breacan an Fhilidh is masculin whereas pleated kilt (Brittish Skirt) is more feminine.
However that is coming from a reenacters point of view.
It is interesting that the Bride of Christ,
is made up of both men and women is referred to in the feminine form...

Prior to Queen Elizabeth I, there were no garments known as kilts.
They were called either a brat or plaid.
They were simply a woolen blanket, that served multiple purposes.
---Allan on 5/28/09

Well, we have a lot of experts on the kilt!

I tought I knew all about them, but then Andy tells us something new, and then Allan come in with something else!

Now Betty says the kilt did not originate in Britain ... I expect it actually come across from Europe as the Celts were driven westwards by the next invading hoard. But Betty, do you have anything more specific? ... it would be interesting to know!

But Betty, you do have to understand that it is the tradition that Scotsmen regard the kilt as being adequate wear for the lower half! Maybe there are those that do not, but it is largely the tradition.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/28/09

While some churches and denominations may frown upon and encourage against this practice, the reality is, unless your comprehension is decreased according to your dress (less in pants, greater in dress/skirt for women) why should it matter. Jesus did not judge those that came to hear him teach.
---carla on 5/28/09

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Frances ... You have introduced the fact that worldly powers are trying to restrict what we are allowed to do and say.

Of course Communism was very successful in doing that, deciding what job anyone would have, where he would live and where he could travel.

And other governments of course find it inconvenient if the people can make up their own minds ... thus you get rigged elections.

But in my innocence, I thought that when we were talking about FreeWill, wse were talking about our ability to say "Yes" to Jesus. No earthly power can take that choice away from us.
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/27/09

allan- Kilts did not originate in Britain.
---Betty on 5/27/09


Short of certain types of speech (such as yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre, libel/slander, or threatening treason or murder or other crimes), people in western-style democracies are generally free to say whatever they please. Whether others will take them seriously, however, is a totally different matter, and a matter outside the scope of lawmakers.
---StrongAxe on 5/27/09

Part one

I am a medieval reenactor and have been studying Irish/Scot dress for a bout 5 years now. I make most of my own historically correct Gaelic clothing.

Just to clear up some misconseption on Scottish dress...
Kilts tecnically are not Scottish at all, they are British. Elizabeth I had them designed for her Highland gaurd.
The original garment worn by Irish and Scots was the plaid or brat (pronounced play'd and brought in Gaelic).
It served as a multi-purpose garment, cloak, coat, blanket... it could a single color or multiple colors not to exceed 7 colors which was only allowed for the Chieftain or Ui.
The plaid covered the Leine (lay-nah) or long shirt. (not a poet shirt)
---Allan on 5/26/09

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Part 2

Plaid is actually the old Gaelic word meaning blanket.
A plaid could be gathered around the body and belted in place to keep it closed, the top half of the plaid became like hoodie in bad weather.
After the invent of the modern Kilt, (Brittish skirt as we call them in the world of medeival reenactment)(the word kilt, literally means to gather together) the plaid became known as The Great Kilt or also known as the "breacan an fheilidh" or "feile mor".
I have just scratched the surface regarding the Scots and their attire.
The original Gaelic root word that Scotch came from, literally ment Irish-man or man from Ireland.
---Allan on 5/26/09

They are making laws about what we are allowed to say, even as the fashion is to call your child what you like. Seems there is some kind of doublt standard in play. Even while we are more and more constrained in our behaviour each day, Alan still argues that we have free will. Is it okay to say 'Dresses are clothes worn by women'?
---frances008 on 5/26/09

Frances ... Already, it is no longer PC to say 'What's your Christian name'

And we in the UK see only too well the attempt to water down individual cultural values.
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/26/09

Alan, what the NWO is trying to impose is a rejection of Christ. This is going on in every area and in every way. As I stated earlier, it will soon be no longer PC to say 'What's your Christian name'. The idea of the NWO is to destroy cultural identities. You may not know it, but television is a tool of the devil's to brainwash all people, especially Christians. This is why I keep on telling people to get to know the truth about the conspiracy, because if you know only half of it, or none at all, you will be playing straight into their hands, like obedient zombies.
---frances008 on 5/25/09

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Alan, well i think that taking all these strange names have to do rather with abandoning the Christian faith as a culture, before when one was given a name it was a Christian name, a saint or a biblical name MOST names given in Flanders are from Celtic or Norwegic (normanic origin. a few friends (not Christians gave names like Thor Odin, and Belena (nevertheless they all knew the meaning one uncle called his son Ishmael deliberely since a great part of the familie are proffessing Christians.
---Andy on 5/25/09

Hi Frances,

I think sometimes non-traditional names are chosen to shock, but I suspect usually it is to register individuality, and I don't think there is anything wrong in that. In fact it could be regarded as a healthy rebellion against the sameness that the state is trying to impose on us.

Not all traditional names mean anything, or are not recognised as meaning anything. My own is an example of this ... so what is the point of me having a name which may mean something, but no-one knows it?

What you say about the Japanese language shows the value of keeping cultural traditions, in this instance, against the increasing dominance and occasional sterility of the English language
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/24/09

Alan, going back to names (oh no). I think Indigo Moon is a pretty name, but I still think that it is fashionable to call children by cartoon characters, names of colours of cars, etc. etc. and wonder what sort of social engineering is going on, that people are all with herdlike mentality, doing the same thing - and I personally prefer the old-fashioned names because they do not draw great attention to oneself. Maybe I am old-fashioned. Maybe I am affected by living in Japan, where names are carefully chosen from traditional names and you also the Chinese characters. Two phonetically identical names can often be depicted with different meanings. One written name can sometimes be read in two different ways. Same with surnames.
---frances008 on 5/23/09

Well the tartan story i had out of a little book written by a Scottish proffesor about its origins. and there he said the Scotshmen's dress (book was written about 1950) is oft reffered to as quilt. Quilt, is however a wrong expression and the dress itself should be called a tartan as is the motif. i asked this to a friend of mine mr Davidson, a fullblooded Scot who fought as a paratrooper during WWII and he confirmed this (again maybe in modern English, since quilt is generally used for the dress instead of tartan, that could nowadays be different). actually this man told me, that quilt comes from old gaelic and reffered originally to the belt/purse worn in front of the tartan.
---Andy on 5/23/09

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Andy ... I was over hasty to correct you about "Scotch"


"Scotch" is an old fashioned term for "Scottish", seldom used now except when used as an adjective for particular things, such as Scotch whisky, Scotch broth, Scotch bonnet, scotch shortbread (I make this ...lovely!!) scotch (some say scotched) egg.

But not nowadays not often used by Scottish people to refer to themselves.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/21/09

Andy ... We are together in trying to counter Betty's excessive prudity, by telling the truth about the way Scots dress

But I am interested why you say that "tartan" is the correct name for the kilt.

Here, "tartan" refers to the pattern, or to material with a tartan pattern.

The kilt is the garment, made of tartan material, wrapped round the waist dropping to the knees.

The plaid is the garment of the same material which is thrown over the shoulder, and traditionally used as a blanket at night.

In Scotland, you would be out of favour if you referred to Scotchmen ... the noun is Scot, tha adjective Scots or Scottish, but not Scotch

But no doubt usage is different in different lands
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/21/09

Betty, so you don't like men in tartan's. good for you, nevertheless it is a verry masculin dress, and noyt a dress for the poor. some scotchmen need to save for years before they can purchase a tartan. PS Tartan is the correct way of naming the article
---Andy on 5/21/09

Betty ... Why the "if"?

There would be no point in offering leggings to a Scottish Highland soldier, since he would have been forbidden to wear them.

Jesus instruction to clothe the naked was about clothing those who had no clothes (just as feeding those who had no food) ... not about overclothing those who are quite adequately & happily kept warm and protected by traditional garb.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/19/09

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alan- If you really saw the sight you said you saw, it would be nice if you & some others in that area would help clothe the kilted Scot. Remember Jesus said Clothe the naked. Maybe they could wear some leggings under their kilts.
---Betty on 5/19/09

No idea, AlanofUk. Sorry for the confusion. Probably there was a mix up on my part. I am really concerned about you not getting it about the freemasons. Maybe it was subtle, slip-it-in-here-while-you-aren't-looking attack.
---frances008 on 5/19/09

Alan, my sources are the many account written upon the conquest of the Gaul (gallia) by jullius Ceasar, and other Roman sources. (bookss upon the subject by historians etc. so the time or era would be about 150-40BC.Celts where mainly peasants and did not have a regular army as the Romans had. so usually a war was fought by the farmers and a select group of wariors swordsmen and kings. (one village could have four or five like those) these customs seemed to have rather spiritual, and religious reasons then practical. (especially they where rather clans and tribes then real structured organised kingdoms). it is romantism of the 19th century who has made them to be a kind of supermen totally away from reality.
---Andy on 5/19/09

Frances ... I assume your latest to me is intended to be something to do with the subject of this blog, or about what I said in mine of 5/18 ... but I can't see the connection!

Our discussion about freemasonry is elsewhere!
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/19/09

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AlanofUK, as a member of a daughter church of the RCC, you are more blind than Catholics. Many sincere Catholics believe that freemasons are evil and if they knew what was going on at the top of the RCC would be appalled. They do not have time to study, and nobody has explained it to them. What are your excuses? Yet you deliberately cling to your ignorance, and may mislead others into eternal hellfires by saying it is okay to be a freemason. Until 1982 Catholics were not allowed to be freemasons (though many were). People could get protection from Freemasonry, and climb the ladder of success, something that was impossible for most Catholics who could never in good conscience join the Fs.
---frances008 on 5/18/09

Frances ... I have looked at the Indigo children page on the web.

My grandaughter is not named because of them!

Please tell me when I lied? I think you have withdrawn all your previous accusations of that
---alan8566of_uk on 5/18/09

AlanofUk, you might be interested in Indigo Children, the New Age Religion and the connection of the New Age Religion to the NWO. I don't think my post appeared in which I mentioned Christianity being undermined, gradually, eventually outlawed, is part of the general plan. Like the PC-ness of saying Happy Holidays not Happy Christmas. Like the adoption of non-Christian/non-Jewish names. It is so obvious to those who have studied the NWO. It is a reflection of general rejection of the past. I am interested in the way Alan goes around accusing others of accusing him, when he is the major accuser and also IMHO has a very short memory which appears as lying (but of course is not lying but a short memory.)
---frances008 on 5/18/09

Betty ... Accuse me as you like, but I am not a liar.

You say "Since you said you don't know for sure what they wear underneath, that you were told & didn't check"

Now you must remind me of when I said that!

The mirrors on sticks exist.

I have seen the netherparts of a Scot when he fell head over heels after slipping in the street. Not a pretty sight!!

God will not "book me for what I write around here", since it is true. He may book you though for calling me a liar.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/18/09

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People who want to rebel against tradition are the main ones finding fault with women wearing dresses/skirts to church and men not wearing jeans there. Dressy clothes for church is not an indication of saved or not saved. Respect for God is the issue.
---Betty on 5/18/09

NurseR ... Well all I have been trying to do is to suggest that both you and Frances have maybe misunderstood each other.

And I get it in the neck from both of you!
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/18/09

Would you tell a newcomer she couldn't wear pants in your church? Would you not then teach the truth of the bible as it is written for men and women to see for themselves without offensively fingering them out in the Holy temple of God. Should women wear pants out of church?
Holiness comes from God, when you have the likeness of Christ (Holy Spirit) in you then the sins of judging people and anger depart and you become convicted and willing to do that which is God's will, not yours!
Love is the greatest of all virtues, seek it in yourselves for all people in the name of Jesus Christ!
---Joe on 5/18/09

alan- Since you said you don't know for sure what they wear underneath, that you were told & didn't check, consider the possibility that someone told you one. As for the mirror on the stick, you sat in the corner in school all day didn't you? Not as a dunce but as a Bad One. You know that Christians shouldn't go around saying sexually insinuative things like that. There was no mirror on a stick. I have been out of town for 3 days, and I come back to this. Scotland, Scots and kilts being slandered by alan the Modest not. Well, some of my ancestors came from Scotland, too, and they knew how to be modest. I daresay when the Scottish clans gather at Grandfather Mountain in NC they wear everything good Scots would wear.
---Betty on 5/18/09

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andy- (5-15-09) Surely you are thinking of writing a fictional book about the Celts, and you thought you'd give a preview here. It looks too risque for Christians.
---Betty on 5/18/09

Frances- (5-14-09) Read alan his rights? Fine. How about this: Alan, you have the right to remain silent or to speak or write, but anything you speak or write can be held against you in Heaven by the Holy Ghost. God might book you for what you write around here (as in Bible).
---Betty on 5/18/09

I have chastised yuo for having a go at Frances when you asked what right she has to call the name odd.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/18/09

The point is, Alan, I never asked her what right she has to call the name odd, I simply asked who decides a name is odd?

I think we all need to sit down a take a deep breath...
---NurseRobert on 5/18/09

Nurse ... Me in cahoots with you?

I seem to have spent the last few posts on this blog agreeing with Frances that Indigo's name is unusual, and supporting her right to say it is odd. I've even told her I don't mind if she dislikes the name.

I have chastised yuo for having a go at Frances when you asked what right she has to call the name odd.

I don't see that as being in cahoots with yuo!

Frances ... I think there is a car colour called "Indigo" ... my own car is "Metropolitan Blue" I wonder if that could be used as a boys name?
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/18/09

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Frances ... I have to admit I tought you were referring to Iindigo's name when you said "I hear that all my relatives ...t hink that the name is terrible. But according to your philosophy, we must not admit it, we must all be insincere...teachers will have a laugh ... Laughing stock comes to mind"

And your first comment about "odd" certainly seemed to be aimed at Indigo Moon.

Now, perhaps you will go back and really read what we both have said, and you will see that I have not been attacking you, merely trying to explain why there may have been misunderstanding between you and another.

By the way "Moon" is after my wife, 'cos that's the name Linda called her by.
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/18/09

Nurse: I teach in a city school with students from all over the world, as well as all over the US. I have seen some fascinating names.

My daughter is expecting my second grandchild in a few months. It will be a boy. She is planning on naming him Lincoln, as his first name. I am fascinated by this. Our family also has the tradition of having the middle name of the child be from a previous generation in the family. It makes for some interesting combinations.

As for your orientation, who knows how that came up? I work with male nurses all the time at the psych hospital.
---Trish9863 on 5/17/09

But I do think that NurseR might have thought you were saying that such a name (being new) should not be given, & that would have meant that you were trying to censor names. I'm sure you weren't but it could havce been taken that way

---alan8566_of_UK on 5/17/09

Hey.. all I asked was "who determines what is odd?"

In my profession I have seen many "odd" or "unusual" names (including a lady named "Noname".

Alan, are we in cahoots? It seems we are being accused of that.
---NurseRobert on 5/17/09

What's with this new fashion of calling children odd names (pretty, but odd).
---frances008 on 5/14/09

Nowhere do I say that Indigo Moon is 'bad' - I am merely pointing out a fashion in England for inventing rather than choosing names. Indigo Moon is fine even if it does sound like a car colour. Woops! There I go again, saying things. I really must stop saying things. A nice car colour name though. Not like Phantom Mist.
---frances008 on 5/17/09

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You called it "odd" ... did I object to that? NO! Although I can't see that I actually said that the name was unusual, it is unusual & it surprised me! And "odd" virtually means the same as unusual, so I agree with yuo that it is odd.

Nowhere did I say it was odd. Although my words could be interpreted to mean that I was agreeing with you that you have to get used to it - which were your words.

Your silence after Nurse Robert's attack made me think you were behind the attack, or at least agreed with him.

Do the British police behave in this disgraceful way of misquoting people?
---frances008 on 5/17/09

Frances ...I never said that you should not express your opinion about anything, let alone the name of my grandchild.

You called it "odd" ... did I object to that? NO! Although I can't see that I actually said that the name was unusual, it is unusual & it surprised me! And "odd" virtually means the same as unusual, so I agree with yuo that it is odd.

If you don't like it, I don't mind and take no offence. Some names I don't like

But I do think that NurseR might have thought you were saying that such a name (being new) should not be given, & that would have meant that you were trying to censor names. I'm sure you weren't but it could havce been taken that way

---alan8566_of_UK on 5/17/09

Actually ... did I ever refer to Indigo Moon's name as being "unusual"?

I certainly don't think there is anything wrong in Frances regarding it as "odd", because that does, or can, mean that the name is unusual, and indeed it is.

But I don't go along with what seemed to be Frances' slight disapproval of all "odd" names, nor with her idea that unique names are encoiuraged by the NWO.

Mind you, I do find some names very odd ... such as the child that was named after the bus shelter in which she had been conceived (there being no way of naming him after the father, since his name was never known to the mother)
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/17/09

Alan, again as on the Obama Dictatorship Thread. The minute I point out that something is happening, they say that in pointing it out I am doing it myself. Someone has to be the 'evil' person who points out that what is going. If I stated some names are odd, it is through conversations with people in England, who all think in a way I happen to agree with. I hear that all my relatives including the grandparents of baby involved think that the name is terrible. But according to your philosophy, we must not admit it, we must all be insincere. Out goes truth in comes lies. Names are given, but teachers will have a laugh and raise eyebrows to Heaven as they imagine the type of parent a child in their class has. Laughing stock comes to mind.
---frances008 on 5/16/09

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Frances: You are clueless in your discussion of Alan and Indigo Moon. Indigo Moon is Alan's new granddaughter...he is the grandfather referring to his own granddaughter's name as unusual. He certainly does not need NurseR's permission to do that. Get on track with the facts.
---Trish9863 on 5/16/09

I am interested why Nursey let Alan say that Indigo Moon is 'unusual' as a name without questioning him on his right to say that. However I was faulted for saying 'odd but pretty' when talking of names in general. I suspect that the illuminati are thrilled at the idea of everyone being called a unique name. Like we will get a unique number. It is great for tracking information about people. I could mention my cousin's baby's first name, and instantly my identity could be figured out by many people. Only one of my cousins relatives lives in Japan and that would be me. ALSO Perhaps Nursey thinks everything we say should be written with IMHO as the caveat. Does Nursey mind my opinion that Indigo Moon is a pretty name?
---frances008 on 5/16/09

Frances .. I don't think NurseR was wanting to keep you quiet, nor was he criticising your voculabulary or grammar.

I think he was just saying that if certain rules are made (and in this context it would be to discourage the use of unusual or "odd" names) someone would have to judge which names were not fully acceptable.

And who would that be?

Nurse I think was just pointing to the problems that would cause.

And also, I suspect, he was pointing out that in your slight disapproval of the "odd" name, you yourself might have been a bit like the "thought police"
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/16/09

Nurse Robert, I asked you by what authority you are in charge of regulating my, or anyone else's vocabulary in answer to your question? But you did not understand the question. Maybe you've been dipping into the nurses medicine trolley, and cannot follow a logical discussion.

Of course you continue to 'thought police' and say that answering a question with another question is not allowed. Because you are in charge of what gets said. Which further proves that you are a wizard at mind control.
---frances008 on 5/16/09

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So we have to wonder why Nurse Robert harrasses me.... ---frances008 on 5/15/09

This further goes to prove my point. I asked you a simple question and you think its harassment. You can't stand it when someone stands up to you.
---NurseRobert on 5/15/09

Nurse Robert, who appointed you the Thought Policeman for this forum.? You have no authority over me.
---frances008 on 5/15/09

Frances, if you post in a public forum, you will get asked questions. That is the whole purpose of a public forum. Live with it.

You hate it when anyone stands up to you and questions you. Your stand that any one who does not agree with you must be a "NWO shill" or illuminati plant gets old after a while.

---NurseRobert on 5/15/09

It is not wrong for women to pants to church. It is wrong not to show respect in church either by action or by dress. There are some churches more concerned with fashion than with the teaching of Jesus Christ. Common sense should apply.
---Doneta on 5/15/09

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