"Are seeker friendly churches Biblical" - form the perspective of the 'falling away' mentioned in scripture , they are. However, they are not the church of true believers, though true believers , for better or for worse, may be attending them. I've decided I don't want to be a part of this anymore - so now I attend a home fellowship of like minded christians. Should the Lord lead me to a regular church thay lifts up him and his word I'll gladly attend - but till then, I want to be on the straight and narrow path.
---Eric on 6/20/09|
To answer the questions, you have to first define what a seeker is. Seeker implies the person needs to be evangelized. That means the focus of the Saturday or Sunday meeting needs to provide a simple gospel message that is understandable to the layman.
As far as discipleship goes, that is for people who are ALREADY saved. And all the "seeker friendly" churches I am aware of do a good job of discipling. They just do not do it from the main pulpit meeting. They do it in small groups that meet in homes for intense Bible study.
I go to a mega church. Last year, there were over 600 people saved, and 350 baptisms. There are over 400 small group Bible studies that meet weekly. Yes, it is an effective approach to ministry.
---obewan on 5/20/09|
One deception is definately that of the meaning of 'church'.
One thing people get wrong, is that they think of a church as a building!
Let me tell you, God's not looking for buildings, He is looking for people!
A church is supposed to be the people and NOT the building.
---Leigh_Kennedy on 5/19/09|
I am from Planetshakers City Church in Melbourne, Australia.
It is true what is said about big 'churches',
However, it doesn't have to be big or small to be 'seeker-friendly'!
It can be any size.
I know Planetshakers is not 'seeker-friendly' as the speakers speak the whole truth (for example: Ps Russel Evans states in one of his messages "This is offending some people here, but you need to hear it anyway!")
---Leigh_Kennedy on 5/12/09|
Donna66: "But for a season, a big church may be better than no church at all."
On the contrary, a big church would be detrimental to the spiritual growth and maturity of a person. First, your big "churches" (large denominational "churches" each having their own traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible) are a product of Satan who is the father of confusion. The first confusion of a newly born christian would be to decide which (denominational) church to belong to. The word "church" is defined a lot differently today than defined in the bible.
Jesus is NOT returning to join with (marry) a building, a non-profit organization, or a denomination - but people.
---Steveng on 4/11/09|
If churches were perfect, I'd agree with you about huge churces. I understand that small groups are Biblical and preferable. But for a season, a big church may be better than no church at all.
---Donna66 on 4/10/09|
Donna66: "The anonimity of a huge congregation may be a "safe" place to hear God's word, be healed and be taught by the Lord."
God wants a very personal and intimate relationship with his people. He wants the same type of relationship among his people. If everyone keeps secrets, where is the growth, where is the maturing in Christ? Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag."
Praying you and yours peace of mind, joy of spirit, good health, and many great friends to shar them with in Jesus' name.
---Steveng on 4/10/09|
People are individuals. And their needs change. There are times when being part of a group of 3,000 is very good...provided what is taught is Biblical.
People often get hurt in small groups. They may withdraw from a church where they have been embarrassed or criticized. The anonimity of a huge congregation may be a "safe" place to hear God's word, be healed and be taught by the Lord. Hopefully, all believers will become part of a small group in which they can both receive and give ministry. But sometimes, I think, people may need a "rest" from the intensity of small groups.
---Donna66 on 4/9/09|
TIMOTHY: "It doesn't matter if you worship with 3 or 3000, the point is your spiritual growth is up to you and God."
Ahh, but it DOES matter. Having a small group of four or five meeting daily will have you growing in Christ, maturing in Christ maore than in a congregation of 3,000. Being truly intimate and accountable is better in a small group.
TIMOTHY: "And don't worry about your neighbor, he might be growing just fine in the same place that you failed to progress."
And then again he might not. Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag." Do you find this in a large congregation? Read my previous posts.
---Steveng on 4/8/09|
Your spiritual growth is your responsibility under the direction of the Holy Spirit and not that of a congregation or small group. It doesn't matter if you worship with 3 or 3000, the point is your spiritual growth is up to you and God. Worship how you wish and where you wish but stop blaming congregations, be they mega or minor, for your lack of growth. If you are not growing within your present arrangement then leave whether it is a living room or a sanctuary. And don't worry about your neighbor, he might be growing just fine in the same place that you failed to progress.
---TIMOTHY on 4/7/09|
Exactly what is a seeker friendly church? I wonder if they don't have many variations just like Baptist and Pentecostal churches vary greatly.
---john on 4/6/09|
All denominational "churches," each having their own traditions, way of living, and interpretations of the bible, are a product of Satan who is the father of confusion. Christians bicker about whose denomination is better. They also bicker within the same denomination about whose church is better saying, "We have a better pastor." or "We have better entertainment," or "Our church is more lively." Newly born christians are confused about which church is the true church (all denominations claim to be the "true" church).
The bible's definition of "church" is people. Christ is returning to join with (marry) people - not a denomination, a non-profit corporation, or a building.
---Steveng on 4/6/09|
Christ is returning to join with (marry) people - not a denomination, a non-profit corporation, or a building.
Start your own "home church" by bringing together a couple of bible believing friends on a daily basis. Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag," for living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle - not a once a week pep talk that denominational "churches" dish out. It is written that where ever two or more are gathered in Jesus' name, he will be there. That includes a park, on a streetcorner, in your home, or at your favorite cafe.
Also do an online search for the benefits of "home churches."
---Steveng on 4/6/09|
I agree with Mima. Churches are to be kind, but not "seeker friendly." This seems to imply that the churches are trying to be 'man-pleasers' instead of 'God-pleasers'.
A church's main priority should be to preach the full truths of God's word so people can become truly saved children of God. If people don't like the full truth hearing about heaven and hell both, and if people don't like the full truth hearing about God's kindness and wrath both, then they are free to goto a weak man-pleasing church. However, most will suffer the consequences come Judgment Day.
Please try and get edified through a ministry that helps you grow Spiritually by teaching the full truth of God's word and refuses to 'sugar-coat' the gospel.
---Anne on 4/6/09|
I suppose there might be a variety of ways to define a 'seeker-friendly' church. Something I have noticed about some churches categorized as such is, as the blog question indicates, an emphasis on the 'feel good' type of message. While there is nothing wrong with that kind of message in and of itself, there must be a sort of balance in what is being presented to a congregation. In other words, the 'bad news' must be presented along with the 'good news', otherwise the gospel message is never completely grasped and appreciated.
---Bobby3 on 4/6/09|
From previous blogs on this issue, I think "seeker friendly" does not refer to the fact that we make our surroundings more comfortable, and make it easer for new folk (enquieres) to hang around and chat, but to the dilution of the message, so that it does not challenge them
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/6/09|
"If we get rid of pews in favour of more comfortable seating, have coffee brewing and allow people to take their coffee with them into the meeting, get rid of dress codes, use projected songs instead of the hymnal etc., is that seeker friendly? None of these things affect the message." bruce5656 on 4/6/09
This description sounded like the early church where they met in homes except for the "projected songs" part. Pews are an invention of man. Do you think there were pews when Jesus walked the earth? They sang songs, but they were not the hymns that are in the hymnal. The main point of "seeker friendly" is to avoid using any of the gifts of the spirit so that non-Christians won't get offended.
---SusieB on 4/6/09|
The seeker sensitive movement: an egocentric evangelism, of ones self - what do I need, or desire, in order to make myself happy.
Many of their groups interview unbelievers as to what they want in a service (in order to be comfortable). Surprisingly, the infidels like to dance, sit in comfortable seats, view a big screen, and a cafeteria, but don't want to hear of Christ on the cross, the blood, or of salvation, and in what manner to grow in him.
Bill Hybels, Rick Warren, Joel Osteen who has trouble saying if unbelievers go to Hell.
Revelations 3:21. -Glenn
Jeremiah 2:12, 13, Matthew 7:15, 15:14, Romans 12:16, 2Timothy 4:3, 4, 2John 1:9-11, Revelations 3:16 / 1Timothy 6:3, 4
---Glenn on 4/6/09|
The meaning of seeker friendly churches is highly distorted. The wording is good, and perhaps the meaning is good but the results leave much to be desired. In fact I consider these churches 99% "itching ears "churches.
---mima on 4/6/09|
.We never used to be seeker friendly but over the last 8 years we have become more so. We are helping and discipling more people now than ever before. Salvations and baptisms have more than doubled. There is no comparison.
---john on 4/6/09|
Define "seeker friendly".
If we get rid of pews in favour of more comfortable seating, have coffee brewing and allow people to take their coffee with them into the meeting, get rid of dress codes, use projected songs instead of the hymnal etc., is that seeker friendly? None of these things affect the message.
---bruce5656 on 4/6/09|
The opposite of a seeker friendly church would be a seeker unfriendly church so I guess by definition we are all seeker friendly to a certain degree. However to answer your question, no, we discovered little measurable growth in our "mega church" experiences. We eventually left for a more Biblical environment.
---TIMOTHY on 4/6/09|