Jesus Is Almighty God, Immanuel, but condemned sinners reject him. "Phillip says to Jesus, Lord show us the Father, and it satisfies us. Jesus says to him: Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Phillip? the person that has seen me has seen The Father, therefore how say you, Show us the Father? Believe me that I in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me because of the very miracle's sake. I and Father are one. He that sees me sees him that sent me." Jn.14:8,9,11+ 10:30+ 12:45.
---Eloy on 4/26/12|
I would respectfully disagree with the moderator's position. I have collected all the KJ Bible verses on the relationship between GOD and the Son. It is quite clear that the Father is superior to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Though Jesus is of the same essence as the Father, it is clear that the authority and power that Jesus has is due to the fact that the Father allowed it. It appears our Lord and Savior Jesus Chris depends on the our Father GOD for these attributes.
Questions to ponder...
#1- Who does Jesus call the true GOD?
#2- Who does Jesus call his God and ours?
#3- If we are brothers & sisters with Christ, who then are we all "sons" of?
---The_Conservative_Monotheist on 4/23/12|
I once heard a joke:
Q. What do you get when you cross a Unitarian with a Jehovah's Witness?
A. Someone who goes about knocking on doors for no particular reason.
---jerry6593 on 10/25/09|
I've been doing a little looking into Biblical Unitarianism.
What I see is that they 1.) don't believe that Jesus is God 2.)don't believe that those who don't receive Christ will go to an eternal hell, but rather be completely dead and non-existant 3.)believe that to be saved you must work through your sins as Jesus reveals them to you and to be saved you must live a holy life.
The problems I see is by not believing that Jesus is God, they are not following the true gospel. As Jesus said in John 8:24 "I told you that you would die in your sins, if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins." There's a big problem if you don't believe that Jesus is God as He clearly said He was.
---Aaron on 10/24/09|
Well like or not, we allready made an Excuzutarian doctrine out of it and ask you as our main prophet for spiritual guidance LOLLOL
---Andy on 5/27/09|
"Exzucuh Reserves all rights to this revelation
And it may not be turned into a Doctrine or a new Religion
Why not? We could call it Exzucuharianism"
---alan8566of_uk on 5/26/09|
The Unitarian church here in town has been in the newspaper several times.
I think overall they are more like the Freemasons since they teach that there are many paths to God.
They did have some people in the newspaper article in that church who claimed to be on the "Christian path". They claimed to believe in Jesus as saviour, but I don't see how they could "fellowship" with others who are not Christian.
One husband wife couple where Episcopals who joined the Unitarians because they were more "tolerant".
---obewan on 5/26/09|
I think Tarians came from outer Space and they are the ones that these Scientologist are looking to come save them. Their Tarian seed was planted here eons ago and it has Matured into all these Tarian religions, Trinitarian,
antiparliamentarian, the list goes on an on
When every group has become Tarian and the world is taken over by them, The Mother Ship
Will return to save all humanitarians.
Exzucuh Reserves all rights to this revelation
And it may not be turned into a Doctrine or a new Religion. But will sell the rights for a movie. LOL
---exzucuh on 5/26/09|
Allan, maybe the U-knitarian sewinggroup wasthe only true christian activity. Fact is, that these Unitarian sects are nothing but a continual attempt of tyhe devil to form a NEW WORLD ORDER. for which he needs a religion of all religions.
---Andy on 5/26/09|
In London yesterday, I passed by a Unitarian Church Clearly it was one of the Universalist lot, for they advertised inter alia:
I suppose I have to admit there were one or two things that could have related to Christianity.
How can they call that a "Church"?
I was amused to see they had a U-Knitarian sewing group!!
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/25/09|
There is a Unitarian Universalist Congregation house of worship in my town. All I know is every time I was invited or tried to go to a service there for something, either a service or speaker, I wasn't able, either my car would break down or that person forgot to be there or something was postponed. I took it as a sign.
They encourage many faiths to come together. I dont know if it has anythign to do with denying the trinity or what but they dont just say that christianity is the only religion or if you are not a muslim you are an infidel or what not. some of their beliefs are confusing but you can believe or you can look elsewhere I suppose.
I choose to stay where I'm at and I'm happy there.
---Nic on 4/12/09|
Andy ... I am pretty sure your "apostolic pentecostal church" regards itself as one of the trinitarian churches.
The "apostolic pentecostal church" calls itself that, no doubt becuusae they regard that as being their distinguishing feature among the various denominations.
So I suppose the Unitarian Church (that is the Christian, or Bblicl one) calls itself that because they feel it is their distinguishing feature. And it is a very significant difference, (much greater even than that between Catholic and Protestant or Pentecostal) so it is one they would emphasise
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/11/09|
What i mean is, that if i would start a church, i would not call it "the saints of the endtimes" due to the confusion it could cause with others, who would be able to mistake me for a mormonic organisation. however i did not know that there was another blog on this subject, yesterday i discovered it so opening it someone said they are from the apostolic pentecostal church. neverthemless an apostolic pentecostal church here in africa only implies that one believes in the continual working of the fivefold.has nothing to do with trinity or nontrinity.
---Andy on 4/11/09|
Andy ... How does their title "Unitarian" label them as unChristian?
The problem is that the word has two possibles meaning ...
Firstly ... Unitarian as opposed to Trinitarian ... both Christian, and both following the Bible but with different understanding of certain aspects of it.
Second, those who say there's only one god, could be the one the Christians worship, or the one the animists or thge wiccans worship ... doesn't matter, & n it doesn,t really matter which moral codes you follow ... behave as your inner self tells you
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/10/09|
So why do these biblical Unitarians want top go by a name that lablels them unhristian?
---Andy on 4/10/09|
Andy ... No you've not got it quite right.
The Biblical Unitarians are Chritian except they do not acept the Trinity (and to be fair to them, they find much in the Bible which they interpret as supporting their view)
The Universalists make no claim to Christianity ... they allow all sorts of faith ...
"Unitarian Universalism is a caring, open-minded religion that encourages you to seek your own spiritual path" There is more ... look at their website.
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/7/09|
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so to conclude, there is one form that finds it difficult that one God can be three persons, whilst majority who goes by that name are more an attempt to oecumise the church? so moderator was not that far from the truth to begin with?
---Andy on 4/7/09|
Andy ... As far as I can detect, there is only one form of Biblical Unitarianism, and it is not far removed from Trinitarian Christianity.
There is the danger that in condemning Unitarianism in general, yuo may lead people to confuse the Biblical U's with the others, which have nothing in common with Christianity, except that there may be a God, but it doesn't really matter f yuo do or don't, as long as you have some sort of "spirituality"
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/6/09|
Alan, with that i agree, biblical unitarianism is a religious doctrine, and indeed i did google about. yet my question is are there forms we may accept as good but different and other forms we need to reject as dangerous and sectarian
---Andy on 4/6/09|
Andy ... I gave a brief synopsis of the similarities and deifferences between Trinitarian Christianity (although we know there are violent disagreements within that grouping!! as can be seen on these blogs)and Biblical Unitarianianism.
The JWs are a completely different kettle of fish again!
May I suggest you look at what the Biblical Unitarians say for themselves? Their website is easy to find.
My point was that Biblical Unitarians are not secualr humanists, as suggested by the Moderator
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/1/09|
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So to speak, is the Yehowah wittness a unitarian church? since they
a. accept tehe work of Jesus
b. reject completaly any idea of trinity.
to them God is God, Jesus is an angel, Holy Spirit is energie or power of God.
and what about the idea that Father Son and Holy spirit is three expressions of ONE god at different times, give your remarks plese.
---Andy on 4/1/09|
The google classification has moved on since I last looked!
You need to google twice:
Unitarian will bring up the creedless religion which can't be said to be Christian.
Biblical Unitarian will bring you to the group who basically believe that Jesus rescued us, and is now Mediator. But they believe that only The Father is God, and Jesus is His Son, but not divine. A sort of non-Trinitarian Christianity.
They are closer to standard Christianity than you might forst think, and far removed from the other lot.
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/31/09|
Alan is right. There are a lot of unitarians (not capitalized) who believe exactly as trinitarians do about the work of Christ. They simply have problems with the Trinity as defined by the early ecumenical councils. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 3/31/09|
** Hi, is that the same thing as a Unity Church? Probably dumb question but I'm not sure--thanks**
No, it's not.
The full name is Unity School of Christianity, where they study everything but.
Myrtle and Charles Filmore, the founders, had passed through Christian Science. It was called "New Thought" at the time, today it's called "New Age."
---katavasia on 3/31/09|
Hi, is that the same thing as a Unity Church? Probably dumb question but I'm not sure--thanks
---Mary on 3/30/09|
The Unitarian Church and Universalist Church merged some decades ago.
If you really want to know THEIR ideas (not someone else's) of their beliefs, you should probably go to their web site, if they have one.
FWIW, they have repeatedly been denied membership in the NCCC and, I think, WCC.
---katavasia on 3/30/09|
If you google Unitarian, you will find there are two kinds
One ... Unitarian Universalists seem to think that whatever yuo beleive is OK . and that is quite like the secular humanism that Moderator speaks of.
But Biblical Unitarians could best be described as non-Trinitarian Christians. They beleive in what Christ did for us. They are not at all like Mod's description.
---alan8566_of_UK on 3/30/09|
Moderator is correct. It's like secular humanism.
I went to a Unitarian church for a funeral once and I felt so coldness in there, The Holy Spirit wasn't there at all. It was just a building where people gathered.
Their beliefs are humanism's beliefs. I even believe, and Moderator, correct me if I'm wrong, is it close to New Age beliefs?
---donna8365 on 3/30/09|